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How Nick Clegg missed his chance with Nigel Farage

26 April 2014

3:09 PM

26 April 2014

3:09 PM

At the start of the year, some of the air seemed to have gone out of the Ukip balloon. The party’s warnings about the scale of Romanian and Bulgarian immigration to Britain hadn’t been borne out by events. But the debates with Nick Clegg enabled Nigel Farage to get his momentum back. In those debates, Clegg was too passive in the first one and then over-compensated in the second with the result that he ended up losing both of them.

Clegg’s decision to not engage with Farage in the first debate meant that he missed his best chance to get under the Ukip leader’s skin. Strikingly, Farage admits to Decca Aitkenhead that if he had done that, he might well have lost his temper:

“”He really, really tried to dig me in the ribs in that second one, but I knew I was calm, I knew I was in control. I think if he’d gone down that line in the first debate, I might well have snapped. Which I would have enjoyed – but probably no one else would have.”

Farage also makes clear to Aitkenhead that he’s concentrating on disillusioned Labour voters in this campaign, hence the emphasis on immigration. If this strategy works and Ukip do top the poll, then Ed Miliband is going to come under immense pressure from his own side to offer an EU referendum.

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  • Bill_der_Berg

    In view of Mugabe’s knighthood and Ceausescu’s OBE, it would be churlish to chide Alex Salmond for seeing something to admire in V. Putin.

  • Bill_der_Berg

    When asked about the likely state of the EU in ten years time, Nick Clegg said that it will be much the same as it is today. I found Nigel Farage to be more convincing when, elsewhere in the debate, he described the EU as ‘expansionary’. That aspect of the EU explains the current quarrel with Russia over Ukraine. It is something we ignore at our peril.

  • Bill_der_Berg

    As an ordinary bloke with no political axe to grind, I was able to listen to the Farage – Clegg debates with an open mind, and I think that Mr Farage raised some points that deserved an answer.

    For instance, he pointed out that when the British joined the EU, they were given to believe that they were joining a trading bloc. As we now know, we were really signing up to a far closer union than that. So why should they be denied a referendum?

    • Conway

      Of course the elite think the plebs should be denied a referendum; hoi polloi can’t be guaranteed to vote the right way (and it gets embarrassing if you have to make people vote twice until they do).

      • Penny

        Perhaps the hoi polloi might take a tip out of Clegg’s book and look to what might be put “…in the small print”.

  • DaHitman

    UKIP won the debate because the truth will always beat the (censored) lies the Lib-Lab-Con keep spewing out

  • Tom Tom

    How do you know the scale of Bulgarian and Romanian immigration James Forsyth ? What survey methods do you use ? Do you speak Bulgarian or Romanian ? Do you know how they function ? Do you know how many Unitarians there are in the UK for instance, or how many people from Mecklenburg-Vorpommern are in the UK ?

    I am curious because we do not have a Registration System for people moving into an area, nor a requirement for local bank account and residence permit before getting a mobile phone or dwelling. So I am surprised you have such detailed knowledge of Bulgarian and Romanian immigration……do you know how many people from Sylhet live in the UK ?

    In fact local authorities are so adrift of reality many cannot even tell you default rates on Council Tax by ward

  • Mike

    The truth won out over Cleggs lies & refusal to answer a simple UKIP question with a yes / no answer, that’s why Farage won easily over Clegg. Miliband & Cameron are cowards in not locking horns with Farage but their no stupid either as they also knew they would gain nothing from a debate and would lose the argument.

    What ever the scale of exaggeration that Farage might have used, its still incontestable that the UK is effectively ruled from Brussels no matter what the LibLabCon pigs in the troughs say or their supporters in the media.

    These low life politicians are career politicos for the most part and they’ll prostitute themselves to the highest bidder whether its at Westminster or Brussels. Twenty years paying lip service to either or both establishments with unaccounted expenses and its a golden handshake and a fat pension for retirement.

    Clegg knows this and will live like a parasite from the tax payers of the UK and the EU so his not really concerned about losing out to Farage and certainly not to the electorate he dismisses out of hand.

  • pobinr

    he reason that the main parties are not defending mass scale inward immigration is because by any sane criteria, it is indefensible. This tiny set of islands is becoming over-populated, the infrastructure over-loaded, our Common Law heritage overruled and our national system of democratic government deliberately destroyed to permit our total absorption within the EU empire. It is appallingly heartless to allow unlimited numbers of workers from poor, low wage countries to pour in undercutting our own people. No government that cares about the welfare of its people would do this.
    All three establishment parties are secretly determined to reduce us to a mere collection of regions. For the first time, with Ukip, there is a concerted push to take back our country from the self styled metropolitan elites. Therefore they are now resorting to any and all means to prevent the will of the people.

    • Conway

      All three establishment parties are secretly determined to reduce us to a mere collection of regions.” That’s because they are all signed up to the EU’s project to destroy the nation state.

  • Grey Wolf

    Analysis-paralysis again.

    Nick Clegg lost by a big margin. Accept that. He lost because his arguments were facile, false and misleading. Further, his attitude was that of condescension, like a village elder lecturing the inexperienced younger members of the group.

    We must all hope that Clegg’s leadership is completely humiliated in all forthcoming elections – European, local or parliamentary.

  • Yohan Seris

    The Establishment media are really intensifying their attacks on UKIP

    Yet in 2009 The Telegraph reported that it’s costing the British taxpayer £118 Billion a year to be part of the EU,

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/6198708/EU-costs-Britain-118bn-a-year.html

    The Daily Mail reported 100 Tory MP’s won’t side with Cameron on the EU

    Like Chris Patten, Cameron is a staunch EU supporter and the recent Brexit prize winner was banned from speaking to the media where The Freedom Association expressed a motion of No Confidence in the Govt

  • Blindsideflanker

    To believe there was a perfect response from Clegg that would have undone Farrage is to delude ones self. When you are backing a losing horse there is nothing you can do to change it, crossing you fingers, crossing you legs, promising to never walk on pavement cracks, it doesn’t matter, the horse is still going to lose. Clegg and the EU fanatics are on a losing argument, the horse they are riding is an old nag and it is going to lose.

    When you hear people talk about strategy as their failure, you know they are finished, for they using a perceived strategy failure as means to delude themselves to the fact that their argument is being rejected.

  • jesseventura2

    Farage has the backing of a majority of Britons who cannot see the benefits of importing uneducated uncivilized non working high breeding black and muslim drug dealing robbers and rapists who are filling our jails?
    We welcome their diversity? NO, NO, NO ,NO
    Vote UKIP get them back home.

  • Denis_Cooper

    It would be wise to exercise some caution over the latest opinion poll mentioned below, not just because it’s only one poll but because the fieldwork was done last Thursday and Friday and the week’s smearmongering might not have had full effect.

    • Blindsideflanker

      Indeed, though the UKIP vote appears pretty solid, I think we will need to wait a week or so to see if any damage has been done to UKIP over recent days ‘revelations’

      PS I seem to have been black listed on ConHome so my regards to all Iain Moore, FlankerNo6

      • Kitty MLB

        Oh conhome strikes again , the place is now like the
        Marie Celeste. You join a long list that includes
        Iain Moore, Raddy, Saltire, Retgwte, Original Chri,
        Mobius and many who do not to bleat the party
        line-you sir/madam ( do not recognise your name)
        Join a honorable group.

        • Blindsideflanker

          Indeed, it is becoming Marie Celeste. One day you go to logon and post and get a message saying the administrator has deleted your post. I wondered if there is a technical problem so emailed them, but no response. I checked the rules of posting on Conhome, to see if I had contravened any, but no, couldn’t see anything that I might have fallen foul of. Just one day you try to post and find you have been black listed.

