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David Cameron tells Britain to be ‘more confident about our status as a Christian country’

16 April 2014

5:26 PM

16 April 2014

5:26 PM

David Cameron is doing God. He has followed up his comments about his faith at last week’s Downing Street reception with an article for The Church Times in which he declares that we should be ‘more confident about our status as a Christian country’ and ‘frankly, more evangelical about a faith that compels us to get out there and make a difference to people’s lives.’

This is a strikingly different tone to the one that Cameron used to adopt. Back in opposition, he talked about his faith being ‘like reception for Magic FM in the Chilterns: it sort of comes and goes’.

Personally, as I say in the magazine this week, I find Cameron’s openness about the importance of religion in his life refreshing. If we are to be a truly tolerant country we should be as relaxed about politicians doing God as we are at the prospect of an Atheist becoming Prime Minister; rightly, no one is worried about the fact Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg are Atheists.

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  • Bonkim

    “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” Matthew 7.21

  • Conway

    If we are to be a truly tolerant country we should be as relaxed about
    politicians doing God as we are at the prospect of an Atheist becoming
    Prime Minister
    ” I would not feel relaxed about any muslim in power doing G*d, to be honest, given what the koran has to say about treatment of the kuffar (that’s dhimmis, ie all non-muslims in a muslim state). If that ever happens we can kiss goodbye to any semblance of tolerance and good luck to anybody championing “gay rights”.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    “Christian country”
    Worthy of a top 10 ranking on your, “Emigrate, reasons to” list.

  • R Fairless

    It’s a bit late for that. Cameron pursues the most immoral unchristian policies and expects us to believe he is a Christian. The immorality of members of parliament and the government is publicly supported and encouraged by Cameron who fails to censure most deplorably unchristian behaviour. Furthermore, the country is awash with muslims, all of whom are anti-christian, and many active supporters of extremism. His home and foreign policy reflects his attitude towards this increasing danger. No Christian in his right mind would provide weapons and support to the muslim extremists attacking Syria, yet that is what Cameron and his henchman Hague have been doing. The consequence is, that I find it impossible to accept that Cameron is a good example of Christian morality.

  • Keith D

    A bit of crafty deflection from Dave with the Euros coming up.

    Thats “its nothing to do with Islam ” Dave lest we forget.
    Thats lets do f..k all about the continuing mass immigration of the adherents of the ROP Dave.
    Thats lets do the bare minimum on issues that repel the Christian and secular rump of our population, eh Dave.
    Thats gloss over FGM, terrorist training schools in Brum and above all, lets enshrine the disgusting Sharia in our legal system so our Muslim overlords can feel at home, eh Dave.

    Your fooling no-one on here, so maybe not so crafty after all. You wont get any returnees from UKIP with this crap. We’re the ones who get it.

  • Lady Magdalene

    He’s a hypocrite and who wants to be lectured about religion by a politician.
    Does he seriously think that copying Blair’s sanctimonious claptrap is going to win him votes?

  • Davidh

    Please, no.

    Remember what happened when Bush and Blair got all Christian together and tried to make the world a better place? They invaded Iraq and caused approx. half a million deaths. A fine way to “get out there and make a difference to people’s lives”.

    When it comes to governance and certainly foreign policy, let’s have more rationality and less faith.

  • Brigantian

    It is perhaps worth remembering how Jesus Christ defined being a Christian in any debate like this: if you do good, no matter what name you use for God or what religion you profess, then you are a Christian: if you do evil you are not. ‘God’ after all is a pagan Norse word that Jesus probably never knew. All men know right from wrong from the day they are born. Some just pretend not to.

    • Chingford Man

      Chapter and verse for this in the Bible?

  • Brigantian

    But when British Christians told him what they thought about gay marriage he decided it did not matter and chose to listen to Satanists living in California instead.

  • Mike Barnes

    Which Christianity exactly? The one Jesus practiced, helping the poor and stuff?

    Not much of that from Dave.

  • London Calling

    we need to feel more confident that those who lead us protect and cherish our land, that is deeply Christian and requires a return to being proud to be British and restoring our true place in Europe, not ruled by the EU…………….:)

  • Tom Tom

    If Cameron is a Christian I have serious doubts about what Christianity means in Modern Britain. I know whatever he opines is not Belief but posturing

  • the viceroy’s gin

    So the Oz guy says Dave should do the god thing, is it? Well, it’s nice to know he’s sincere about it all.

  • http://www.CaerphillyPreserves.co.uk/ No Good Boyo

    All good stuff, and I certainly don’t object. I’m just curious why we never seem to hear this stuff from the bishops. Surely it’s fo!r three clergy to encourage people to thump their Bibles, and the prime minister to talk about politics?

