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Five things you need to know about the ‘suppressed’ immigration report

6 March 2014

9:48 PM

6 March 2014

9:48 PM

With a mere whimper, the government has released its controversial report (pdf) on the effects of immigration on ‘native UK employment’. Following Newsnight’s revelations that the report was being ‘held back’, Labour demanded its release. 24 hours later, it was put online while Theresa May was informing MPs of an inquiry into undercover policing after revelations about the treatment of Stephen Lawrence’s family. Here are the top five things you need to know from the paper:

1. There’s minimal evidence of migrants taking British jobs

The Home Office report titled ‘Impacts of migration on UK native employment‘ reveals there is ‘relatively little evidence’ of British workers being displaced — i.e. migrants taking the jobs of ‘natives’ — during good economic times. But the opposite may be true during recessions. As the report says:

‘The labour market adjusts to increased net migration when economic conditions are good. But during a recession, and when net migration volumes are high as in recent years, it appears that the labour market adjusts at a slower rate and some short-term impacts are observed.

2. Low-skilled Brits are affected more by migration

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The authors believe any displacement that does exist is more likely to affect ‘low-skilled’ workers than the ‘high-skilled’ ones — tallying with James Brokenshire’s remarks in his Demos speech this morning:

‘The literature consistently suggests that any displacement effect is likely to be greatest for the low skilled – studies that distinguish between impacts on high-skilled and low-skilled workers more frequently find displacement effects on low-skilled workers, sometimes when there is no apparent displacement effect in aggregate.’

3. Even so, displacement will decrease over time

The report stresses that much of the research was undertaken during a period of high migration, which also happened to be a time of great economic growth. But they’re pretty sure that the market will always adjust for new arrivals:

‘The evidence also suggests that where there has been a displacement effect from a particular cohort of migrants, this dissipates over time – that is, any displacement impacts from one set of new arrivals gradually decline as the labour market adjusts, as predicted by economic theory. ‘

4. The ‘EU effect’ might not exist

The report says there is ‘little evidence’ of a ‘statistically significant impact from EU migration on native employment outcomes’. It does however note that such migration is still a ‘relatively recent phenomenon’. The report points out that net migration was negative from the late 60s to the early 80s, before turning around in the early 90s. When our immigration policy became less restrictive in the late 90s, there was a significant change, which increased further in 2004. Recently migration has fallen back, as a result of changes to our migration policy.

5. Digest with caution: the report has a narrow remit

Some of the concerns expressed over migration are related to social or cultural issues — none of which are covered by this report. The authors note their work ‘focuses narrowly on one of the potential economic effects’, which is on existing UK residents.

Therefore, one should take the findings in this context and not seen as a judgement on the immigration issue as a whole. Still, that doesn’t mean the Lib Dems and Tories can’t argue about what it says.

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  • scampy1

    And the benefits of black and muslim ghettoes with a majority on welfare?
    Along with their barbaric practices?

  • psychoid

    hello, the slaves are encouraged to cross breed for strength, them toffs will continue to breed amongst themselves. them toffs will split when it becomes too too horrible. they will just up-sticks and move somewhere more lovely darling. this is just a place to make money not somewhere for the long haul,
    not enough leg room.
    buy your freedom now
    whilst you can still afford it
    currently, the cheapest form of freedom is £265,000, but that is freedom for one and really really basic.

  • Littlegrayman

    Cameron is the new Blunkett http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4051827.stm

  • Littlegrayman
  • Smithersjones2013

    In other words this report , like an increasing number of Government reports is not worth the cost of the paper it is written on. It’s just another whitewash from the dysfunctional and utterly worthless Home Office.

    After all they are not going to own up to the reality that their Immigration policy of the last two decades has been an abysmal failure that has done significant damage to the structure of our society.

    The sooner the Home Office is broken up the better.

  • Eyesee

    Narrow remit was the important bit. Government reports are usually aimed at the wrong things and endlessly draw the wrong conclusions. Added to the damage EU regs are doing (not allowed to increase reservoir capacity despite population growth) it has seriously upset the balance and nature of British society, But then that was the point wasn’t it?