          As you say, if you don’t toe the party line according to Paul Goodman, you are black listed and become a non person. They do not have the decency or manners to inform you of what rules you have broken, because they can’t, so block your access, and not answer your emails.

          ConHome is sorely missing Tim Montgomery.

          • Kitty MLB

            No rules have been broken they just wish
            to portray a false image before the election.
            So have been removing people since christmas,
            they visit the account of people and then
            that is it. The policing is horrendous, I have
            not been barred myself but so many people
            I knew have, who have been posting for years
            so I cannot be bothered anymore.
            Besides the Spectator is so much better
            excellent article, your not policed, and a interesting bunch of characters.

      • Tom

        Conhome seem to have had a general purge on Ukippers, they couldn’t take the heat.

        • Blindsideflanker

          But I am not I am not a UKIPer.

          • Tom

            Thats even worse,you’re banned for what reason,being too outspoken?.

    • Penny

      ~Your point is a fair one – and there are three more weeks to go during which anything could happen, and to any one of the parties. On the other hand I think it’s possible that the UKIP bandwagon has been powered by a kind of “social acceptability” momentum.

      Farage has been depicted as a controversial character; his party associates as eccentric and/or racist. His supporters likewise. From a socially acceptable perspective it is possible that people have been reluctant to say they were in agreement with him for fear of being in the out-group. But as they saw the level of support was rising, that he was draining votes from the respectable ConLabLib parties and was rising in the polls, it is possible that this out-group fear disappeared. If that is anything like a reasonable assessment, it might be that a rise in the poll ratings, despite a terrible week, would serve only as further momentum. Whether flawed or not, it’s possible this poll could play in his favour because of the impression it creates.

  • pobinr

    My great uncle was Irish & another was Scottish. I’m also 1/16th German Jew.
    Also eleven sixteenths of my genetic make up comes from Bongo Bongo land when my ancestors left there 100,000 years ago.

    Frankly I’m shocked that the only reason you xenophobes & racists accept me is because I was born in England.

    I believe the EU should expand to include all nations & the population of the entire world should be allowed to come here to either operate car washes or serve coffee on min wage so that Starbucks can avoid even more corporation tax.

    Think of it. No more wars because we will be ruled from one centralised point. You see you can only have wars if there’s two or more points trying to rule you.

    If we concrete over our land to build homes for the entire world it will be a
    tremendous boost to our building industry & our concrete industry. Yours & mine.

    It will boost our economy & we’ll all be richer. It will also protect our
    jobs. Yours & mine.

    Think of the boost in demand for car washes the coffee they serve thanks to population increase. Yes more & more wealth. More & more boost to our economy. We’ll all be richer. You and me.

    We could boost our employment, create jobs by having factories making replicas of all the trees that we cut down to clear for land for building homes for all these new people that speak exiting different languages to us that enrich our culture & quality of life.

    Then sell those fake trees to the ever increasing population of immigrants. Yes incredible isn’t it. You guessed it. Yet more wealth from making replicas of what we cut down. You & me.

    CO2 emissions & transport costs from China would reduce because all the Chinese sweat shops will be here helping to make you & me richer.

    But don’t be too downbeat. It needn’t stop there. There are 100 billion galaxies, with a 100 billion stars in each. There must be 100 billion planets. Perhaps a billion with intelligent life.

    If we have a bold vision for the future for you & me. For us. We can build 3D cities 10,000 miles high to accommodate the beings from all those planets.

    The more aliens that come here the richer we become. You & I.
    We will welcome all of them. Even the ones like Daleks that want to kill us. In the end our compassion will win them over. They will learn to love us whether they want to or not.

    It’s a bold vision I know. But it’s the only way we can compete in a universe market place.

    But trust me. Follow me. Vote for me & I will bring you wealth & a beautiful
    harmonious world where we all love any living creature whatever it is & whatever it thinks.

    We benefit them & they benefit us. We will put their young into care in nurseries as soon as they exit their mothers wombs and they will learn how to love our playstations.

    Yes you guessed. I am Nick Clegg.
    The biggest con man & talker of bollox on the planet!

    • Holly

      So you also watched that BBC documentary on how the EU is ‘good’ for Britain.

  • Realpolitik

    He never had a chance.

  • Tim Reed

    UKIP move into the lead for first time in YouGov Euros poll

    UKIP(+4) 31

    LAB(-2) 28

    CON(-3) 19

    LD(-1) 9

    OTH(+2) 13

    http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2014/04/26/ukip-move-into-the-lead-for-first-time-in-yougov-euros-poll/

    • the viceroy’s gin

      …but…but…but… the posters are waaaaaaycist !!!

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …do you hear me ?!? I said waaaaaaycist !!!!!

        • the viceroy’s gin

          …as always, that ends the discussion for now and forever !!!

          Let me say it again… WAAAAAAAYCIST !!!

          Now watch those polls drop down to where every good bubble muppet knows they belong.

          • Tim Reed
          • you_kid

            Nah lad – just bigoted left wing protectionist anti free market tripe. Fixed it for you.

            • the viceroy’s gin

              …how’s the goat, lad?

    • Denis_Cooper

      And there are interesting regional details; as commented above, UKIP support in Scotland is not massively below that in London, and UKIP support in the North is the same as in the South East.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        It’d be a hoot if UKIP took an MEP in Jockistan.

        • Denis_Cooper

          Well, there are six seats in Scotland and in 2009 the Tories took the last but one of them with 16.8% of the votes and the LibDems took the last of them with 11.5% of the votes. Then UKIP only got 5.2% of the votes, but now it looks as if they may have a chance of winning a seat.

  • Terry Field

    Clegg missed no chances.
    He deployed his arguments
    They were garbage arguments.
    The country clearly thought they were garbage arguments.
    Clegg (the claggy name reflects the owner well)
    Non UKIP voters see Clegg does not tell the truth. They see Farage is decent and a brave patriot.
    Clegg is something else.

  • Smithersjones2013

    At the start of the year, some of the air seemed to have gone out of the
    Ukip balloon. The party’s warnings about the scale of Romanian and
    Bulgarian immigration to Britain hadn’t been borne out by events.

    Oh dear even Forsyth is spinning like a top. Shall we try it again James?

    At the start of the year, some of the air seemed to have gone out of the
    Ukip balloon. The party’s warnings about the scale of Romanian and
    Bulgarian immigration to Britain hadn’t YET been borne out by events.

    Only the most bovine of idiots in the Westminster Freakshow seemed to believe that hundreds of thousands of Romas and Bulgars would swarm across the channel in January. Of course we’ve now had net immigration figures that once again demonstrate that Cameron is on target to welcome over 1 million immigrants net into this country during his five years of premiership (those numbers being increasingly swelled by eastern European migrants attracted by the relative;in terms of the EU; economic prosperity of the UK).

  • saffrin

    Lenny Henry makes a racist comment claiming there are not enough ethnic minority faces on television and then somehow, because a ‘UKIP’ council candidate replied with “He should emigrate to a black country. He does not have to live with whites.” MSM are claiming; “Ukip in new racism row after Lenny Henry insult”

    • Denis_Cooper

      And the Daily Mail reported:

      “Another row blew up yesterday after David Challice, a leading party activist in the South West, placed an advert in his local newspaper …”

      Eh, yes, it was “after” he placed that advert, well “after”, in fact five years “after” …

      This is the kind of thing that happened during the AV referendum campaign and would inevitably also happen during an “in-out” referendum on the EU.

  • Full Name

    More like…

    Q: Why did Clegg NOT TAKE his chance to talk up the virtues of the Pro-EU?

    A: Because he knew it would reveal the depth of loss of sovereignty to do so.

    Most Pro-EU’s are therefore actually Anti-EUsceptics and act like it.

