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Lutfur Rahman and Tower Hamlets — an example of why elected mayors don’t work?

1 April 2014

6:43 PM

1 April 2014

6:43 PM

Is Eric Pickles about to send government troops into Tower Hamlets? Last night’s Panorama examined Lutfur Rahman, the borough’s independent directly elected mayor, who is accused (amongst other things) of mismanaging public funds to purchase influence within certain communities. The programme outlined how Rahman has allegedly ignored the advice of his own officials on distributing money and more than doubling funds to projects in Tower Hamlets’ Bengali community— of which more than two thirds were responsible for electing him in 2010. Rahman has denied all of the allegations against him, calling the BBC Islamophobic, a charge the BBC has in turn refuted in vigorous terms.

Part of Panorama’s aim was to question whether Rahman’s lack of accountability shows a flaw in the system of elected mayors. They didn’t quite come to a clear conclusion but there is evidence that the checks and balances are slowly working. Firstly, the seriousness of the accusations has drawn the attention of Eric Pickles, the Communities Secretary, who has announced he will be delving further into the situation:

‘There is a worrying pattern of divisive community politics and mismanagement of council staff and resources by the mayoral administration in Tower Hamlets. I will be carefully examining the evidence provided by Panorama’s thorough investigation and will consider the appropriate next steps, including the case for exercising the legal powers available to me.’

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There’s no timeline on when government inspectors might be sent in to monitor Rahman, or, if they are, when they will report back. But the Department for Communities & Local Government are keen to stress that due process must be taken so there is no predetermined outcome. So although there may be no immediate action from Pickles and co, this doesn’t mean Tower Hamlets has been forgotten.

Secondly, Panorama has made it clear that Rahman is reneging on responsibilities of being an accountable mayor. He has been called to Tower Hamlets’ Overview and Scrutiny committee ten times in the last year, and has not attended a single session — something Pickles described as ‘virtually unprecedented’. Panorama pointed out he is the only one of England’s 15 directly elected mayors not to answer any questions at an O&S committee. No doubt this will taken into consideration during the DCLG’s investigation.

But unlike many other controversial local council leaders, Rahman is in his position purely thanks to the public and next month, they’ll have a chance to voice their concerns. One hopes that the voters of Tower Hamlets will take the questions raised by Panorama into account when heading to the ballot box on 22 May.

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  • Shorne

    “Raw England” has made two statements in his comment that is awaiting moderation and was posted in answer to mine
    “Scotland has had zero immigration and multiculturalism.”
    “England is now around 30-40% immigrant”
    He accused me of being “WAY of” (his capitals)
    The reality is somewhat different,
    This is from the website of Migration Watch, perhaps the main anti-immigration pressure group,
    “The foreign born resident population of England and Wales had risen
    by 3 million to 7.5 million or one in eight in 2011.” One in eight is 12.5%,
    slightly less than the Census found but no matter.

    As for Scotland,
    This is from the
    Herald Scotland website;
    ” Scotland’s foreign-born population rose from 191,571 to369,284 – an increase of 93% – between 2001 and 2011…The rise was much bigger than in other parts of the UK, where the number of immigrants living in England increased by 61%, in Wales by 82% and in Northern Ireland by 72%…People born in India (23,489 at the last census count in 2011, more than double the 2001 figure)…
    The second-fastest growing immigrant group, after Poles, was Nigerians, whose
    numbers leaped from 1253 to 9458.”

    These figures may change however, “Scotland’s education secretary Michael Russell rammed home the message that Scotland was not following the same path as the UK government by saying the debate south of the border was ‘being driven by UKIP and by a nasty xenophobia’… in Scotland, unlike almost every other Nationalist party in Europe, the SNP has set out in its White Paper the ways it would seek to increase immigration should it gain independence in September’s referendum.”

    One more quote,
    “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”
    Daniel Patrick Moynihan

  • jesseventura2

    How many girls in tower hamlets have still got the clitoris allah gave them?

