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Nigel Farage faces down ‘Establishment’ plot

15 April 2014

12:49 PM

15 April 2014

12:49 PM

This morning’s edition of The Times reported (£) that Nigel Farage could face a probe into claims, apparently lodged by a former UKIP official, that nearly £60,000 of ‘missing’ European Union funds have been paid into his personal bank account. Mr Farage denies the allegations in strong terms and has invited EU officials to examine his expenses.

This is not the first time that UKIP has faced allegations about fiddled expenses. Yet none of the mud has stuck. There are two reasons for this: nothing has been proved and few people appear to understand how the European parliamentary expenses system works (there is, for example, a less than clear distinction between expenses and allowances). One could hear a fine example of the latter on the Today programme this morning, when Nigel Farage corrected Justin Webb’s line of questioning:

‘We do not claim expenses for running offices or any other activity that takes place within our member state the United Kingdom. We get an allowance, a fixed rate allowance and we can spend it how we see fit. It is £3,580 a month and that is given to MEPs and we can spend it how we want to – we don’t have to prove receipts for it or anything like that…I said from the beginning that I would use the money… from the European Union to fight against Britain’s membership of the European Union and to do so with the rule of the Parliament.’

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Webb protested; but Farage simply sailed on while railing against the iniquitous ‘Establishment’ (whatever that might be) and its newspaper of choice, The Times.

(Incidentally, Guido reports that the UKIP official who apparently made the allegation is now saying that he was misquoted by The Times, which has led UKIP to alter its line of defence to: ‘sloppy’ journalism.)

Farage’s argument that UKIP is working towards the abolition of EU expenses through the withdrawal of Britain’s membership of the EU depends on the probity and commitment of his members – and a lot of UKIP MEPs seem to tire of the strenuous work required. As Sean Kippin and Richard Berry revealed here earlier, 8 UKIP MEPs have jumped ship since 2004, which accounts for 62% of the total number of British MEPs to defect over the period. This fact does not scream of seriousness and purpose, and voters might well ask whether their vote and money is well spent on UKIP.

The greatest danger to UKIP is not ‘the Establishment’; it’s the disproportionate number of jokers in the pack.

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  • johnrwalsh

    Well, it doesn’t surprise me that all the mainstream parties
    who have been fiddling tax payers money and parliamentary expenses for decades
    would use that little nugget to smear a tiny party like UKIP

    It appears they don’t like the competition or that
    fact that a growing number of people are in the country are beginning to take
    them seriously , personally after listening to the diatribe and patronizing
    speeches of Nick Clegg and the confusing and non-committal ranting of David
    Cameron , I don’t blame them .

    Anyway apart from a few fools who waste most of their time
    on comments on this forum who are biased to say the least, as they are all to a
    man times readers , real people who have real jobs and don’t read this semi post-modern
    left wing rag, seem to like them (UKIP), also most of them are not far
    right footie hooligans and members of the EDL, but lower middle to middle class
    , you know the types self-employed small businessmen and women who mow
    their lawns twice a week in the summer and actually care about their country
    and not some federal non-elected nanny state ruled by a man named Rompuy and a
    side kick named Barroeso, or is it Barbarossa, I don’t know , I just know I didn’t
    vote for him !

    DID you????

  • lojolondon

    Justin Webb dishonestly interviewed Nigel on R4 without disclosing that he is employed by the Times – pretty low, but what do we expect from a member of the inner Westminster / MSM club?

  • Two Bob

    TheTimes have bitten off more than they can chew. They will come to regret this in a months time. I can’t ever remember a front page story falling apart this quickly. Conservative HQ and the Tory press must have been utterly desperate to have pushed this threadbare non-story! Two things this will do 1) it will harden the hate towards the tories felt by ex Tory voters (like myself) and completely deny the Tories ever getting into government again 2) If Ukip promote up north the fact that the ‘posh Tory establishment’ hate them and use this as the prime example, they will win over lots of support from wavering Labour voters who think the Tory franchise is toxic. It is potentially a win win scenario.

  • Jabez Foodbotham

    If the EU has anything to do with this investigation of how an MEP spends his expense and allowance dosh, Farage must have committed some unspeakable offence. Maybe he goosed Barroso in the corridors of power.

  • Tom

    This is getting embarrassing for the Times newspaper, it used to be a quality paper now it is reduced to trying to blacked UKIP’s name by a bunch of privately educated Tory boys.

    The smear attempt last month was yesterday thrown out by a European Parliament bureau meeting that found there was no matter requiring further investigation following Mr McMillan-Scott’s complaint.

    The Tory’s are really bricking it with UKIP’s surge in the polls and their guaranteed humiliation in the european elections.
    Keep the smear’s coming its working a treat.