  • Conway

    In those debates, Clegg was too passive in the first one and then
    over-compensated in the second with the result that he ended up losing
    both of them.
    ” I suppose it would not cross your mind that he lost because he had no arguments? He didn’t make any sort of case for staying in. Instead he used dodgy stats and tried to tell us the sky would fall in if we dared to rule ourselves.

    • Holly

      Or it could be that he’s a snivelling, two faced, flip-flopping, limp wristed,(just short of) lefty.
      I could be wrong though.

  • callingallcomets

    Air out of UKIP balloon, James? Only at your North London dinner parties. Since January the polls have shown no UKIP slippage, new members have been flooding in and the party has been gaining support in council by elections.
    Soon you will be running out of straw men…..

  • Mynydd

    Even if UKIP win 100% of the vote next month we will still be in the EU. For UKIP to bring us out of the EU they must win the majority of seats in next years parliamentary election. Me I’ll vote for the person who will best represent my interest in the EU and British parliaments. I’ll not waste my vote on UKIP.

    • cartimandua

      None of it is a waste. Ukip has pushed the other parties into some (not enough but some) listening.

  • the viceroy’s gin

    Clegg, like Dave and the Millipede and the rest of the bubble muppets, are too stupid to understand that insurgent grassroots movements ebb and flow, depending on events. UKIP will undoubtedly slip back under the public radar after May 22, whatever the outcome, simply because that’s what happens to such groups, as occurred last year after the local elections that UKIP overperformed in. The MSM will only cover them if they are forced to, and thus UKIP are expected to go off and do what they do in councils and Brussels absent significant attention.

    But if the establishment muppets take that all as evidence that UKIP is disappearing, as the Speccie kid is doing above, then they will receive a rude surprise, much like the one they’ll receive next month. The grassroots insurgencies tend to spring back into prominence, once the People get back involved in affairs.

    • starfish

      ‘Bubble muppets’ – excellent! !!

    • you_kid

      Advertising protectionist anti free market scaremongering will not convince anyone, lad. The number of bigots in Britain is finite.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …can any other of you socialist nutters translate this gibberish?

        • Penny

          I think I may have caused the gibberish tally to increase.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            You have to understand, that particular poster trolls this site, changing identities every few weeks or so, but always surfacing to spew the socialist nutter dogma. It’s not worth much of your time, I should think .

      • Penny

        But this bigotry of which you speak must already have been present and residing among the other parties. Perhaps you are not so concerned about bigotry itself, but by where it casts its vote.

        • you_kid

          Or perhaps I am indeed, that is why I highlight it?

          • Penny

            You must then focus some attention on ConLabLib. Even the most shallow internet search using the terms “councillor suspended”, and prefixed by, alternately, Conservative, Labour and LibDem, will turn up a satisfying number of incidents involving racism, homophobia, incitement, sexual harrassment and accusations of child rape.

            Bigotry is an awful thing – but hypocrisy holds no merit either.

            • you_kid

              The difference, dear Penny, is that only UKIP walk round pointing at you saying ‘they want your job’ whilst the only ones in gainful employment in UKIP are paid by ‘them’.
              Hypocrisy does not get any better than this … oh hang on … there is more. Do you care for more?

              • Penny

                You assume I am a UKIP member / supporter. What I am is an ex local politician who dislikes dirty politics.

                If you think a finger-pointing poster is worse than the things I listed above then you have a most peculiar notion of bigotry.

                • you_kid

                  Ok, dear Penny, you asked for it.
                  In the end it’s not about bigotry (many will fall into that category), it’s about integrity.

                  Now, I would say I knew quite a few people in life that I admire for their integrity, their ethical stance, their conviction with regards to supporting commonly understood virtues. I know, an efficient military man might not always fall into that category, nor would a top-performance banker perhaps, but a politician always should. That is what is lacking in many parties but in particular in UKIP.

                  The urge to make a positive case, the desire to convince with visionary not reactionary thinking. What I have seen so far, UKIP rank lowest of any major party in that category. They simply do not have a convincing positive vision.
                  I understand why they are ‘popular’ – but that is what ‘populist’ means ultimately, doesn’t it.

                • Penny

                  You opened with the case against bigotry, you_kid. I have responded to that. Now we’ve shifted the goal posts away from the “bigotry” position and onto “integrity”. After which you make no real point except to state your own opinion about UKIP. It’s fine that you share it, but in the great scheme of things it hardly furthers the argument in any direction.

                  The urge to make a positive case is commendable – except it simply isn’t happening, is it? Rather than setting out the respective party arguments, the MSM cannot get its head out of the smear bucket. Meanwhile pro-EU supporters are peppering blogs – not to set out any sensible stall, but to bait and swipe at UKIP supporters. I’ve no idea why they think this will make the case for silent visitors ( of which there are more than those who post). It really won’t. It may be fun to bait, jeer and jibe – but it won’t win the case.

                • you_kid

                  My position is clear – bigotry and integrity are diametrically opposite traits, that is how they are connected, that is how the argument is connected. Painful to note you didn’t pick up on that. The positive case is not yet another *negative case against* someone/something, it is the realisation that there is a future and what that future can be. I will not outline that again here other than to assert that UKIP are not making it.
                  You will have to come to terms with the fact that people have not spent their time trolling websites for months on end like well-known UKIP ranters who have checked the mood of the people. A positive case is either made or it isn’t. Fear will perhaps work, it does not work for me. This applies to both the UKIP position to the EU as it does to the Scottish voters taking their pick.

                  I have at numerous occasions highlighted how these two seemingly unconnected events are in fact deeply connected. UKIP will play its part and thereafter the chicken will come home to roost.

                • Penny

                  I hope you will not take it amiss when I say that this is utter gobblydegook.

                  I fear all you have highlighted on numerous occasions is the impenetrable. Which is a pity because, as I said, you have the opportunity to make a clear case for continued EU membership and you are squandering it by dotting threads with gibberish.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Yes, you have struck on the word many of us use to describe this particular troll: “impenetrable”.

                  Save your breath. This person is truly not worth the bandwidth. Your arguments are well made, but the response will inevitably be impenetrable gibberish.

                • Penny

                  I’ve seen him here and about and have seldom understood any of his comments.

                • Bill_der_Berg

                  Most people judge politicians by their actions and honesty rather than by the ‘visionary’ quality of their campaign speeches. That is why public trust in politicians is at an all time low, if opinion polls are to be believed.

      • Bill_der_Berg

        Allow me to point out that If the pro-EU crowd are right in saying that our trade with the EU will suffer if we leave the EU, then it must follow that the EU is not a free market. In fact, we know that it’s not.

  • Kitty MLB

    Nigel Farage has drawn a line in the sand and said his ‘peoples army’ will be
    those disillusioned Labour voters.
    I did wonder what beguiling inveiglements he would have for grass root Tories like myself- but I don’t think he plays games.. besides he has made his honourable choice.
    Clegg showed in those debates that he was a poodle to the EU, as apposed to Farage
    being a British Bulldog.
    Cleggie could not give a toss about excessive immigration and Labour those who
    gave away our sovereignty more then anyone else refuses to speak about the EU.
    Yet the elephant in the room is actually the damage that has been done by Labour
    filling the country with those from middle eastern countries, that wish to change the face of the UK and some wish to do us harm.
    In defence of those from within the EU is at least they are our neighbours and come
    from Christian countries.. Its just we have no control on whom or how many people.

    • telemachus

      Yet the elephant in the room is actually the damage that has been done by Labour filling the country with those from middle eastern countries, that wish to change the face of the UK and some wish to do us harm.
      In defence of those from within the EU is at least they are our neighbours and come from Christian countries.. Its just we have no control on whom or how many people.
      *
      Sadly Kitty this is even more racist than Farage
      A true Smethwick comment

      • Colonel Mustard

        Sadly true though.

