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Cameron’s renegotiation strategy is no longer an obstacle to a second Tory-Lib Dem coalition

6 April 2014

4:11 PM

6 April 2014

4:11 PM

David Cameron’s plan to renegotiate Britain’s membership of the European Union has long been regarded as a major obstacle to a second Tory-Lib Dem coalition. But, as I report in the Mail on Sunday, this is no longer the case.

The Lib Dem logic is essentially that any deal that other European leaders are prepared to offer Cameron is one that they can accept as well. One Clegg confidant tells me that when it comes to the renegotiation, ‘It is not us David Cameron is going to have a problem with but the Tories.’ Indeed, there are parts of the renegotiation that the Liberal Democrats are already on board with. Clegg is fully supportive of the tightening up of the benefit rules for EU migrants that Employment Minister Esther McVey will announce on Wednesday.

There are still differences between the Tory and Lib Dem leaderships when it comes to Europe. Nick Clegg would never even threaten to leave the EU. While Cameron is keeping this option on the table because it might be the key to getting the best EU deal possible. But despite starting from quite different places, the two party leaderships essentially end up in the same place on Europe.

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  • perdix

    If Cameron wins the next election and is able to hold a referendum on the EU, he will find that although he will not get all he wants from the EU (even less than the Tory Party wants), the people of the UK will vote to stay in the EU. There will be a continuing dissatisfaction with the EU which will require a continuing effort on reform. Therefore there should be a referendum on the EU at every general election to keep up the pressure on reform.

  • Smithersjones2013

    There you see Libdems would sell their grannies into servitude for a whiff of power. Why would anyone vote for them?

  • cremaster

    Remember this?

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/03/nick-clegg-stands-to-beat-nigel-farage-in-tonights-europe-debate-heres-why/

    James always ends up making a pillock of himself, because he insists on parroting CamOron’s party line.

    Oh, and VOTE UKIP.

  • Zool

    Either your part of the EUROZONE or your ruled by it & their is no in between in this new Europe. The Euro was by design setup to reward those that joined & exclude those that don’t creating a two tier EU. We have now reached a point of no return where we cant go forwards unless we join fully or we will be just a small part of the Brussels empire feed on & marginalized by the Eurozone members & history has shown us already via their attempts to enforce the Tobin Tax they only have their own interests at heart & have no problem pushing us in front of bus to save themselves.

    So we can be a powerful independent nation that is the EU largest trading partner or nothing but a small administrative region in the greater EU, powerless & marginalized by Qualified majority voting of the Eurozone.

  • Mynydd

    Mr Cameron needs a renegotiation strategy with his party ex-members.

    • Kitty MLB

      Well, clearly we are all going to vote for Ed & Ed, not only are two
      Ed’s better then one- We know they have a plan for England .
      Never mind Nigel’s ‘ Peoples Army’ we have the we have the two Ed’s
      superbly embarking on strategy of… Oh, sorry its all gone somewhat blank !!!

  • Tom Tom

    Surely not, whoever imagined Voters would get in the way of a backroom-deal sanctioned by Washington ? Elections are simply a form of audience participation but the exercise of power has little to do with what goes on in front of the curtain

  • Fergus Pickering

    All this shows is that the Lib Dams are desperate. As well they might be.

  • Robert_Eve

    Yet another reason to vote UKIP.

  • DavEd CamerBand

    Vote for UKIP, if he was going to give a referendum he would have already.

  • JoeThorpe1963

    There can not be a Tory coalition with any party that doesn’t agree to a straight forward EU in out referendum in 2017 following a renegotiation of terms or a failure & a simple vote to accept the status quo or leave.

  • black11hawk

    I would love to know the identity of Telemachus, I bet it’s some really politically correct nit like Emily Thornberry.

  • Bob Thomas

    You should really venture “below the line” on these comment threads occassionally. People have been saying this for months. Meaningful renegotiation is not possible within the EU treaty structure. The EU is committed to political integration. The British public have never been properly informed about this and British MPs tend to deny the fact when they are confronted with this uncomfortable truth. For instance, Clegg called a Common European Foreign and Securities policy a “dangerous fantasy”. The European Commission already has a high commissioner for foreign affairs (she is the British one!) who is able to call upon 60,000 troops as part of the External Action Service. We can’t be a democracy if the people who work for the press fail to inform the public about the facts and thereby seek to hold politicians to account. I have not read a single legacy media source taking Clegg to task for his ignorance/deception concerning the EU’s military ambitions.