  • Smithersjones2013

    The greatest danger to UKIP is not ‘the Establishment’; it’s the disproportionate number of jokers in the pack.

    Oh dear more of Blackburn’s myopic anti UKIP bigotry. In case he hasn’t heard. UKIP are a party whose membership is rising and whose vote share is rising unlike the broken dysfunctional divided sleazy (e.g.Flipper Miller) Tories

  • bwims

    Another pathetic smear from another LibLabCon rag. How many defections did the other parties have when they were just getting started?

    It simply isn’t going to work. We are sick and fed up with the lies, filth and corruption at the taxpayers’ expense. We have laws guaranteeing minorities a fair representative percentage in public bodies, but non to prevent OVER representation.

    At 1-2% of the population, there should be no more than a dozen homosexuals in Parliament but from what you read in the papers, the HoC appears to be little more than a homosexual glory hole.

    Perhaps if Parliament returned to its primary duty of creating legislation and repealing old legislation, instead of leaving it to Brussels, we might wind up with MPs who come from real jobs not a bunch of graduates from the LSE.

    UKIP is the ONLY answer.

    • Hello

      Ukip is not an answer at all. It’s barely a theory, and not even a very good one.

      • bwims

        I prefer to come to my own conclusions, not listen to dribbling fools like you.

        • Hello

          Boohoo.

  • Your Correspondent

    This is pretty desperate stuff. Having comprehensively failed to make any convincing case for Britain to remain in the EU the Europhile media outlets are now reduced to digging dirt on UKIP: pathetic! The entire funding of the EU from major expenditure to the payment of allowances to MEPs is opaque, corrupt, indefensible and most certainly not open to public scrutiny. That was how it was designed be. Two things politics on the continent has always been famous for: industrial levels of corruption and an absence of democracy.

  • dado_trunking

    I welcome Ukip highlighting this expenses conundrum. Why would you want a well-respected and internationally unrivalled organisation to fund clowns and jokers. This has gone too far for far too long – cut the allowances on the double!

    • bwims

      dolt

      • dado_trunking

        You are Tim Congdon and I claim my €10.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          …yes, you socialist nutters do like to claim others’ money, don’t you?

    • saffrin

      ‘Why would you want a well-respected and internationally unrivalled organisation to fund clowns and jokers’?

      http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/04/15/Eu-OLAF-investigations-are-a-joke

      Vote UKIP and you won’t have to.

    • Conway

      [A] well-respected and internationally unrivalled organisation“? You surely can’t mean the EU!

  • foxoles

    Well, the European Parliament itself threw out the *last* Times complaint about UKIP’s allowances:

    ‘Yesterday that complaint was thrown out by a European Parliament bureau meeting that found there was no matter requiring further investigation…’

    http://order-order.com/2014/04/15/previous-times-ukip-allowances-report-dismissed/#comments

    It’s Groundhog Day at the ‘Thunderer’… perhaps not so much thunder as a little pipsqueak, these days.

  • Denis_Cooper

    http://order-order.com/2014/04/15/previous-times-ukip-allowances-report-dismissed/

    “Could today’s effort by The Times to get UKIP have anything to with the complaint made last month by the Lib Dem MEP Edward McMillan-Scott about UKIP’s use of allowances based on a series of reports by Times journalists Rachel Sylvester and Alice Thomson? Yesterday that complaint was thrown out by a European Parliament bureau meeting that found there was no matter requiring further investigation…”

    Incidentally, that is the Lib Dem MEP Edward McMillan-Scott who spent 26 years masquerading as the Tory MEP Edward McMillan-Scott, until he thought the time was ripe to show his true colours and defect:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_McMillan-Scott

    I wonder how much he has taken in salary and expenses over his 30 years as an MEP, after being elected on false pretences no fewer than six times?

    Maybe the Spectator could investigate that for us, at the same time that they investigate how much Daniel Hannan has taken in salary and expenses since he was first elected in 1999?

    No, thought not.

  • sarahsmith232

    The Establishment has been in power now for 17long yrs. There was a brief Christian puritanical respite between ’07 and ’10 but now normal, North London, out of touch and absolutely clueless, ‘progressive’ Liberal New World Order, insular, ignorant and self-reproducing, government service has resumed.
    I wrote something a bit back about angry white males railing against the ‘progressive’ liberal establishment, then thought, hmm, come to think of it I think I’ve just summed up the Ukip vote. Quite right too, if I was an older white male i’d certainly be pulling my hair out about it all as well. I certainly am going to be voting Ukip for the Euro elections. Good on older and angry white males.

    • Conway

      I think there are not-so-old, but angry, females of all shades as well.

