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What today’s polls mean for the Tories and Labour

23 March 2014

6:43 PM

23 March 2014

6:43 PM

The Labour party’s reaction to today’s opinion polls will tell us a great deal about how well Ed Miliband has really invested in his party. If the backbenchers feel they have a stake in the Labour leader, and as though he is worth fighting for – which Conservative MPs have often not felt about Cameron, leading to them airing their dirty laundry in public – then the panic in the party won’t break out beyond John Mann’s intervention today. The backbencher told Pienaar’s Politics that ‘of course it’s a warning shot and it would be naive to think otherwise. I think the message is that we need to be much clearer and I think simpler in putting across what our alternative is and what we stand for.’

Mann said this wasn’t just a Miliband problem but also the Shadow Cabinet and the whole party. But the Shadow Cabinet do worry about a lack of strategy and an absence of a clear message that they can work with too.

The test for the Conservative party is whether today’s figures (and of course setting a great deal of store by just one weekend’s polling is where the electoral madness lies) gives MPs – from backbencher all the way to Chancellor – a sense that they should pull together and stop wondering about non-existent leadership contests.

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  • ALFIE BROWN

    how could anyone of sound mind even consider voting for this rabble of P.T.A fools!

  • http://batman-news.com The Commentator

    The first electoral test will be in May 2014. UKIP may come first or a close second, at that point many Tory MPs will lose their nerve and start attacking the party leadership, this will lead to more voters gravitating towards Labour or UKIP. Conservatives now look similar to the old Liberal party, memories of a general election victory fading ever further into the past. If UKIP poll 10-11% in 2015 which seems likely the Tories are dead and buried – probably permanently.

  • Fergus McKenzie

    The basic facts;

    Ed Miliband won’t get a Labour majority

    They picked the wrong brother

    The Tories won’t get an outright majority either

    If the Tories are the biggest party we will have another GE after a few months as Cameron has said he won’t enter into another coalition with the Libs – whether Cameron would still be leader at that 2nd GE is an interesting question – he might jump or he might be pushed

    If Labour are the biggest party they will probably attempt a coalition with the Libs but on condition that Clegg steps down – if he refuses to then we will have another GE within a few months – whether Ed would still be leader at that 2nd GE is na interesting question – he is unlikely to jump but he might be pushed

  • Daidragon

    No real change in the polls. Mini bounce for the Tories. Couple of points off UKIP. Labour unchanged. Think Osbourne will be disappointed. His pension idea has resonated, but not much. Doesn’t look like a game changer despite the positive press. Still think we are heading for a hung parliament. Not sure who wlll be the largest party.

    • Colonel Mustard

      Osborne. He is not Ozzie.

  • Peter Stroud

    For pity’s sake, it is still far too early to worry about opinion polls, with regard to the 2015 election.

  • Senseoffairness

    Labour lead still predicted over 30 seat majority. Suck on that Cammo!

  • Samuel Kaine Wheeler

    Those figures would still make Labour the largest party.

  • Tom

    Has telemachus left the building!!!.

    • Colonel Mustard

      Hope so!

  • RavenRandom

    The beginning of the end for Miliband? Neck and neck, at this stage? Not good. Hopefully they’ll can Miliband and replace him with Balls.

    • Tom

      Out of the frying pan into the fire then!.

      • alabenn

        They would go for the even more weak minded fools, Obama`s clone Chuka or that dreadful hag with a strangulated hernia for a voice box Reeves.
        Both have been gutted by Andrew Neil, both promoted regardless, should make them shoo ins.

  • anyfool

    Labour has never been in a commanding position poll wise where it should have been 8 to 10 points above its 37% that it needs to be almost guaranteed a Commons majority, 35% will do if everything falls in to place for them, countrywide variations ensure life is not like that, the 63% that are left if Labour manage 37% can still divide up in a way that still does not give a Labour majority, like the budget it is the details that matter.
    It is hard to see Miliband getting Browns percentage, after all Brown unlike his witless acolyte had the advantage of incumbency, incumbency is always worth a point or two, maybe more.

    • HookesLaw

      If the economy has passed its downside and labour are on 37, then they will have a problem getting a majority. How they must be praying for the right to keep their vote split.

      • Alexsandr

        yes. tories must decline to stand to save splitting the right vote. (Just put that in to wind up hooky)

        but of course UKIP will take votes from those who didnt vote last time, and from labour and the limp dems.