    I’m reminded of a comment of Harold Macmillan’s. He was quite a devout man who enjoyed a theological discussion. He commented, though, that the then archbishop of Canterbury always seemed bored of talking about Good, and couldn’t wait to change the subject to politics.

    • Colonel Mustard

      I bet Macmillan didn’t say “bored of”. I can almost guarantee he would have said “bored with”.

    • Mike Barnes

      We’ve heard lots of stuff from the bishops recently.

      They’re usually writing to newspapers complaining about the coalition’s actions towards the most vulnerable in society.

  • Smithersjones2013

    frankly, more evangelical about a faith that compels us to get out there and make a difference to people’s lives.’

    So David Cameron will lead the Tory faithful in a rousing rendition of ‘Onward Christian soldiers’ at the commencement of their next party conference? I didn’t think so…………

  • AlexanderGalt

    His enthusiasm for Christianity might be more credible if he wasn’t responsible for delivering the coup de grace to marriage.

    That Ruthless Truth guy really nails it in: “Dearly Beloved at:

    http://john-moloney.blogspot.com/2014/04/normal-0-21-false-false-false-pl-x-none.html

    • telemachus

      Many feel that Jesus Christ and the twelve were gay

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …many feel that you should be delivered to the hangman.

        • telemachus

          Fortunately Sidney Silverman thwarted you

          • the viceroy’s gin

            …it’s not over, lad.

            • telemachus

              Sadly for you it is
              You are beginning to sound like the lunatic Andy

              • Colonel Mustard

                And you are beginning to sound like the lunatic telemachus . . . oh, hang on . . .

              • the viceroy’s gin

                …no, sadly for you, it isn’t.

                You have always sounded like a socialist nutter.

          • Tom Tom

            Sidney Silverman was Roy Jenkins stooge

          • Andy

            Restoration is merely a vote away. The public favour it.

      • Tom Tom

        Many feel they were Englishmen

      • Baron

        But did they marry each other, telemachus, that’s the question.

  • lazerbenabba

    Another reason to qualify any further statements from this representative of the coterie of “Old Etonians”, trying to extend not only their unpalatable,” I am better than you ethos” but also now trampling upon the secular society that should be representative of England; this continuing angst that Christianity or any other religion is not receiving its full place in society is showing clearly that whilst we have Prime Ministers perpetuating the archaic and totally irrelevant influence of religion, the longer it will be for English citizens to overcome the touching of the forelock to their professed betters…..I emphasize citizens not subjects, what a giveaway that is.

  • MirthaTidville

    Oh come on, he might as well do religion…He`s useless at everything else

  • cremaster

    Well then. CamOron can start by closing the officially recognised Sharia courts in this country.

  • southerner

    The destruction of the institution of marriage. The prosecution of the west country hoteliers.

    • Kitty MLB

      ‘ The destruction of the institution of marriage’.
      No, people are just free to marry if they wish. Even,
      ‘Shock, horror’ same gender people.God actually is
      not against Love.What he is against are those who
      murder in his name.

      • Hexhamgeezer

        Perhaps your God is against murder – I certainly couldn’t prove it either way, but people (as in everyone) are not free to marry who they wish just as people (as in everyone) are not free to contract civil unions with whom they wish. The State has stepped in to redefine marriage at the behest of a vanishingly small group of lobbyists and not in accordance with anything desired any known God.

        • telemachus

          Just a minute
          What is your evidence of God’s views on any of this
          Man divined the monogamous marriage between man and woman as a societal stabilising factor for a number of centuries
          Man then recognised the value of stable gay relationships over anarchical promiscuous gay communities
          This is not God
          Go with the flow

          • Hexhamgeezer

            Shouldn’t you be revising?

            • telemachus

              I am
              Revising my first draft of ‘Socialism in the Service of the People’
              Coming out next spring from a provincial publisher

              • Andy

                No publisher would be stupid enough to take such drivel. Anyway we all know you can’t write to save your miserable life.

              • Darnell Jackson

                Shouldn’t it be titled “Nepotism On A Plate”?

              • Hexhamgeezer

                Don’t you mean ‘Coming out next spring from a provincial photocopier’?

          • Fergus Pickering

            Are you a Christian, Telemachus? I think we should be told. Or are you godless like the Eds?

      • Tom Tom

        Really ? Marriage is a Sacrament in the Roman Church but not in the Anglican Church. However, you are theologically unsound in doctrinal terms

        • telemachus

          Sacraments are outward and visible signs of spiritual grace
          Marriage is one such sign according to the 1666 Anglican Common Prayer Book

          • Tom Tom

            What is this 1666 Anglican Common Prayer Book ? There is a 1662 Book of Common Prayer…….and there are but TWO Sacraments – Baptism and Communion – Romans have SEVEN

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Don`t you just love those people who claim to know the mind of God.
        So if you ever do run into God or Mr. Jesus Christ, ask them from me what sort of third rate operation they think they`re running down here.