      • sarahsmith232

        Absolutely agree. We can all only understand the whole Ukip revolt ’cause of how popular they are with people we’re around, so limited, then listening to the people popping to explain it all via the media. All of which are A) absolutely, laughably clueless. B) only interest is in smearing rather than explaining.
        So we can all only take a stab at understanding it all. If the 2 academics that are currently taking up as Ukip’s most enthusiastic, pathetically transparent class snob, smearers in chief – Goodwin and the other one, are anything at all to go by (not much but maybe a bit) it is mainly older white males. But then i’m not an older white male and i’m going to be only too happy to be sticking my cross into the Ukip box come May the 22nd. So all prob’ claptrap just the like the rest of their so called ‘research’.

  • swatnan

    Sweaty Nige will be under extreme pressure leading up to the Euros.
    Hope he’s got his loser’s speech ready as most voters see through him.

    • gerontius

      “Sweaty Nige will be under extreme pressure leading up to the Euros.
      Hope he’s got his loser’s speech ready as most voters see through him.”

      This is such an obvious smear that I doubt that it will put Nige under any pressure. Still, if it makes you feel better then good for you.

      I can only speak for myself, obviously, but even if every word of these allegations were true, It wouldn’t change the way i intend to vote. Why? Because I would vote for the very devil himself if he stood against our present establishment.
      Do you not get it Swatnan? Hookey certainly doesn’t,neither does Telemachus.

      • swatnan

        … and what if ‘the Devil’ were the Establishment’ itself?
        because that’s the way I see Nigel, ex public school, ex banker, and ex city slicker. You can’t get stronger credentials than that. And soon to be ex MEP.

        • AnotherDave

          He was a commodities trader, not a banker.

          • HookesLaw

            Thats better?
            Being a barrow boy is better than being a banker?
            Presumably Farage’s experience enabled him to set up a tax avoiding fund in tax haven Isle of Man .

        • gerontius

          “And soon to be ex MEP.”

          We can continue this discussion after the election can’t we?
          Don’t worry that you might forget what you have said, I’ll remind you.

        • Conway

          And soon to be ex MEP.” Do I take it that you think he will become a Westminster MP, then?

          • swatnan

            It would be an excellent finale to 2015 if Nige took the seat off Bercow, and then rallied all exTory UKIP leaning MPs to his fold, and made Nadine his deputy and formed a rump of 25 UKIPPERS on the Opposition Benches becomking the 3rd largest Party ahead of the Lib Dems.

        • Cyril Sneer

          Didn’t he give up his job to go into politics?

          Scameron, the Millipeed and the very soon to be extinct Clogg would have had to get a job first before they can leave it to go into politics.

          What’s wrong with being educated in a Public School?

          What’s wrong with working in the city?

          Or is it actual work that you have an issue with? You must be a labourite.

          • HookesLaw

            he has a job – he put himself top of the candidate list in UKIP – hiw own personal party. thats his jonb and with wages ans expenses he is on a nice little earner. A bit like Salmond.

            The problem witbn Farage is he does nothing for his money – he certainly does not represent his country’s or constitiuent’s interests in the EU parliament. A vote for him is a vote wasted.

            • the viceroy’s gin

              …and you Camerluvvies know a great deal about a “vote wasted”, eh lad?

    • AnotherDave

      ???

      If you think Mr Farage is going to fail to win re-election as an MEP, you’ve not been paying attention.

      In the 2009 EU Parliament elections UKIP got 16.6% of the vote.

      Their lowest EU Parliament prediction poll this year is 20%.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(United_Kingdom)#2014

  • Hello

    “Yet none of the mud has stuck. There are two reasons for this: nothing has been proved and few people appear to understand how the European parliamentary expenses system works”

    I think the reason why the mud hasn’t stuck, and won’t, is that the EU does not have powers of taxation. Even if Farage is fiddling the EU, it’s not clear that he’s fiddling British taxpayers. It’s all indirect.

    • Conway

      The EU has no money, so any money is tax-payers’ money. As we are one of a handful of net contributors, chances are it will be UK money. Having said that, since they are allowances, given to all MEPs, and Nigel is helping to get us out of the EU, I am very willing to let him have my share of the tribute. It will be about the only useful thing the EU has done with my money.

  • ScaryBiscuits

    The greatest danger to UKIP is not ‘the Establishment’; it’s the disproportionate number of jokers in the pack. What’s your evidence of that?

    Maria Miller is found guilty of both misreprenting her expenses and not co-operating with the enquiry. She’s backed up by the expenses committee, headed by somebody else guilty of over-claiming, and the prime minister, also previously guilty of over-claiming.

    So tell us again, Blackburn, what’s your evidence that this ‘disproportionately’ affects ukip, a made up quote in The Times?

    • the viceroy’s gin

      Yes, particularly since so many Camerloons appear to be running just one step ahead of the prosecutor, Miller and the accused rapist just recently.