  • global city

    No.3 is fundamentally flawed, when you think about it, as there are no plans to end the inflow. The pressure will be renewed every day of the week.

    The politicians cannot justify low skilled/no skilled mass migration, but the debate is continually forced into debating being pro or anti immigrant.

  • Raddiy

    Well bu**er me, government commissions political establishment to write report on immigration, and lo and behold it arrives at a conclusion that there is not really a problem to worry about.

    Quelle surprise, do bears sh*t in the woods.

    The one thing the establishment needs to know about immigration, is that the vast majority of the population would never trust a word they utter on the issue. . The government probably tried to pull it, because it is so contrived and selective, that it even embarrassed them into not wanting to be associated with this pile of whitewashed BS.

    • Makroon

      Actually, the famous report seems to have arrived at no firm conclusions at all. Everything is qualified – as though the writers were not very interested really.

      • Raddiy

        The whole process is just part of the Cameron sham referendum, renegotiation, sending it into the long grass, massage and manipulate, confuse the plebs scheme.

        He suffers from an arrogance that assumes that everybody except him is naive and stupid, when in reality he has naivety and stupidity all to himself. Cameron is akin to a restaurant owner reviewing his own food as 3* Star Michelin quality, and thinking the diners won’t notice the maggots crawling about in his concoction.

      • Daniel Maris

        They have one eye on their careers and one eye on the divisions between May and Cable.

  • Bonkim

    Immigration is not just about economics and jobs – the main issue is social organisation, cohesion, and common values.

    Multi-culturalism has failed – you can’t have a hotch potch of cultures, religions, and national identities to live in voluntary apartheid – new immigrants particularly from the EU appear not to want to adapt and change. Youngsters in school should be asked to speak only in English, and new Immigrants should learn English and attend classes in British history, culture and values before being allowed permanent settlement.

  • drydamol1

    BROKEN BRITISH POLITICS –EU GIVEN PRIORITY OVER OUR JOBS

    Benefit Sanctions are part of the DWP’s Claimant Control
    strategy whereby Claimants are Sanctioned for failing to do a number of things
    that do not meet the Jobcentre criteria for receiving Benefits .

    The Tory mantra “get a job you scrounger” is so facial it
    is unbelievable .The Tories not value for money except for themselves
    philosophy is costing us Taxpayers millions of pounds wasted on Bogus
    Agencies .There is widespread
    repartition of job vacancies on the Governments Flagship Universal Job
    match obviously the website is flying at
    half mast as deceitful liar ID Smith is in charge .

    An outside investigation found that 30% of the jobs
    advertised on Universal Jobmatch were fake. The input from Monster Employment
    agency falls spectacularly short of what we the Taxpayer are spending our money
    on ,they advertise and send out emails notifying claimants of vacancies using
    the repeated statement “Production Operatives” which leads you to the same
    vacancy every time .

    The unrecoverable money wasted on the first IT programme
    cost us £146 million – what is it going to cost this time .

    Within the last year 1500,000 jobs have only been
    Advertised within the EU and not here .Shambles Government shambles systems .A
    Benefit Claimant is therefore using an Official Website that is as
    unreal as Liar Smith .Claimants are
    blatantly Sanctioned for not applying for bogus jobs ,repeated same vacancies
    and jobs that are in existence but not on the site .The EU sponsors the
    Jobcentre Logo from the Social Fund at the same time as denying jobs in Britain
    for the British .

    ‘IDS faces a probe’ say many newspapers – what in his
    head .

    http://brokenbritishpolitics.simplesite.com

  • Frank

    It is clear that none of the authors of this Report ever buy coffee in London!
    In 12 years of going to various Boulangerie Paul, I have never encountered a single British born member of staff working the front of house. They are usually very charming and efficient, but not British!
    I do not know how the Report defines “displaced”, but on the premise that it means the usual definition, that is a considerable number of Brits who got “displaced” out of these jobs at Paul.
    Secondly, did the Report look into employment at the City’s investment banks, eg Goldman, Morgan Stanley, etc? Perhaps somewhere around half are British born.