      • Alexsandr

        discussing immigration is NOT racist. Just because you keep saying something is racist does not make it so. Now go and play with your play doh.

        • telemachus

          Did you see the posters
          That is not discussing immigration
          On Wednesday I had posts deleted for documenting slogans that were prevalent in 1964
          *
          Google Patrick Gordon Walker

          • Alexsandr

            i saw the posters. they are right. we are allowing foreigners to take our youths future.

            • telemachus

              And the immigrants in the Northern tows saw them
              And they ruminated on the security of their own positions even if legitimate residents now
              *
              He needs to get back up there and apologise

          • the viceroy’s gin

            You had posts deleted for throwing around slur and slag, like any common cretin.

            • Alexsandr

              he is like all lefties. think if you say something enough it becomes true. Idiot.

      • Kitty MLB

        I am deeply wounded Telemachus, my wording could have been chosen better but I am profoundly not racist and you know
        it. Hindus, Buddhists and Sikh’s have been living here for decades
        and have embraced this country and we them. But some ( not all)
        from the middle east deplore our values and traditions, and are
        intolerant- you know this and speaking up for your own country is not
        racist- take those words back…

        • telemachus

          There is a saying that those who are not with us are against us
          *
          It is incumbent on each and every one of us who think about these things to oppose this very dangerous turn of events

          • Alexsandr

            Yes, we must find those with intent againt us and expel them. Those who take the Koran too literally I mean.

          • Colonel Mustard

            “It is incumbent on each and every one of us who think about these things to oppose this very dangerous turn of events”

            Because you say so? Pure national socialism. The desire to coerce conformity of belief in society. You are a fascist.

            • Kitty MLB

              I wonder what he meant by that remark,
              its all cloak and mirror from telemacus.

          • Kitty MLB

            Who are you with Telemachus,old beansprout?
            The Mrs Duffy’s & Mr Patel’s of this country
            both love the UK, the latter person has been
            living here working and living peacefully
            for decades.And can see how much this
            country has changed for the worse,
            or are you on the side of that chap
            with a hook for a hand and hates England?

            • Wessex Man

              Well on another thread, he reckoned that he stood as a candidate for UKip but then became disillusioned with UKip and left, I have asked him on numerous occasions where and when he stood, alas there has never been a reply, I think he may be fibbing!

              • Kitty MLB

                He has been saying the same to the Colonel.
                Do not believe a word of it , the telemachus
                nose must be even longer then pinoccio’s.
                major porkies !

      • Fergus Pickering

        How dare you insult the divine Kitty. You are a bounder, sir. If I owned a horsewhip I would employ it on you.

      • Fergus Pickering

        How dare you speak ill of Kitty. Wash your mouth out with soap you horrible little man and go and sit on the naughty step until further notice.

  • T00th_Fairy

    ” The party’s warnings about the scale of Romanian and Bulgarian immigration to Britain hadn’t been borne out by events.”

    Well this is too early to say, given that the first quarters figures on the issue of National Insurance numbers by the DWP are not being released until the 22nd May 2014.

    Now… I wonder what is happening on that day? Oh yes there is an election. Cynical me thinks that the government are withholding these numbers.

    Egg on face time for some party or other. My betting is UKIP are right.

  • Rhoda Klapp8

    Clegg was rubbish in both debates and in the second he seemed to have learnt nothing, parroting prepared soundbites seemingly designed to appeal to his own side. Most of them were actual lies. Those three million jobs, that one was blown apart years ago. The Norway lie. People can see that, you know. They are more likely to respond to Farage’s bloky schtick.

    Clegg was rubbish. James does not seem to have noticed that. And the performances of the other two leaders? Not turning up did them no favours either.

  • Lady Magdalene

    The only possible justifications for staying in the EU are political – there are no trade advantages whatsoever that aren’t just as available from outside. That’s why Clegg continually repeats the discredited lie that 3 million jobs depend on EU membership.

    But The British Establishment and the pro-EU LibLabCON daren’t make a political argument, because they never had a mandate for that. It would mean admitting that we are en route to a United States of Europe and then UKIP’s arguments about Sovereignty, Democracy and self-governance really would be unavoidable.

  • cartimandua

    Iv gone right off “have I got news for you”. They were just nasty sneering schoolboys.

    • Denis_Cooper

      Last night the producers decided that the first third of the programme should be devoted to slagging off UKIP. It wasn’t even funny, and nor was the rest of the programme. Ian Hislop seems to have converted into a staunch defender of the EU, which taints everything else he does as far as I’m concerned.

      • Frank

        Who was the strange woman on last night’s show? Really quite snide and not witty at all

      • HenryWood

        Thanks for bringing this up about Hislop – my subs to Private Eye are due in May and I’ve just cancelled the DD. I also do not like the way the BBC is given a free ride by the magazine these days though I suppose Hislop was brought up to not bite the hand that feeds him.

        • Colonel Mustard

          Hislop has sold out. His Olden Days programme was nauseating wall-to-wall BBC revisionism and they even gave air time to some druid loon calling himself King Arthur to spout off about austerity and the wicked Tories.

          • Wessex Man

            You are so so right, The article in the BBC History magazine on the 500th anniversary of the Battle of Flodden Field is one of the most one-eyed racist propaganda driven articles I’ve other seen, I used to buy it regularly for the grandchildren and cancelled my D/D straigt awat!

      • an ex-tory voter

        HIGNFY has not been funny for years now. Like the rest of the BBC comedy output it invariably promotes a lefty world view and concentrates all of it’s “satire”on anyone with a right of centre political stance. It is years since I watched the show, or any BBC current affairs programme.
        As for Hislop I am passed a copy of Private Eye by a subscriber and apart from an occasional glance to confirm that it’s bias remains unchanged it goes straight to where it deserves to be, i.e. the recycle bin.

      • launcher

        I have cancelled my Private Eye subscription of some 35 years because I see Hislop as nothing other than a BBC lapdog.

      • Fergus Pickering

        The German guy was funny, though, if that’s the one we are talking about. And he pissed Hislop off which is always good.

        • Denis_Cooper

          That was the week before, it was Johnny Vegas on Friday.

          • Fergus Pickering

            So they’re STILL at it. Fools.

    • Fergus Pickering

      Very true.Hislop is rather a snob and in love with respectability.

      • cartimandua

        I used to quite like him. We used to have a mutual friend and children playing matches against each other in prep schools. Our mutual friend was always “getting into social scrapes”. I once got her out of one and had a brilliant smile from him.
        The anti Ukip stuff wasn’t even funny.

        • Kitty MLB

          I thought when Nigel Farage was on there a few
          weeks back he showed what a good sport he was, despite how much was thrown at him,
          by those who find themselves amusing.

          • cartimandua

            Indeed

          • Penny

            Several years ago Hislop behaved appalling towards Boris Johnson. I had, up to that point, liked Ian and didn’t care much for Boris. However, seeing the bully in the former and the very gentlemanly way Johnson handled the harrassment caused me to reverse my opinions on them both.

        • Fergus Pickering

          Tired and snobbish. The man has gone soft in the head.

  • JackyTreehorn

    Clegg and the Eurofanatics have a big problem winning any discussion about the benefits for Britain being in the EU.
    There aren’t that many they can point to that we couldn’t achieve as an independent nation but many we could at a fraction of the cost.
    No matter how much lipstick Clegg and his fellow career politians put on the lips of a pig it will still be a pig.

  • JackyTreehorn

    Clegg and the Eurofanatics have a big problem winning any discussion about the benefits for Britain being in the EU.
    There aren’t that many they can point to that we couldn’t achieve as an independent nation but many we could at a fraction of the cost.
    No matter how much lipstick Clegg and his fellow career politians put on the lips of a pig it will still be a pig.