      • ScaryBiscuits

        Although, to be fair, the ‘accused rapist’ was found innocent of all charges.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          …well, he was found not guilty by the criminal court, but so was O J. He’s still an accused rapist, just not by the criminal court.

          • ScaryBiscuits

            I think you’ll find that comment is libellous, Viceroy.

            • the viceroy’s gin

              Yes, it’d be ironic if the degenerate squealing about illegitimate court action would now pursue illegitimate court action.

          • Fergus Pickering

            Anybody is an accused rapist if you accuse him. You are a rapist, viceroy. I accuse you. It’s a known fact.Don’ try to dany it. I can see it in your eyes.

            • the viceroy’s gin

              Have at it with the accusations, lad.

              But suggest you don’t be often caught publicly accusing the internet anonymous. The asylum may have to come for you with a net.

    • Realpolitik

      I don’t care who joins UKIP, we all want the same end. We are all hard working tax-payers who are sick to death of giving so much of our hard earned money away to unelected bureaucrats whom impose emissions taxes and a whole wealth of business and industry crippling laws and taxes that are damaging our economy, why can’t we leave? The only reason not to leave is trade, and if the bankrupt EU refuse to trade with their largest export market in the world they truly are fools and we don’t want them running our country!

  • Denis_Cooper

    I think the Spectator should investigate how much some other MEPs have taken in salary and expenses. Daniel Hannan, for example, he has been in the EU Parliament since 1999 just like Nigel Farage, so let’s see the comparative figures for the two of them before we rush to any judgements.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      …that would risk ruining a well crafted hit piece. No can do.

  • HookesLaw

    ooh don’t go hinting at lack of effort and ablity by UKIP. You will upset the inmates.

    But I’m sure its all a mistake.

    • HookesLaw

      Farage has boasted of all trhe expenses he claims to fund his party. Anf lets face it UKIP are full of hypocrites.
      https://autonomousmind.wordpress.com/2014/04/

      • bwims

        So could you please point out a better party? I prefer the least worst option. the “Tu Quoque” fallacy won’t wash like any other fallacy.

    • bwims

      you moron

      • HookesLaw

        Aw deedums.

  • Realpolitik

    £60,000, ha, that’s crumbs of Cameron and Blair’s tables.

  • Colin

    MPs robbing our money to become property tycoons is totally out of order. However, if Nigel has used our dosh to help further his mission to bring down the EU, then I’m all for it !

    Sounds like a conspiracy of optimism has gotten a tad out of hand, here. A bit like the Beeb and McAlpine. The Political / Media Complex couldn’t believe their luck on this one, right up until, inevitably, it ran out – on the front page of the Times…

    • HookesLaw

      pathetic excuse for larceny.

      • Colin

        Are you saying that he stole the money? Proof ?

        Just askin’

        • HookesLaw

          ho ho ho – and I’m just asking you why is it you are saying its OK if he did?
          Since when did proof matter when the nujobs went on a rampage against Miller (who was found not guilty).
          But then I am forgetting, the sun shines out of Saint Nigel’s backside.

          • gerontius

            Your lack of self control is showing Hookey

          • Hexhamgeezer

            …………nurse nurse!!

          • bwims

            Every penny taken from my earnings is theft of some kind. A very small percentage of it is used for my benefit.
            If Nigel is claiming what he is allowed to and uses it to get us out, I don’t care how he does it. Buffer off.

            • Fergus Pickering

              Do not ALL MEPs take the allowances, all of them. Are they not simply an addition to salary?

          • Realpolitik

            You’re the only nutjob here , if you paid tax you’d want out.

          • Fergus Pickering

            It does indeed. Nigel is a wonderful human being. Maria Miller is…. not.

            • Kitty MLB

              So, Fergus is still one of Nigel’s brave little soldiers in his ‘peoples army’ battling the establishment, they will make you
              a General soon…but not a Colonel, they already have one
              of those. Just remember little kipper friends- not all Conservatives are the enemy. And you job is to defeat Milipede’s army.

              • Fergus Pickering

                Indeed it is, but Conservatives must realise that we are natural allies.

                • Kitty MLB

                  So its true then, you are not winding people
                  people up which I thought, you truthfully
                  are now a kipper?
                  Fergus, your new shiny party needs to realise
                  that my part of the Conservative party
                  and Hooky’s are totally incompatible and
                  should stop linking us together.
                  But yes, Your Beloved UKIP and my
                  band of right wing fruitcakes are natural
                  allies.I am struggling with this change
                  of yours but never mind.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …that would depend on whether you are a conservative or a Conservative. The 2 are not “natural allies”.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  Do explain the difference in your mind. I think I am the small c kind.

