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How Nigel Farage hopes that immigration can deliver victory for Ukip

21 April 2014

21 April 2014

Nigel Farage’s strategy for winning the European Elections is based around winning over blue collar workers who normally vote Labour. Ukip believe that they can use immigration as a battering ram to break through Labour’s defences in the north. One of the party’s campaign billboards unveiled last night simply says, ’26 million people in Europe are looking for work. And whose jobs are they after’. (I suspect that Ukip will welcome the controversy these posters are attracting because it will help amplify their message)


Ukip’s argument is that it is the only party that can actually do something about immigration. Its logic is simple: as long as Britain is in the EU, this country can’t stop people from the rest of the EU coming here to look for work and Ukip is the only party that wants to take Britain out of the EU.

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Another intriguing aspect of Farage’s foray into Labour territory, his ‘Join the People’s Army’ campaign tour starts in Yorkshire this week, is his attempt at political jiu-jitsu. He wants to try and turn Ed Miliband’s cost of living attack against him, pointing out that the squeeze on wages began under Labour. It’ll be fascinating to see if this attack gains traction.

Ukip are concentrating on Labour voters because they are confident they already have a host of traditional Tory supporters in their column for May 22nd. If Farage’s strategy works, Ukip will top the poll. This would throw the main parties into chaos. The public would have delivered a vote of no confidence in the entire public class. But, as I say in the Mail on Sunday, if Ukip don’t win these elections, Farage will have missed his best chance to break the mould of British politics.


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  • stevetierney

    Funny. Everybody gets upset about the perceived racism, but nobody challenges the ropey economics of “a set number of jobs and then there’s none.” I guess there aren’t many free marketeers left here on the Right.

  • swatnan

    Like true conservatives UKIP are playing the Race Card to draw in the votes.
    To borrow a slogan: Out of Europe : Not run by Europe. The Cheekie Chappie is going up to Sheffield today to rally his troops and dig a big hole for Cleggsie.
    A word of warning: Sheffield has been the graveyard of many an aspiring PM.

  • Realpolitik

    Who is Adrian Hilton? And why does he – a condescending fascist – get influence?

    I like to think I am enlightened, I’d imagine I know a lot more about politics than he does – especially if he thinks enlightened people, of all people, can’t understand that in a country with MASS unemployment and very few jobs the last thing we need is MASS immigration.

    Defect to UKIP from the defective Tories.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    I`m not saying “Vote UKIP” or even “Vote Tory”, just don`t vote Labour. Those wonderful people that deliberately brought you uncontrolled third world immigration. Encouraging uneducated Muslims to migrate to UK, quickly followed by enfranchisement, was more then reprehensible, it was out-and-out treachery. So good on UKIP for calling attention to Labour`s crime against the British people. With their record on this single issue, Labour should be rendered unelectable for literally decades. The Brit electorate must be as thick as two short boards to even consider voting Labour.

    • George Smiley

      Vote Tory?! Bunkum! You obviously been living in Japan for a little too long that you probably don’t even know who Nick Clegg is!

      You either vote UKIP or you vote Milibean!

  • Full Name

    Only here is it abnormal to want a points-based/permit/visa system as per Canada and Australia for Migration Policy as agreed democratically with the people of the UK and to be stained with shouts of racism by the media culture that seems to have been taken over by people with intellectual ideas and little practical common sense.

    It’s surely an engineering problem of rate of flow of people with a smart sorting system instead of no system that appears to be a vestige of the attempt to form an optimum currency region or at least reduce the terribly poor fit for a currency region that the EU has imposed for political reasons on Europe to such devastating results.

    Given the UK is not in the EU, I don’t see why we should have to have freedom of movement of labour. For our membership of the Single Market I think this is worth fighting over.

    Switzerland had their referendum on Immigration and that is a result of their Direct Democracy system that the UK clearly lacks when 70-80% polls indicate the public would like controlled immigration not mass immigration.

    • George Smiley

      At the moment, this Country most certainly is, as almost every British passport has the unholy name of the EUSSR engrossed in gold on its red cover to remind us of our loss of independence.

  • Richard N

    Whose country is this anyway?

    Does it belong to the liblabcon EU puppets and traitors?

    No. It belongs to the people of this country, whom liblabcon couldn’t give a damn about, and only remember when they have to try to con us all into voting for their self-serving rats once again.

    A country is not just – as liblabcon would have us believe, talking about the supposed ‘economic benefits of immigration’ – some piece of real-estate, where we’re supposed to accept our cultural destruction as a country, and the race replacement of Britons by 3rd world immigrants, on the supposed justification that flooding our country with immigrants is ‘economically beneficial for Britain’.

    Even if that were true – then so what?

    Many Britons put the preservation of their country and its culture and way of doing things far, far above this liblabcon fiction of immigration supposedly being good for our economy.

    No – a country is a people, and the culture that they and their forebears created over hundreds of years.

    Most British people want to keep this country being ours – with our culture and ways of doing thngs – and not just some area of real estate that every one in the world supposedly has equal rights to live in.

    I would feel contempt for any country that did not put its own people, and their interests, first – before anyone from outside who wanted to live or work there.

    But that is the opposite of what our entire libllabcon political class of trough feeders and EU puppets does: it thinks that it can justify flooding this country with untold millions of immigrants who are desolving our culture in front of our eyes – and which, in another decade or two, will cause Britons to be a minority in their own country – which by then, if this flooding of immigrants on EU orders to destroy our sense of national identity is allowed to continue, will be an Islamic country.

    And all because of this small group of traitors – who deserve to be put on trial for their lives, for their treachery to the British people, and their utter betrayal of the trust of the people they conned into voting for them.

  • you_kid

    We reject massive taxpayer waste on EU expenditure with only one purpose which is undermining the system. That’s just not a very efficient way of doing things me thinks.

  • CharlietheChump

    Can’t wait

  • lookout

    It will come down to the little englanders argument t again, little Englanders are those who think so little of their country that they want to give it away to the e u lot whom are unelected and don’t want their parents checked out

  • Jonathan Burns

    I have visited USA, Canada and New Zealand and they as former colonies are freer than we are. Can you imagine the USA subjecting itself to ECHR?
    Unelected foreign judges able to over turn parliament and jury decisions.

  • Donafugata

    Farage should do well with this.

    The squeeze on wages began with Labour’s cynical experiment in social engineering.

    Unlimited immigration caused wage deflation while having the added glee of rubbing noses in it and the Coalition, despite all the talk, has done nothing to restrict non-EU migration.

  • Jonathan Burns

    I would like a nation were laws are only made by Parliament’s elected MPs. Not the EU and not unelected judges. If you break the law no running of to the ECHR and getting compensation and costs for your fat cat lawyer either.
    The Conservatives talk tough but do sod all, Labour is dominated by “human rights” lawyers and the LibDems are just nuts.
    We want our country back and the only ones offering it are UKip.

  • Streben80

    Those posters are an extremely bold move but I can see the cold hard political logic behind them – Adrian Hilton has the tactic spot on. Getting the Guardian readers out screaming at anyone vaguely UKIP has so far been the strongest recruitment tool for UKIP and this will I expect prove it again.
    UKIP dont need to win these elections, or atleast not the Euros, it is the council elections on the same day that actually matter more. that is where the true momentum will come from for 2015, the Euros are just a useful distraction.

    • HookesLaw

      Its very important for UKIP to win Euro seats so they can chisel taxpayers money back into their mown coffers.
      Otherwise yes, since they have no interest in the EU or defending the UK interested in it, they do not need care about actually having seats.

      • Wessex Man

        carry on Hooky every pathetic post of yours gives us more members.

      • Doggie Roussel

        You are too obtuse for me, mate… I think you’d had an extra large gargle before making that last comment.

    • Raw England

      Guardian readers are becoming increasingly murderous and fascist as it gradually dawns upon them that they’re very much a small and intensely despised minority.

      Problem is, its them who’re currently in power.

      Guardian readers are elderly, clapped-out Marxists, and foreigners.

      • starfish

        It is interesting how the metropolitan chatterati seem to be increasingly irrelevant to politics in the wider UK.

        The BBC in particular seems unable to measure the public view on any major issue objectively, viewing everything through its own bien pensant soft left prism

    • the viceroy’s gin

      Good point. It’s from those council elections that UKIP will harvest their next generation of leadership.

  • sarahsmith232

    Personally, I’d be a little bit concerned by these posters. This is politicians underestimating the intelligence and thoughtfulness of the working-class voter, Labour spent 13yrs doing that, it doesn’t exactly prove too popular in these areas. It’s going to be just as easy for a WC voter to understand when they’re being underestimated and played like a fiddle as it is any other voter group, hmmm. I really hope these brutish, crass and unintelligent posters haven’t just gone and given people a bit of shiver, i’m hoping for a Ukip landslide but I wouldn’t want to be associated with that.

    • HookesLaw

      You don’t want to be associated with raw england then? Well listen up – thats what you get with UKIP who are intent on making intolerance inevitable.

      • Raw England

        UKIP are actually extremely moderate and extremely politically correct.

        What you should be worried about is the alternative to the moderate, politically correct UKIP: Full-blown Nationalism.

        ; )

        • Wessex Man

          What you should do is go to a very dark room, taking Hooky with you turn off the oxygen and pass into never never land embraced as lovers.

  • Mynydd

    When the then Conservative Prime Minister Edward Heath signed the Treaty of Rome he agreed to the free movement of labour within the EEC. This was reinforced when the then Conservative Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher sign up to the Single Market. The question to be asked now is; who has benefited. There are two groups who have benefited the most, first are the extreme right wing capitalists who have undercut the wages, terms and conditions of British workers. Of course these have been aided and abetted by the right wing press who have continually called young Brits lazy and workshy. The second group are the rich right wing, Conservative party supporters and donors, who just love cheap subservient slave workers.

    • HookesLaw

      The only freedom is only the freedom to come here and work, not to live and claim benefits. The ‘freedom’ is not absolute there are rules and given there are rules they can be changed. Before the EU expended (with Labour in charge) in 2004 the only defacto movement was skilled movement.
      In 2004 Labour chose to wave the rules so your attempt to pin it on the Tories and Right Wing employers etc fails. Only the UK under Labour waved the rules so anyone wanting to move from the new EU countries in 2004 came here. This totally disrupted our employment situation and poisoned the well for future discussion.