        • HookesLaw

          You live in dreams. The limp dems? There is only one party splitting the right vote – the joke party the party of kippers. Putins friends.
          The Conservative Party have followed sound policies since coming into power and inheriting the mess left by Labour (again) and deserve to get a majority next time.

          • Alexsandr

            sound economic policies? dont make me laugh. They have failed to get the defecit under control, preferring to splurge taxpayers money -like the latest announcement about childcare. And their ability to manage their PR has frankly been rubbish, with the latest balls up this week over the bingo and beer poster. I am bitterly disappointed in the party I voted for in 2001 and I am afraid, never again.

            • HookesLaw

              They have pursued sound eonomic policiies, creating a net gain in employment whilst even Mr Nelson has to admit there have been 700,000 public sector jobs lost.

              Just because you live in a dream world much akin to Tele’s does not mean you talk sense. Indeed you are a victim of hysteria.

              • Alexsandr

                and you often talk as much rubbish as telemachus. and have to resort to insults when you are losing the argument.

                • HookesLaw

                  You live in a world of make believe.
                  The Tories have been cutting the deficit and at the same time not pulling the rug from the economy. Hundreds of thousands of public sector jobs have gone. We have, as an example, just had news that Hitachi is moving all its global train building buiness to the UK, to the Noeth east. I don’t suppose the North East will thank the Tories but we can still be pleased.
                  Factory orders rose in March and our car industry goes from strength to strength, whilst socialist France has vast overcapacity which will lead to job losses.
                  British exports were at a record high in 2013.

                • Wessex Man

                  This is not true Hooky but then when have you ever let the truth get in the way of your proganda, British exports and now back to the levels of 2004.

                  This is in spite of the EU not because of it, The IMF forcast that the Eurozone GDP will fall by another 0.4% next year, yet as you freely admit British exports are climbing.

                  You and Call me Dave forgot about the rest of the world again!

                • ARDNASSAC

                  Yes but even that 2004 level was after 7 rapid years of decline in a booming world economy. But more significantly, I think you are confusing ‘levels’ with % share as our export volumes really have risen substantially in the last few years compared with 2010. Surely that is all that the Coalition can be judged on in that area. I am confident that we will not avoid further declines in market share of exports but we are on course to increase volumes further. I never thought I’d live to see the day when are car production would (soon) overtake that of France. What’s my point? Most of that is exported!

          • Tom

            You failed to get a majority against one of the most despised prime ministers in modern times so I really can’t see it happening in 2015.

            • HookesLaw

              Conservatives gained nearly 100 seats. If you look at the marginals where UKIP interfered they would have got a majority, but getting nealy 100 seats is a modern record, its hardly ever happened before.

              • Alexsandr

                UKIP interfered? You dont have a god given right to anybodies vote. the tory party could well do with remembering it. I feat them not having that simple fact tattooed on their foreheads that will eventually cost them dear in 2015.

                • HookesLaw

                  UKIP split the right wing vote and cost tories marginal seats. Its no use pretending otherwise. Supporting the loony and now discredited Farage will only let in labour — Europhile Laboiur.
                  And the tories still won 100 seats despite that and skewed boundaries and being pants in Scotland – a modern record.

                • Daidragon

                  UKIP had 3% of the vote in 2010. Not really a factor. Cameron lost out on a majority because he’s a vacuous lightweight who got found out in the debates.

              • Tom

                That still doesn’t tell me how they will get a majority, you can’t be expecting to gain 40 or however many it is to gain a majority.
                You mentioned UKIP well they will be an even bigger thorn in your side in 2015.

                • HookesLaw

                  The tories need to net gain about 21 seats for a majority. Thanks for reminding us that its UKIP which can stop that.

              • Wessex Man

                Dear old Hooky, you are a gift to Ukip and you don’t even realise that you are. You are very much the Ken Clarke of the Spectator blogosphere.

                Dear old Ken has had to relaunch his Eurpoean Mainstream group due to lack of interest, unfortunately out of the 305 Tory MPs at Westminster a only 20 bothered to turn up.

                Rats, sinking ships maybe?

              • Daidragon

                Less gains than Blair in 97. That was the high tide mark for Cameron and it still wasn’t enough to win a majority.