                • Kitty MLB

                  Oh, the difference, the big C kind. We are as rare as the Venus
                  transits of the sun, and a fire rainbow. The recherché and
                  classical part of that ancient party. Although we are not all dinosaurs. Cameron being a Left leaning small c wishes to
                  send us to kingdom come ( we are voiceless and in a wilderness) Right leaning small c’s like UKIP wish to possess
                  us. Not many big c’s here- in fact never found another one,
                  we wander alone sage like…

                • Fergus Pickering

                  Ah! Got it, Kitty. Yes, Im a small c. I have not particulay lyalty to the Party and would never drem of joining it. I have alwas been small c, even when I voted for Harold Wilson.

                • Kitty MLB

                  I am not actually a member of the Conservative
                  Party myself. Conservative ideals without
                  being chained to them.Its the older ones
                  who seem to have issues. There is nothing
                  wrong with being a small c.
                  Looking to the future as long as you,
                  look back to the past, Cameron does not
                  do that. Dont tell Hooky but although
                  I disagree with him profoundly, I admire
                  his loyalty, which should be commended.
                  Harold Wilson, thats going back a bit,
                  my old turtle dove, very far back.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  WEe4ll, I do go very far back. I couldn’t vote for Gannex man in 1964 since I was only eighteen and i those days, O best beloved….. but I did vote for him in 1966 and I would have votd for him in 1970 but I sat in the pub instead.

                • Kitty MLB

                  Yes you do old stick, there are 5 PM’s between you and I.
                  I was born when Wilson( and his pipe became PM) and so
                  was our esteemed leader Cameron, who has been likened
                  to Wilson. A bit of a character by all accounts unlike Edward
                  Heath ( who looked like a dull & uncharismatic man)
                  I have an idea, you were in a pub like most men of your age,
                  slightly inebriated and playing snooker ( I presume) instead
                  of worrying about politics, so why not have polling booths
                  in pubs. Chaps also think more colourfully after a few drinks-
                  an excellent idea !!! Shall tell Dave & George.

                • Kitty MLB

                  I forgot. You could vote in 1966 and Cameron was born then,
                  which links you both. And Cameron and I were born on the same day -Quite a significant year was 1966.
                  So you were either a Churchill or Attlee baby- wonder who
                  you share that day with.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  An Attlee baby. I can remember Picture Post and the Festival of Britain in 1951. My father took me. It was pretty boring.

                • Kitty MLB

                  Well you never had Thomas the tank engine back then and children were treated differently ( never heard of Picture Post ) I remember, Treasures of
                  Tutankhamun exhibition when I were about the same age as
                  you and finding it boring. At 5, I were more interested in
                  the magic roundabout, exhibition, And now 5 year olds are placed in front of the television all the time.
                  So, an Attlee baby, born at the time of a Labour PM, like
                  myself, Oh don’t tell Telemachus, he will be overjoyed
                  and that’s just not good for him..

                • Fergus Pickering

                  Attlee was hardly tele’s kind of chap. He did not have wet dreams about Stalin and kpt his idiot ‘intellectuals’ in order. By the way, I certainly did have Thomas the Tank Engine, though in book form, it is true.

                • Kitty MLB

                  I meant the books, didn’t know they were around in the 50s.
                  Did you know that Labour are moaning about the lack of female engines in those books, its so funny. And Little Red Riding Hood with its sinister undertones.
                  Ed Balls is the most recent chap to get Telemachus exited,
                  good knows what he’s plotting and He’s going to London this weekend to see Balls running in the marathon- obsessed !!!

                • Fergus Pickering

                  It was Daddy who wrote them then – The Reverend.

                  Balls running in the marathon? People die doing that.

                • Kitty MLB

                  Oh yes, Balls also doesn’t fit enough.Maybe he
                  cheats. There is Tandem Cycle with Milipede
                  at the front escorting him to the finishing line.
                  I’d better go and find those chocolate eggs
                  to have for breakfast. Happy Easter, old fellow.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  And a Happy Easter to you. And all our readers.

                • Kitty MLB

                  I meant to ask ‘our’ readers. Maybe you meant
                  fellow bloggers, you and I have no readers
                  I presume unless they are bonkers- they
                  would need to be, old stick and keeping
                  them entertained is somewhat monotonous.

                • Kitty MLB

                  Might I also add, I might rejoin when a Conservative is found to lead the party.
                  And regardless of what you say, you
                  are loyal to conservatism, will
                  not believe a word of anything else.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  I fancy the old Etonian with the Scottish bame. No, I mean Rory somebody. Or there’s the MEP chap. And Boris would be a larf….

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …oh no, you are nothing like the lower case kind, lad.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  But you have not answered my question, O wise one. Not that you ever do answer anyone’s questions. Being a delphic oracle is more your bag, I think.Actually I don’t care what kind of a conservative or Conservative I am. What I don’t believe in are political beliefs. Only nasty people have political beliefs.Politics is about expediency.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Yes, it is quite apparent you don’t care what kind of a “conservative” you are. I’ll help you out a bit… you aren’t one.