      This govt despite its LD appendage has tightened the rules, ie benefits, and wants agreement to tighten them further.
      Outside the EU there is the Schengen agreement which allows free movement of people within the Schenen area. This extends beyond the EU. So its quite likely that if we left the EU and wanted to create some new agreement we would have to join Schengen.

      • southerner

        You and the socialist Europhile Camerluvvies are talking to yourselves. Nobody is listening to this pro European tripe.

  • Ben

    What about;

    “We are going to bring back democracy….You the public make your choice and then we the government promise to act on your instructions”

    Anything wrong with this concept……Anyone?

  • bugshead

    Farage has definitey got my vote, and I believe, increasing numbers of the working classes

  • Richard N

    I would like posters which say:

    “Whose country is this anyway?

    80% of British people want immigration cut – or slashed.

    But all three EU-supporting parties want mass immigration continued.

    Vote UKIP”

  • Raw England

    Nice.

    Though these signs are way, WAY too moderate for me, and for most English.

    All polls show that at LEAST 70% of British people want all immigration to stop, and for British people to be put before foreigners.

    Also, a very large percentage wants immigration to be actively reversed.

    We’re at a very, VERY serious crossroads now.

    The people (native people) are acutely aware that immigrants have taken over/absolutely destroyed their country. They’re also acutely aware that they and their children are going to be the minority in their own nation.

    They DEMAND dramatic, radical action. They’re not asking. They’re DEMANDING RADICAL ACTION.

  • you_kid

    I love it – this should be the death nail for all irrational thinkers.
    Pakistan now appears to have joined the EU.

    • Doggie Roussel

      Or perhaps even, the death knell…

      • you_kid

        A rational and educated thinker at last. And the rest made more sense?

  • Denis_Cooper

    Thanks for highlighting these excellent UKIP posters.

    But are they quite sure that it’s 26 million?

    Possibly there is some doubt about the statistics, and it might be only 25 million, and then Anna Soubry or Nick Clegg could go on TV and say:

    “Ridiculous, there aren’t even 26 million people looking for work in the EU, there are only 25 million.”

    Which would, of course, totally demolish the UKIP argument …

    • Wessex Man

      or it could be the 26 million that are currewntly unemployed in the Euro Zone!

  • Radford_NG

    The campaign is financed with £1&1/2million from Yorks.businessman Paul Sykes.

    A Survation poll shows UKIP winning the Eastleigh seat in the General Election.
    UKIP 32% Con 28% LD27% Lab12%.

  • Agrippina

    Over 1 million jobs are zero hour contract positions. Do try to buy, or rent property, or enter into a simple mobile phone contract, you will not be able to do so, as you have no guarantee of funds coming in.

    Keep voting for the same trio of troughers for a different result.

  • HookesLaw

    Unemployment down and the number of jobs in the economy at record highs. What UKIP are peddling is racism. Nasty pure and simple, and they are feeding into the knuckle-dragging tattooed skinhead blackshirt wing of British politics.

    • Lady Magdalene

      Immigrants are filling large numbers of those jobs …. and they are costing us a fortune in the process.

      As Migration Watch reported:
      http://www.migrationwatchuk.co.uk/press-release/380
      http://www.migrationwatchuk.co.uk/briefing-paper/1.37

    • starfish

      Hyperbolic rant
      What exactly is untrue about these posters?
      What action is possible to prevent it?

      • HookesLaw

        What is untrue about what I said. Our employment situation is improving. The govt are changing benefit rules to get our people looking for work they are changing rules to make sure we do not get benefit tourists.
        The govt want to negotiate new rules with the EU and put them to a referendum.
        There have not been hoards of Romanys coming over. The thought of Romanys of course is guaranteed to get the bigots going.

        if you want hyperbolic rant just go to raw england. Nice friend you got there.

        • Tom Tom

          How do you know so much about Roma ? there are so many “self-employed”
          Big Issue sellers I doubt they are registering with the Department for
          Erroneous Information compiling statistics

          • HookesLaw

            So where are the 50 million Roma and and the Bulgarians then that kippers were promising? Don’t like the truth? Stick you head in the sand. Pretend it never happened.

            • starfish

              Which 50 million was that?

            • Doggie Roussel

              You are even more stupid and intellectually warped than was ever suspected….

              Farage highlighted the fact that 29 million Romanians and Bulgarians now had the right to free entry to the UK… Not that there would be an immediate influx of 50 million Eastern Europeans, as you suggest.

              That said, I would prefer to see this country colonised by the likes of the latter in exchange for the deportation of morons and halfwits such as your good self.

        • starfish

          Employment may well be impoving but in principle that benefits all members of the EU.
          Your faith in benefit ‘rules’ is touching but misplaced as abuse occurs.

          The govt cannot negotiate new rules with the EU unless the other members wish to – they can block all progress.

          Not sure what you have against Romanys The UKIP point is that all EU nationals can potentially work here and that none of the major parties plan to address it in any meaningful way

          Care to address that point?

          Ps I choose my own friends not sure you will have or keep many if this is the way you discuss issues

        • mohdanga

          Not wanting hundreds of thousands of unassimilateable foreigners settling in the UK, setting up ethnic ghettoes and subsuming the host culture is ‘bigotry’. On the other hand, multiculti, mass immigration proponents like you think that it’s all so ‘vibrantly enriching’ for the immigrants to promote their own culture. Why is one bigotry and the other not?

    • Raw England

      Oh shut up, Mr Hooke.

      • HookesLaw

        The day I listen to a knuckle-dragging racist like you will be a cold day in hades.
        What a sickening party UKIP is to try and make evil bigots like you respectable

        • Raw England

          I love it when you talk dirty X x

          • HookesLaw

            You know all about dirt. Stick to pressing your blackshirt and polishing the armband.

            • Wessex Man

              oh come now Hooky you secretly droll over that eye staring at you, you are made for each other.

            • Hexhamgeezer

              Polish an armband? Dry clean it surely?

    • Doggie Roussel

      The more they are opposed by intellectually sterile, tunnel-visioned dorks, like you, Hookes, the more support they will gain.

  • Agrippina

    Yes the billboards are accurate, that is why they are being used. All the folks from the EU can turn up to seek work, thus further cutting salaries and jobs for Brits.

    Vote UKIP and take back our country.

  • anyfool

    Mr Forsyth, you have failed to mention possibly the biggest obstacle to UKIP and also your boy Cameron, fraudulent postal voting and public sector workers bias towards Labour.
    Maybe you should privatise the counters of votes.

    • Kitty MLB

      Indeed,also include Labours inbuilt advantage in
      terms of seats, in which the not very democratic LIb Dems
      seem to approve of, as well as Hussain who will gratefully
      Vote for Labour.

    • starfish

      Indeed, the labour vote is already in the [post] bag

  • Chingford Man

    I see in his MoS article Forsyth is still going on about “UKIP expenses”. How much more will we have to say this: they are ALLOWANCES not expenses.

    Forsyth is either bizarrely ignorant or deliberately misrepresenting the issue.

    It won’t be easy for UKIP to top the poll but if they fall just short it’s easy to see what the MSM line will be: “They’ve peaked and it’s all over now.” Nothing will be further from the truth.

    • HookesLaw

      They are allowances for certain things. So they are not the disbursement of free money. Strange how you howl at the needless spending of a Westminster food ‘allowance’ by evil MPs but are happy to see saintly Farage misuse his EU ‘allowance’.

      • Lady Magdalene

        There is no evidence that he has misused his allowance. Just gossip and smears …..
        Anyone checked up on what Hannan and the rest of the LibCON MEPs spend their allowance on?

        • HookesLaw

          No? He has trousered 60 grand over 5 years to pay for a rent free office. You tell me where the money has gone.
          No doubt he can rely on other UKIP MEPs to back him up, only trouble is over half have left resigned or are in jail since the last Euro elections.

          If you want UK interests looked after in the EU then don’t vote UKIP. If you want to keep Saint Nigel on the gravy train then feel free.

          • Doggie Roussel

            Extraordinary that you and all the toadies in LibLabCon have the nerve to try to highlight Farage’s ALLOWANCES and his alleged sexual behaviour when their own parties are riddled with EXPENSE fiddling MPs … Maria Miller being but the latest example… and with a plethora of UK MPs being involved in all sorts of sexual perversions and shenanigans… From that Liberal Hippo Hero, Cyril Smith onwards… suffocating on their kitchen tables while dressed in fishnet tights… on trial for trying to sodomise interns in the House of Commons… the list is endless…

            We know that UKIP is winning because of all the implied filth now been thrown at Farage.

      • Doggie Roussel

        How has he misused it ?

        Have you seen his allowances schedule…. you really are the most awful advertisement for LibLabCon, aren’t you, Mr Hookes ?

        • HookesLaw

          So he has not has he? Well let the investigation find out.

          • Wessex Man

            Typical bercause I mentioned Tory Party S** Par**** at their Cnference in 2011 the entire post is ‘waiting to be approved’

      • Wessex Man

        er, Ms Miller would be on her way to clink if she hadn’t been a Tory Minister!

      • Wessex Man

        You can’t get your head around a bloke that uses his EU allowance for the good of the UK as against trousering it like your MEPs do can you, full of it as usual Hooky!

    • Doggie Roussel

      A lot of sense from Chingford Man… are you Lord Tebbit, by any chance ?

      • Chingford Man

        I’ve never actually met him.

  • Reconstruct

    Since the message about Britain being unable to have any sort of immigration policy whilst it remains in the EU is self-evidently correct, it is truly puzzling that the other parties don’t simply acknowledge it. Instinctively, you’d have thought it easier to get people to vote for you if they didn’t know you were lying to them. Still, what do I know?

  • Your Correspondent

    How will the BBC and other Labour-supporting media explain how Labour’s inevitable post-election tax rises relieve the cost of living crisis?

    • Reconstruct

      Ah, you forget, its the ‘bankers’ bonuses’ that are going to pay for absolutely everything. How many times has Mr Miliband repeated that? It’ll cost no-one else anything.

      ‘Bankers bonuses’ are Mr Miliband’s money tree.