  • Shorne

    Well I see the usual crowd of angry white men, and women, are still at it.
    The 2011 census showed that only 13% of the UK population are foreign born that does not amount to ‘hordes’.
    Lord Ashcroft (Tory peer) has polled 20,000 people and discovered that four in ten want to stay in the EU, four in ten want to leave and one in ten don’t know. There has been a new development too with ‘an increasingly uppity Russia on Europe’s borders, many feel safer as part of a team.
    ‘Perhaps Nigel’s praising Putin could back fire on him (?)
    So those who think that they will wake up the morning after the EU elections to find the UK has somehow reverted back to 1950 with few non-white faces to be seen may be disappointed.
    Finally despite recent developments polls show Labour on course for an overall majority of 32.

  • uberwest

    So because our dear politicians encouraged mass immigration of corrupt people from the third world, English people should be denied local democracy.

  • Donafugata

    This is the Islamic Republic of Tower Hamlets where corruption is par for the course. Eventually the entire country will be governed in this way.

    Pickles doesn’t seem too keen to do anything about it, either.

    I never thought I would be glad that I’ve had most of my time and won’t be here when the whirlwind is harvested.

  • littletime

    Most politicians employ tactics like this (not suggesting it is right), the difference with Rahman is that he is being more closely scrutinised than his peers.

  • Frank

    I am starting to think that “Telemachus” is some kind of software system to promote responses by posting daft comments. Can we please ban him/it?

  • wiggiatlarge .

    Still now that Ken Livingstone has given his full support to the Mayor, I’m sure all will be well.
    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ken-livingstone-throws-backing-behind-tower-hamlets-mayor-lutfur-rahman-9228636.html
    Time to quietly go away I think.

  • scampy1

    How many girls in tower hamlets have still got their clitoris?

    • Andy

      Not a question that should be asked over cornflakes.

      • HookesLaw

        But one the Spectator are clearly happy to see smeared over their pages.

  • nick

    You have to laugh don’t you….You know you’ve lost the argument when you accuse the BBC of Islamophobia.

  • David Prentice

    Churchill on Islam: How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
    Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia
    in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many
    countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods
    of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the
    Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and
    refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan
    law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as
    a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the
    faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

  • post_x_it

    Have you been living under a rock? I mean seriously? Are these ‘revelations’ by Panorama really news to you? If so, you really ought to hand in your resignation and find another career.
    Private Eye, Andrew Gilligan (in the Telegraph), Ted Jeory (on his blog and in the Express), Tower Hamlets watch etc etc have been covering this for years. It’s not news to any of us, and it certainly shouldn’t be news to Pickles. He just hasn’t done anything about it so far, and he damn well won’t do anything about it tomorrow or the day after.
    For the record: this Panorama programme was a complete and utter non-event. There was nothing new in it whatsoever.

    • HookesLaw

      Rahman was selected deselected selected deselected from Labour and ran as an independent.
      He may be a toerag but he is a toerag who was educated at Marner Primary School in Bow.

      • post_x_it

        Never mind that. Who controls him now, and what’s it doing to the borough?

        • HookesLaw

          He is or should be controlled by the Law.

      • Raw England

        Yes. We’ve imported foreign immigrants, educated them, and now they’re using the education OUR race graciously gave them – along with their intrinsic, foreign, corrupt genes – to destroy our country. Or rather, what’s left of it.

        • Donafugata

          They already think of it as their country, I fear.

          • Raw England

            Oh they do, DonaFugata. They do. The scum.

  • Raw England

    Ah, SO THEN. What you’re actually saying is that absolutely nothing is going to be done.

    The capital city our forefathers BUILT with their BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS will continue to be taken over by vicious foreigners.

    Only a RADICAL change of government can do what has to be done now. And you all know, deep down, what has to be done.

    If not, then we pass on to our children blood, violence, suffering and horror the likes of which has never been known.

    • HookesLaw

      Bog off you nasty barsteward.

      • Raw England

        Thank you, Grandad.

        • HookesLaw

          Pi$$ off gobsh!te

      • Hexhamgeezer

        Agreed. RE isn’t quite naice enough for the multiculti ex-tory golf club denizens

    • andagain

      As I recall, London was built by the Romans.

      • uberwest

        Yes, they did a marvellous job with the new Wembley stadium

        • andagain

          And there was Raw England telling me it was built by my forefathers.

          • uberwest

            Yes, he wouldn’t even know who your father was. But then who does?

            • andagain

              That’s a disappointing insult. Try harder next time.