    • foxoles

      Meanwhile, ‘UK to introduce Sharia finance for Muslim students’

      http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/04/16/UK-to-introduce-shariah-finance-for-Muslim-students

      Don’t look at what he says, look at what he does …

      • Fergus Pickering

        I don’t think he did that. It was lawyers who’ll do anything for money. But lawyers are like that. If Cameron says he’s a Christian then he’s a Christian. I think JC says something to that effect. And being a Christian is good. Not a muslim of a believer in global warming or the EU. Yup! Stay with it Dave..

        • Conway

          If Cameron says he’s a Christian then he’s a Christian.” I think you’ll find that faith without works is dead (James 2; 26).

          • Fergus Pickering

            Oh, a Bible quoter. I don’t care for that kind of Christianity. Do you get your religion out of a BOOK?

    • revkevblue

      I will not bother posting, you have said it for me.

  • Kitty MLB

    The whole existence of Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband happens to be more
    of an issue then their lack of faith.( which doesn’t surprize me with those dark voids
    of emptiness) shallow, short termism, untrustworthy and pointless.
    Cameron needs to remember that although we tolerate other religions in this country
    we are indeed a Christian country and not a Islamic etc country
    even the Church of England needs to try a little harder.

    • telemachus

      The second half of your post is laudable
      As for Ed you will know he recently went on a moving reconnection with his faith to Israel

      • Colonel Mustard

        Pity he didn’t stay there. He would not be missed.

        • telemachus

          Dangerous ground comrade

          • Colonel Mustard

            I’m not your comrade. I’m your enemy.

        • Andy

          He could have gone to live in Gaza.

  • Colonel Mustard

    I always thought he was more suited to the pulpit. The Right Reverend Cameron, Vicar to the UK.

    • telemachus

      I would prefer Vicar Cameron to Godless Farage

      • MirthaTidville

        you`d prefer anybody to Farage, `cos your frightened of him

        • telemachus

          I feel sorry for Farage
          He has no policies
          He is losing his party
          And now he is mired in sleaze

          • Baron

            Quite frankly, telemachus, it’s neither here nor there how you feel about Nigel, but Baron reckons it’s because of Nigel and the one who loves stripping to the waist that the likes of the boy are beginning to turn, not alot, and very likely only because the count is coming.

            The thing is though the affinity of the unwashed with the take on things of the one you so dislike is likely to continue to grow until the time of dislodging the progressives you are batting for. You’ll see.

      • Colonel Mustard

        I would prefer both to Son of Communist.

        • telemachus

          Please learn
          I warned earlier today about reprehensible Dacre-isms

          • Andy

            Miliband was a Marxist idiot who should never have been allowed into our country.

    • Kitty MLB

      Yes, you have always said this Colonel . Maybe Cameron missed his vocation
      in life.

      • telemachus

        I shared a few of your posts with my wife and she agrees that you are besotted

        • Kitty MLB

          With whom, pray tell me.
          Oh, send my regards to Mrs Telemachus,
          tell her I think she must be a saint for putting
          Up with you.

          • telemachus

            Nicholas
            And yes she is a saint

            • Andy

              She needs to be married to a Fascist p*llock like you. But perhaps she should divorce you before you are tried, convicted and hanged for Treason.

        • Colonel Mustard

          A week ago you were referring to your “husband”.

        • Tom Tom

          You found it improved your conjugal relations ? Sad.

  • swatnan

    In fact we were told by EdM only last week that ‘ he would be the first Jew in his family to go to No 10’. I know, Dizzy would be turning in his grave.

    • lazerbenabba

      I am probably being pedantic but even though Dizzy, born a Jew and never renounced his heritage was converted by his family to Christianity for reasons that are fairly obvious.

      • Tom Tom

        Can a Jew convert ? If so what is a Jew ?

        • lazerbenabba

          Why so surprised? As with any religion, a change of mind or faith occurs often, however a Jew, and I know there is much argument about this, very rarely relinquishes their racial heritage nor their association with the often traumatic past. A non Jew may convert to Judaism out of a religious belief but never and could never realise the same affinity that comes with being born a Jew.
          Sorry but that is how it is.
          Bye the bye, I married out and also a staunch atheist but nevertheless I am still a Jew!.

          • Tom Tom

            Still don’t see it. If a Jew without faith claims to be part of the Tribe of Judah is he then worshipper of the golden calf?