  • alabenn

    UKIP only need to reduce Labour votes in the EU election by a couple of points, once people stop voting for them they rarely go back, it would be better if UKIP can actually get these votes physically as these votes tend to be more permanent than voters who just stay at home.
    The trouble with the stay at home voters is that this gives those in charge of the voting process the opportunity to use these votes for mainly Labour it must be said, top this up with the fraudulent postal voting and you can see UKIP or any other party for that matter have a mountain to climb.

    • Conway

      UKIP is picking up a lot of people who have either never voted or who have not voted for a long time. The stay at home vote may come out for once.

  • Tom Tom

    He should start in Yorkshire, ONS Data shows it was the hardest hit region from the GFC with a 14% drop in Regional-Value-Added and is not recovering. It did not benefit from the Brown Boom but it got to savour his Bust

    • Reconstruct

      Half-right, almost certainly half-wrong. The bit that’s right is about the collapse in Yorkshire’s GVA between 2007 and 2011 (the latest data available.)

      The bit that’s almost certainly wrong is your claim that Yorkshire is not recovering. Why not take a look at the employment data: you’ll find that since the nadir of late 2011, Yorkshire has had the 2nd largest percentage rise in employment of any region, including London and the Southeast.

      If you want more evidence, take a look at Markit’s 8th April report on labour conditions in the North: ‘The rate of expansion was steep and the fastest since data collection began in Oct 2007.’ The report goes on to note the difficulty in hiring permanent staff, and notes that wage growth is accelerating. KPMG sponsors the survey, and it’s guy in the North is quoted as follows: “the Northern jobs market outperformed any other region, increasing at a rate not experienced since the late 1990s.”

  • Kernow Castellan

    Of course Ukip will win. Even the useless Hague won against Blair.

    The more interesting question is whether they can keep their votes to the general election.

  • @PhilKean1

    .
    But Labour ARE the main cause of the so-called “cost of living crisis”.

    But there are 3 golden rules that the British people must memorise.

    (1) – It is essential they understand that immigration simply can NOT be controlled as long as we stay in the EU.

    (2) – They must also understand that it is the height of madness to surrender control of the mechanisms which allow the British people to remain prosperous and free.

    (3) – And the British people MUST be able to decide which politicians make the laws they live by.

    The ONLY conclusion being that we must leave the EU as a matter of extreme urgency !
    .

    • clouty

      Your point two made me laugh. There’s a lot of people at the bottom of the heap, unable to eat properly or regularly pay their bills because of decisions taken in Westminister, not Europe.

      • @PhilKean1

        Did you understand point 2?

        Yes, Britain’s political class has been a disaster for the British people. But the British people bear their full share of responsibility for voting them in, and especially when they are influenced by vote-buying inducements.

        The main point I am making is that the British people, through their elected Westminster politicians, have been in control over those economic mechanisms which guarantee their ability to remain prosperous.
        If a Government misuses those mechanisms, that Government can be removed a replaced.

        However, those mechanisms are being handed to the EU. And the British people have NO WAY to remove the EU and replace them with an alternative.
        .

        • clouty

          You people here at the Spectator scare me. You have no idea how the EU is for many the bastion against your draconian and evil* world view.
          Ability to remain prosperous indeed….
          You’d rather be little isolated Englanders – bet your boots Scotland wants to be in the EU – and be able to ride roughshod over the plebs without restraint… oh. That’s happening already.
          *thousands dying, a million to the foodbanks, this is from Westminister, yet the coalition would not accept EU funding for foodbanks when the need is greater than the provision.

          • @PhilKean1

            Ahh, I see.

            You are a throwback to the outdated politics of EU-Labour Socialism.

            I am not scared of you Mirror/Guardianista types. I regard you as the British peoples’ enemy.
            .

            • telemachus

              Your enemies
              But friends of Joe Public

              • Colonel Mustard

                You wouldn’t know. The greatest enemies of Joe Public are the Lieborgs.

                • Mynydd

                  At it again, no answer, just your hatred of the Labour party. It’s becoming so childish.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Answer to what? A stupid assertion by another Lieborg troll. You are the ones childishly harassing and trying to disrupt this site with your Lieborg propaganda.

                  And I notice YOU always target me. You seldom tag your silly comments to other conservative posters.

                • Kitty MLB

                  Maybe this one is related to Telemachus, maybe a evil twin,
                  at least he has some character regardless of how bonkers.
                  This one is quite without redemption.

                • telemachus

                  Kitty
                  We are a brotherhood
                  We stand together

                • Kitty MLB

                  Well yes, I did get that impression. There was more of a slight hint of you within their countenance

              • Wessex Man

                is that wht the poo is running down your legs?

          • Fergus Pickering

            Thousands dying? Of starvation I take it. Where re the pictures of this?

            • @PhilKean1

              I think he is angry that we don’t ask the EU to refund some of the money we waste giving to the EU so we can mitigate some of the damage CAUSED by the EU.

            • clouty

              No, it’s the sick and disabled, hounded from pillar to post and asked to do impossible things while suffering serious diseases and disabilites, they are dying in droves. But that should please you, it lessens the burden on the state. http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/371465/Deaths-warning-as-MPs-blast-Atos
              Those that don’t die are driven further into dependency by this system, first introduced in 2008 by Labour, made more draconian by the Welfare Reform Act 2012 and by the culture of fear-driven targets within the DWP and ATOS. Now that, conversely, increases the burden on the State.

              • Kitty MLB

                Well if true, then it proves how unbalanced
                Labour made the welfare system.It was always
                meant for the most vunerable . Reform is imperative to make things fair, so why are you
                against reform?

                • clouty

                  There’s good reform, and bad reform of course, and which is which will depend on your viewpoint. But every day I’m picking up people in pieces, in despair, without money to buy food and other essentials and pay bills, too ill to go out or even stay in and fight wrong, patently wrong decisions.

                  Every day I hear of more misinformation from DWP helplines – since when was it ok for ‘helplines’ to lie?

                  Every day thousands of people are becoming more ill, more disabled as the process you laud is making them do things that are positively bad for their fragile health.

                  No. There’s no defence for the Welfare Reform Bill 2012. None at all. Its effects are actually increasing the burden of disability.

                  To remind you, the Welfare Reform Bill took away the right to the lowest rate of payment of ESA while disputing a ‘Fit for Work’ decision following the thoroughly discredited Work Capability Assessment and awaiting the result of a Mandatory Reconsideration, a process that has no time-limit. This is perhaps the most cruel of many changes this bill made to our Social Security System. People are meant to sign on to jobseekers allowance interim, but are often refused the right to do so by JC+ staff as they are ‘too ill to comply with JSA conditionality’.

                  Between a rock and a hard place, and feeling like the world is spinning round, aching all over, unable to stay upright without hanging on to something… Hmmm.

                  Some just keel over and die, of course.

                • Kitty MLB

                  You are really painting a picture of a miasmatic
                  Victorian gloom. Tell me how better were these
                  people under labour, who not only created
                  our benefit addicted society but approved
                  of immigration knowing the detrimental
                  Affect it would have on public services.
                  Reform must happen. Maybe you should
                  take your concerns to IDS.

                • clouty

                  Do you think I haven’t? Me and hundreds, nay thousand of others? He doesn’t live in the real world, and governs on his ‘beliefs’.

                • Mynydd

                  The Conservative Party took us into the EEU and signed up to un-controlled immigration and the single market. Labour was in opposition at the time therefore could change the policy. I would remind you that it was the Labour party that give the people of the UK a IN/Out vote, when the Conservative party voted to stay in

                • Alexsandr

                  but labour and tory lied to us about what the ‘common market’ was to be. We heard nothing about ‘ever increasing union’ we thought we were voting for a customs union.

                • Wessex Man

                  and then George Brown and Harold Wilson promptly turned around with Maggie Thatcher and Campaigned to con the people to stay in what they knew was to come, as admitted by the traitor Heath years after.

                • Kitty MLB

                  Was Wilson a scoundrel then ?

                • Wessex Man

                  of course!

                • Alexsandr

                  bent as a nine bob note

                • Kitty MLB

                  Very interesting. I believe Wilson was the chap that
                  My esteemed leader wretched Cameron has been likened
                  to. A scoundrel, I thought they were all honourable and just
                  back in those days, regardless of party ….. I am now so deflated.

                • Wessex Man

                  don’t be deflated vote UKip!

                • Fergus Pickering

                  What do you do, old fruit? How do you earn your crust?

                • clouty

                  Me? I’m a pensioner, having brought up seven children (four not my own) and worked and paid taxes for 44 years. I now do what I can volunteering support and advice to people stuck in the maw of ‘welfare reform’.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  Don’t you feel that you are just the teeniest bit self-righteous and pharisaical?. If you worked for 44 years of course you paid taxes. Did you bring up these children by yourself or were others involved. Bringing up your own children is not particularly noteworthy. If the others were not your own, how did you come by them? You seem to think the present government is uniquely wicked. As for scroungers neing an infinitesmal minority, you are simply wrong about that, I would say wilfully wrong. .

                • clouty

                  The present government is causing enormous damage to society, in my experience. If that’s not yours then lucky old you.
                  Self-righteous? Really? That’s not a mirror you’re looking into is it?
                  DWP figures put fraud at a tiny amount, less than one percent. Official error is higher, as are the figures for unclaimed benefits.
                  Wilfully wrong? Using that mirror again?

                • Wessex Man

                  erm, excuse me but Sir Graham Watson Lib/dem MEP, who was a Republican until offered a Sir, answered my question to him about welfare fraud st an Open Lib/dem European Unity Meeting by saying ‘oh it’s only about £20 billion.’ nice.

                • clouty

                  And what evidence does he have, did he show, for that figure? I suspect he pulled it out of the air. The official figures are as follows:

                  Type of overpayment
                   0.7%, or £1.2bn, of total benefit expenditure is overpaid due to fraud;
                   1.0%, or £1.6bn, of total benefit expenditure is overpaid due to claimant error;
                   0.5%, or £0.8bn, of total benefit expenditure is overpaid due to official error.

                  Type of underpayment
                   0.6%, or £1.0bn, of total benefit expenditure is underpaid due to claimant error;
                   0.3%, or £0.5bn, of total benefit expenditure is underpaid due to official error.