                  And lad, you’ll have to pay for your tutorials. I can send you my fee schedule, if you like. Otherwise, you’re on your own.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  And you are? It’s obviously a secret society. Like the thugs or the masons. I’ll stay out.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Actually, you seem quite keen to get in, lad.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  Naw. Not my style at all. Little wit and less culture.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  It certainly doesn’t seem that way. You trail along feverishly like a neighborhood mutt behind an in-season she-mutt.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  Kiss-kiss

      • Wessex Man

        I agree when are you going to pay it back!

    • ScaryBiscuits

      Boris Johnson called the libel against McApline as ‘too good to check’ in the eyes of lefties. It seems the same trap has befallen the Cameroons working for the Times, like Montgomery and Filkinstein.

      • Kitty MLB

        I thought the dashing Tim Montgomerie has left the Times.

        • ScaryBiscuits

          He’s still there but no longer Comment Editor. Don’t know if he or one of his ilk was involved in this story though.

          • Kitty MLB

            Tim is not an “ilk” he is quite delightful and wouldn’t be involved
            in any type of smearing. A gentleman of integrity.

            • ScaryBiscuits

              I didn’t say anything about Tim’s personality. Ilk is not an insult and Tim does have one, being a Cameroon cheerleader and seeing right wing Conservatives as ‘the enemy’, something I have heard him say with my own ears and not a great deal better than Ld Feldman’s description of us fruitcakes and loons. Whether he was personally involved in The Times’s latest smear of UKIP is not the point. The editorial stance of that once august institution, that is so desperate to support the establishment that it manufactures evidence, is.

              • Kitty MLB

                My fellow right wing Conservatives and myself are quite used to being the enemy of the camservative party, heard all the
                insults which are the same as UKIP insults- cameroons
                hate us- so what !
                And Tim is loyal to Cameron, he also approves of wretched
                wind farms and gay marriage, and everything that the Right
                of my party is against. But yes, this is desperate stuff from
                the establishment, who hoped that UKIP would just do away,
                not realising that fruitcake is the favourite of England.
                It will all come out in the wash and o do not believe Tim was
                involved.

                • ScaryBiscuits

                  Kitty, much as would like to agree with you, you may want to have a look at Tim’s Twitter feed and revisit that last sentence.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  I hesitate to disagree with you, Kity, but wind farms and gay marriage are not the same sort of thing at all. Wind farms are part of the rich man’s conspiracy against the poor. Gay marriage is a libertarian measure. It coosts next to nothing and harms no-one.

                • Kitty MLB

                  You can disagree with me dear Fergus ( none of walking on
                  eggshells stuff) It wasn’t my intention to link those two examples, I could have said overseas aid & pupil premium.
                  Wind farms are as you say and utterly pointless and ugly,
                  they don’t even work on very windy days.
                  I hope my support of gay marriage is also obvious, that’s
                  what I truly believe is right and just regardless of whose
                  prime minister ( didn’t realise I needed to explain that, to you)
                  Its just my half of the party treat that as the straw that broke
                  the camels back. And I do get a lot of criticism and abuse
                  as does everyone else who supports it- but I do support
                  it completely.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  We are, s I belive th expression is, on the same page, Kity.

                • Kitty MLB

                  Indeed we are sir, and on the same wavelength. Do be careful with agreeing with a right wing Conservative though.
                  Hooky and others will have your guts for garters. How
                  the devil did I think of that old fashioned word, I don’t even
                  know what it means.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  Do you mean garters? They are elastic bands that keep your socks up.

                • Kitty MLB

                  Fergus, socks hold themselves up now, and you have belts to hold the trousers up instead of those things, that went over
                  the shoulder clipped onto trousers. No, I thought garters were those things some ladies wore over stockings..but don’t
                  you worry your little head about that.

            • foxoles

              He wasn’t all that gentlemanly or delightful when he opined on ConHome that Brits should go without cancer treatment so that we could spend more in foreign aid, because ‘that money would just do so much more good elsewhere’.

            • Wessex Man

              oh Kitty! he’s turned your head, you naughty girl!

        • sarahsmith232

          Hello Kitty, are we still on speaking terms? If so, he is really v.v. attractive indeed, can’t imagine the reason why he doesn’t seem to be able to get a girlfriend.

          • Kitty MLB

            Yes, of course we are. When Tim Montgomerie was editor
            of Con Home. Some females couldn’t help being attracted to the man and telling him so. He is also charming, and delightful
            has that
            quality that not all men have but would like to have it.. I thought he was gay for a while,
            but No, maybe he is a workaholic. Maybe he just hasn’t met the right one yet.