    • telemachus

      Forget Clegg
      This is yet another Speccie thread on Farage
      After the disgraceful racist performance this week we should all be denying him the oxygen of publicity

      • Alexsandr

        Racist? where is your evidence?

        • Colonel Mustard

          That just shows how desperate they are and how much Farage has them all rattled.

          • Alexsandr

            yes we will have hooky in here spouting his cr@p soon enough.

            • HookesLaw

              Lennie Henry to you too.

              You are the bigoted one full do cr@p

              • g1lgam3sh

                Katanga.

                Explain that one away.

          • Ooh!MePurse!

            I won’t be voting Ukip. I cannot see how the posters can possibly be regarded as racist. To term them so is an insult to the victims of real racists.

            • Cyril Sneer

              Indeed. It is a perversion. It is sick to make such clearly false accusations and the likes of the Guardian and BBC complicit in these deranged slanderous accusations.

        • telemachus

          Farage is a clever cookie
          Clegg gave him the in
          And he felt the time right last Wednesday to show us what he truly was about

          • Alexsandr

            he wants to control immigration and exit the EU. discussing immigration and the effect on the people already here is not racist. Its a genuine matter for discourse. The metropolitan elite lefties like you are out of touch with what the man in the street thinks.

            • telemachus

              The billboards were in inflammatory language in places with large immigrant communities
              That is frankly racist
              *
              He did not do that on National Television
              He knew it might not go out

              • Alexsandr

                well some of the immigrant community I know are fed up with immigration. they know its got out of hand too. So you are clearly talking out of your hat.

                • telemachus

                  It is common experience that those who have achieved membership of an exclusive club wish to prevent their privilege being diluted
                  *
                  That is not the issue here
                  Rather the fear being induced in the immigrants and the inflammatory divisiveness caused

                • Alexsandr

                  why do those posters put fear into thiose already here. UKIP has no policy of repatriation, just restricting immigration. Stop scaremongering without cause.

                • telemachus

                  I am re- reading Alan Bullock’s Study in Tyranny in which I found the quote

                  “The idea of struggle is as old as life itself, for life is only preserved because other living things perish through struggle. … In this struggle, the stronger, the more able, win, while the less able, the weak, lose. Struggle is the father of all things. … It is not by the principles of humanity that man lives or is able to preserve himself above the animal world, but solely by means of the most brutal struggle…. If you do not fight for life, then life will never be won”
                  Farage is kicking the weak when they are down

                • Alexsandr

                  i find most of my struggles are with a stupid government. We have far too much government.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  You have sunk to a new low with that one. The closest Britain has ever come to experiencing a national socialist government was from 1997 to 2010. This idea of the perpetual “struggle” is perhaps the single greatest deceit of the Labour party (and Fabians) which they share with Hitler. Their real struggle is the struggle to secure power over us by any means possible and then to politicise every aspect of society exactly as the national socialists did.

                  Just as the national socialists in Germany created demons to do this so with the Labour party.

                  It is not Farage’s UKIP that poses the greatest threat to societal cohesion in Britain but your precious Labour party who have largely brought us to this point. If Scotland leaves the UK that will be down to their wretchedness too.

                • Holly

                  We can not be the only two people in Britain who has sussed this out.

                • Wessex Man

                  You are not believe me, the more they smear the stronger we get!

                • Barakzai

                  Hookes Law likes to portray the CoffeeHouse readership as a UKIP fruitloop site, but it’s instructive that Jacky Treehorn at the top of the thread attracts 85 upticks and Colonel Mustard 63 a little further on. I’m certain that many are natural conservatives who have little regard for Cameron’s version of bubble-serving Toryism . . .

                • Fergus Pickering

                  Perhaps I misremember. Does not the EU wish to pass laws making critxcism of said EU a criminal offence?

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Actually it is becoming increasingly difficult to find documentation about this as websites and links are disabled in a procedure which is extra-judicial and subject neither to scrutiny nor redress:-

                  http://www.theeuroprobe.org/?p=469

                  “The ruling stated that the commission could restrict dissent in order to “protect the rights of others” and punish individuals who “damaged the institution’s image and reputation”.”

                  As with all of this stuff it is incremental drip-drip, advancing by small stages without proper parliamentary scrutiny or debate and any attempt to highlight or combat it is scorned as conspiracist, Daily Mail scaremongering, etc.

                  If you check the Government’s legislation website there is a scale by which you can see how much the output of statutory law has increased in recent decades. This bureaucratic tide is very similar to the national socialist model of politicisation of society where gradually all aspects of life come within regulation and bureaucratic control and there is less freedom to oppose it. Society is transformed into a classroom. We are already at a stage where people have to think consciously about what they might not say or write

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  ——————“A Fascist power is one which takes over a nation by assuming the people’s sovereign powers for itself. It politicises the nation’s judiciary, and then denies the people their lawful rights and liberties by ignoring their constitutional constraints and rule of law.

                  ———————-In order to assert its power still further, a Fascist power will increasingly introduce draconian laws affecting the masses in order to suppress and demoralise them. A Fascist power is one which robs the people’s sense of identity by denying them their lawful rights and customs…”

                • telemachus

                  Bernard Connolly wrote a book “aggressive, derogatory and insulting” to his direct employers and the European Court said it was reasonable to sack him from the European Commission

                  It should be remembered part of his job was to implement the Euro and yet he suggested that Economic and Monetary Union was a threat to “peace”
                  All the court were doing was saying that he could be sacked for working against the aims of the post to which he was employed
                  *
                  Mustard knows this and yet he writes the tripe below(or above by the time the ticks get going

                • Colonel Mustard

                  You don’t understand the concept of precedent do you? Far from being tripe you should better understand the implications. But of course you reds never understand the consequences of the fat headed utopian garbage you try to coerce conformity with.

                  “The ruling stated that the commission could restrict dissent in order to “protect the rights of others” and punish individuals who “damaged the institution’s image and reputation”.”

                  ” . . . the advocate-general, Damaso Ruiz-Jarabo Colomer, . . . implied that Mr Connolly’s criticism of the EU was akin to extreme blasphemy, and therefore not protected speech.”

                  Got that?

                • telemachus

                  Get what
                  That the European Court had signed up to the principles of Common Law
                  You are worse than the DT scare stories of the time

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Those are not the principles of Common Law but the exact opposite. Even in the 18th Century we had got over the idea of seditious pamphleteering being a crime.

                  Labelling them as scare stories is precisely how you and your common purpose/Fabian comrades keep them beneath the radar.

                • g1lgam3sh

                  You’re a bit special aren’t you.

                  Bless.

                  I don’t visit here very often, but now that I’ve seen your comedy potential and propensity for farce, I think I’ll pull up a chair.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  He gets better and better I do assure you. A pearl!

                • Andy

                  You should read Bernard Connolly’s book, ‘The Rotten Heart of Europe’. If you did read it, you stupid Fascist Labour Party troll, you would discover that everything Connolly wrote, which is a critic of the ERM, was and is correct.

                • Wessex Man

                  You are correct, it’s called the Toleration Directive, which designed to be intolerant to any that dare critise the EU, vote UKip!

                • Kitty MLB

                  Clearly Labour don’t even speak about the EU
                  now, did you hear their little ditty about the
                  EU election, they didn’t mention the EU once.
                  It was all about Cameron. And yet they are a pro- EU party. If its not worth a mention
                  then why support it. I hope UKIP gives
                  them a thrashing- well both Labour & the EU.

                • you_kid

                  Is there anything else to talk about?
                  The left wing anti free market scaremongering ads from UKIP delivered the message, no need for any other party to engage.

                  The number of bigots in the British electorate is finite.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …and the number of firing synapses in your socialist nutter brain is very finite, lad.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  Define bigot, old fruit. What makes a bigot? Someone who disagrress with you?