  • Curnonsky

    As a general rule whenever the cry of “—phobe” is raised someone has something to hide or a question they’d rather not answer. And as another general rule, at the heart of any “identity” politician is personal enrichment and bribery.

  • Bonkim

    Bangladesh is a corrupt and backward country and it appears their corruption has spread to London.

    • telemachus

      No
      A corrupt man has been found out
      Previous events as pointed out above in wandsworth were home grown

      • Bonkim

        In principle yes – but you have to adjust numbers to take into account total home grown and that imported.

  • swatnan

    Boris doesn’t work?

  • Ron Todd

    Cannot let in millions of people without letting in their culture of corruption and bought elections with them.

    • telemachus

      No
      See above
      It is the Mayoral system
      Please do not turn this into a xenophobic issue

      • Tony_E

        Actually give one good reason why the mayoral system gives rise to the kind of corruption. The article singularly fails to.

        In other parts of the world, influence is regularly bought and sold, voting is rigged, and democracy a sham.

        To follow your argument then Ken Livingstone was equally corrupted by the office, and his underlings with him….

        • telemachus

          You need a team

          See my third point above

          “The imposition of Mayors beggars the strength of the present system where a councillor does their apprenticeship as a ward councillor; gets to know the business; advances through the party group and is chosen to lead confident in the fact that they have a mandate from the people who day in and day out are responsible for helping to deliver the services as well as deliver the vote.”

          • Colonel Mustard

            “gets to know the business” and “advances through the party group” conceals a multitude of sins. And of course it presumes a single party state. It reads just like the Communist Party of China. Which is of course what you and your kind are really about.

            • telemachus

              As I advocate a team here, I advocated the value of a single party state elsewhere

              “underlying advantage of a one party, one ideology state is that it will give us a wide space for manoeuvring, which otherwise could not have been achieved. These manoeuvres could be interpreted as deviations from ideological doctrine or deception of the masses, but on the operational level they are important for maintaining stability in the country, and for achieving progress in economic and social spheres.”

              • Colonel Mustard

                I hope people take note of what you write here as an advocate for the Labour party. Here is where you copied that from (and you omitted the word ‘Bolshevik’).

                http://www.e-ir.info/2008/07/09/‘what-were-the-operational-advantages-and-disadvantages-of-the-soviet-one-party-one-ideology-order’/

                You are an armchair communist with totalitarian fantasies.

                • telemachus
                • Colonel Mustard

                  I’m not. I believe in the British constitution and democracy which is why the Labour party should disown you too.

                • telemachus

                  I am impressed again
                  The beginning of a creed
                  But how to use these for the greater good of the British Population
                  That is where you need to nail your colours to the mast
                  It is not good enough to simply operate as High Sheriff

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Not the beginning. And not a High Sheriff. You are the one patrolling the threads and promiscuously tagging admonitions on others opinions.

                • Andy

                  He doesn’t know what a High Sheriff is.

              • allymax bruce

                Your manifesto blurb even sounds like you’ve lost the plot.

          • Tony_E

            Unfortunately, the system you describe simply encourages ‘group think’ mentalities, and the promotion of candidates who think as their colleagues do.

            That means that as problems become ingrained, then the political and administrative thinking that created them also becomes ingrained and nobody can be allowed to shake up the system.

            You want to offer the public simply a set of faces, all of which are the same – pick your winner but the outcome is no different whoever gets your vote.

          • allymax bruce

            But Establishment politics doesn’t give ‘the people’ an unadulterated choice of candidate; all the ‘candidates’ are ‘parachuted-in’ drones of the contesting Establishment Party.
            Making Democratic procedure sound fair, doesn’t mean to say it is fair; you con the masses all the time with your double-speak, but people are waking up to your lies, deceit, and denials; we know when you’re lying now; your lips move! As such, absolutely nothing you say, regardless how ‘fair’ you make it sound, is trusted by anyone anymore. We know your Labour Party are con-merchants.

      • Frank

        Rubbish, it is not the system, it is the individual. A bit like saying that it wasn’t Stalin, but the system.

      • allymax bruce

        Why is it xenophobic to say, if you let into this country corrupt gangsters, and let them obtain Public office, why would we/Public expect anything else other than corruuption in said Public office?
        Waiting to hear your reply.