    • HookesLaw

      You mean we should take the nutjobs seriously – give me a break.
      Of course meaningful negotiations are possible. And of course provided we have a Tory govt we will have a referendum.
      Only the thick bigots of Nutjobland cannot get that through their Neanderthal skulls.

      • Bob Thomas

        No. I find it is sensible to ignore nutjobs.

        The EU is committed to political integration and the eventual surrender of sovereignty to a supranational state. If that is what politicans want, they should argue openly in favour of it. This does not happen.

        • Tom Tom

          Not so much a supra-national state more like the Ottoman Empire

      • Ricky Strong

        I voted Conservative last time round on the back of a categorical promise from David Cameron that we would have a referendum on our membership of the EU.

        Why should I believe him this time round?

        • Tom Tom

          You believed him once so you are conditioned to believe him twice, thrice…..

        • Colonel Mustard

          You shouldn’t.

      • Hexhamgeezer

        Your Govt will not be a Tory one.

      • Wessex Man

        Too much Sherry Hooky or are you getting very very rattled?

      • Tom Tom

        There will be no referendum. Get used to it. The US State Department will not permit a referendum now they have Europe bundled into a political union subset of NATO. The game is about power blocs not offshore islands thinking they have a separate identity

  • saffrin

    With Clegg and his LibDem’s finished, surely Cameron should be teaming-up with Miliband.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      He will be. That will be the coalition come 2015… the Millipedes and the Camerloons.

    • Kitty MLB

      I should think you will find that both Lib Dems and Labour are destined to oblivion. The country is finished with the failed Leftie agenda.

  • Hexhamgeezer

    Shouldn’t that be ‘But despite starting from quite different places, the three party leaderships essentially end up in the same place on Europe.’?

  • London Calling

    Who in their right mind wants to be governed by Brussels, no one in the UK voted

    for it and whilst all eyes are on the economy, so is the eye watering 55 million a day we give to the EU only to receive half back for EU projects they seem fit……simply madness…………..renegotiations, reforms, however you look at it, we sold out and the British people have just woken up, some at least with Clegg and Farage debating the Issue…………..do not underestimate the patriotism of the public when it comes to all things British and our place in the scheme of our place in Europe. We are after all a democracy and a referendum is the only way forward once and for all to have the democratic right to act accordingly with the rule of law…………:)

    • HookesLaw

      We get half back from the 55 million? Tut tut you are off message there. Saint Nigel was very economical with the truth during the debates.

      • Wessex Man

        Hooky,

        After being given a cutting from your Bible The Mail on Sunday., I would say that it’s you who is as I always suspected who is off message here.

        David Davis, the real Tory who your blue rinsed brigade rejected for Tone two and brought about your party’s fall from grace, had printed an article that just about repudiates every stupid comment you have posted here over the years.

        The fact is that only now are people like him realising what an almighty mess they have presided over with half their membership leaving them, the EU,Nick Clegg and Call me Dave’s promises on renegotiations on the EU.

        Time for even you Hooky, to stand up and take a very big breath and smell the corruption, time serving, lying circus that Westminster has become!

  • Kitty MLB

    For heavens sake. After the next election the loathsome Lib Dems will be somewhere
    in the stygian gloom. They will be irrelevant. They must not be allowed to hold
    all the cards and hold the Conservatives and this country to ransom for their
    own little anti English undemocratic agenda. We did not vote for the Lib Dems
    and I am quite sick of hearing what they think.
    This coalition has been a disaster for the Conservative party, they have made my party a laughing stock and they delight in saying- ‘ We Stopped the Tories’-
    yes they are the opposition within and have always tried to stop the Tories in their duty
    towards the country. They have plotted and played havoc as well as going back on the boundary promises just to ensure that we will have a permanent coalitions just with them.
    Mind you most of their voters have already left for Labour..
    So UKIP keep up the good work defeating the EU, and taking control of Labour.