              • Cyril Sneer

                “The billboards were in inflammatory language in places with large immigrant communitiesThat is frankly racist”

                No, no it isn’t. It really is that simple. It isn’t racist.

                • telemachus

                  But putting the billboards in areas of Asian, not East European immigration gives us a different conclusion

                • Michele Keighley

                  Racism is defined by law … look it up!

                  The billboards do NOT come within that definition and therefore are not racist; now read that over again and say it to yourself three time a day and maybe, just maybe you will get it.

                  Just because you think YOU can define ‘racism’ any way you want to conform to your twisted thinking does not necessarily make it so.

              • Fergus Pickering

                Oh, you meann it would be censored by the Beebluvvies, meaning you good self and your mates?

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Utterly dishonest rubbish.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            If they gave medals for idiocy you would fall over from the weight of all your awards.

        • ButcombeMan

          There is none. The cry racism is used to try to shut down debate on regaining control of the UK borders. We must do that, three countries that will always be a target for immigrants are the UK, the USA and Australia.
          If we fail to deal with it our social model will be overwhelmed.

          Clegg failed against Farage because he could not argue the benefits of POLITICAL union in the EU. For the UK there are none. This issue is the vacuum at the heart of the Euro federalist position. Even Clegg must know that. A POLITICAL union with continental countries is not within the DNA of the British.

          • telemachus

            You are conflating very separate issues here
            *
            Let us suppose you are correct on racialism it does not follow that we should not do something to control our borders
            The EU migrations of EU citizens do not threaten our way of life
            In addition I detect no appetite for federalism and any further changes require treaty changes which will not get thru the French veto let alone Cameron and his successors
            *
            Merkel is so desperate to impose fiscal discipline on the South Europeans that she will allow Cameron reasonable changes which is all most UK voters want
            *
            Farage knows all this but goes to the heart of Asian immigration and puts up billboards inducing fright about jobs
            Most commentators have concluded that this is evidence of racism

            • Fergus Pickering

              Most commentators? You mean you in your various guises. And why should not Great Nigel puit up billboards where he likes? It’s called free speech, not a thing you approve iof I know, but there it is.

            • ButcombeMan

              Your third para on Merkel exemplifies all that is wrong with the EU, a murky possible deal to sort out the future of Britain, done between two leaders actively hated by large parts of their electorate.

              You have no understanding of what you say. It is not for you (or Cameron) to decide what most voters want.

              Your plea about “commentators” is of course part of the whole shabby set up. Many of these commentators are complicit. That is why, in panic, UKIP is under such attack.

              The problem for LibLabCon is that the voting public now understands, it is not listening. The more UKIP is attacked, the more suport it gains and holds.

              • Colonel Mustard

                Indeed. I am hoping that with regard to Westminster UKIP will become England’s SNP and the more negativity levelled at them the stronger they will become.

                • telemachus

                  The little englanders not surprisingly wish to emulate the little scotlanders

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Oh gawd, the ‘little englander’ jibe comes out of the bag of tediously predictable lefty finger pointing, complete with lower case. The idea that by putting those titles in lower case you can pretend to dismiss the groundswell of opinion that is going to hurl you and the other stinking reds into the dustbin of oblivion is laughable. It also reveals the Anglophobia that lies behind your mask.

                • Kitty MLB

                  Telemachus, you are getting yourself into
                  a pickle over UKIP and have even lost your
                  sense of humour( not that a socialist should
                  have one) You know that we will probably
                  have a coalition next year between Labour
                  and UKIP….or Conservatives and UKIP.
                  No one will get a majority and the Lib Dums
                  are history…So just pop thee dummy back in.

              • telemachus

                But Cameron is listening and cobbling a deal requiring treaty change and therefore subject to the will of the people

        • HookesLaw

          Come off it.
          After the latest ‘Lennie Henry’ tweet even the most dim must recognise the intolerant racism of UKIP

          • Wessex Man

            I cannot really believe the censoring going on on this site nowadays, to have one comment under consideration after faithfully reporting an actual newpaper article, then removing the word which I think may have caused offense have then next comment ‘under consideration’ is unbelievable!

            • the viceroy’s gin

              Well, the Speccie teenagers have to do their part for the bubble luvvies, you know:

              Keep

              Calm

              And

              Smear

              UKIP

              • Wessex Man

                Have you heard the one about the Tory Mayor of Swindon? His name is Nick Martin who had to resign when he said of disabled people- ” Do we still let these ******s have *** with each other?”

                This is of course edited because we are not allowed to critize the Tories as they are allowed to get away with all sorts of strange things.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Yes, these bubble muppets hold the high ground, and they are flinging mud down from it. It’s despicable, but this was all predictable. They have no arguments. None.

              • Conway

                Indeed – it’s working a treat. Support for UKIP is soaring!

          • Michele Keighley

            Diane Abbot anybody?

        • DaHitman

          Everyone is racist to them when they don’t agree with them, the race card was created by these left-wing (censored)s

      • Colonel Mustard

        You are the one who should be denied the oxygen of publicity.
        *
        Or just oxygen.

      • Inverted Meniscus

        A disgraceful and shameful comment. I am not a UKIP supporter but Farage is no racist. He has a German wife for goodness sake. I notice that you tag all the top comments in an attempt to destroy debate and peddle dishonest nonsense. You are a disgrace.

        • Erictheowl

          Would it not be worth just ignoring teletubby altogether for a couple of topics? No responses, no ticks down, nothing – just get on with the discussion and see if he won’t go away. Or is it too much fun baiting him on a slow evening?

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Only if we all complied but his comments are so odious and stratospherically ignorant that it is difficult to resist slapping the disgusting little idiot down.

      • Smithersjones2013

        You know when Labour are in trouble when they resort to squealing ‘racist’ at people….

        • Fergus Pickering

          But they always do that.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Yes because they are always in trouble.

      • Cyril Sneer

        It’s just such a shame the downvote doesn’t work any more.

        “Racist performance”

        There are laws against hate speech and racism… no one seems to be arresting Nigel Farage… or banning UKIP…. oh dear for you. The more you lefties shout ‘racist’, the more that will vote UKIP. Keep it up.

        But, you know, false accusations of racism should be made a crime.

      • Realpolitik

        I agree, lots of disgusting racism has come to light, but don’t you think it’s odd that it all of a sudden comes out in the build-up to the European elections? So basically the other parties are using ad homs rather than addressing the real issues of pros and cons of our membership

        Sadly morons like you have swallowed it hook line and sinker.

      • Fergus Pickering

        What disgraceful racist performance, Tele. I’ve been away in the land of Mrs Merkel – and very nice it is too. Even the muslims, being Turks, are nicer and not intent on blowing us poor white folks up. So what has the wicked nigel been doing?.

        • Kitty MLB

          Hope you asked Mrs Merkel if we could leave the
          EU. Cameron is too polite, Merkel probably cries
          about losing Sarkozy and not liking Holland
          And Cameron says there, there don’t worry your
          pretty head about the EU, I have everything
          under control…..
          Hope you had a excellent holiday, Fergus,
          old stick.

          • Fergus Pickering

            Granny Merkel is obviously a nice lady but what she wants is not what we want so a bit of ‘Nein!’ is probably in order.

      • Bill_der_Berg

        It is high time that the three main parties announced that they do not want the votes of bigots (ie those who believe that the UK should control its own borders). It would be a bold step but they would then enjoy the priceless benefit of occupying the moral high ground.