              • ARDNASSAC

                It hardly happened before (swing of 100 seats) because the voting system (variation in constituency sizes, etc) had changed so much to the Tories disadvantage in the last 50 years. Nevertheless, I agree that in percentage terms it was still a very big increase in vote share (30-37%?). Whilst bombshells (before elections) can often disturb established patterns, it is difficult to see how Labour can avoid losing 3 or 4 points from it current polling level given the pattern of previous run-ups to a General Election. That could mean the Tories will poll higher than 37%. Is that possible? If you believe that a lot of Libdem/Tory swingers were put off by fears of ultra austerity before the last election and stayed with Libdems (many people really did believe there could be 5m unemployed) then a share higher than 37% is likely (I know it is unusual to increase this share based on history). Any one who disagrees would have to put up a sound argument as to why, in spite of there being many angry/hurt voters around, the Tories are only a couple of points off their 2010 result at this stage.

        • Kitty MLB

          And that will mean another pointless coalition
          of whatever colours, battles, babysitting
          by larger party and incompetence.
          You may find the eletorate will be even
          more determined that we never have
          another coaliion again.After all the Lib Dum
          message was ‘we stopped the Tories’
          In their duty towards country- that is.
          As for UKIP, as lovely as they are, and
          as promising as they are, things
          will be between Conservatives and Labour
          as usual and we shall win.

  • asalord

    Labour is struggling in Scotland, even though Scotland is supposed to be Labour’s heartland.
    A good result for ukip in the EU elections will further boost the Yes vote in Scotland.

  • Tom

    Elections are usually dull but 2015 is shaping up to be a cliffhanger.

    • glurk

      Its going to make the graphics on telly more boggling than usual, the political garbage wittered on screen by unrecognisable and unknown heads is going to take on a surreal cast…think Id better start saving up for the beer and crisps and get the invites out. Looks like being a long night! Somebody get Telly off the roof and give him a beer. He can jump later.

  • telemachus

    Do not panic
    The focus at present is getting the May Euro elections with the inevitable Tory drubbing by Ukip and the Scottish referendum behind us
    Then there will be a long cold winter when the public will be drubbed with the misery being un-necessarily caused by the Tories by engineering a progressive fall in living standards
    Pensioners, new pensioners rather than prospective get rich quick Osborne Pensioners will be dying of cold, lying in hospital corridors waiting to see a doctor and spending long freezing months stuck indoors for lack of ability to walk by lack of hip replacement
    And all with the charismatic team in waiting to replace the grey men
    *
    We are buoyant

    • RavenRandom

      Yes UKIP will do well at the protest vote know as Euro elections. Fair enough it reflects a specific dislike of the EU. Given that, it is then a real vote loser for Labour… who won’t give the public a choice. That’s Labour who don’t trust people to spend their own money… totalitarian tendencies perhaps?

      • telemachus

        The relevance of Europe and Ukip remains the split of the Tory vote in the 43 Tory marginals that will thus be delivered to Labour
        On current projections Ukip will get between one and three Westminster seats in May 2015

        • Alexsandr

          wonder how many they will get off labour as their core white vote ebbs away as the extent of their betrayal by a paedophile loving, defecit denying, undemocratic, millionaire metropolitan elite PLP that watched over limitless immigration taking away the jobs, housing and services of hard working families.

          • telemachus

            Take away the unjustified slurs and a distillate of your post is a party that put public services including Health above fiscal scruitability to the benefit of all and is now addressing the pensions and elderly care time bomb by bringing in vigorous young migrants to fill the tax coffers
            We will win

            • Alexsandr

              put public services … above fiscal scruitability
              that looks to me like an admission of fiscal irresponsibility.

              and whhich of Ihe points I made were untrue?

        • HookesLaw

          Say that a bit louder please.

    • roger

      After the enormous mess Labour left this country in are you really surprised that there has had to be a fall in peoples living standards?
      Incidentally it was not just the economy that was left broken but every other government department from welfare to education and beyond.
      The stupid comments you make on this site make us all wonder whether you are for real or just a wind up merchant. It’s worrying that there are many others like you who would let the idiots back into power.

      • telemachus

        A majority in our nation are aching to return to responsible caring government

        • Tom

          When was that I must have blinked.

          • telemachus

            Do not blink
            Remember the white heat of technology

            • Colonel Mustard

              The sound of the toilet chain more likely. Labour are going to get flushed. Lots of your chickens are going to come home to roost from all those who have good reason to despise you and have not forgotten.