    • rtj1211

      With great respect, 65% of people didn’t vote for the Conservatives. And only 70% of people bothered to vote.

      So I don’t think that the 25% obtained by the Conservatives is worthy of a majority government, is it??

      Of course the Libdems’ influence should drop if their support levels drop, but people like you are the biggest problem in UK democracy: you can’t accept that where your vote was placed was not reflective of the majority of the people.

      Until you accept that and face up to the implications of it, you will never be a democrat.

      As for ‘plotting and playing havoc’, if you even attempt to state that the Right Wing Press has not been the biggest plotter in the past 4 years, you need sectioning as mentally insane.

      I don’t care how insulted you feel, I don’t care how much you scream and shout. Learn to behave, learn to tell the truth and learn to see the world as it is, not how you would have it be.

      • telemachus

        A little intemperate for this hour of the morning
        *
        But very true

        • Kitty MLB

          Really,what part Telemachus ?

          • Colonel Mustard

            None of it was true. It was, as usual, a distortion, a misrepresentation, arrant nonsense conceived from a sociopathic delusion that lefties have some divine right to govern us and were somehow cheated of that right by the “Right Wing Press”.

      • Colonel Mustard

        Accumulating all the votes for other parties to demonstrate who didn’t vote for the Conservatives is perhaps one of the more dishonest methods of attacking them. The Election doesn’t work like that and the fact remains that the Conservatives attracted more votes than any other single party.

        The turnout was 65.1% of which 36.1% voted Conservative. By your reckoning barely 19% voted for Labour. The percentage who didn’t vote is irrelevant because you cannot make claims for their preference, either pro or anti.

        In terms of UK-wide and England voting, then given the existence of the Scottish Parliament and the Welsh Assembly together with the continued presence of Scots and Welsh MPs in Westminster, it is the democratic mandate in England that warrants appraisal and it is unlikely to emerge in favour of Labour.

        If you Lefties are going to claim that some kind of grand rainbow coalition against the Tories removes their legitimate mandate to govern then Labour and the Lib Dems need to amalgamate as one party, together with all the other loony left parties out there. The Lib Dems won’t do that because they emerged from the Labour party over their ideological differences. Which leaves coalition. And if the Lib Dems continue to govern in coalition then it is they, not the Conservatives or Labour, who will not have a democratic mandate.

        As for the press Blair and Brown did not achieve 13 years in government over us thanks to the plotting of a “Right Wing Press”.

        • Tom Tom

          IF I give you the choice of hanging or shooting you really shouldn’t complain if I have you garrotted……you did after all have a choice and abstained

          • Colonel Mustard

            I am not complaining, merely stating the facts. A commodity in short supply hereabouts.

        • Kitty MLB

          The words’ rainbow coalition’ remind me of the same words Brown used when desperately trying to cling on to power.
          Labour would demolish the Lib Dems, would completely
          take them over ! Conservatives have been far too generous
          with their junior coalition partners.
          Also, we must remember that ‘ build in advantage’ Labour have
          and The Lib Dems failure to try and make politics more fair.

    • telemachus

      Stygian Gloom
      There is a poster hereabout now much diminished and secretive who talks about hubris
      Do not take a few positive opinion polls after the Wednesday reprehensible display of demagoguery as justification for unwarranted assertions in relation to the General Election
      *
      Remember pride comes before a fall

      • Kitty MLB

        And indeed,some will be heading towards a epic fall.

        • Wessex Man

          We can truly hope this time Kitty!

          • Kitty MLB

            I shall wager that Wessex Man, and so should you.

            • Wessex Man

              Oh I will Kitty, I shall be pounding the pavements and banging on the doors at both the elections we English are permitted to vote in!

            • telemachus

              Not sure to what you refer
              However after a high point in May your team will experience progressive disappointment
              You only role next May will be to deliver the vote split in the 43 Tory marginals to give us those crucial extra seats to deliver an overall majority

      • Colonel Mustard

        I should prefer your unhealthy obsessions about me to cease. The exercise of my free will is not a matter for your ad hominem speculations.