                  You will note that overpayments are greater than underpayments, by 1.5bn. Net fraud is £200million, a long way from 20bn, you will agree. In fact it’s 100 times less.

                  These figures do not include unclaimed benefits that people are entitled to. That figure is huge.

                  Figures from:
                  https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/271654/fraud-and-error-in-the-benefit-system-2012-13_estimates-160114.pdf

              • Fergus Pickering

                Of course there are also the disabled who play football and the sick who go on holiday.

                • clouty

                  There have been a handful of cheats who have had their stories blasted all over the red-tops, but if you look at the statistics or even work in the system you know this type of individual is as rare as the proverbial rocking horse droppings.

          • telemachus

            Clouty
            That is the single most sensible post this month

          • Raddiy

            You should try and avoid conflating reality with your dreams. Dreams are the things that you often forget when you wake up, but if you don’t, then once your brain engages 1st gear, reality should usually kick in.

            People like you really scare me, because you seem to inhabit a surreal make believe, computer game world.

            Your view is of someone who probably has an ideological political agenda, and probably never goes near the world they like to visualise others inhabiting. Most of us do live in the areas that you like to portray as the habitat of the starving hoards, and it is a surprisingly good life. You want to treat yourself, switch of your computer, open the curtains and venture out of your bedroom, there is a whole world out there, and it is absolutely nothing like the one you want to create.

            • clouty

              I spend all day every day guiding people who are housebound, often unable to access other help, through the minefield that is the Social Security System 2014. I’m more in the real world on this than you, Sir.

              • Fergus Pickering

                In other words your job depends on you telling us how dreadful everything is.Misery is your profession.

                • clouty

                  I give up. You need to remove your blinkers.

                • Kitty MLB

                  I can envisage the reappearance of Dickensian, miasmatic
                  Victorian workhouses. Gruel being eaten and shoeless children
                  being stuffed up chimneys ( new EU regulations regarding shoes) The stench of lugubriousness is suffocating it really is.
                  It makes you appreciate how much better life was under Labour and how much more disadvantaged we are now.

                • Darnell Jackson

                  Nail on head, him and thousands more.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  Thank you, Darnell. I gather clouty does it for nothing. To feed his holier-than-thou self-righteousness..

                • Kitty MLB

                  Some here have a somewhat smug sense of superiority
                  and are judging others who are clearly helping those in need.
                  There are bad apples but the disabled and sick need more help and they are clearly being lost within the reforms-
                  its best not to put all the little apples in one basket.

          • Kitty MLB

            Well if that magnmonious dying elephant
            The EU was stopped from trying to undermining
            our sovereignty and controlling us, as well
            as squeezing us to fit into their ‘ Little England’
            Ideal. You never know, we might grow back
            into Great Britain.There is a big wide world
            out there, the EU is not the centre of the universe.

      • Reconstruct

        Of course, decisions like . . . growing the state so large it couldn’t even finance itself at the height of a credit boom, let alone when it bust courtesy of the worse-than-useless regulatory environment the state constructed.

        And yes, trying to wrestle the state back into the sort of shape that the country might, conceivably, be able to support over the medium term was never going to be pleasant or easy. Particularly when, as you note, the useless bloody incapacity of the state to do important work in a timely and efficient manner is leaving the country’s more vulnerable people in limbo.

        So, I guess you’ll be joining me in hoping a) that the state is never allowed to expand so disastrously ever again and b) that the state should be allowed to actually run things only in areas where they haven’t already demonstrated a proven level of failure.

        Actually, scrub a). Just implement b) and the problem would be fixed.

        • Alexsandr

          if we did b) we would have no state
          transport dept is just plain useless.

          • Wessex Man

            Until Friday all capital spending on major works was a bankrupt who sent an e-mail to a friend inviting him to share his good fortune appointed by Call me Dave, Call me Dave isn’t fit to run a whelk Stall.

            • Alexsandr

              not being an apologist for the present shower, but this wont be daves fault. Whoever appointed Caplin should have done a check on him. that will be some departmental minister, not dave. in reality a civil servant failed.
              lets not forget he was originally a Labour apointee.

              • Wessex Man

                That doesn’t make it any better and he was Cameron’s appointtee!

                • Agrippina

                  Caplin was a friend and colleague of Dave’s dad, they worked together in the city. Caplin was overseeing a budget of 60 billion.

                • Wessex Man

                  I know which is why I posted it, the people of the UK have to wake up and smell the odour, Westminster is as corrupt as the EU.

      • Lady Magdalene

        That’s a very good argument for clearing the LibLabCON parasites out at the next GE then, isn’t it.
        Voting UKIP is the way to do it.

    • HookesLaw

      Rubbish.
      Access to the single market requires agreement to free movement of labour. If we leave the EU then any attept to create some form of trade agreement will probably include the freemarket and movement of labour. If we leave the EU completely rather than as part of some associate agreement then any further agreement will probably insist on membership of Schengen.
      To leave the EU and go outside its trade barrier and free market would shaft our inward investment and for instance risk seeing all our car industry relocate. No way can you or thicko fat cat Farage guarantee that this would not happen.
      Every prospect if we leave the EU is for a downside. There is no upside only wishful thinking.

      Meantime UKIP activity merely promises the return of a Europhile Labour govt. UKIP do not about the UK, increasingly they see a nice future simply peddling intolerance. You are so dim and thick about the real world it beggars belief.

      • Lady Magdalene

        You mean like the Swiss arrangement with the EU …… the Swiss who have just voted to close the open door to immigration?
        The EU sells vastly more to us than we do to it. I’m sure they would want to continue that trade …. and would negotiate on the free movement in order to secure it.

      • Ben

        You are deluding yourself. The EU cannot afford to impose on us terms which would threaten their biggest export market. Without the UK export market their industries and economies would collapse.

        The British public have both the moral right and the the power to reject any agreement which is not scrupulousness fair and reasonable. The EU is the Emperor with no clothes.

        That is a fact.

      • Reconstruct

        OK, rather than picking up on your assertions for the consequence of the UK leaving the EU institutions, I’d really be much more interested in your view of what our future is likely to be if we remain within these institutions. Is it sensible to lock ourselves into a customs union with the slowest-growing / fastest diminishing proportion of the world economy?

        What do you think the EU institutions will look like in a decade? What proportion of the world economy do you think the EU will represent?

        Can you put a convincing case as to the golden future which awaits us within the EU? Or is it just that you are convinced we’d have no future outside the EU. I’m genuinely interested. After all, being in the EU institutions does involve a very obvious and palpable lack of democratic accountability, and there doesn’t seem to be any realistic ambition to address what I’d consider a fundamental problem. So my guess is that there would have to be some really outstanding economic compensation for my being willing to abrogate parts of my democratic rights? Over to you.

        • Wessex Man

          don’t expect a reply from this habital liar anytime soon.

      • Wessex Man

        LIAR.

  • Kitty MLB

    UKIP winning these elections not only sent a message to the EU, who assume we
    are voiceless little mice at the mercy of them and our meek little politicians.
    But it will send a message to our politicians that England as polite and tolerant
    as she is, has had enough of a foreign land controlling us and England has a voice.
    Labour and the EU loving anti- English Lib Dems doing well ,is not representative
    of this country.

  • Peter Stroud

    UKIP might well win the largest number of seats in May’s European election, but the danger is that many of his supporters fail to realise that he is unlikely to win a single seat in 2010. A vote for UKIP in the general election, really will mean a vote for Miliband. This is due to the extra number of votes, needed by the Tories to win any general election. This might not have been the case had traitor. Clegg not announced he would take his miserable MPs into the No Lobby when voting on the boundaries bill.

    • @PhilKean1

      Then all Cameron has to do to win back our votes is to start taking the matter of British Sovereignty seriously.
      .

      • Lady Magdalene

        Cameron and the pro-EU cabal he represents will never take the matter of British Sovereignty seriously. They have spent the past 50+ years steadily dismantling it and they have no intention of even trying to reclaim it.

        • @PhilKean1

          Which is why we should let them know what we think of them at the ballot box.

          To my shock, I learned yesterday that some Conservatives think that Labour are a greater threat than continued membership of the EU.

          As I told them, Labour can be removed at the ballot box. The EU can only be removed by people taking to the streets.
          .

        • 2trueblue

          Thatcher negotiated a huge discount from the EU, Blair gave a large proportion of it away for no benefit. Liebore did nothing to decrease the power of the EU, Brown scuttled out of the country to sign up to the Lisbon Treaty in Liebores last days in power, thus denying us the possibility of a referendum when they left power. During Liebores 13yrs in power we were promised a referendum and it was never delivered.
          Look at what happened to our schools during that 13yrs on the issue of our childrens knowledge about our country. Hardly a receipe for improving national pride.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            …sounds like all of LibLabCon are not to be trusted, then.

    • Lady Magdalene

      Then the Tories need to ditch the pro-EU Cameron and find themselves a BOO Leader.

    • Wessex Man

      THANK THE LORD FOR THAT, I WANT MY PARTY WINNING LOADS OF VOTES IN 2015 NOT 2010!!!!!!!!!!!! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • callingallcomets

    Hmmmm……sorry Mr F, the last place I would come to for a well researched or insightful analysis of UKIP is Notting Hill ‘s Tory Parish magazine

    • Colonel Mustard

      But you have come . . .

      • callingallcomets

        Ah Col M, old bean….you chaps in the Royal Army Tailoring Corps were always noted for your wit. By the way, how is Lt Gen “Tiger” Nidgett these days?

        • Wessex Man

          oh dear another comedian who isn’t.

  • Kitty MLB

    In the Labour strongholds of the North of England and East End of London
    where Immigration is most prevalent, and the effect of immigration most
    detrimental upon the traditional blue collar Labour voter, Nigel’s peoples army
    are making significant inroads. Labours devotion to the EU with its unreasonable
    laws on unlimited immigration show that party is not fit for purpose.
    It would be totally incomprehensible for Labour of all parties to come first, or even second in the EU elections. UKIP must slay the Labour dragon.

    • telemachus

      But when it comes to the GE, UKIP’s only role will be to split the vote in the 43 Tory marginals
      The high point will be next month
      And then reality

      • Kitty MLB

        Look behind you, here comes Nigel’s peoples army,
        not too sure Milipede is up to the battle.