    • an ex-tory voter

      The Eurofanatics are that precisely because they are working towards political union and the creation of a single state.
      That state can only come into existence once the various national institutions, including national government, have been hollowed out or destroyed. The Eurofantics biggest problem is that in virtually every member state were it to be revealed this process of hollowing out and destruction would result in their own political annihilation, or open rebellion by nationalists willing to risk all in order to save their nation.
      It follows therefore that the process must be achieved by clandestine means and that clandestine purpose is precisely what Nigel Farage and UKIP are fighting against. Hence the issues they raise are virtually all connected with the preservation of national identity and national democracy.
      UKIP’s political enemies cannot publicly debate these issues without revealing their clandestine methods and true intentions. They are therefore forced to ignore the issues raised by UKIP and resort to attempting to shut down debate using the usual weapon of choice “political correctness”.
      Sadly for the Conservatives, for Labour and for the Liberal Democrats despite all the mud slung on their behalf Nigel Farage has remained virtually unscathed.

      • Conway

        Anyone who has been to Brussels and seen what’s written on the walls of the EU parliament building should have no illusion that what is intended is the destruction of the nation state and the establishment of a United States of Europe. It’s nearly there; it has a constitution, an anthem, a flag (and a military flag ceremony), a parliament, a bank, a currency, a diplomatic corps and it’s working on getting an army. The only things it doesn’t (and never will) have are a demos, common language and culture, and consent of the people. If you don’t want to become a region in the USE, your only option is to vote UKIP in the European elections, the local elections and the General Election. Anything else will be seen as endorsement of the Project.

    • bugshead

      Yes, I was thinking about the lipstick analogy when I saw Clegg’s ghastly wife speak out the other day

  • Bill_der_Berg

    It is a pity that Cleggie missed the chance to announce that he wanted an immediate and thorough investigation into the allegations concerning Cyril Smith. Instead, he acted only with reluctance under strong pressure from the media.

    • Andy

      He hasn’t acted at all over Cyril Smith.

      • Bill_der_Berg

        My mistake. He has called for a police inquiry. That does not count as taking action.

      • g1lgam3sh

        Of course he has, just like he acts about everything else.

        Admittedly he is very far from Oscar material.

  • LB

    Farage missed it with Clegg.

    When Clegg went on about getting tough with migrants and how they had to earn 150 a week for 3 months before they filled their boots with a share of the fixed benefits pot, Farage should have pointed out they had sold access for less than 2 p a day.

  • Kitty MLB

    James, dear chap, what chance did Nickie the deceiver have?
    A cross between pantomime horse and spinless, slippery octopus
    with its evereaching tentacles dragging us towards his beloved
    EU. It was man against boy, Cleggie the boy who so wants
    to be emperor and will use all manner of trickery to achieve his
    aim and lost.

    • telemachus

      ‘There is a suaveness about Nickie, a spot of nonchalance
      within his countenance and strength , all of which some ladies find beguiling.
      He used to resemble a pre- French revolutionary aristocrat, travelling within his
      carriage, pale, slightly plumb with a silk hankie at his nose.’

      *

      ‘Mr Morgan insisted that there had been other women in his life and he replied: “Yes OK, well, not for a very long time.”

      When Morgan asked to know how many, Mr Clegg attempted to brush off the question by answering: “Not a list as long as yours, I’m sure”.

      But the interviewer would not be deflected, asking: “How many are we talking: 10, 20, 30?” “No more than 30,” replied Mr Clegg.’

      • Kitty MLB

        You scoundrel , Telemachus. You know I was making’ the pre- French
        revolutionary ‘….and all the rest of those words in regards to George
        Osborne elsewhere on another thread and you have copied it and
        brought it here, saying I am speaking of Clegg- I am speechless .
        Mind you I would not mind sending Clegg to the guillotine- would
        you like to join him…I can hold the basket for a couple of heads.

        • Colonel Mustard

          He does that, creeping about for quotes that he can twist and misrepresent, like the Gollum of the Coffee House.

          • telemachus

            Besotted

            • Colonel Mustard

              I wouldn’t call you ‘besotted’, more compulsive obsessive with megalomaniac tendencies.

            • Inverted Meniscus

              Idiot.

            • Kitty MLB

              This being besotted is just one way, poor chap.

            • g1lgam3sh

              Unhinged

  • Bellevue

    It strikes me that the people are becoming really angry. Every 5 years we are ‘allowed’ to have our say…… and are then ignored in between elections. Laws are made that werent in manifestos, and manifesto promises are dropped.
    It is no wonder that many of us are furious, and just want to give the Lib/Lab/Con a kicking. Ditto the EU elites.
    And now, AT LAST, we have a way of doing so via UKIP. Will the elites, listen? I very much doubt it…… they deserve everything that is coming their way.

    • Hello

      “Laws are made that weren’t in manifestos, and manifesto promises are dropped”

      I know. It’s ridiculous. There was nothing about the Antarctic Act in the Conservative or Liberal Democrat manifestos. Where was our referendum on that? Personally, I feel quite strongly about many of the provisions as, I’m quite sure, many of my compatriots do. It’s a disgrace that we weren’t given an opportunity to exercise our democratic right to interfere in the dull day-to-day operations of the government!

    • Kitty MLB

      ‘Manifesto promises are dropped’ That unfortunately is
      the curse of coalitions ( of every kind and regardless of country) backroom deals resulting in a coalition agreement
      That pleases no one except a few, party before country.
      It is so very undemocratic that the Lib Dems who got
      About 14% by lying to students now act like cat that got
      the cream.

      • telemachus

        What I see as good about the coalition is that it allowed Cameron to step back from a stupid referendum and begin to negotiate changes with Merkel
        He may just come good
        *
        Were he to do so before May 2015 he would get the vote of many of my team in our poor humble Northern town
        *
        There are some things even more important than short term gains for our movement

        • Andy

          Why is an EU referendum ‘stupid’ ?
          Suppose it is to dimwitted Fascists like you who don’t believe in democracy and would abolish it as soon as.

        • Cyril Sneer

          Thanks for that Adolf.

    • telemachus

      But Bellevue what is the endgame
      What if UKIP got in some kind of power
      Do we want this racist mob of ex-BNP to have any sway over our lives?

      • Alexsandr

        Racist? What evidence have you got for such a slur?

        • telemachus

          No slur
          Why would any man journey North to hammer the message on immigration if he did not want like minded folk to join in
          How do you think any immigrant in our great Northern cities feels about this pariah

          • Colonel Mustard

            You are the pariah around here.

          • Alexsandr

            well cut and pasted.

            • telemachus

              That actually was not

          • Raddiy

            Well 1200 northerners think very highly of him that they were prepared to pay £2 each to listen to him on a wet weekday evening at the Sage in Gateshead, whilst Milliband yesterday in a daytime visit, had to be satisified by a yoof giving him a right old earful.
            The sister of my LIthuanian daughter in law, and her husband have just told me they are voting UKIP on 22nd May, because they are concerned about the level of immigration. I suppose that isn;t meant to be what is supposed to happen. LOL

            • telemachus

              Well 1200 northerners think very highly of him that they were prepared to pay £2 each to listen to him
              *
              Of course
              He is pandering to base prejudice

            • Kitty MLB

              See the telemachus response below, Raddy.
              ‘Base prejudices’ Rather like the way Brown saw
              Mrs Duffy and one of the reasons that party
              must lose the working-class traditional
              Labour voter.Milipede was supposed to return
              his party back to its working class roots and
              that has clearly worked, I am sure you agree
              O wise one.

          • JackyTreehorn

            Pathetic. Anybody that I raises a concern about immigration in your book is a racist. What a nasty mind you have.

        • Inverted Meniscus

          None. Everything he writes is dishonest rubbish on behalf of Fascist Labour.

      • Colonel Mustard

        He is not supposed to get into power, He is just a foil by which the Three Stooges and their fat, lazy, complacent parties which do nothing to protect the people of this country can be kicked in the shins and have their smug, presumptive noses tweaked a little.