  • Denis_Cooper

    “But despite starting from quite different places, the two party leaderships essentially end up in the same place on Europe.”

    The LibDems, and the author of this article, must have missed this rather important target included on Cameron’s list as published over his name in the Sunday Telegraph on March 16th:

    “And dealing properly with the concept of “ever closer union”, enshrined in the treaty, to which every EU country now has to sign up. It may appeal to some countries. But it is not right for Britain, and we must ensure we are no longer subject to it.”

    • Bert3000

      This is the crux. Cameron’s ‘renegotiation’ is a trick to get the British people out of the ever closer union we voted for in the last referendum. He mustn’t be allowed to get away with it.

      • Denis_Cooper

        Well, I don’t quite follow that.

  • telemachus

    So Farage had a benefit on Clegg on Wednesday after all

    • Colonel Mustard

      tel, Terry, you must learn to use quotation marks when you are quoting!

      http://councillorterrykelly.blogspot.co.uk/2010/08/ucs-see-you-jimmy-reid-and-airlie-wasnt.html

      • telemachus

        Frit
        And losing it

        • Andy

          You never ‘had it’ in the first place.

    • Kitty MLB

      Have you heard about what’s happening in the East End of London,
      according to a ‘source’ a huge amount of councillors from Labour are
      leaving for UKIP as well as humble Labour voters. So your stronghold in
      that area, as well as The North are being knocked down by UKIP.
      Nickie Clegg is also history regardless of his political plottings.

      • Shazza

        Cleggie’s hubris is his undoing. The debates reflected that. Cleggie is shallow and patronising toward anybody who has the temerity to challenge him.

        Farage on the other hand with his genuine concern for the welfare of his country and showing that he was proud of being an Englishman and British managed to connect with the residue of patriotism that the malignant ideology of multiculturalism has almost managed to destroy in the British people.

        OTH Labour have demonstrated their contempt for the people who put them into power by destroying all their hopes and values. These once proud Labour voters will find a natural home with Ukip and in Farage a man who has warts like the rest of us, but does not try to hide them.

        Oh the irony, Labour taunting the Conservatives with the threat of Ukip when with a bit of luck, the trickle of Labour voters defecting to Ukip will turn into a flood.

        Cameron then won’t need the infamous Cleggie then. None of us will.

        • Kitty MLB

          Indeed shazza, regardless of political differences the Labour
          party used to have principles and represent the English working classes. Those who Nigel Farage said they abandoned for their failed multicultural agenda. And yet
          Labour still mock him and their own voters who they hold in
          contempt preferring ‘imported voters’ from Islamic countries.
          And as for Cleggie his moment of glory faded long ago.

          • Alexsandr

            i am not convinced that the ‘imported’ voters will support labour unconditionally’

            • telemachus

              But gladly they do

              • Kitty MLB

                They were all part of the big plan for England
                were they not. Your new voters, and for these Labour
                wrecked lives and jobs for their own voters. For these
                people do not move to ‘posh’ Tory areas. Your traditional English working Class
                voters feel utterly abandoned and betrayed.
                But you also have George Galloway to contend with as well
                as lovely Nigel Farage.

                • telemachus

                  Not part of the plan
                  But their votes are as welcome as their magnificent contribution to our GDP

                • Alexsandr

                  and their sucking at the teat of our benefits and public services.

                • James Strong

                  Your comments are getting more and more ridiculous. They are nearly beyond parody.
                  What percentage of mohammedan men are economically active?
                  What about mohammedan women?
                  What percentage of convicted criminals in prison are mohammedans, compared to the percentage of mohammedans in the piopulation as a whole?
                  What percentage of mohammedan women freely choose the way they vote rather than being instructed by their husbands?

                • telemachus

                  I decry your Islamophobia
                  Please read the UCL study on the benefit to GDP

                • Tom Tom

                  When can we have a literacy test for voting ? I object to multilingual election materials and voting with a cross for illiterates

            • Shazza

              They will until they form their own islamic party. The Muslim Brotherhood in the USA are forming their own political party there now and it is just a matter of time before a similar situation arises here.
              Gaze at Tower Hamlets and what you see is the nucleus of an islamic party. The Trojan horse is here, ready and primed to go.