      • Raddiy

        And you have got all your fingers and any other appendage’s crossed, you are probably praying 6 times a day to whatever ideological political prophet you worship, hoping above hope someone can answer your pleas, and that all your bluster and bravado will come true.

        The only certainty is that for some time after the 22nd May 2014 the appearances of telemachus, Hookie and the remaining few disciples to the cause of refusing to think for themselves, will be as rare as rocking horse muck.

        • telemachus

          You wish
          You will rejoice on 23 May
          But it will be downhill from then on

      • Wessex Man

        You wouldn’t know reality if it reared it’s ugly head and smaxked you.

        You still haven’t said where you stood as a Parliamentary candidate for UKip, I am pretty sure it was in yuor dreams before taking your medication

    • sarahsmith232

      Oh Kitty, when was the last time you were in the East End? I’m going to guess a fair few moons ago? There are no white people left in most of it. What few there are all Europeans. High st after high st with zero, none, absolutely not a single white person anywhere. The media have hidden this from view, so no one knows. You wouldn’t believe your eyes if you saw the East End. It makes me so angry that this has been a deliberate ploy by the media to keep this out of public knowledge. It’s worked, people haven’t the foggiest.

      • Kitty MLB

        Ops ! I have got that a little wrong again. I meant immigration
        in the East End of London by those mainly from Arabic countries, but didn’t
        know if I could actually say that. I understand the white working classes have left ages ago. And those who remain will vote UKIP-
        according to some lady who wrote in the newspaper from Hackney.
        No I have not been there for decades, and when I was last there
        I felt quite intimidated by foreign people from certain countries.
        I should imagine its a lot worse now.

        • sarahsmith232

          So frustrating to not be able to speak our minds, I know. All Bangladesh/Pakistan and Somalia now in the East End. All of the pubs have gone. Unesco was discussing to start to stick world heritage status on East End pubs ’cause they’re all now either a Tesco or a kebab shop. An Irish writer said that you’d need to go back to fall of Constantinople in 1453 to witness the equivalent ethnic change.
          It’s shocking what Labour deliberately engineered and they got away with it because the media didn’t dare make a peep about it. The BNP uploaded vid’s to Youtube to show it, ‘course needless to say the pathetically PC cowed media aggressively went after them. You’ll have to take a trip out there, seriously, you’re eyes would be out on sticks.

  • Lady Magdalene

    The logic is simple ….. and correct. And the British people know it.
    Most EU immigrants aren’t looking for highly-paid, specialist jobs.

    • Kitty MLB

      Indeed, not even speaking English was essential. Most of these immigrants
      went after the limited number of jobs on this somewhat small island.
      I am minded of when Gordon Brown was on his campaign stroll at the last
      election. He asked a lady if she was working class, and she responded
      that she had never had a job so was therefore never working class. And then
      we had Mrs Duffy who dared to ask about immigration.
      Both those ladies, sum up the working classes and how badly Labour treated them and with so much contempt. They had no other option, until now
      with UKIP.

      • Tom Tom

        Kodak started using non-English speakers then fired the English-speakers because they did not fit in

        • clouty

          How do we feel about the emigrants from the UK that are taking jobs in Europe? Are they all bad too?

          • @PhilKean1

            There aren’t any. Well, how many do you know who have travelled to Romania and Poland to earn those good wages that they are paying, and enjoy all those great benefits and conditions?

            It is best only to talk when one knows what one is talking about.
            .

            • telemachus

              So then Phil
              You know what you are talking about when you support party posters whose only result is to draw in the BNP support that you know Farage has been eying these last few months
              There is clearly no low to which he will not stoop to pursue his now evident pure racist agenda
              *
              I shudder

              • @PhilKean1

                It wins my support. Are you suggesting that my views are compatible with those of the BNP?
                We are hearing this same sort of inflammatory and emotive language today from fanatical, pro-European Labour MPs.

                When I see this poster, it reminds me that UK politicians have sacrificed the best interests of the British people in order to advance the best interests of the EU project. Nothing racist about it.

                Are you telling me that EU workers should be able to compete for work, housing, benefits, pensions, NHS treatment and services on level terms with British nationals who’ve paid taxes all their lives and who have families to feed?

                If you do, then there is a word for people who think this way.
                .

                • telemachus

                  As you very well know Phil that is not the point
                  *
                  We can have views and promote policies
                  But when you put up a poster that flagrantly appeals to the base instincts of the Northern Working man you have to ask whether this is a political party or a quasi religious ethnic cleansing outfit
                  *
                  I shudder

              • Wessex Man

                tele, you still haven’t told us where you stood for UKip before you became disillusioned, why if I weren’t such a trusty soul I would think you are telling pork pies again.

                • telemachus

                  I think you must be deluded
                  Or you misread
                  Or you confused me with someone deluded
                  *
                  I would never never ever have any truck with this racist outfit

                • saffrin

                  The insane are always in denial.
                  You must seek help!

                • Wessex Man

                  really on another thread you clearly stated that you stood for UKip but didn’t say where then you said became disillusioned with them and left.

                  YOU NOW CONFIRM WHAT I ALREADY THOUGHT THAT YOU ARE A LYING SCOUNDREL!

                  Exposed at last , all of your comment are now even more tarnished as they are issued by a liar.

                • Kitty MLB

                  Telemachus has the slightest soft spot for Cameron,
                  and a larger one for Balls.

                • telemachus

                  Kitty
                  I would embrace a thousand Cameron’s rather than have any truck with Farage who has now declared himself
                  *
                  Again I shudder

                • Wessex Man

                  I rather like your drift there Kitty darling but it’s a horrible thought does Ed Balls know?

                • Kitty MLB

                  Ed Balls would be devastated if he knew Cameron’s dazzling
                  smile had worked on Telemachus.

              • saffrin

                Racist agenda? A typically hypocritical remark from Labour.

                • telemachus

                  The posters are almost reportable for their racist incitement
                  You should phone the leadership and ask them to withdraw

                • @PhilKean1

                  My knowledge of legal and political matters is far from extensive. So would you please state the legal basis for your conclusion so we can understand your concerns?

                • telemachus

                  You know well that Farage is seeking the BNP vote directly using the threat of foreigners taking jobs
                  And by implication wanting them repatriated in the fashion of true Powellites

                • @PhilKean1

                  What if he is? In your mind, are all previous supporters of the BNP racist and worthy of our contempt?

                  My understanding is that some people felt compelled to vote BNP because, until UKIP, there was no mainstream party that wanted to control immigration.
                  Now there is a mainstream party in UKIP that wants to return control of Britain’s MPs back to the British people.

                  And, hey, here’s a shocker for you. The British people are up against the full might of the EU-Labour-Liberal-left – as well as the Americans and Cameron’s big business friends. As far as I am concerned, I would seek help from the British Fascist party, if there is such a thing, if it helped me to rescue the British people from EU dictatorship.
                  .

                • telemachus

                  There may be a legitimate debate about our exact relationship with the EU. Even Farage understands that withdrawal is unrealistic
                  Therefore the current discussion is about identifying Johnny Foreigner and hounding him out of the land
                  Farage is giving licence to bands of roaming vigilantes in the North intimidating folk who look or speak differently
                  *
                  I should not wonder if you walked round Bradford that you would find these louts going round putting marks on gateposts

                • @PhilKean1

                  I dispute your contention that Farage understands that withdrawal is unrealistic. Look, please treat me with a bit of respect and don’t think you can persuade me of your position by disinformation.

                  I can assure you that UKIP would lose masses of support if they dropped their mission to take Britain out of the EU.
                  It is bad enough Farage playing the Liberal-left’s game by seeking consent for leaving through a referendum. As far as I am concerned, we were not asked if we wanted to sign away the sacred powers we entrust to Parliament, why should they need our permission to get those powers returned to us.

                • telemachus

                  I do not doubt his or anyone else’s sincerity who expresses a desire to withdraw
                  However he understands the reality of the impossibility of him being ever in any position to do anything about it
                  He therefore has never had to face the reality of withdrawal
                  If he had he would know he would not subject the great British people to economic collapse

                • @PhilKean1

                  Are you saying that leaving the EU would cause the collapse of the British economy?

                  Would we also lose 3 million jobs? And would those 3 million jobs that would be lost be the 3 million EU nationals who’re currently living and working in the UK?

                  Funny, not only do I dispute the claim that the UK economy would collapse, but I reckon we are heading towards collapse if we stay.
                  My view is that we would better prosper outside the EU.
                  However, you and I both know that the economic argument is not the reason why you want to stay in the EU. But your side has a history of using such scares to good effect and it is a hard habit to break.
                  .

                • Alexsandr

                  I think without all the EU regs, our industry would do better and employ more. The EU is a drag on our economy.

                • telemachus

                  See my reply to Phil
                  The reality is too awful to contemplate

                • Colonel Mustard

                  You are too awful to contemplate.

                • telemachus

                  This thread is for those who believe in something

                • Alexsandr

                  yes, for those who believe that the UK can do quite well without the dead hand of the failing EU
                  and we are not alone. Anti EU sentiment is growing in France, Benelux and Germany.

                • telemachus

                  Of course
                  And this is why it must change
                  Why our country should get in at the heart and change it to our benefit
                  We cannot let the economy collapse
                  More
                  Just look at Russia and Ukraine and remember we are at the centenary of the greatest conflagration to be visited on Mankind
                  *
                  Think man think

                • Alexsandr

                  the EU wont change. The net recipient nations will never allow it. Cameron will get some minor concessions before the referendum like Wilson did in 1975. Not sure that ruse will work this time.

                • telemachus

                  Merkel needs a change by treaty to impose fiscal discipline on the Southern European Nations
                  She needs it so much that she will accede to our wishes
                  In truth I trust Dave on this
                  Please do not let Farage queer his pitch

                • you_kid

                  didn’t know there was a party going on here . . .
                  Ukip DEPEND on EU funding.
                  Take it away and they wouldn’t be unlike a
                  UK(raine) Dependence Party.

                  At the mercy of Angie’s money.

                • Wessex Man

                  If the EU are daft enough to give us money to use to leave it that realy says it all about the EU.