        • saffrin

          If that’s true, both you and your Labour party should know they have no chance in May this year or after.

          • telemachus

            This May is lost to Ukip to the benefit of ourselves next May

            • saffrin

              You just keep dreaming. This ex-lifelong Labour voter despises everything today’s labour party stand for.

              • telemachus

                Those who betray the movement deserve all our Opprobium

                • saffrin

                  The Labour party betrayed the movement which is why your party deserves and receives much Opprobrium from hundreds of thousands of ex-Labour party voters.
                  Say hello to Nigel teleachus, he is after all your next Prime Minister.

                • Kitty MLB

                  Hello, and its about time we heard the
                  oppinions of a genuine and hardworking
                  Labour voter and one who is honest enough
                  to mention the damage that Labour inflicted
                  to this country and how their policies
                  had a detrimental effect on the lives
                  of Labour voters more then anyone else.
                  I am just sorry that you feel my party
                  cannot help you, we can you know
                  but your not interested, are you?

                • saffrin

                  No. Labour died decades ago, a thing I realised shortly after 1997, the last time I voted labour. I don’t recognise you people.
                  Who or whatever you think you stand for it certainly isn’t in the best interest of the British people, the poor or the working classes.
                  Labour’s founding fathers would be horrified to see what today’s labour have turned into. Self serving liars, fraudsters and not only traitors to their own country but traitors to their traditional vote.
                  Now the north of England have another credible party to keep the Tories out I can’t see labour winning anything for many a decade. As everyday passes, more and more traditional voters are coming to see that.
                  PS, if you send Harriet Harman to a team of psychiatrists I’m convinced she’d be diagnosed clinically insane.

                  We already know she’s a hypocrite.

              • Samuel Kaine Wheeler

                Was it gay people or foreigners that got you to jump ship from a democratic socialist party to the Thatcherites in exile?

                • Colonel Mustard

                  You don’t like ‘apostates’ to your ‘religion’ so you have to try to smear them.

                  Just another example of the quasi-religious and coercive character of your ‘movement’. If you accepted the democratic will and pluralism in politics you would accept that people can make choices about which political party to support.

                • Samuel Kaine Wheeler

                  Of course he can make the choice, why he made it is what I’m interested in.

                • Kitty MLB

                  Dear Sammy, it has nothing to do with gay people or foreigners.
                  Its could – open those fingers in the iron fist of socialism and escaping. People realising they do not have a party that represents them. And that everything in regards to the last
                  Labour government had a purposely detrimental effect on their own voters.
                  Its about time Labour stopped peddling the myth about UKIP.

                • Samuel Kaine Wheeler

                  To go straight from Labour to UKIP is unlikely to be because of economic differences, if that were the case someone is more likely to move to the Tories, at least initially.

                  Therefore it’s reasonable to conclude it was because of one of the two major social issues which UKIP stand apart on. I’m simply curious which one.

                • saffrin

                  Let me put it this way, within days of winning the 1997 General Election, Tony Blair sold a manifesto commitment to a billionaire, our democracy to the rich by way of Peerages for cash, the £1 Billion wasted on a Greenwich tent called the Millenium Dome, two illegal war crimes, thirteen years of race and religious hate campaigns, habitual lies, incompetence, the wreckage of the NHS, the education of our children.
                  The list is genuinely endless.
                  Labour, 1997 – 2010 did ‘nothing’ for this country or the people but create division and wreck everything that worked.
                  From someone who was genuinely ecstatic the day Labour won the 1997 General Election after an eighteen year gap, walking the street with a grin from ear to ear enough to appear completely mad I have come to thoroughly hate the labour party and everything it stands for including those I know are still stupid enough to vote labour.
                  If the legal system wasn’t so corrupt they’d all be in jail.

                • Samuel Kaine Wheeler

                  Again, so your reasons for leaving Labour were that it was insufficiently socialist and too beholden to big business, so you’re going to vote for a party that supports a flat tax?

                • saffrin

                  I’ll be voting for a party that intends to get our country back. A party with a tax policy that will take the poor out of paying tax altogether. A party that will give British jobs to British people. A party that isn’t going to jump into any American inspired war that doesn’t threaten us directly.
                  Led by a leader that talks the talk. A talk we all understand by using common sense and not the lying BS the LibLabCon artists have been fooling the electorate with for many decades.