            • alabenn

              George Galloway`s election proves that as soon as someone will descend to their barbaric level, off they will go.

              • Tom Tom

                Rubbish, you simply do not understand the dynamics of biradari communal politics and civic corruption on Bradford Council…..that is why Galloway was elected and the other parties failed because of their corrupt leaflets and communal politics in Bradford West

        • telemachus

          If we need a few LibDem MP’s for a majority so be it
          The Ed’s have broad shoulders

          • Shazza

            “The Ed’s have broad shoulders”

            But a vacuum above them.

            BTW It is Eds and not “Ed’s”. When denoting a plural you do not need an apostrophe.

            • telemachus

              Life is a long learning curve
              The Eds have learned and will apply

              • Kitty MLB

                I am afraid Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum are history.
                Wee Little Ed will wander back to his cave, he will never be prime minister by default such as when he stole the crown
                from David. And we will never give the matches back
                to Big Ed so he can relight the inferno that he started.
                Little boys should not play with matches, dear Telemachus.

                • telemachus

                  You might have a point about Milibands inadequacy
                  But remember thevcharismatic one is at his side and ready to fulfill his historic destiny

                • Kitty MLB

                  Oh not him again. ‘ historic destiny’ you make it sound
                  like some sinister preordained happening that we have no say
                  over this . It was decided by the gods themselves.
                  Fortunately the gods gave us free will and we can avoid
                  ticking the little red section on a ballot paper and we will.

                • telemachus

                  Look Kitty
                  It is sure that there will be a socialist majority next may
                  You pointed that Ed M may not have it
                  Ed B does and will step up to the plate
                  It is ordained

                • Kitty MLB

                  I am looking Telemachus, I am looking way ahead in the future. I can envisage a sea of red turning in to purple
                  and a sea of pure deep Conservative blue. Untainted
                  by the toxic waste of socialism ( Lib Dem)
                  And Ed Balls.. his head will be placed on a plate as an
                  offering to- Oh Lord, I cannot decide.

                • Shazza

                  Hollande?
                  Both economic success stories.

                • Kitty MLB

                  Excellent choice. But could we not send Ed Balls as a
                  whole human to France and place both him and Hollande
                  under the Guillotine- far more fun. Who will hold
                  the basket though?

                • Shazza

                  There will be a stampede…..

                • telemachus

                  Interesting that you mention France the guillotine
                  I am a great admirer of the radical Jacobins and our beknighted isle could do with a dose of that philosophy

                • Shazza

                  Oh dear tele…..

                  It is ‘benighted’ not “beknighted”………

                  More evidence of that trendy education ……….

                • telemachus

                  No spellcheck on iPad

                • Kitty MLB

                  I am not in the slightest part surprised that you admire
                  a group who spread fear during the revolution. Killed
                  the King, and the decent aristocracy and against the Church. I suppose you prefer
                  Mosques these days. I also assume you like that scoundrel
                  Robespierre.

                • telemachus

                  Indeed
                  A great man

                • Kitty MLB

                  Telemachus, are you the offspring of Cardinal Richelieu
                  and Madam de Merteuil by any chance? And was Rasputin
                  your God Father?

                • sarah_13

                  And the terror too no doubt.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  Ah! Rousseau and Robespierre. And Stalin of course. With teachers like that how can you go wrong?

                • Kitty MLB

                  Will not mention the telemachus secret love ( Marques de Sade)
                  He may also admire that villain Beria Lavrentry. Stalin was
                  petrified of him. An expert in counterintelligence and a skilled
                  politician. And the one who was in control of the Gulag camps.
                  Not a nice fellow, Fergus, not very nice indeed.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Little surprise that an admirer of Stalin should also admire the instigators of the Reign of Terror (5 September 1793 – 28 July 1794) also known simply as The Terror (French: la Terreur). A period of of violent oppression marked by mass executions of “enemies of the revolution” – human beings, men, women and children. The death toll ranged in the tens of thousands, with 16,594 executed by guillotine (2,639 in Paris) and another 25,000 in summary executions across France. Real people whose lives were snuffed out by those who put their political ideology before any human compassion. Like you.