                  In fact UKip MEPs are merely using the allowances that all other MEPs throughout the EU merely pocket for themselves to do something useful with- to stop the madness!

                • saffrin

                  Southern European Nations only need leave the euro and Call me Dave can’t be trusted or believed anymore than Miliband or Clegg.
                  UKIP is the only answer to so many questions.
                  Questions both Labour and the Tories have demanded we answer.

                • Tom Allalone

                  That says a great deal both about you and about Dave. I hope you will be very happy together

                • telemachus

                  Right and time are on our side

                • Wessex Man

                  You a lovey labour lapdog, support Dave, just about sums you up!

                  I’m still waiting where did you stand for UKip and when? This claim is beginning to look a bit suspicious now, you little fibber you.

                • Tom Allalone

                  What are you going on about? More people died in WW2 than in WW1. Mao killed more people than WW1, though I expect you approve of that. Class enemies, base instincts etc

                • telemachus

                  I picked the first as an illustration of the danger of unassociated nation states

                • Colonel Mustard

                  I believe in plenty. Don’t let that ego-fuelled presumption that you know everything about everything run away with you. And don’t keep presuming that because you believe something or write it repeatedly that it is invariably true.

                  Your Labour tactic of applying a demonising label and then repeating it in order to shut down any dissent that you disagree with is wearing thin and people are beginning to wise up to it. As a party you are only defined by those you profess to hate and your mantra is exclusively constrained by that hatred. Even your calls for “equality and fairness” are based on negative presumptions.

                  More humility and less hubris from you would be welcome. But with that big fat head and bigger mouth of yours we are unlikely to see it.

                • Alexsandr

                  i saw it and replied. you have no idea do you.

                • telemachus

                  It is you who are deluded
                  The City is based on confidence
                  When this collapses we collapse
                  *
                  Let us just look at the case ofvStarbucks
                  They decided to locate here from Holland last week
                  Do you imagine for a moment that they would not go back if we even threatened to pull out
                  *
                  Get real

                • telemachus

                  All those multinationals locating here as a platform to Europe would go
                  Confidence would collapse and more would go
                  The City would lose half it’s business
                  Banks would collapse
                  Indiginous businesses would collapse without bank support
                  Civil unrest would ensue
                  *
                  In the cold light of day Farage would understand
                  Do what is point of him
                  Except as an out and out racist like Oswald Moseley

                • Alexsandr

                  really?
                  I rather think business would prefer a less regulated environment
                  and remember there is the rest of the world doing quite nicely without the EU. And where more than 50% of our trade is with.

                • @PhilKean1

                  I hope they go, then. Sadly, though, I know most of them would stay.

                  I remember listening to the boss of a Japanese car company whose predecessor famously threatened to leave the UK if we didn’t join the Euro. Asked whether his company would leave the UK if Britain pulled out of the EU, he said that being outside was no barrier to them staying. Rather disappointed the pro-EU TV interviewer who asked the question.

                  Keep it up. We welcome any scare that needs dismantling.

                  BTW. Britain is a country that maintained her wealth and employment through the creation of SMEs. EU membership is a massive disincentive to SMEs and freeing us from EU burdens would spark a massive growth in their number.
                  .

                • telemachus

                  Where would they get their finance when our banks collapse

                • Alexsandr

                  why would our banks collapse? most are more active outside the EU than in.
                  Anyway peer to peer is getting bigger reducing our dependency on the big 4

                • Realpolitik

                  So the premise of your argument is “confidence would collapse” Confidence in what?????????? We will still trade with the same nations and unions, what exactly will change??????????

                • Ooh!MePurse!

                  The Left continually distort History to further their cause. I once heard Blair claim that all advances in womens’ rights occurred under Labour governments! Telemachus himself tried to claim that Wilberforce was a socialist.

                • Alexsandr

                  oh shut up you muppet., You do talk the most unedifying drivel

                • telemachus

                  Jolly good job I an not Titchmarsh
                  (see the DT)

                • Tom Allalone

                  You really should seek professional help. If you knew anything about Bradford you would know that the tensions there are often between the Asians and the Eastern Europeans – who they complain are taking all the low paid jobs. And it’s almost funny to hear a holier than thou leftist generalising in a rather racist fashion about the base instincts of the northern working man – how are those base nstincts different from those of the West Midlands working man, or the East Anglian working man?

                • telemachus

                  All the more reason to conciliate and not inflame by irresponsible billboards
                  *
                  Also – no different
                  But Ukip happens to be inflaming the North

                • Realpolitik

                  How is this not the case? Immigrants ARE taking jobs from the poorest in our society, wake up you drone.

                • saffrin

                  You should seek psychiatric help for Labour are the guilty that incite racial and religious hatred.
                  The fact you don’t recognise your guilt is of no surprise.

                • telemachus

                  The whole ethos out our great movent is inclusiveness and tolerance

                • saffrin

                  There is nothing tolerant about you or the racist party you support. Your hate posts are quite evident.

                • saffrin

                  There is nothing tolerant about you or the racist party you support. Your hate posts are quite evident.

                • Realpolitik

                  1. they start taxing at £6,500…….. compared to the coalition’s £10,500..if they represented the working man why tax low-paid workers so harshly forcing them onto benefits as they are better off on them?????)

                  2. they didn’t regulate the banks in 13 years. (Blair now a banker worth upwards of 60 MILLION- and he started the new labour movement…..) Google “Peter Mandelson on yacht with Nat Rothschild” “Google Brown at Bilderberg” etc.

                  3. more tax has been paid by top earners EVERY year under the coalition than ANY under labour.

                  4. They want to increase debt BY £3,200 per person

                  5. spend 11.6% more than they take in tax.

                  6. they destroyed our economy. Labour presided over the slowest growth in 50 years, they produced the fastest decline in British manufacturing since manufacturing began, they left us mired in the longest recession since the war, they bequeathed maybe the largest deficit in peacetime history, and they handed over a debt so huge we will still be repaying it when the earth is swallowed by an expanding sun, a cosmological termination which might therefore come as some relief.

                  7. they want to continue to send 57million a day to the EU

                  8. they want higher immigration (last time allowed the biggest mass immigration into the United Kingdom in our nation’s history: three million people, possibly more than entered these island in the preceding 1,000 years combined.)

                  9. they have destroyed the NHS in Wales (where they are currently in power, why wouldn’t they do it here too?????- the coalition have ring-fenced our NHS budget so they CAN’T cut it, but labour will.) Our last labour government blew £250,000,000 on private surgery because their NHS was so bad1,200 died in Mid-Staffordshire Hospital alone, that’s more than died in Mid-Staffordshire during the Black Death.
                  along with their gagging orders on whistle blowers within the NHS

                  10. they raid the pensions.

                  11. Iraq+Afghanistan.

                  12.They sold off 400 tons of UK gold reserves and invested the money elsewhere (including in euros, compare the change in the value of gold to the change in the value of the euro in recent years if you have some free time).

                  13. run by the unions

                  14. They bloated the welfare budget.

                  15. They didn’t keep up with house building when demand rocketed, allowing house prices to triple

                  16. They failed to build a lot of necessary infrastructure such as power stations.

                  17. they didn’t invest in infrastructure (despite borrowing 1 trillion and taking 13 years of tax) Well, yes: they built the Millennium Dome. It’s easy to forget the Millennium Dome, because, after all, who would want to remember it, but this thing burned up 800 million pounds, was maybe the greatest marketing flop in recorded time, and it turned out to be a great big dirty tent where queueing families could pay £60, just to look at uplifting representations of litter.

                  18. They continually increased fuel duty by over 107%, harming motorists.

                  19. They signed the Lisbon treaty, giving vast amounts of power to the EU and going against their own manifesto in with they specifically said they would give the people a referendum.

                  20. Allowing rich people to buy peerages.

                  21. Started HS2

                  22. They left us with the largest budget deficit in the G20 relative to GDP.

                  23.They lumbered the NHS with vast PFI repayments which are coming out of Foundation trusts and straight into the pockets of the private sector. £50 Billion’s worth of loans which are costing us £300 Billion in repayments-genius!…….

                  24. Housing waiting lists DOUBLED under Labour

                  25. Europe. labour’s biggest achievement in Europe was to give away half our precious rebate, won by Thatcher, at a cost to you and me of £9 billion so far – and in return they got precisely nothing, unless you count a chortling, after-dinner promise from Jacques Chirac, that he’d make Tony Blair President of the EU, which he didn’t. A small mercy.

                  26. Education. ensuring English youngsters are amongst the worst educated in the western world, and closing the grammar schools preventing the poor from achieving.

                  27. giving everyones personal information to america

                  28.google “labour MP wants muslim prime minister”

                  29. they can’t even run their party finances ( lost 2 million recently in banking)

                  30. The party is almost identical to the previous labour government who got us in to this mess (ed balls).

                  31. Google “labour25”

                  32. Medi Hassan wrote Miliband’s biography is a militant muslim who described westerners as animals (a video you can find on here)

                  33. The espouse the same political policies and views as the French President Hollande which is destroying France, where the rich have left youth unemployment is at 25% and they have seen the largest drop in investment for over 60 years.

                  34. 5 Labour MPs—and no Tories or Lib Dems—have been found guilty of expenses fraud by a court and sent to prison. Ed Balls claimed £33 parliamentary expenses for poppy wreaths he had laid at his constituency ceremony.

                  35. Diane Abbott, Ed Miliband, Ed Balls, etc.

                  36. labour corruption privatisation of Qinteq defence service making LABOUR Lord Drayson worth over £542 MILLION

                  As for the Labour Party right now, they’ve opposed every cut that aims to tackle the deficit their party created and are not offering a plan of what they would do differently. Apart from keeping all the cuts (which they are opposed to)

                • Ooh!MePurse!

                  Brilliant!

                • Realpolitik

                  Feel free to share it, add to it and correct my grammar.

                • Wessex Man

                  Go on then report them and at the same time remember I’m still waiting to hear where you stood for UKip before you became disillisioned.

                • telemachus

                  See my last reply about your delusions

                • Wessex Man

                  Come on when and where did you stand for UKip, by saying that you did then refusing at every opportunity when asked really says everything there is to say about you!