                • Samuel Kaine Wheeler

                  The poor out of tax altogether? So they’re going to abolish VAT? And is it now UKIP policy to withdraw from NATO, because that seems to be what you’re saying.

                  And ‘common sense’ would say that there’s no way to cut taxes massively, and boost pensions, and safeguard the NHS and increase the size of the armed forces, and reduce borrowing. No, not even if you get rid of all those horrible foreigners.

                  Do you think it’s a coincidence that so many of your new comrades, including Mr Farage, consider themselves the true keepers of the Thatcherite flame?

                • saffrin

                  None of the wars we’ve been dragged into have anything to do with NATO policy, VAT is an EU tax, the NHS is falling apart due to the pressures of open door mass immigration and foreign aid money is borrowed, so stopping that alone would reduce borrowing.

            • HookesLaw

              Polls show UKIP 3rd

        • MikeBrighton

          You imply Labour were responsible and caring? Yes I guess it was caring if you were a fox as under Labour it was wrong to kill you, but quite ok to kill Iraqis

          • telemachus

            Please no not harp back to revisionist Blair before true Socialist Brown took over

            • Colonel Mustard

              You voted for Blair three times. And before each election you would have been peddling the same tribal tripe that you now peddle about Miliband and Balls.

              You are a busted flush.

            • Alexsandr

              the dysfunctional brown with anger management issues. a man that so loved democracy he cant be botherd to do his job in the commons, while running a fake charity to launder his income from so called lecturing. a charity so fake he has had to ask the BBC to take an interview about it down form i-player.

            • MikeBrighton

              Oh I see, the “let’s move on strategy” well it was Labour in power during it’s many wars, and as I recall one Mr G Brown was #2 to Blair who was hailed by all in Labour as the greatest ever PM. You think our memories short.
              Labour are simply murderous lying scum

              • Alexsandr

                Oh lets go further back. I remember their mismanagement under Wilson and Calahagn. They were rubbish then.

            • Wessex Man

              er, Gillian Duffy anyone?

          • Alexsandr

            and the good people of Stafford.

        • roger

          Labour a responsible government. Now I know you’re just a wind up merchant

          • telemachus

            Roger
            The longest period of sustained prosperity in history was during our last administration

            • RavenRandom

              Easy done when you borrow.

            • HookesLaw

              What, following 7.5% collapse in GDP?

            • roger

              With borrowed money that left us with a gigantic debt problem that sadly our coalition partners are preventing us from reducing more quickly.
              .

              • Kitty MLB

                Well said, poor little telemachus suffers
                from delusional issues, he has forgotten
                That his party destroyed the very foundations
                of this country.And yes your point about
                the utterly pointless Lib Dums whose
                motto is ‘we stopped the Tories’ show
                how utterly contemptuous they are
                and why this country must never have
                another coalition.

            • David Prentice

              Dear Chief Secretary, I’m afraid there is no money. Kind regards – and good luck! Liam Byrne.

            • HJ777

              Everyone feels prosperous while they are spending beyond their means rather than concentrating on increasing their income sustainably…

            • ARDNASSAC

              And a 3 fold increase in the size of our banks’ balance sheets. That was due to deposits connected to Brown’s credit bubble. That’s why some of our are banks started going bust before Lehman, etc. Indeed the sub-prime crisis got Labour off the hook somewhat; they were able to blame it on the world banking crisis. But we were there first!

        • Alexsandr

          which is why they will vote UKIP

          • telemachus

            Only in numbers to destroy the Tories

        • HookesLaw

          Clearly as the polls say there is not a majority. The govt parties regularly out poll Labour.

          • Alexsandr

            polls are useless unless you look at local factor. You must remember there will be 650 elections, all subject to local factors, and different personalities. applying a simple swing form a poll is meaningless in a close run election.

            • HookesLaw

              So thats your dream. Is that what they tell you at your local cult meeting?

              • Alexsandr

                psephology not your strong subject then?

                • HookesLaw

                  You seem to want to ignore it.

                • Alexsandr

                  no. in your warped view of the world there are no local factors. that is clearly b0110cks.

                • HookesLaw

                  Your notion that these factors are overwhelming is spheroids.