    • Ron Todd

      I have a job so would not count as displaced. But I am convinced that I am earning less that I would if we did not have uncontrolled immigration.

      • Daniel Maris

        Indeed – looking at displacement in isolation to all other effects makes no sense at all.

  • saffrin

    As expected, 100% buls**.

    For every immigrant working in the UK, at least one UK worker-unit remains unemployed.
    250,000 migrants entering the country = 250,000 UK citizens have lost another opportunity for a job.
    It really is that simple no matter how our treasonous governments try to spin it.

    • William Haworth

      The real challenge is to manage the benefits system so that it’s preferable for people to take a job, as opposed to a benefits ‘pension for life’.

  • ADW
  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Game Over, Britisher, pals.
    Jack, the resident abroad Brit

    • Noa

      You’re smirking rather than smiling Jack.
      (And this website, a public place under cyberspace equality and health regulations, will in due course become a no smirking zone.)

    • Cyril Sneer

      You didn’t actually read the report then.

  • Daniel Maris

    Well, Sebastian, you seem to have drunk deep of the draught of multicultural conformity putting a polish on what is a steaming pile of dung.

    1. “There’s minimal evidence of migrants taking British jobs”

    Minimal? You should say STRONG. Because the report itself admits that the effects are strong in a recession.

    But – please – what do they mean by “adjustment”

    2. Low-skilled Brits are affected more by migration

    So the report doesn’t think there is displacement but if there is it affects low-skilled Brits more! This gives you a flavour of just how garbled the report is.

    3. Even so, displacement will decrease over time

    What is the evidence for claiming that high migration is a temporary phenomenon.

    We’ve had very high migration now since the mid 90s – that’s nearly 25 years.

    4. The ‘EU effect’ might not exist

    Another might in a plethora of mights and maybes, likelies and possibles.

    I personally know of companies that go to Polish agencies exclusively. This work is reasonably paid but not highly skilled. Perfect for our UK citizens – but they don’t get a look in. The jobs are not advertised openly.

    5. Digest with caution: the report has a narrow remit

    For a report with a narrow remit they reach some very large and tendentious conclusions.

    The report has two shameful omissions:

    a. It has no reference at all to the practice of exclusive recruitment via agencies drawing on only Poles and other East Europeans. How can they assess displacement without examining that phenomenon?

    b. It makes no reference to the huge population growth that accompanies mass immigration. This also causes displacement in future decades as more people compete for a proportionately smaller number of jobs.

    • HookesLaw

      Good to see the age old Coffehouse principle of twisting the truth to suit a prejudice is alive and well.

      • Daniel Maris

        Answer the points I make. The report has no reference to the exclusive employment agencies that (illegally in my view) recruit only from Poles and other East European nations.

        • Wessex Man

          of course they don’t, twenty years ago people like Hooky wolud have sighed and said stupid people before travelling off to their Civil Service non jobs, content in the knowledge that in a few short years they could put their feet up with their index linked pensions. Now the ‘stupid people’ are aware just how much our country has been screwed and won’t listen to the twisting of truth in extremis!

        • Alexsandr

          surely that is racist. why are the equalities lot not investigating that? Oh, its racism against white brits so doesn’t count, does it?

          • Daniel Maris

            Well it’s not just white Brits who are being discriminated against – Black and Asian Brits as well.

  • Lady Magdalene

    As Nigel Farage said, some things are more important than a tiny increase in GDP.
    Social cohesion and national identity are two of them. Mass, uncontrolled immigration is destroying both.

    • Daniel Maris

      I would agree that there are things more important than GDP, but that doesn’t mean we should not do battle on the economic issue. The propagandists for mass immigration always fiddle their stats.

      I notice this report relies unduly on National Insurance numbers, thus completely missing out on the huge numbers of illegal workers, employed by gangs on subsistence wages.

      • HookesLaw

        Huge? Gangs? Doing what?