        • telemachus

          Cameron is appropriately negotiating with Merkel
          We cannot let the moral degenerate UKIP leader get into the fabric of our life

          • Colonel Mustard

            Cameron is doing FA. He just talks about renegotiation.

            And stope the Yvette Cooper-style emotive garbage about Farage. You are devaluing our language with such silliness.

          • Alexsandr

            negotiate with merkel? yes that will go well. she is an immovable object.
            Anyway, any change to treaties will have to be agreed with all the members, and those getting the best deal will just say no. why would they vote against their gravy train?

            • Inverted Meniscus

              An excellent summary. Let’s face it, our only effective negotiating stance is the threat of withdrawal. Why should we try and get a better deal via that particular stance when the best deal is to simply withdraw anyway?

              • Kitty MLB

                Merkel has been always quite straightforward
                with her opinion. She has said there will be
                no renegotiations. If one country wants something back then they all will.

          • JackyTreehorn

            You still believe it when politicians tell you that they will negotiate a better deal and reform the EU?
            Could I interest you in an old bridge. I’m flogging?

          • chudsmania

            Why not……Freedom waits.

          • Fergus Pickering

            He’s there, old fruit. Wonderful Nige is right there. Behold and tremble. He will prevail.

      • Andy

        You mean the Labour Party ?

        • telemachus

          When you appear the quality of debate degenerates
          But even you cannot deny the inflammatory nature of the comments last Wednesday

          • the viceroy’s gin

            When you appear the quality of debate degenerates

            .

            That comment is a triumph of irony. Congratulations.

          • Barakzai

            ‘When you appear the quality of debate degenerates.’

            Thanks, that made me laugh out loud.

          • Inverted Meniscus

            Hilarious. Your disgraceful interjections soil every debate on this site.

          • Andy

            What ‘inframmatory’ comments ? The fact is Miliband is actually of Polish decent – not a drop of British much less English blood in his veins. His father was born in Belgium to Polish parents and only came here on the last boat from Ostend, hoping we would lose the War, so one wonder why he didn’t stay where he was. The brats mother came here from Poland in the 1950s. Little wonder that wee Miliband has so little interest in our country.

      • Raddiy

        Well you can always bu*ger off to an EU country of your choice before the borders go up. France with its incompetent socialist government will feel like the old days under Gordon the pension snatcher.

        I am sure your line in verbal garbage will be easily translatable into French, or you could just use your usual style of English, shout a lot and go oo la la….

        • Andy

          They wont have him. Even they have some standards.

      • Fergus Pickering

        Ex-BNP. Was Nige in the BNP? I must have missed that.

      • Holly

        Why not?
        We let Labour stay in power for over a decade, how can UKIP do any worse?
        Sad fact is though, Farage does not want to have a say here in the UK Parliament. He is quite content boasting about the sickening cost to British taxpayers of his (and other MEP’s) expenses.

        Maybe he should off-load some of them to charity, or offer to pay the bedroom subsidy for a few families struggling over here.
        Probably never crossed his mind eh.

        • Kitty MLB

          Is this true ? Someone mentioned in the Telegraph that Farage doesn’t want a seat
          in parliament because it will make him
          part of the establishment.
          I hope he does want a seat
          we need more choice in parliament and a voice
          that is not leftie caterwaulling.

          • Wessex Man

            Don’t worry Kitty, it’s not true, I’m surprised and a lttle sad at Holly’s comment!

        • Fergus Pickering

          How much do you give to charity, Old fruit? A round figure wil suffice.

        • Conway

          Considering he wants us to exit the EU (and thus, by implication end “the sickening cost to British taxpayers of his (and other MEP’s) expenses” I should have thought you would have been cheering him on. What better use can there be for EU allowances (not expenses) than to use them to free ourselves from the EU? It is our money, after all.

      • Inverted Meniscus

        Anything would be better than the economically incomptent, oppressive, free speech hating fascists of the Labour Party.

  • AnotherDave

    “Farage also makes clear to Aitkenhead that he’s concentrating on disillusioned Labour voters in this campaign, hence the emphasis on immigration.”

    Immigration isn’t just an issue with Labour voters. Mr Farage does not connect the two in his interview.

    ” If this strategy works and Ukip do top the poll, then Ed Miliband is going to come under immense pressure from his own side to offer an EU referendum.”

    Targeting Labour voters is working.

    “While Labour has lost about three points in the polls since October, the two governing parties haven’t made any progress at all. Labour losses have largely been matched by a rise in the UKIP share.”

    http://electionsetc.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/how-2015-general-election-forecast.html

    • Denis_Cooper

      I don’t know what forecasting method that chap is using. But if he forecasts that in May 2015 the Tories will have a 5% lead over Labour that may well be consistent with a 60% chance that the Tories will be the largest party, but with very much less chance that they would have an overall majority. A 7% Tory lead over Labour in May 2010 wasn’t enough to get the Tories an overall majority, and of course the LibDems blocked the boundary changes that the Tories wanted.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        That guy is a crank. His numbers make no sense at all.

    • Kitty MLB

      ‘Immigration isn’t just an issue with Labour voters’
      Sorry but I must reluctantly disagree with you and defend the traditional working class Labour voter.
      Immigration isn’t so much of an issue for comfortable middle class Conservatives who live in a pretty village in the west country or those who live
      in nice suburbs, besides those with money and a decent education can always
      buy comfort or move.
      Yet there are decent and honest English voters who call themselves old- Labour who have been utterly betrayed by those champagne socialists,
      they have no party, they are trapped and uncontrollable immigration has
      had a detrimental affect on their lives, and they cannot move. If they speak they are called or thought of as racists like poor Mrs Duffy. UKIP speak
      for her and her party.

      • starfish

        Spot on. This is a truth so self evident yey strangely absent in the MSM

  • you_kid

    Who is it that questions our blatantly unrepresentative electorial system?
    Who is it that questions our constitutional hotchpotch of running with a state religion no longer supported by its believing worshippers but governed by the Head of State?
    Who is it that points out the inadequacies of the City top down distribution of wealth?

    Farage? Only those believers in Actionism and left-wing anti-intellectualism would agree with that.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      Yes, but what does the goat say about it all?

      • you_kid

        eh, barone?

        • the viceroy’s gin

          …can any other of you socialist nutters translate this gibberish?

  • Holly

    While no one can call me a Farage fan, he has certainly spooked the three main political party leaders in the, same old, same old Westminster bubble.
    Why do I think this?

    Well, Last night’s paper review on Sky, shows just how spooked some bods are…
    The usual parade of ‘news’ stories usually start with the presenter saying,’let’s start with…the Guardian shall we’, and I usually switch off & go to bed….
    The Guardian had a cover story about Farage, so I stayed up thinking it was going to be the first slot as it always is..
    Last night however, there was no sign of the Guardian in the first half of the newspaper review…So I switched off and went to bed.

    Funny job politics, and the MSM.

  • Hello

    Oh great. So, for anyone that didn’t know, when Nigel Farage loses his temper it’s just because he’s (once again) a victim of the establishment who are trying to get under his skin and make him angry. Poor Nigel. That would explain all the angry videos of him, and the nasty things he said to Van Rompuy. I’m sure he’s a really nice chap underneath.

    Evidently, he’s learnt that what worked for him in the second debate was that he looked prime ministerial, and now he wants to explain away his previously amateur behaviour.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      What’s the difference between a Camerluvvie and a puppy?

      The puppy eventually stops whining.

      • Hello

        What’s the difference between you and a Fibonacci sequence?

        One has to think about what comes next with Fibonacci numbers.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          …and the Camerluvvie never does.

    • Fergus Pickering

      You cannot say things that are nasty enough to the vile Rumpy-Pumpy. Keep it up our Nige. We all love you.

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