            • sarahsmith232

              You seem to be privy to be a bit of insider gossip, you’ll have to dish. So he had females telling him he was attractive but he wasn’t going for it? Interesting. He seems like an awfully nice sort, has to be v.damaged though, only poss’ explanation, I presume. Do dish, was there really absolutely no interest at all on his part?

              • Kitty MLB

                Oh no, I am not privy to anything. Its just that some female
                journalists and Female posters from Con Home admired him and people are able to have more conversations with editors and sometimes you know, as you chat.
                I think he is a very soulful man who thinks deeply, maybe he
                suffered a broken heart at some point.
                I do remember one Christmas he said to someone, he was
                feeling a little deflated and a beautiful stranger came up to
                him at a train station and kissed him on the cheek, which pleased him… that was so very endearing.

                • sarahsmith232

                  Ok, if I beautiful female came up to him and kissed him on the cheek and he still wasn’t taking the bait, then i’m afraid i’m going to have to go with, hmmm, well, something’s up. /But then bless, maybe it was a broken heart, let him off the hook, instead of presuming the worst. He’s def’ into the fantasy male category though. Enjoy the rest of your evening though.

    • Realpolitik

      The EU have used 3 billion of our dosh on the “yes” campaign!

  • MirthaTidville

    I suspect the fickle hand of Finkelstein here. The establishment are in a panic and and the oily Danny is doing his bit to help. Anyway who reads the times these days?

    • HookesLaw

      The Times reporters have refuted the Farage Defence. Fink or not, whats important is the facts.
      And really kippers are on the horns of a dilemma.
      The press fitted up Miller and the nutjobs were ecstatic. No we see their claims of fit up over over Farage. Can we see a string of apologies to Miller?

      http://order-order.com/2014/04/15/payback-times-hack-hits-back-at-kipper/

      • Smithersjones2013

        Miller the flipper was ‘fitted up’. ROFLMFAO. Oh Hooky you become more unhinged everyday!

        • the viceroy’s gin

          Yes, Dave and the windmills will be a topic of discussion eventually, but it’s far too early to break it out now.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        One of the Guido followers has a response for you, lad:

        17
        Blad the Inhaler says:
        April 15, 2014 at 1:48 pm

        Even if they turn out to be goat-molesters, I couldn’t care less.

        At least they will be pro-British, patriotic, EU-leaving goat-molesters.

        They’ll be getting my vote anyway.

        More power to their elbow!

      • Wessex Man

        Why on earth should we apologise to this piece of work who had to in the end resign because so many of her own party were so disgusted at her tricks?

      • Cyril Sneer

        Vote UKIP.

      • Fergus Pickering

        Refuted? How so? Everybody gets the alllowance. Has the Times found anybody who has refused it?

    • gerontius

      I buy a copy every now and then to see if it is worth £1.20 a go.
      My considered conclusion is: No.
      As a news/comment paper I much prefer Spiked Online. Pack of old lefties perhaps, but they run a far better show than any of the “broadsheets”

  • Swiss Bob

    David Samuel-Camps says amongst other things:

    On the front page you quote me as stating that the costs were £3000 per year. This is grossly incorrect. I told you that the previous manager had tied the office into some supply contracts and as a result the monthly costs were some £2000. I told you several times that I eventually reduced the costs to £700 per month. When I went to school we were taught the times tables and that £700 times 12 equals £8400 (which is not too far removed from Mr Farage’s £1000 per month) so where on earth did you come up with a figure of £3000?

    If the Times really has wilfully distorted what DSC says I hope UKIP sue the Times for a bundle.

    • FrenchNewsonlin

      … and then spend their winnings forcing Brussels to get with the democracy thingy!

    • Greenslime

      They hear what they want to hear

      • HookesLaw

        Don’t worry I’m sure its all a mistake and will be cleared up.

        • Realpolitik

          You’re a very ignorant chap; aren’t you.

          What exactly do you hope to achieve through voting labour?

      • Hello

        So do you. Ukip is the political equivalent of a eunuch. Great for a little chat. At the pub. But doesn’t have the balls to actually do anything.

        • Realpolitik

          Much like you

          • Hello

            Tee-hee…

            • Wessex Man

              Tee-hee much like the Scots Yes Campaign getting a boost on every msmear on them so too with Ukip approval rating up…. tee -hee!

        • Kitty MLB

          Becoming frightened are you. But why attack and find
          issues that are untrue.
          Like flies to wanton boys as we are to th’ Gods they kill
          us for their sport.
          Its just too easy is it not, the establishment pulling together
          and attacking.. This is how Conservatives behave..

          • dado_trunking

            frightened blah di blah di blah . . .
            Take away the ample EU expenses waste and you would sulk hysterically.