        • Daniel Maris

          I don’t know where you live. I live in London. You will see many Chinese/Vietnamese gangs working on construction (often without hard hats by the way). You wouldn’t have seen them 10 years ago. They are a new phenomenon. We had a report recently on how these gangs operate through intimidation.

          Independent estimates put the number of illegal people living in the UK between 450,000 and 900,000. I think that’s huge.

          • Noa

            Even that seems low, and excludes the additional estimated 120,000 dependent children born to illegals.

            • Daniel Maris

              Yes, you’re probably right – it’s on the low side.

        • Alexsandr

          agriculture. pack houses. care homes, cockle picking

        • Cyril Sneer

          My chinese ex of 2 years spent her time here as a student and worked on the side in Chinese restaurants tax free, cash in hand – she’d be working multiple jobs and being the paid the same way, tax free, nothing back to the government. This issue is widespread and we are losing vast sums of tax money through illegal workers.

      • Ron Todd

        All politicians fiddle the stats.

    • HookesLaw

      …tube travel

  • LadyDingDong

    6. The long march of open borders imposed against the will, and without the consent of its citizens, has destroyed London as a pleasant city in which to live and is well on the way to destroying the uniquely British identity and way of life. Who cares about a few jobs when our entire future is being altered in this undemocratic and obscene destruction of our society?

    • Noa

      We are witnessing a classic spin tactic of politicians and governments in the face of an insoluble problem, which is to focus on one of its minor symptoms, in this case EU workers, in order to distract from the catastrophic consequences of the UK Population Change policy which they have initiated.

      • telemachus

        Which spin tactic?
        *
        I think you mean Ukippers who are busy trying to play down the significance of this report which together with the recent UCL study showing a substantial economic benefit from immigration is confirmatory that immigration is substantially to all our benefit
        *
        I know you need to ramp up the rhetoric prior to the May elections but get real

        • Wessex Man

          You ramp what you like with your loony pals, a large percentage of the rest of the poplulation will be voting UKip.

          • telemachus

            Fine son for this May
            But next May your role is to split the vote in the 43 Tory marginals and create a famous victory for the caring forces of reason

            • Alexsandr

              how are tinkie winkie, lala and po today in lala land?

            • gerontius

              “create a famous victory for the caring forces of reason”

              Telemachus,you have become a parody of yourself.
              Even I feel pity for you.

            • Colonel Mustard

              ” . . . the caring forces of reason”

              Laughable. An odious and evil gang of which you are a fine example. The malevolence shines from each of their faces, plain to see.

        • Noa

          Cumrayde Telemachus

          Repeet hf tar me and rite hut 500 tyms –

          “It is not racist to discuss immigration”

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFp3S_5ZkOI&feature=youtu.be

          seyz Cumrydie Lurd Reid – Laber meenester and Comunyeast pirti membeer – peiss bee uphon hym

          • Colonel Mustard

            And Hitchens had them bang to rights in 2003:-

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQdD4hO6caU

            • Noa

              Yes, thanks for that link. PH quotes Blair, I think, from his book “The Abolition of Liberty”.
              In “The Cameron Delusion” he points out that Cameron has entirely accepted that the Conservative party’s role in government, having relinquished the reality of power, is simply to act as the custodian of Labour’s all controlling agenda, furthering it where suitable in exchange for the trappings of office.
              Reviewing the Coalition’s abject performance and paucity of intellectual challenge his view is correct.

              • telemachus

                I guess he means that Government is pragmatism
                *
                Aside of racist sabre rattling Ukip would be no different
                *
                But we will never know

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Don’t for a minute think your horrible regime won’t be detested and resisted. It will be.

                  And the more the regime pushes the greater and more terrible that resistance will be. As every tyranny in history has discovered.