                • lojolondon

                  Go ahead, and report the posters if you think that. Just make sure you know what race is being incited against here please, or you risk looking like a fool (once again – ha ha)

              • Realpolitik

                Yawn, stop being so obsessed with race, the campaign is about immigration and our economy, not race. We are bored of being called racists.

              • lojolondon

                When the leftys don’t have any argument, they cry racism. Not realising that UKIP is the best party for the working person, not the government-employed troll with time on his hands.

            • McClane

              ‘There aren’t any.’

              How do you know? Facts, figures, sources?

              ‘It is best only to talk when one knows what one is talking about.’

              • Wessex Man

                Come on then show us yours.

                • Alexsandr

                  please don’t start a ‘ill show you mine if you show me yours’ argument :)

                • Wessex Man

                  I’ll pick any argument I like with McClane or anybody else for that matter, the fact is that England is now the most densely populated country in Europe and can’t cope but wishy washy people think that’s fine because a few people work in the Baltic!

              • @PhilKean1

                Sometimes we have to use what little intelligence we have to cut through the bull.

                For example, wages in Romania are one fifth of what they are in the UK.
                Jobs are harder to come by in Romania. Unemployment benefit is non-existent. Health provision is less comprehensive.

                And I haven’t yet heard of one person who has gone to Romania to earn one fifth of a UK salary. Have you heard of any? Might it be why they are coming here, as well as to take advantage of our welfare state and health care?

                I think you’d probably fare better debating with school-kids.
                .

                • McClane

                  If we’re going to rely on anecdotal evidence, then yes, I know several Bits who have moved to the Baltic states and the Balkans who are paid British levels of wages for the skills they bring which are in short supply there. And because the cost of living is lower there they enjoy a far better standard of living than they would here. Similarly, the Balts and so on who come here fill jobs which the British either lack the skills or the inclination to do themselves.

                  It is hardly their fault if the British have decided themselves over the years to build up a non-contributory welfare state with universal benefits.

                  You demean your argument by being unnecessarily rude.

                • @PhilKean1

                  There are lots of ways to be rude to people. On the whole, I share your sentiment that we should try to be respectful.

                  But when the left insult our intelligence with spurious arguments and bogus scares, it makes me rather combative.
                  .

                • McClane

                  There are indeed ‘lots of ways to be rude to people’

                  You can also choose not to be rude.

                  I am not of the left. I believe in market forces. We exported loads of jobs e,g Lancashire cotton jobs, British Leyland jobs, simply because the British wouldn’t or couldn’t do them.

                  Now we have jobs we can’t export: flipping burgers, waiting on tables, being polite from 8am till 8pm or whatever, caring for the elderly. Jobs the British won’t get off their backsides to do, because, well, they get benefits.

                  So, hello Bulgarians, hello Romanians. Because they will do those jobs.

          • Lady Magdalene

            Most British residents in the EU countries are self-supporting pensioners.

            • Mynydd

              Along with fellow Brits I have worked in three EU countries when there was no suitable work available in the UK.

              • Ben

                As have I. However; (1) the work was available. (2) There were not 500,000 of us arriving annually. (3) We were not entitled to use their benefits systems, receive free education and medical services or housing.. Further; When we had no work to do, then we returned and left the place as we found it.

                Not quite the same terms and conditions….Ne cest Pas?

                • telemachus

                  This is the kind of inflammatory post that is reminiscent of the poster
                  The kind of view that led to Crystal Night

                • Wessex Man

                  That tele shows the levels you and your sick party have fallen to, you should be ashamed of yourself!

                • Ben

                  What specific parallel do you draw?

              • Lady Magdalene

                Which I why I said MOST …. not all.

            • Ben

              Indeed. Overwhelmingly they are retired and self supporting or second home owners. A major, major source of income to beleaguered Spain,Portugal,France etc…. (interestingly they are not factored into the economic dependence the EU have on the UK…….But, should be!)

              The idea that British pensioners in Spain take Spanish jobs is laughable!

          • Tom Tom

            I have always spoken the local language and fitted in where I could but faced resentment

            • telemachus

              So with the European migrants
              It is our job to welcome them for the economic benefit they bring

              • saffrin

                They don’t bring any economic benefit.
                All they do is overburden our public services, increase homelessness, rents and unemployment.
                In no way do the taxes they pay outweigh the unemployment and associated benefits of those whose jobs they stole.

              • sfin

                Your tired old insults of crying ‘racist!’ whenever someone expresses genuine concern that their indigenous culture is being subsumed, or at best diluted, by uncontrolled immigration ‘rubbing the right’s nose in diversity’, has served you well for over fifty years.

                Britain is beginning to wake up to the fact that it has been ruled, for all that time, by a left wing, fascistic, ‘intelligensia’ that actually despises this country and it’s ancient freedoms and tolerance. These ‘liberal elites’ loathe the idea of individual freedom and have always sought to promote collectivism (provided it is they who govern the collective, of course).

                Today we have the clegglet arguing that Nigel Farage is part of the ‘anti EU establishment’, whilst the lib dumps are a ‘insurgent, pro EU party’. Apart from being a toe curlingly, embarrassing lie, it smacks of the desperation of all of you who have hated and sought to destroy this country for so long.

                Your days are numbered.

              • Tom Tom

                I have a great affinity with Poland yet do question why 5% Poland’s population is in the UK. I know them well enough to see the turf wars between Iranians and Poles for Polski Sklep business in the UK………..you have no idea what kind of war zone is developing in English cities

                • telemachus

                  That is like the UKIP posters
                  Irresponsible

                • Tom Allalone

                  Irresponsible in your case meaning truth you don’t want to hear. The skies are dark with clouds of chickens returning to roost

                • telemachus

                  We are back to the inflammatory billboards
                  Please do not stoke the fire

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Every single comment you make here is inflammatory and intended as such.

          • Gregory Mason

            Most of them are highly skilled and therefore fill jobs that are in high demand with a low supply.

          • lojolondon

            There aren’t any at the lower levels – who would leave Britain to go to Spain where 50% of under 25’s are unemployed? That is why Europeans are coming here. Only Brits going abroad are senior execs and professionals who are going for BIG money.
            So it is a double whammy – we lose an exec on 200kpa who pays 100kpa in tax, and we get back 10 unemployed people, give them the dole, put their kids through school, give medical attention etc. No wonder we can’t grow our economy, no wonder our taxes are so high, no wonder there is no money left for traditional workers.

            • clouty

              So there’s no Brit entertainers, bar staff, hotel staff, holiday reps in the Costas? No blue-collar British workers in Germany or Sweden?

              In Spain you have to pay taxes and their £200+ a month ‘seguros’ (like our NI) for six months before you can claim any help at all, and that help (the ‘para’) is time limited to six months – not that I ever claimed it. I was self employed there, no help for us (not that I needed it). Self employed are all IVA (VAT) registered from the start. Gratuitous fact.

              The UK has similar checks on eligibility to benefits. You have to prove residency and a connection to the area to get any income-related help and you need to have been here three months before claiming. Contributions based benefits take at least six months to qualify for. http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/benefits-for-non-uk-nationals

              Immigrants to the UK are net contributors to our economy. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/11/04/uk-immigration-_n_4212431.html#slide=2369745

              • lojolondon

                OK, my fault for the confusion there – I was not counting holiday reps on a gap year getting drunk and laid in the Costa as ‘workers’.
                But let there be no mistake, there is no way that ‘immigrants contribute to the UK economy’ can stand as a blanket statement.
                If you mean that South African, Australian and Kiwi nurses, doctors, teachers, accountants, engineers, etc. contribute, then yes. If you think that having a Polish person move your furniture instead of a Brit (who is now on the dole) can be good for us then you are sadly mistaken.
                When they count the cost of immigration, did they take into account the additional 250,000 places in school that England has to provide this year? No, of course not!

                • clouty

                  You didn’t check the links, I guess, because you are certain of your position. It’s a firm belief. Almost religious in your conviction.

                • lojolondon

                  I DID check the links – 1) The recently announced ‘limitations on claiming benefits’ – which are easily sidestepped, by, for example, registering with ‘Big Issue’.
                  2) The Huff – repeating the garbage government report ‘proving’ that immigrants are cost beneficial to the UK. I addressed that directly in my note above, skilled people from English speaking countries, sure. Except that you are taking skills from the countries that trained them, and the people who REALLY need them. And, of course, for the fact that, as long as we have unemployment, for every immigrant who is ‘beneficially employed’, another Brit is claiming the dole. And we are paying for NHS, education, pensions etc. for both of them. Figure that out.

                • clouty

                  There have always been limitations on new immigrants claiming benefits. Easily sidestepped? I doubt it.

                  So what are you saying? People should always stay in the country they were born in? That would be something new in human history.

      • Mynydd

        I am minded that Gordon Brown said “British jobs for British workers” and was then condemned by the right wing capitalists and backed up by the equally right wing press

        • Colonel Mustard

          You don’t have a mind. You are hardwired to the rest of the Lieborg groupthink.

        • Darnell Jackson

          He was criticised for his breathtaking hypocrisy.

    • telemachus

      We need these folk to provide support to the ageing population
      Those European countries without large migrant pools of workers are projected to have contracting GDP’s and pension cuts

      • Dicky14

        We need these people to move over here so I can continue to watch my house value inflate greater than my wage so that my children will never have to mix with you and our ilk. The damage has already been done so it’s all about profit now. Retirement to Scotland, the best part of England, is looking good value after the kids graduate. Cheers socialists!

        • telemachus

          I suppose you conflate 2 of the most disgusting aspects of the current debate
          *
          Beware the SNP hate the right and the Tories even more than Labour do

          • Colonel Mustard

            The most disgusting aspect of the current debate is you and people like you. Unfortunately this country is stuck with lefties so will never improve.

          • Dicky14

            I don’t care less. All this spirit level guff and reducing inequalities nonsense has totally passed me by since we bought our 1st house in 1993. We’re not posh just middle class – my wife works hard but i’m proper lazy yet somehow our house is worth nearly 20x what we bought it for. So I get loads of wealth chucked at me, I get to fund my kids to post grad level or whatever they want and working class kids get excluded forever? Not the way i’d have done it but then I wasn’t asked so I’ve got zero guilt. This was a socialist policy that hurts poor people – I can’t for the life of me understand why they did it. Our street used to be a starter street, nowadays we’re getting top professionals on serious money scraping everything they have just to get interest only mortgages – it’s totally insane and it’s all down to immigration – whoo hoo!