                  So much for “caring” and “reasonableness”. But we well know the true colours nailed to your mast and your penchant for inciting the murder of political dissenters. Like your hero Brown you conceive everything in terms of malice towards those who disagree with you, who do not conform. You begin with demonisation and end with incitement to murder.

                  In short you stink.

                • Shazza

                  Your learning curve is not working too well.

                  It is Miliband’s inadequacy and not “Milibands inadequacy”.

                • telemachus

                  Not an English graduate
                  But common sense in abundance

                • Alexsandr

                  Learning between possessives and plurals is primary school grammar. You are clearly a result of trendy failed education methods. Your lack of grammar perhaps is a symptom of muddled thinking

                • telemachus

                  I did am not an alumnus of your expensive alma mater

                • Alexsandr

                  primary school and comp????

                • Shazza

                  Excellent.

                • Kitty MLB

                  Actually this is all part of the Telemachus game to
                  appear ‘ in touch’ with the workers. He had an excellent education attained from the city of dreaming spires no less.

                • Shazza

                  Well if he gets his way, it will be the city of wailing minarets soon.

                • Kitty MLB

                  Indeed he says the university city that dear little telemachus
                  attended represents privilege. But what the wee chap
                  really means is that it represents the traditions of Englishness and our culture, as well as history.
                  So indeed mass destruction is the final solution.
                  I suggest they build a defence wall around the city,
                  just in case he decides to visit the old haunts.

                • James Strong

                  You silly woman.
                  You need an apostophe when you write about ‘Miliband’s inadequacy.’

              • Fergus Pickering

                What have they learned? They seem to have learned nthing since their last taste of power.

          • Colonel Mustard

            So much for conviction politics. Your communist gang are only interested in power.

            • telemachus

              Power is necessary to achieve change
              The whole purpose of politics is to drive change

              • Colonel Mustard

                No it isn’t. The purpose is to represent the wishes of the majority of people not a loony left minority. And the ‘change’ that New Labour ‘drove’ from 1997 to 2010 has had horrible consequences for England and was without the peoples consent.

                Why do you national socialist/communist mutants lie so much? Why do you say ‘change’ when you mean ‘revolution’ and ‘power’ when you mean the power to oppress?

                • telemachus

                  Change for better in the name of the majority

                • Alexsandr

                  hows this for a good few changes. Cut taxes. cut benefits to those who truly need them, get rid of DfID, Leave the EU and stop the hemorrhaging of funds to the undemocratic failed institution.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  You need to learn the difference between intentions and consequences. So does your party.

                  New Labour did not change things for the better. Britain is a worse place than before Blair set foot in No.10.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  Ah, Rousseau! The General Will.

              • Tom Tom

                The sole purpose of politics is POWER……the use of Power is to gain Wealth

      • telemachus

        Forget the EU Parliament and Council elections
        The demographic for May 2015 delivers 43 Tory marginals to Labour and zero Labour marginals
        We are greatly helped by the projected collapse of the LibDem vote

        • Colonel Mustard

          In your dreams tel. Not going to happen now. Your muppet leader is history.

          • telemachus

            In the long run yes
            See my reply to your besotted one above

            • Colonel Mustard

              And his Gordon Brown has-been gang too.

        • Kitty MLB

          What about Len McClusky being impressed with
          Nigel Farage’s ‘ Peoples Army’ against the establishment.
          Your soon to be lost Old Labour voters were also impressed.
          You trapped them, they had no alternative but now
          UKIP the new party for Old Labour- its catchy- don’t you think?

          • telemachus

            I see a lot of dreamers round here
            The dreams will not be fulfilled
            UKIP will March over the cliff after May
            A one man band is not sustainable

            • Kitty MLB

              A man once uttered the immortal words: ‘ I Have a Dream’
              I small group of decent men can do far more then a
              larger group of scoundrels and miscreants.

    • Colonel Mustard

      The tagger tagged.

  • http://www.biologymad.com/ HD2

    No, but the absence of all but a handful of LD MP’s after 2015 WILL be.

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