          • telemachus

            UKIP sits at the far right of UK politics
            Michael Hestletine last October said on the BBC “Of course its racist”
            Is this correct?
            Start with Dan Hodges in the DT
            “I’ve been looking at the reports emerging from Ukip’s national spring conference. And it’s clear I was wrong. Ukip is now a racist and extremist party…At the end of the conference the delegates assembled for their gala dinner, where they were entertained by a comedian called Paul Eastwood. Referring to the Olympics, Eastwood said: “Poland did well. They took home bronze, silver, gold, lead, copper – anything they could get their hands on.”
            “Team Somalia – they did well, didn’t they? They had to apologise. Didn’t realise sailing and shooting were two different events.”
            Any mainstream party leader would immediately disown such comments. Given the opportunity to do so Nigel Farage, pointedly, chose to defend them. “I’m not going to comment on individual jokes, but I think we’re in huge danger here. This was a guy telling jokes about national stereotypes, not racial stereotypes.”
            Christopher Monckton, UKIP’s Scotland Leader and Head of Policy Unit invited the now-defunct British Freedom Party – an amalgamation of mostly breakaway BNP members led by a former Ukip candidate until January 2013 – to join Ukip: “I would very much like them to come back and join us and we stand together.”
            Farage refused to vote to oppose moves for the European Union to fund the BNP.
            Indeed their views on immigration may be further right still
            Pamela Preedy, secretary of UKIP’s Redcar branch, wrote: ‘The image of Stephen Lawrence has been promoted to sainthood, with his own memorial site, constant invocation of his name in any discussion of racism; even to close down a discussion about immigration when the issue bore no relevance to his murder’.
            Ms Preedy then accused David Cameron of ‘worshipping at the shrine of Saint Stephen’, complaining that ‘we are supposed to publicly mark the anniversaries of his death .  .  . Please give it a rest!’
            Ms Preedy added in the message, left last year: ‘I’m sure his mother still grieves for him, but it’s time she did it privately without setting him up as some kind of media icon. She risks .  .  . boring us all to tears.’
            A UKIP prospective MP candidate writes: “A removal of multi-culturalism and assimilation of these people needs to be done to save them from the abyss of exclusion and welfare. Above all, one should not shy away of contemplating forced repatriation, or threatening it to further assimilation, as a result of their lack of economic contribution to the UK.”
            “Our traditional values have been undermined. Children are taught to be ashamed of our past. Multiculturalism has split our society.”
            Another UKIP member complained about the impact of immigration on the NHS, writing: “I am informed by past media that Black Caribbean and not Black African have a higher instance of schizophrenia.“I wonder if this is due to inbreeding on these small islands in slave times or is it due to ¬smoking grass.”
            Farage again“On the question of Islamification, we have to do a bit more to teach our children of the values of our Judeo-Christian society.” A recent manifesto commitment to “tackle extremist Islam by banning the burqa or veiled niqab in public buildings and certain private buildings” was further explained by Farage: “I can’t go into a bank with a motorcycle helmet on. I can’t wear a balaclava going round the District and Circle line.”
            Ukip peer Lord Pearson stated: “The Muslims are breeding ten times faster than us,” … “I don’t know at what point they reach such a number we are no longer able to resist the rest of their demands”
            Now I challenge you to name any political party bidding for high office that would tolerate any of this
            Would any reasonable person vote for these folk

        • Smithersjones2013

          You mean that UCL report written by EU immigrants that states immigrants are good for the economy. Go figure. I think the words CONFLICT OF INTEREST apply

    • monty61

      Sadly you don’t have to be a xenophobe to observe this, though if you you share those observations publicly then you are labelled a xenophobe.

      • sfin

        I’m a xenophobe – and couldn’t be prouder!

      • LadyDingDong

        I have spent a lifetime in many different countries and currently live in three: UK, Netherlands and Singapore. Last weekend I walked down Whitechapel and found myself a stranger in a strange land. Even Singapore is more British than parts of London now.

        • HookesLaw

          What do they think about that in Singapore?