            • telemachus

              The problem with that post is that of the many problems you identify none are due to immigration

              • Alexsandr

                oh our housing shortage is nothing to do with immigration. how blind can a man be?

                • telemachus

                  Son
                  The housing shortage is due currently to Osborne choking off Capital investment
                  We will change all that

                • Alexsandr

                  so you think we should concrete over our green and pleasant land to make homes for immigrants? have you not read about development causing flooding lower down? There are limits to the amount of land we can safely develop.

                • telemachus

                  We cannot afford to support our ageing population without the economic imput of migrants
                  Germany is getting very worried about its falling migration and poverty in the elderly
                  We should welcome them as our salvation

                • Alexsandr

                  no, we cannot afford their infrastructure costs. education, welfare, child benefit, pension liabilities, health, policing and prisons, bin emptying etc. Unless they are in quite high paid jobs they are a net drain on the public purse.
                  and they bring special costs, like translation, special measure for their kids to learn English, and some groups seem to end up in trouble with the law which is expensive.

                • telemachus

                  You really do not understand do you
                  Most Uropean countries are very worried about their contracting workforce and ageing population
                  We uniquely have the draw to pull in a dynamic energetic young workforce
                  Ukip’s great crime is in truth an economic crime
                  It is trying to wind the country into old age poverty

                • Alexsandr

                  it is you who have not read my post. Its quite simple. low paid immigrants do not benefit the public purse. so we cant afford them.

                • telemachus

                  Nor you mine
                  You must look At the whole picture
                  And please read the UCL study

                • Patricia

                  “Most Uropean countries are very worried about their contracting workforce and ageing population
                  We uniquely have the draw to pull in a dynamic energetic young workforce”
                  I’ll say it again – what happens when the immigrants become old ? We need even more to service them ? Absolutely not – immigration is a journey without end

          • Andy

            SNP are just another form of Fascists, just like you are your ghastly Labour Party.

            • telemachus

              Oh Andy Andy Andy
              We are all rehearsed by now that socialism is the antithesis of fascism

              • Alexsandr

                no. socialists seek to enforce compliance with their views with any means possible. That is fascism.

                • telemachus

                  Compliance is in the best interests of the Nation
                  And socialism remains the antithesis of fascism

                • Wessex Man

                  You ridiculous little person, the clue in Germany was National Socialist and in the USSR was Commie as in China and Cuba, do yourself a favour and get a life.

                • Alexsandr

                  Unt those who disagree vill be shot! You make yourself quite clear.

              • Andy

                Socialism IS Fascism you mindless idiot.

      • Colonel Mustard

        We need you to STFU.

        • telemachus

          The Socialist Team For Union are looking to a famous victory on 18 September

          • Colonel Mustard

            What a silly little man you are.

            75% propaganda and 25% puerile provocation. A good advert for the emptiness of your party.

            • Mynydd

              What a silly little man you are turning out to be. You are letting your hatred of the Labour party distort any common sense you may once had.

              • Colonel Mustard

                What happened to Bert3000’s almost identical comment? Is that the best you can do with your silly little Lieborg online rebuttal unit parrot squawking?

                You bet I hate the Labour party. But that is common sense for anyone who has experienced all their past rotten regimes. Your party is rubbish. Look at Wales.

                And see elsewhere for a very pertinent comment on recruitment to the NHS. Where are all the French, German and Scandinavian staff?

      • Tom Tom

        Slavery is a valuable addition to the workforce, but do you really think those coming in are ready for servitude ?

        • telemachus

          I seem to recall that the debate on the thread is that we treat the migrants as equals not slaves

          • Alexsandr

            I dont see anyone advocating slavery. Just that we control immigration to those able to offer skills that those already here cant, and at a level that our infrastructure can cope with.

            • telemachus

              Tom Tom was invoking slavery

      • Patricia

        “We need these folk to provide support to the ageing population
        Those European countries without large migrant pools of workers are projected to have contracting GDP’s and pension cuts”

        And when “these folks” themselves get old ?……

    • Tim Reed

      Here’s John Reid, admitting that Labour’s policy, via Gordon Brown, was indeed to ‘bring down the cost of labour’.

      That’s people’s wages he’s talking about so glibly.

      This brief soundbite should feature in UKIP’s election broadcasts…

      “The Treasury insisted in having a free flow of labour because they thought that it brought down the cost of labour”.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFp3S_5ZkOI

      • Cooper1992

        WE NEED TO MAKE THIS VIDEO GO VIRAL.

        If this manages to get 100,000 views than Labour will be forced to respond. I must admit this is the first I’ve seen of it, it was not reported in the newspapers…

  • duyfken

    “… if Ukip don’t win these elections, Farage will have missed his best chance to break the mould of British politics.” And for that reason alone we should do as much as we can to ensure UKIP do win.

    • telemachus

      I have never been so fearful for the future of Britain
      Farage has eyed the 2 BNP seats from last time including the seat still held by reptile Griffin
      He is directly appealing to their base issues
      When we need to conciliate he divides
      He will rot in the abyss

      • The_Missing_Think

        “I have never been so fearful for the future of Britain”
        _____

        Or perhaps more accurately:

        I have never been so fearful for the future of rLab.

        Good, in fact excellent, as your well earnt reaping has only just begun, just the tip of the iceberg, my fine thouroughbred friend.

        And you can forget 2015, because as soon as Cameron is replaced with a right-wing Tory, post Scottish Yes vote, the surging Right will easily have the numbers to own 2015.

        You ain’t seen nothing yet, mere distant clouds on the horizon.

        • telemachus

          I admire those who nail their colours to the mast
          *
          You are however I fear like the boy standing on the burning deck
          *
          And are in danger also of falling into the abyss

          • The_Missing_Think

            Nope, I’ve already been hurled head first into the Abyss of reptiles, same as you hurled all the others, despite being completely wrong. I climbed back out, but thanks all the same.

            Absorb:

            “This can be black or white”

            http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/notes/division/3/2/1/6/3

            Section 9. Explanatory notes. (2010 Equalities Act).

            • telemachus

              See above
              I shudder even more
              Do I inhabit the same land as you
              If so
              I am ashamed

              • The_Missing_Think

                It is your hands that drip with the blood of 170,000 easily avoidable savage
                mutilations, not mine.

                I have done more to end such practises in one day, than you have in your entire lifetime.

                Your shame comes from within.

      • Colonel Mustard

        I’m fearful for the future of Britain because of the existence of so many Lieborgs like you. You are the greatest threat. Steeped in your own lies and propaganda and determined to secure power by any means.

        Your party does not conciliate. It divides. It only knows how to incite grievance, hatred and envy.

      • Ben

        You have ; ” never been so fearful for the future of Britain”

        Yet your comment just previously stated that you are;

        “more than confident”

        Which is it?

        • Andy

          He is a confused Fascist Labour Party idiot. And has not had his tablets today which doesn’t help.

          • Ben

            He needs more than tablets if he genuinely holds the opinions he expresses. He needs to focus on reasoned argument based on rational evaluation of the evidence before him. In other words; He needs to THINK more and write less.

            I’m not confident this will sink in.

            • Andy

              You must remember he is a fascist and so an enemy of the people and a traitor.

              • Ben

                I’d settle for calling him a fool, Andy. That is descriptive enough I hope!

                • Andy

                  As I said, a Traitor. And anyone who believes in that evil creed called ‘Socialism’ is an enemy of all humanity.

                • Mazzzz

                  That is so true!

                • telemachus

                  Cameron’s Easter message was that we are a Christian Nation
                  I see nothing Christian in the message now being peddled by Farage
                  What is he trying to do with his posters?
                  I fear he is coming very close to inciting B

                • Ben

                  Socialism is indeed a curse

        • telemachus

          I trust that the fear of the ordinary Briton will nail the evil that we see emanating from the party with the purple colours
          It is however becoming sufficiently serious that measures will need to be considered
          I value liberty and free will but not to the point that it destroys the moral fibre of the Nation

          • Wessex Man

            ‘We haf ways of eliminating you failed comrades,’ rather let yourself down there tele.

          • The_Missing_Think

            It is however becoming sufficiently serious that measures will need to be considered
            _____

            So you’re going to ’round us up’, for our own good now?

            Tele… there’s a mask on floor, is it yours?

          • Ben

            Are you then saying that you are only prepared to accept democracy; i.e. the legal and proper manifestation of the will of your fellow citizen’s….. when it delivers a result with which you agree?

    • anyfool

      UKIPs biggest obstacle is that the likes of Telemachus counts the votes, and if you read his posts, you will find he is, one of the most deceitful liars, you would ever come into contact with.

      • telemachus

        The problem with the interpretation of that post is that revanchists style uncomfortable truths as lies

        • Colonel Mustard

          You are all over this thread like a rash. If you were confident about the prospects for your horrible party (long past its sell by date) you wouldn’t be bothered.

          The more labels and smears you throw around the more desperate and rattled you must be.

          • telemachus

            I am more than confident
            As you know Socialists do not hide their lights under a bushel

            • Colonel Mustard

              Keep it up. The more you bleat the worse your party looks. I’m sure you are paid by the Tories to post here.

              • telemachus

                Colonel Mustard
                Your visceral reactions betray you
                This thread is about the reprehensible racism of Nick Farage Griffin and his co workers
                Many were originally taken in by his hail fellow well met presentation as a reasonable hard living rightist Tory after the Tory vote
                Now we see his true colours
                *
                The very name of the party is a sham. The party is not about disengagement with Brussels
                It is about deeply rooted Powellism
                Root them out
                Send them home
                And those that do not go quietly
                Get them up against the wall
                *
                I shudder

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Tripe.

      • Colonel Mustard

        I like this post very much.

        • telemachus

          As noted

          revanchists style uncomfortable truths as lies
          (applies also to makhnovists)

          • Colonel Mustard

            Labels again eh?

            Don’t come even close to anyfool’s excellent summary of your salient attributes. And his comment is higher up the page than yours too. I like that a lot.

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