          • Hello

            Newton’s third law. Don’t tell me you think Ukip play it clean?

        • bwims

          How would you even know what balls are?

        • Smithersjones2013

          Which is why Tories have been hysterically obsessing about and abusing them for the last two years.

          • Hello

            Yes, because the Tories can actually take her to bed, and Ukip are getting in the damn way.

            • Kitty MLB

              Well thats the issue the allure of the younger
              party without any baggage.And the use of
              their beguilling leader and his silver tongue.

          • Realpolitik

            Did you watch “have I got news for you”?

            • Wessex Man

              Yes a proper stich up job by those intellectual giants of the BBC Ian comb -over Hislop and the inane idiot Merton who hasn’t been funny since the last century.

              Farage, the leader of my party UKIp was silly to go on there, mind Hislop would have been exactly the same with Call me Dave.

              • Fencesitter

                One of my colleagues, who is ex-forces but non-politically partisan, said he thought Farage’s performance was fantastic and he came across brilliantly as a real human being. Will have to watch it myself now, but I very much enjoyed the Martin Durkin documentary on C4 the other week.

                • Realpolitik

                  The English have a soft-spot in their hearts for underdogs. The BBC came across as a bully.

              • lojolondon

                Hard to imagine anyone else except Nick Griffiths would have got the kicking that Nigel received.

                • Realpolitik

                  Do you mean “Griffin”?

                • lojolondon

                  Sorry, yes, I meant Griffin.

                • Realpolitik

                  I thought so; I’m a big fan of the late Richard Griffiths.

                  Farage and Griffin are nothing alike, but the BBC use the best attack on people they don’t like; just call them a racist/sexist and general fascist, because if those buzz words don’t alienate the drones that are the general public nothing will. It’s also very hard to disprove, the more you say “I;m not a racist” the more you give the accusation validity.

                • lojolondon

                  Agreed 100%. The BBC try to associate Nigel with the right, and preferably with Hitler if they can. That is the challenge with Political Correctness – whoever is the smallest ‘minority’ is always correct because if you contradict them you are sexist / racist / supreme-ist / etc. So we load our media panels with non-representatives to show that we exclude no-one and then the man in the street is unrepresented. Our own fault, really, for watching the MSM and Biased BBC.

                • Realpolitik

                  It’s also interesting how many political satire shows the BBC have, could this be an outlet for their political bias? I very much doubt it.

                  The irony is that Farage is a libertarian, and is fighting for democracy, the BBC are funded by the EU and want to crush Farage’s alternative viewpoint – that is true fascism. I wouldn’t care if it wasn’t funded by the general public (not me, I’d sooner stick pins in my eyes).

                • lojolondon

                  You are dead right. They load the audiences so every ‘comedian’ is guaranteed a laugh if the mention Thatcher, Major, Cameron, Farage, etc. Have you seen the website “biasedbbc.org” ? A very active blog cataloging bias.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  I think you mean Griffin. You obviously didn’t see the Neil Kinnock one, which the Beeb has firmly sat on. Hislop is a bit of a snob, public school and all that. His attack reeked with snobbery. Merton can be funny but he knows fuck all about politics. This will do the divine Nigel no harm. Nigel is public school too (his alma mater taught P G Wodehouse and Raymond Chandler) but it hasn’t set his thinking.

              • Realpolitik

                I quite like Merton. Farage was right to go on, otherwise he becomes another Nick Griffin. I hope even people on the left realised the attack was extreme; surely they must think “hmmm, why are the BBC behaving like this, what is their motive?” A quick google search will enlighten them.

                • Guest

                  Must have been hard for a guy who is used to preaching to the choir.

                • Realpolitik

                  If by choir you mean general public; rather than a BBC audience filled panel show which scathing attacks.

          • I like Comb-over

            If anyone here is hysterical and obsessive its UKiP and Farage.

        • telemachus

          Except troughing

        • I like Comb-over

          Well, thanks God for that. Their entire manifesto is bonkers. Farage just enjoys bullying the most harmless and hard working minority this country has ever had. Its his style, perfected since his Dulwich days.

          If I were EU sceptic, I would rather go with Vicky Sinclair, who seems more genuine and ‘English’ in pursuing out of EU line. Or even Hannan (whom I personally dislike) who, effectively, pursuing exactly the same policy as UKiP, doing so in much more gentlemanly manner.

    • HookesLaw
      • Wessex Man

        Oh dear Hooky, only you could send us to a link where everyone making a comment says it’s a smear campaign against UKip!

    • I like Comb-over

      £2,000 per month (tied to ink supply contract), later reduced to £700, was the entire cost of the maintenance the office, including stationery and the office equipment, which are different accounting category. The £15,600 reportedly covered only utilities and business rates (currently 145 per month), hence the £3,000 per annum.

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