          • LadyDingDong

            Well if you are an illegal immigrant there you are very quickly returned to your country of origin without legal aid to pay for numerous appeals and without government support. My non-Singaporean employees there have to go through a very rigorous visa process before I can employ them and they pay taxes without any recourse to tax credits or subsidised housing. There is a very rigorous debate in Singapore about allowing more foreigners in but the government is managing the process with the consent of the people. Singapore is a modern, vibrant, clean city state between two very large Muslim nations and when I was there two weeks ago I saw no burkhas whereas in Whitechapel market last weekend I must have seen two or three hundred. I would add that Singapore is one of the most prosperous nations on earth and by comparison we are a third world country.

            • funkinwolf

              Typical. Using what figures from what source? because the inequality-adjusted human development index is a much more accurate figure for comparing two countries. What use is a high GDP if all the wealth is kept by 1% of the population or they don’t invest in healthcare. Tells you nothing.

              Out of 132 countries the UK is he 16th most developed. Hardly the stuff of third world now is it.

            • scampy1

              Right on girl we welcome your diversity and pay you welfare even if you are the most disturbed basta## on the planet.
              Singapore welcomes your diversity if you get a work permit but there are no free houses and salary for life as in loonie

          • Bonkim

            Singapore is history and evolved following serious ethnic clashes. Singapore is what it is because of draconian laws that border on the dictatorial and the first PM Lee Kwan Liu who brought the three main communities together is a shared partnership and maintained the necessary balance. It is a city state, wealthy and able to control all aspects of life minutely. Freedoms are restricted i the way you imagine that in Britain.

            • scampy1

              Certainly for the better?
              You like to wander round Singapore at night or Londonistan?

              • Bonkim

                Each one to its own – I hate London – don’t like too many people – not sure I would want to wander about Singapore at night either.

        • dalai guevara

          Quelle surprise – so are parts of Malta, Benidorm, parts of Cyprus, Osnabruck, and Eivissa Town in summer and so on. So what is your point, other than the one you’re making which is that social mobility has now been internationalised.

        • funkinwolf

          That has to be one of the most ludicrous comments I have read on a comment section for a while. 74.2% of Singapore people are Chinese and 13.2% are Malayan. How on earth can you feel like a foreigner in a strange land, when the majority of people in Tower Hamlets (location of Whitechapel) are British born people and 45.2% are White.

          • Bonkim

            and the rest Indian

          • gerontius

            She is referring to culture not race.
            You wouldn’t understand

            • LadyDingDong

              Trolls are by their very nature unintelligent and incapable of responding to any comment with any form of perception. The culture in Singapore (where I grew up in the 60s) is essentially British and retains the values and mores we abandoned under the ghastly Labtard administrations.

            • funkinwolf

              No clearly you don’t understand, I wasn’t talking about race or culture, but ethnicity. You wouldn’t understand.

              • gerontius

                Your right there – I don’t

          • mohdanga

            And 25 years ago the white population was probably 85% or more…..in another 10 years it will be down to 35%. When over half the population are non-white in what was a homogeneous population of whites for a millenium it’s not difficult to feel like a stranger in your own country. If half the population of Lahore was white you would think something was askew, no?

            • funkinwolf

              What does skin tone have to do with anything? I’m Black British and dislike what you are inferring. You know you can have people of non-white skin who have grandparents that was born in the UK, like mine. Have I passed your test? ridiculous. But for the record, London has always been multicultural and diverse. It’s a strength and long may that continue.

              • mohdanga

                “But for the record, London has always been multicultural and diverse. It’s a strength and long may that continue.”
                Wrong. Multiculturalism and mass immigration were foisted on the British public after WWII, the population at that time was almost 100% white. The Windrush arrived in 1948 and this was the first large arrival of West Indian migrants.
                There are white Jamaicans and West Indians but they are a tiny minority…I wonder what the reaction of blacks would be if the population of Kingston went from .05% non-black in 1960 to 50% in 2014? Or would you be gushing about how great ‘diversity’ and ‘multiculturalism’ is?

          • scampy1

            She is obviously referring to the decency in Singapore that we in Britain have lost through the infestation of uneducated uncivilized third world immigrants.