      • Ron Todd

        Do you think that all these people from corrupt dishonest countries become upright reliable citizens as soon as they arrive here?

      • ArchiePonsonby

        Why not? If we import Third Worlders then we shall get Third World standards, be it in elections, hospital cleaning, catering or whatever else you care to name. Obvious, innit?

  • alabenn

    Another Labour placeman who despite previous form was pushed into the job of Leader of the Council, then selected as candidate for Mayor despite more misgivings about him.
    Why are most people who are corrupt or suspected of corruption part of Labour and the legal profession.

    • telemachus

      He has been disowned by Labour

      • allymax bruce

        Why? Because he’s been found out?

  • James Strong

    The benefits of cultural enrichment.
    The mayor and the voters are behaving as they would expect of each other.
    Some may not approve. However those who don’t approve are racists and Islamophobes, aren’t they?
    (Note to new readers at CoffeHouse: I loathe the RoP and completely reject the idea that all cultures are equal. I firmly believe that ‘enrichment’ is very damaging to the UK)

    • telemachus

      Before you decry cultural enrichment take time to understand it
      It should:-
      Promote an understanding of our traditions and the diverse elements of our cultural history
      Contribute to a knowledge and understanding of other cultures. and of international events.
      Encourage a commitment to personal integrity, sensitivity to the needs of others, together with social responsibility
      *
      What is so very wrong with all that?

      • Colonel Mustard

        Nothing but they are just fluffy slogans not real life. You and your party think fluffy slogans and throwing other peoples money at everything will make it all alright.

        You think engineering the largest wave of immigration this country has ever experienced in order to import cheap labour and to “rub the right’s nose in diversity” will “promote”, “encourage” and “contribute” those things.

        Just as you think creating silly “hate speech” laws will eradicate the consequent hatred.

        Naive doesn’t even begin to describe it.

        • telemachus

          ‘engineering the largest wave of immigration this country has ever experienced ‘
          *
          As we all advance in age and pension provision and care need more and more funds folks will look back at the foresight of the magnificent administrations after 1997

          • Colonel Mustard

            We will be too busy with sectarian strife, imported crime waves and internal terrorism to do that. Over populating a country with limited resources and an inadequate infrastructure was an act of malevolent folly. Doing it within the silly context of multi-culturalism without an onus on integration was madness.

            • telemachus

              Paupers’ funerals making comeback as families exploit loophole to save funeral costs

              Families turning to state claiming they cannot afford to pay towards burying loved-ones before splashing out on flowers and memorial trinkets, study finds

              http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10584884/Paupers-funerals-making-comeback-as-families-exploit-loophole-to-save-funeral-costs.html

              • Colonel Mustard

                Yes, we can all cut and paste. Knowledge is the thing. Know your enemy and destroy him.

                • telemachus

                  Absolutely why I try to understand why you have no creed

                • Colonel Mustard

                  My creed is not for the likes of you to understand. You only need to know that I oppose yours. I saw the results of what you aspire to up close and personal more than forty years ago.

            • Cyril Sneer

              Well said.

              I despise Labour liars. If one should trespass on my property I’ll release the hounds.

        • Andy

          You forgot to mention that one reason for the Fascist Labour Party’s policy of mass immigration was to bolster their vote, the white working class having dared o vote for Lady Thatcher rather too often. So they had to be punished, so what better way to do that than to destroy their lives. All worked out rather well hasn’t it, from the Fascists point of view.

          • telemachus

            I think you need to contact Nick Griffin

            • Kitty MLB

              He has a wee point. Your party does now have an issue
              with the working class now. Blair tried and failed to emulate
              Thatcher and then purposely changed the face of the UK.
              And now the working classes are heading towards UKIP.

              • telemachus

                In you dreams Kitty
                UKIP are peddling that notion to lull the Tories into denial over the loss of their 43 marginal simply from your activity

    • Donafugata

      This Rahman was also responsible for selling a sculpture which Henry Moore had given to the people of Tower Hamlets.

      Perhaps Rahman thinks that the work of Henry Moore no longer has cultural relevance in the borough of today.