                  No doubt some MPs carry a bonus – for various reasons but not many.
                  Tim Yeo is an oaf and not wanted by his constituency, but he still added 5% to his vote in 2010

        • Fergus Pickering

          Ah yes. So I see.

      • HookesLaw

        Wind up I think. If he is typical labour then no wonder they always leave the country in a mess.

        • Alexsandr

          not convinced he isn’t a stooge, a spectator staff journo sent to wind us up.

      • ARDNASSAC

        Unfortunately there are very many; even at a forum like YouGov where you would expect generally balanced opinions. Very worrying!

    • Rowdie111

      It takes that kind of thinking from Labour supporters doesn’t it just…….lets’ pray for misery, pensioners dying of cold, spending freezing months, without walking due not being able to get a hip replacement”. and if all that comes about “we are buoyant” because they will then vote for us!

      I just hope there are many pensioners reading this post…..this is the kind of thinking from Labour supporters…..take note! and make sure you don’t cast your vote for this lot…just shows you their character.

      • telemachus

        Gladly the pensioners who will suffer this winter will heed and conclude that a vote anything other than for Labour would be a betrayal of their families onto whose alms they will be forced to turn

        • MikeBrighton

          Winter is (hopefully) over dude, you’ll have to wait another 6 months for next winter hoping for suffering pensioners to patronise

          • telemachus

            My comments related to next winter after the excitement of the referendum

            • Alexsandr

              NEXT winter then, telemachus the inaccurate.

    • saffrin

      “Pensioners will be dying of cold, lying in hospital corridors waiting to see a doctor and spending long freezing months stuck indoors for lack of ability to walk by lack of hip replacement”
      All that was happening during your party’s administration. The fact it still is is just three of many many reasons UKIP are coming up fast in the country’s estimations

      • telemachus

        Read the facts
        No-one was waitin more than 6 weeks for NHS treatment and 95+% of patients were seen within 4 hours at emergency hospital visits
        *
        Then we had Lansley
        Then Smug Hunt

        • Alexsandr

          and before that Stafford. Labour has british blood on its hands

          • telemachus

            Burnham Sussed Stafford and instituted an inquiry

            • Colonel Mustard

              Only after an avalanche of complaints exposed his attempt at a cover up and then he refused to let managers participate because they were “too busy”.

              Burnham is a scoundrel who had his staff altering his Wiki entry to remove criticism.

              No credibility telemachus. You are as dishonest and dissembling as those you serve.

            • saffrin

              Burnham introduced the Liverpool Pathway. Any enquiry Burnham initiated would have been all about damage limitation.

            • HookesLaw

              How many different ways can you rewrite the truth. You shiould rename yourself ‘O’Brien’.

              • saffrin

                Oh what, you mean there was no Napoleonic war?

            • roger

              if anybody wants to see what the NHS looks like under Labour go to Wales and cry.

        • Tom

          4hrs to get seen and another 2 to get treated I wouldn’t call that good service.

          • HookesLaw

            Labours targets skewed the treatment paths.

            • Alexsandr

              labours big failing was the GP contract, removing 24 hours care from GP’s. That is the cause of the Casualty crisis. The 111 crisis didnt help.
              Politicians must remember that casulaty is the last port of call for the ill, and bad provision elsewhere will always result in presentations in casualty.

              • HookesLaw

                GPs haven’t had a pay rise since.

                • Alexsandr

                  it wasnt the pay level, it was them walking away from being responsible for their patients 24 hours a day.

                • HookesLaw

                  There has always been out of hours locums. You have been watching too much Dr Finlay . But you are a typical kipper – you hate everything and everybody. My advice is look for another planet.

                • Alexsandr

                  the old out of hours system the GP found the locum. the change was that the RHA how find the locums. when the GP go home now they have no responsibility for their patients, so there is no continuity of care. In case of issues you could complain to your GP. now you complain to a faceless bureaucrat.

                • HookesLaw

                  All NHS patients over the age of 75 must be
                  assigned a named, accountable GP who will oversee their care across the
                  health system.
                  GPs have a responsibility to “monitor” the effectiveness of out-of-hours services used by all their patients.
                  These are tory initiatives.

                  A locum is a locum. Out of hours you will more than likely not get your local GP – its the same all over. In France it will be someone from another practice, quite possibly someone young and inexperienced who needs the money.
                  I walked into one of our local community hospitals the other day. Parked outside was a new white Land Rover Discovery marked out as an ‘Out of Hours Doctor’ with a shedload of paramedical equipment inside. It looked good and competent to me. I’d be grateful for any treatment its doctor could provide if I needed it.