        • Makroon

          Returning to the UK in 2002, after many years overseas, I experienced the same feeling of alienation, not because of a big increase in immigrants, but more due to the change in mores of the native population, the massive advance of political correctness (even in the most unlikely places), the appalling new lows plumbed by “journalism”, and laughable standards of education and behaviour.

          • Ron Todd

            If you joined me in the factory canteen you would witness a notable lack of political correctness. Except when one of the bosses was in or when one of the immigrant staff was in.

            Your opinions about the standards of education would not be changed.

    • Chris Bond

      Speech at Demos. Isn’t that the think tank behind New Labour? You know, the think tank set up by former Marxist Today editors?

      The Conservatives are a blight on this country. Bunch of Marxist scum.

      • Kitty MLB

        Just allow the hatred and bile to pour out
        Conservatives need to be reminded of that.
        The party of Thatcher is a honourable and legitimate party
        that rescued this country from the evils of socialism and
        indeed made it a world power.
        I know it helps your little band of followers to place Conservatives
        and cameroons in the same basket ( because you need Cameron)
        Yet that type of talk will just remind Conservatives where their loyalty
        really lies.

        • Chris Bond

          there are two types of Conservative.
          1) Classical Conservatives – advocate a small state. Believe society should be outside of political purview, and want liberty for the individual. Support of capitalism. The party of Thatcher.
          2) Modern Conservatives – believe in a big state which should be allowed interfere in peoples lives to socially engineer the populace to “progressive” ends.See also neo-conservatives which is a movement created by Trotskyite Marxists. These “Conservatives” are also coporatist, and not capitalist, and would be quite happy to devastate small businesses to accommodate multi nationals on the basis they can provide a loaf of bread 5p cheaper then your locally owned store. The party of Cameron.

          Which are you? because the Modern Conservatives have the name, but thats it. Even that moron (Shnapps?) or whatever, was talking about renaming the party to the ‘young liberals’ or some stupid name.

          The Conservative party has left you. The resistance is rallying around UKIP.

          • Ron Todd

            Anybody that gets into power is suddenly going to see the advantages of having a bigger state and more stuff controlled by people like him.

    • DavidL

      Says you. I’ve lived in London for nearly 35 years, and it’s never been better – more prosperous, smarter, lower crime etc. But don’t take my word for it; ask yourself why a million more people live here than did ten years ago.

      • Cyril Sneer

        “ask yourself why a million more people live here than did ten years ago.”

        3rd worlders looking to live in a shoebox of a house? It’s an upgrade.
        East Europeans looking to earn triple what they make at home for doing the same sh t job whilst we have 2.5m unemployed.
        Rich foreigners buying up all the property and forcing Brits out.

        I can recall seeing an fascinating video of 1950/60’s London – a camera attached to the front of a car and being driven through London – what strikes you most is the number of white/British people and how clean the streets are, and how much London has now changed for the worse.

        I think you’re delusional to be quite honest.

      • Makroon

        I also don’t buy into the “London as cesspit” myth, but as a 35 year resident, you have been subjected to “frog-boiling”, and probably are not well positioned to judge what has been lost.

        • Ron Todd

          Even a cesspit would be better that where some of the extra million come from.

      • Count Dooku

        I live here now and it’s an amazing city (except for the astronomical house prices).

        I don’t get the constant moaning about it by people who don’t live here. London has always been a land apart from the rest of the UK, and it is the most entrepreneurial city in Europe by quite a long way. The energy in the city is tangible and I can’t imagine being anywhere else.

        I live and work in a lovely part of central London though so I do admit my experience might not be typical.

        • Kitty MLB

          The politicians who inhabit London
          also see it as a land apart from the rest
          of the United Kingdom, they live within
          their elitist bubble . With the M25 as their
          Hadrians Wall.
          The tourist parts of London are beautiful,
          Yet their are some ghetto type areas elsewhere,
          full of people who make a lady feel she
          should be stoned for not wearing a burka,
          in her own country.

          • Count Dooku

            There are ghettos everywhere unfortunately, not just London.

            I know the cultural issues are real though. Blame the left for their multi-cultural bullsh*t. They, more than the immigrants, allowed this state of affairs.