  • Agrippina

    The voters who elected him will do so again because he funds their pet projects. Dominic Greive AG already mentioned this type of corrupt behaviour and he was slapped down.

    This country needs to demonstrate how democracy works and not just leave him to it. Close scrutiny is vital, he has given jobs and funds to his friends and family most of whom do not have the relevant skills, training or experience for the same.

    He believes he is untouchable the govt needs to show, he is not. It will be a warning to others in Bradford, Luton, Birmingham et al that unless they get their house in order the same fate awaits them.

    • telemachus

      Politics of large councils is too complex for us to need to put our faith in individuals. Proper teams drive real change.
      The Panorama debate obscures the real issue. The real reason for failure in Tower Hamlets is the massive centralisation of British Government in the hands of a handful of politicians and civil servants in Whitehall. Until local people can make local decisions about spending mayoral elections will be a sham
      The imposition of Mayors beggars the strength of the present system where a councillor does their apprenticeship as a ward councillor; gets to know the business; advances through the party group and is chosen to lead confident in the fact that they have a mandate from the people who day in and day out are responsible for helping to deliver the services as well as deliver the vote.

      To move forward we need to return real power to local councils; we return tax raising powers to local councils; we assist political parties expand their talent pool; we provide proper training, advice and support to and provide proper pay for councillors.

      Mayors must go
      *
      Including Boris

      • Colonel Mustard

        Your slip is showing. You have been peddling the need for strong, “charismatic” leaders in the Stalin mould for whole nations and the NHS but suddenly when a corrupt Labour stooge is exposed in the full glare of sunlight councils only require “teams” not mayors.

        GTF

        • telemachus

          1. Not Labour
          2. You need a strong team, able to censure the leader/Mayor(even Stalin had the Politburo)

          • Colonel Mustard

            1. Tripe. In September 2010, Rahman was selected by the Tower Hamlets Labour Party as its candidate. He was then elected as Labour’s Mayoral candidate by Tower Hamlets Borough Labour Party members. He was declared as the winning candidate by Ken Clark, Director of London Regional Labour Party. You can disown him but you can’y disown the responsibility of putting him there in the first place, you muppets.
            2. Citing Stalin, conveniently forgetting his purges.

            • telemachus

              Look
              The Party did the right thing
              Even Godfrey Bloom was axed by his party
              The problem is the system
              We should axe all Mayors as independent executive officers

              • Colonel Mustard

                You look. Just as the Metropolitan Police is guilty of institutionalised racism the Labour party is guilty of institutionalised corruption – from Falkirk through the expenses scandal to Tower Hamlets.

                It has something to do with the fact that yours is the party of lies, lying and liars.

              • allymax bruce

                Beginning with the word ‘look’, always reminds me of Tony Bliar. Then, those devil eyes. Iraq war, old Walter on terrorism charges, 3000+ evil laws. You get my drift.
                Anyway, we should axe all the local council staff, up & down the country, taken on as Labour Party drones. That’s where The Conservatives need to start after they win the 2015 General Election; get rid of the Labour Party ‘place-people’ from local councils!

            • Andy

              But one thing in Stalin’s favour: he would have had telemachus shot.

          • Jambo25

            Stalin killed most of the Politburo.

      • allymax bruce

        Bliarism central tenet; ‘de-centralise responsibility to local councils, but make local councils absolutely accountable to the State.’
        Coming to a Labour ward near you; Your Council Owns You !

        • Pootles

          Give him laldy, AlleyMax, you’re on a roll today!

  • Tron

    Third world corrupt politics comes to London.
    All part of the rich diversity The Spectator so loves.

    • monty61

      Hardly a new thing. Remember Dame Shirley Porter in Wandsworth?

      • Agrippina

        Westminster.

        • monty61

          Oops. Slip of the fingers. I think she did pay £12m in the end. But corruption it surely was.

          • Agrippina

            Spectator 2006, author and journalist Leo McKinstry described her as “the high priestess of Tory sleaze,” whose
            actions helped to “undermine the reputation of the
            Conservative party in the 1990s and pave the way for the arrival of Tony Blair.”

            You are right about the small sum she repaid, but by the time she paid that, the interest and other charges meant she should have paid £42million.