            • lazerbenabba

              Of course not, no more than an atheist Arab, of which there are more than a few, does not detract from their Arab heritage nor their race and they do not worship the equivalent ancient numerous gods of Egypt or elsewhere.The UK government has by accepting the Jew as a race has prevented some of the worst excesses of prejudice that always follows Jews but it is still an uphill struggle as you still appear to not accept my atheism and still being a Jew.
              During the Spanish inquisition many Jews were tortured or coerced in to converting to Catholicism, becoming Moronos and even then they were still treated as part of the Jewish race.
              It can not be escaped from as other peoples will not let it happen…..Jews are a Race irrespective of the lack of religion.

              • Bonkim

                The Crusaders routinely slaughtered Jews in Europe and some Popes actively encouraged that. In many societies race and religion are branded together.

          • Fergus Pickering

            How on earth can anyone be a staunch believer in bugger all?

            • lazerbenabba

              Staunch means being committed, is that so hard to understand.
              In any discussion, I am just as enthusiastic to anyone who will participate, that religion is an utter waste of space and give reason after reason to justify my stance.

        • Fergus Pickering

          Of course a Jew can convert. Miliband has. Diizzy’s father did. But he remains a Jew.

      • http://english-pensioner.blogspot.co.uk/ english_pensioner

        Depends whether you consider Jewishness to be a race or a religion. If Dizzy wasn’t a Jew, neither is Miliband as he’s a proclaimed atheist.

        • lazerbenabba

          Unfortunately this is where there is great misunderstanding of what it means to be a Jew; if you look above to my original brief explanation in my reply to TomTom, otherwise Wikipedia also attempts in a relatively short precis to explain further.
          A Jew is more than a follower of the teachings of the Talmud, it is a profound acceptance of the almost 6 millennia history and heritage of the Jewish RACE; this is important to realise that throughout the diaspora which encompasses almost every country in the world where Jews have fled to and also been welcomed, only to be removed again and again, there has always been the basic premise of their Jewishness, religious or otherwise.

      • terence patrick hewett

        Read all of yr posts and substantially agree: Disraeli senior had a dispute when elected Parnass of Bevis Marks: after a second financial wrangle he left the congregation and had his children baptised as Anglican. This does not preclude him from being a Jew.

    • Tom Tom

      Why should it be important for a Jew to be in Downing Street ? I fail to see why it should benefit anyone ? When will a Muslim be PM of Israel ?

  • Rhoda Klapp8

    “no one is worried about the fact Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg are Atheists.”

    There is so much other stuff to worry about with those two, such as ineffectiveness, stupidity and sheer political class uselessness, that it would be way down any list to think of atheism as a problem.

    • Robert_Eve

      Spot on!!

    • Kitty MLB

      It matters a little Rhonda. Those with faith have some kind of morality which
      some say comes from God, although that is another subject.
      But yes, totally agree, those two have so many issues.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      1. ineffectiveness
      2. stupidity
      3. sheer political class uselessness
      4. treason
      5. payroll fraud, multiple counts numbering their total paydays in office
      6. assault with intent to do great rhetorical harm
      7. commercial lisping without a proper permit
      8. public nuisance hairstylings
      9. possession of an unvaccinated housepet named “Cable”
      10.

  • telemachus

    I was told today about a complaint to a primary school about the teaching of the Eater message from a father, a WASP, whose son was reported to have had a nightmare after hearing about the crucifixion
    *
    And here is the killer, the Local Authority have instituted an investigation

    • Colonel Mustard

      Surprised New Labour’s police haven’t instituted an investigation.

      • telemachus

        I think the point is that the world has gone mad when a head is not left to deal with a simple distraught father

        • Colonel Mustard

          Well yes and it is mainly you and your comrades who have brought us here.

          • telemachus

            In applying fairness we all need to apply common sense

            • Colonel Mustard

              But you don’t have any common sense. Your comments speak of inanity and robotic belief.

              • telemachus

                This was a genuine post of disgust whatever the supposed attribution of the cause even if our team

                • Colonel Mustard

                  You wouldn’t know what ‘genuine’ was if it was tattooed in reverse across your forehead so you could read it every time you look in the mirror.

                • telemachus

                  Further I am dealing with this directly through sympathetic Governors

                • Colonel Mustard

                  You shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a school.

                • telemachus

                  To change the topic slightly education is about moulding young minds to fit in our society
                  To this end it is vital they understand reasonableness and caring

                • Colonel Mustard

                  You should not be allowed anywhere near young minds.

                • Hexhamgeezer

                  Hopefully his CRB request was turned down.

    • Bonkim

      Easter is a continuation of the Pagan Spring Festival. Nothing Christian in many so called Christian occasions.

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