            Can you imagine American Muslims behaving like that?

            • crosscop

              They will when there’s enough of them. Muslims in London in the 60s and 70s did not behave “like that” because they were a tiny minority. Today they are able to flex their muscles because in some areas they are the dominant group.

            • Kitty MLB

              Indeed it is the fault of politicians and not the
              immigrant.
              Who can resist the offer of a land of milk
              and honey, especially those who hail from some
              godforsaken hovel.
              Although though they should really learn to behave once here, its not a good start to threaten to blow people up, and unlike their
              brothers and sisters in the land of the free
              these people have the Muslims human rights
              to hide behind, and they know this gives them
              the upper hand. Ours are tied because of the EU.

        • scampy1

          Are you a darkie?

      • Donafugata

        You need to see Whitechapel in the Islamic Republic of Tower Hamlets, it’s almost as smart as downtown Mogadishu, so delightfully vibrant and prosperous.

      • Daniel Maris

        I live in London. Obviously I wouldn’t live here if it was a complete hellhole. Some things have improved. But I would say in the last ten years overall we have definitely gone into reverse.

        Londoners are certainly not wealthier than they were ten years ago. A huge part of their income goes on housing which is increasingly scarce. At the lower end of the socio-economic range poor people do find decent housing is being nabbed by immigrants who often have large families and thus score higher on priority points. Schools and hospitals are also under intense pressure.

        In areas like Southall we have the appalling phenomenon of people sleeping and subsisting in “sheds with beds” in people’s gardens.

        Large parts of the East End do look very foreign now and we can see and hear that there are many communities who aren’t here to integrate but to establish their own little inward-looking islands.

        London may be great for a 22 year old Hackney Hipster, a Russian high roller, a South African banker, a Somali with 5 children…but it’s not that great for millions who are becoming poorer and more isolated.

    • foxoles

      “If this is Enlgand, where are the English?”

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW_q4nJmmT8

  • HookesLaw

    I’m not quite sure why the govt should ‘surpress’ a report which would tend towards pulling the rug from under UKIP.

    • Rockin Ron

      As Viceroy seems unavailable, I’ll fill in for him:

      ‘What would a Cammerluvvie socialist nutter know about pulling rugs from anyone, laddie?’

    • southerner

      Because useless May kept saying immigration did affect British workers in an attempt to appeal to UKIP voters and pretend she was actually doing something about it.

      • HookesLaw

        The pretence is coming from you.

        The govt have quite rightly sought to reduce bogus immigration – bogus students for instance and also so called benefits tourism. It seeks to try to get more UK people languishing on benefits out of the house and into work. It seeks to make benefits less of a lifestyle choice. Its behaving responsibly.

        But anything which pours cold water on the UKIP fearmongering is surely an asset. We can see the kipperesque tendency already trying to belittle the report – which if it were as useless as they say would be a good reason to suppress it – but then they could blame the govt for ‘suppressing’ it could they?

        And then again if the govt are not going to meet its self imposed target then this report would be quite useful – so why suppress it?

        • the viceroy’s gin

          Good luck trying to figure out why you Camerluvvies do what you do, lad. You’ve long proven yourselves incompetent, both politically and policy-wise. That’s why your mate Dave’s head is headed for that spike, in 14 months time (or less).

        • Daniel Maris

          Have you actually looked at the report? It doesn’t say what you claim. It shows there has been displacement.

          • southerner

            Hooky never reads tiresome things like reports. He just regurgitates the latest Camerluvvie press release.

        • southerner

          Good effort that – repeating Camerluvvie socialist spin whilst entirely ignoring what I (and indeed what the report) said.

        • global city

          Non so blind as the party loyalist.

    • Daniel Maris

      It doesn’t. It confirms that there is displacement from jobs resulting from mass immigration.

      • AnotherDave

        In an interview on the Daily Politics, former Home Secretary John Reid said an objective of Labour’s open door immigration policy was to lower wages.

        http://youtu.be/EFp3S_5ZkOI

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