            • GnosticBrian

              And how much did the expenses fiddling MPs in the last parliament pay back? The then Home Secretary no less, Jacqui Smith, claimed £116,000 on the basis that her sister’s box room was Smiths main residence. Margaret Moran was supposedly too ill to stand trial but was well enough to be caught out in a newspaper scam when she touted her “influence”. Bring out the tumbrels, to the guillotine with the lot of them!

              • Agrippina

                Agreed, I can’t stand any of the trio of troughers. We have a report due on Maria Miller who had her parents living with her and claimed expenses, and her hubby a solicitor, so hardly poor.

                • GnosticBrian

                  I have seen suggestions that she be jailed, but why should decent prisoners have to mix with such low life?

                • Frank

                  Ha ha, that is so unlikely. Dave will do anything to avoid sacking her. All part of the new moral tory party!!

              • Jambo25

                I think it paled into insignificance compared to Shirley Porter’s council funded ethnic cleansing of Wandsworth.

                • GnosticBrian

                  Dame Shirley’s efforts were small beer compared to B Liar / Gordon Brown’s programme of mass immigration.

                • Jambo25

                  You’re mistaking me for someone who supports Labour. I don’t. I despise them.

                • GnosticBrian

                  Why would I insult you by accusing you of supporting any political party? I am of the view that we should be building guillotines and oiling the wheels on the tumbrels – away with entire pestilence that is the political classes!

                • Jambo25

                  I wouldn’t go quite as far but it is tempting.

                • Donafugata

                  Didn’t she flog off a cemetery or two to the building trade?

                • Jambo25

                  It wouldn’t surprise me. The woman was/is a human ghoul.

      • Pootles

        Though, perhaps there is a connection with the Rahman business, in that the lovely Shirley legged it to her real home – Israel – when the going got tough. Did she take her values from somewhere else as well?

    • Hexhamgeezer

      Welcome to Mirpur and 1st Cousinville.

    • Shazza

      If you import hordes of 3rd world people, eventually you will have a 3rd world country. We are reaping what Labour have sown.

      • telemachus

        No son
        Read the UCL Study

        • Colonel Mustard

          Ah, the “son” gambit from the communist fantasist who believes in a single party soviet state.

          • telemachus
            • Colonel Mustard

              Neither a refutation nor an endorsement but an observation on your use of patronising diminutives to intimidate dissent, a common trait in Labour supporting trolls.

              But one could hardly expect an objective output from “London’s Global University”. The clue is in the name. The report has been widely discredited.

              • telemachus

                Sadly you do not adduce evidence

                • Colonel Mustard

                  And you do not distinguish between evidence and propaganda.

                • telemachus

                  Propaganda covers the large number of techniques used to motivate people to take a specific action.The use of evidence claims in propaganda allows us to suggest truth about an issue that may or may not be true.
                  http://www.ehow.com/info_8582978_types-propaganda-evidence-claims.html#ixzz2xi860rUR

                • Colonel Mustard

                  I know what propaganda is and I know how communists have used it and use it still. This country is being suffocated by it. And it is all coming from one direction.

                  Almost every day there is a subliminal “report” from some “charity” or “think tank” citing dubious but emotive statistics and pre-seeding oppressive legislation.

                • telemachus

                  What about the propaganda on Channel 4 on Monday and the propagandafest due tonight on BBC2
                  We are getting fed up of the BBC anti Miliband agenda

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Any counter-propaganda to the Left’s attempted cultural revolution by stealth is in the long term interests of the British people who would otherwise be sleepwalking into slavery.

                  And it’s fed up ‘with’. Bored ‘with’. Tired ‘of’.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  Who are ‘we’.? I am a great fan of Ed Miliband.

                • allymax bruce

                  Yeh, so am I; nobody, like Ed, could have run the Labour Party into the ground so effectively.

                • Kitty MLB

                  You see, a Scottish chap and a Englishman can agree-
                  you set a good example for the union ( Only joking, Ally !)
                  Yes, indeed Miliband has been superb we will never know
                  what it would have been like with Labour’s lost leader,
                  dear betrayed David Miliband.

                • Kitty MLB

                  Don’t worry about it Telemachus after next May, you
                  will never here the dulcet tones of Milipede again,
                  Milipede- who was he ?