        • saffrin

          Your party decimated medical staff within the NHS, the nurses you trained were and still are incompetent, indifferent and the reason we have inadequate numbers of Doctors was so your lot could use the need to further your aims for mass immigration.
          All that money you spent on the NHS was wasted on administrative non jobs in order to mask the unemployment figures open door mass immigration created.

          • Tom

            Didn’t Labour introduce a new computer system that was nothing but trouble and cost millions?.

          • Alexsandr

            they disnt spend money on the NHS. They spent other peoples money with a promise to pay back over 25 years. PFI allowed them to put all their investment off balance sheet.

            • HookesLaw

              The wide scale implimentation of PFI made the NHS less flexible. There is nothing inherently wrong with PFI – it covers more than building costs – it covers the servicing and mainenance of the buildings as well, this is current expenditure not capital.

              What it does is nail you to providing proper maintenance and services (possibly a good thing) and thus makes it difficult to move money around within budgets.

        • Rowdie111

          You obviously never heard of what happened between 2005 -2009 at Mid Staffordshire Hospital where upto 1300 people died needlessly, where they couldn’t even get a drink of water or help to a toilet. When this Government came in they looked at a further 14 Trusts which had come to light and found similar situations.
          Andy Burnham says he only came to be in charge in 2009…so it wasn’t any thing to do with him.

          Your on dodgy ground going on about the NHS. That was the state of the NHS before we had the recession and bank crash. God knows what it would have been like under Labour if they had been still running it form 2010. If it was like that when money was not short……..the mind boggles.

    • Colonel Mustard

      You are buoyant because you are all balloons filled with nothing but hot air and filling the country with nothing but hot air (and immigrants).

      BALLOONS.

      • Alexsandr

        spelling. buFFoons I think you meant!

    • HenryWood

      Oi! KuntHooks! I’m a pensioner! And I did not get rich kwik mainly because of your walleyed Broon thief stealing quite a bit of my dosh! I started working in 1960 and started saving shortly after that because I did not want to exist on a pittance like my parents and grandparents had done. I was doing quite alright until *your* chum walleyed Gordon came along and pinched quite a load of my money!
      I wish I could now ploat the “Office of Gordon & Sarah Brown” the exact same way that thieving wretch stole from me.
      But I suppose “Gordon & Sarah’s” ill-gotten gains are well protected behind some magnificent fireproof firewalls, protected against all taxations wot the little man must pay.
      You come in here trolling and squealing on behalf of slimy, thieving Socialist scum! Keep doing it! So long as scum like you show up the true worth of Socialism perhaps fewer mugs might vote for them.

      • Makroon

        John Mann says “of course it’s a warning shot”.
        Mann, like so many of his party either thinks they are still in office, or thinks they are on a short sabbatical.

    • chudsmania

      Mods kicked you off CiF have they ? You really have no idea of the real world.

  • George_Arseborne

    Labour will be 5 points ahead of the Tories by same time next week. No need for the nasty guys to go Bingo and have a pint of beer

    • RavenRandom

      Perhaps, but it’s well known that polls always understate the vote of the party in power… a kind of quiet protest. I’d be worried to be neck and neck more than a year from an election.

      • Tom

        Labour saying no need for a referendum hasn’t done them any favours.

        • Alexsandr

          nor millipedes car crash budget response.

          • Hello

            Miliband responded to the budget?

            • telemachus

              Magnificently
              Just failed to please the right wing press

              • Hello

                So the left wing press went gung-ho with his magnificent response? Was it classic Miliband? Giving his party faithful reason to believe in his leadership?

                • telemachus

                  Even if you were right most of us would take comfort in the charismatic one waiting in the wings

                • Colonel Mustard

                  You are getting a well deserved spanking here tonight telemachus. Made my day!

              • Tom

                I think he failed to impress anyone.

            • Rowdie111

              Er…how?

        • HookesLaw

          I think this is right and is a dead giveaway to what we can expect from Europhile labour.

    • Hello

      It’s been obvious for some time that it’s quite easy to shave points off Labour, it hasn’t been so clear that the Tories could gain some. That’s why today’s polls are interesting: I’m not sure when the Tories last hit 36%, even in outliers.

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