                • allymax bruce

                  Why? Isn’t ‘truth’ what you suggest propaganda is all about??

                • allymax bruce

                  “Propaganda covers the large number of techniques used to motivate people to take a specific action.”
                  So, you’re saying you (Labour Party/MSM), feed the populace what you want them to learn, then they make a decision/action. How is that giving the masses/electorate a basis for deciding what is true/truth? I would call that a ‘determined brainwashing’ ‘technique’ that Labour Party uses.

                • sarahsmith232

                  It would be impossible for me to write anything that isn’t exceptionally offensive in response to your posts, so I will just direct you to the ACTUAL findings of the UCL report.
                  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25880373
                  Now let’s see if you can work out for yourself the reasons why you allowed yourself to propagandised into believing what it is the Left wanted you to believe. ‘Cause what it is you believe is incorrect.

                • Rocksy

                  Stop talking to this idiot.

              • Harold Angryperson

                He doesn’t actually believe any of the bollocks that he posts here, it’s just provocative trolling in the guise of a pantomime baddy lefty. At least it is fairly easy to avoid – just don’t bother with the posts with over 100 comments.

                • https://mikestallard.virtualgallery.com/ Mike Stallard

                  I want to say here that he couldn’t do this on Labour List. Like me, he would have been excluded for voicing the wrong opinions. Have these muppets never heard of Hegel?

        • anncalba

          Oh no, yet another discussion on an important topic taken over by the pathetic telemachus, meaning I have to scroll down for ever to find something worthing reading.

        • Hexhamgeezer

          Tyt

      • Rocksy

        Thanks. Succinct and accurate. Saves me the bother of reading the rest of the posts.

      • Pootles

        Labour? It isn’t and wasn’t just Labour – all our mainstream parties are responsible. Their leaderships, in particular, are signed up to the delights of globalisation, largely because it works – for them, personally, and their friends and backers.

        • ArchiePonsonby

          Quite right. This has been going on until at least the fifties! Thing is, we kept voting for the idiot politicians who encouraged this!

  • Colin

    Elected Mayors do work. Corrupt, elected Mayors, not so much.

    • telemachus

      So therefore the system is flawed
      Human frailty is human frailty and the system cannot detect or cope

      • Colin

        The system should hammer down hard, in an exemplary fashion, on anyone who is, in any way, found to be perverting our system of democracy. For example, the postal vote fraud scandal. The rampant abuse of the postal vote system should be stamped out with extreme prejudice.

        • Andy

          Only way to do that is to proscribe the Fascist Party.

        • telemachus

          I applaud this

  • Hello

    He should have joined the Labour party, he would have been a natural fit.

    • post_x_it

      Er… he was in the Labour party. They built him up, they made him council leader, and they selected him as their candidate for mayor. Only just before the election they bottled it when they realised he was a puppet for the IFE and ejected him from the party, so he ran and won as an independent. But he’s a Labour product down to the core.

      • telemachus

        He is as much Labour as Derek Hatton

        • Jimmy R

          And Ken Livingstone. The only difference between the two is that whilst Hatton was Labour then wasn’t Labour Livingstone was Labour, wasn’t Labour then suddenly, when it became convenient to the Party, was rapidly accepted back as Labour again.

          • telemachus

            All of which goes to show that you have to earn your stripes
            *
            And work to keep them

            • Andy

              Which actually goes to show what sort of scum the Fascist Party will accept – they even welcome you. I rest mi case.

            • post_x_it

              You’re getting stripes confused with skid marks. Easy mistake to make.

        • Colin

          “He is as much Labour as Derek Hatton”

          The true face of nasty labour, then.

  • CharlietheChump

    For some cultures the achievement of public office requires a “payback” to the communities, family and friends of the candidate. Our system of democratic legitimacy and oversight is but one in the variety of systems around the world.

    • Andy

      Yes it is called ‘buying votes’.

    • rollahardsix

      Indeed it is, but the fact of there being a number of different systems around the world doesn’t mean that all systems are equally valid, legitimate or desirable

    • La Fold

      Very true, the system of patronage based on tribal kinship groupings and tribal alleigances is esatblished in many Asian countries such as Pakistan and Bengalidesh but it, along with first cousin marriage, belongs in the rural hills of the Punjab not here.

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