Coffee House

Despite low-key launch, Tory ‘managed migration’ campaign should worry No. 10

25 March 2014

25 March 2014

Mark Field’s new Conservatives for Managed Migration group hasn’t attracted overwhelming public support from MPs. When it launched this morning, it only had two Tory MPs openly signed up, with Field telling BBC News that ‘I think we have got quite a few supporters’ but refusing to give an exact number.

This might be causing No. 10 some satisfaction, although Downing Street sources are insisting that they are ‘relaxed’ about the group. It does, after all, argue that there is a ‘fundamental problem’ with the Conservatives’ net migration target. And there is considerable irritation among the Prime Minister’s advisers that MPs feel the need to set up new groups whenever they want to discuss a policy as these groups are inevitably read as a sign of a new Tory split on an issue.

Subscribe from £1 per week


However, I have spoken to a number of Conservative MPs today who do support Field’s group, but are biding their time before openly signing up for a number of reasons. Those who feel Field has a point are by no means from the lefty wing of the Tory party. One right-wing backbencher says it is ‘crazy to ban talented non-EU immigrants and have no control over unskilled EU migrants’. But the lack of public enthusiasm is partly down to a belief amongst MPs that Field is part of the anti-Cameron camp and this is a trouble-making group. Some feel that associating with it could harm their chances of promotion in any forthcoming reshuffle. Others know that it’s easier for Field to make this point when he is sitting on a 11,076 majority than it is for someone in a marginal seat where Ukip could cause problems.

But the point is that Field is encouraging debate on an issue that many have sympathy with in the Conservative party. And that means that whether or not Conservatives for Managed Migration have a big group of MPs backing them at launch, No. 10 probably shouldn’t feel too ‘relaxed’.


More Spectator for less. Subscribe and receive 12 issues delivered for just £12, with full web and app access. Join us.

Show comments
  • CHRISTOPHER WHITE

    FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT is numerical equivalent of US not having controls on Latin American immigration – no other countries in world allow people to come in from other nations with population of 500 MILLION

  • jorjun

    Watch out for ‘talent’ as euphemism for ‘cheap’ by our loyal politicians who definitely do not act as power brokers for the multinationals.

    Believe it or don’t. In high tech arena in Britain corporates were dumb enough to believe that English language competency was not an essential requirement on the drone job spec. It appears that software development was seen as something akin to a multiple choice math’s paper in algorithmics. Communication, ethics, common sense, future asset value – all either not required or optional.

    So much damage has already been done by corporate procurement smelling cheap foreign labour, then going into shark-like frenzies after lobby. And now those of us who were put out, are back in demand and expected to clean the corporate toilets – for 1997 day rates. Not surprisingly as a result of Labour’s “foreign talent”, cheap human applicance import, an unprecedented number of us would now rather boil our own heads than join a multi-national. So they’ll be needing “foreign talent” now, more than ever.

  • Ex_Pom

    Well, let’s discuss this odious circumlocution “Net Migration”.

    How many genuine Poms are being driven from the land of their birth and of their ancestors and being replaced by untold millions of totally non-British people ?

    This statistic is deliberately and treacherously concealed behind the euphemism, “Net Migration”.

    The “Border Control” – ( that’s a total laugh ! ) couldn’t come down harder on Aussies and Kiwis for example ( most of whom suffer from having Anglo-Saxon-Celt blood disease apparently ) and haul them over coals at the “Border” whilst gaily waving though and grovelling to the most appalling non-“Anglo-Saxon-Celts” with criminal records as long as your arm in many cases. And then let them remain because of “Yuman Rights to a Family” regardless of how many or how disgusting their criminal acts are.

    I have personal experience of this as I was grilled by Border Control when visiting “Great” Britain for my Father’s 80th birthday using my Kiwi passport. ( My EU-permitted ( for now ! ) UK passport having long-expired – and who in their right mind would want to be seen dead with a UK passport these days when you see just who they are routinely being dished out to !

  • Common Sense ✟ كافر

    This waste of space MP has clearly thrown every letter I have written to him in the bin. I have informed him that 100% of the scarce social housing in his/my constiuency has gone to immigrants from the third world who don’t work, integrate, and have endless children on benefits. I’ve also seen him drunk on victoria street a stones throw from parliament with a creepy smile on his face – FACT!!

  • William MacDougall

    Conservatives for Managed Migration sounds like a good and sensible group.

  • CHRISTOPHER WHITE

    DC had nothing relevant to say about 30% increase in net to 212k when target is 99k because only relevant point is that we can’t control immigration while in EU.
    2013 47% would vote for revised settlement. Now 72% have opinion that equates to we will not get a deal – 47% say others will not make concessions – VERY PERCEPTIVE!

    • itdoesntaddup

      We can’t control immigration from outside the EU either: it accounted for 140,000 of the 212,000 official net immigration total.

      • CHRISTOPHER WHITE

        NO! for NONEU bearing down on work-2000 visas a month NOT ALL USED, no right to stay

        Financial level for bringing In wives introduced – wife alone need to earn 19k, +1 dependent ?25k

        Most of the ‘immigrants’ are students now & should return home – clearly need to POLICE

        NON EU FELL BY ABOUT 30000 BUT EU up so much particularly from depressed S swamped this & more.

        We simply can’t have 440 million being entitled to come to work.Nowhere else does such a situation exist & it has probably NEVER EXISTED!

  • wattys123

    more to immigration than cash, report finds 10,000 school girls groomed. http://www.wnd.com/2014/03/10000-schoolgirls-victims-of-u-k-sex-gangs/

    • HookesLaw

      ‘ Law and Freedom Association.’ Who are they? ‘a couple pof people operating out of a basement’? They hardly look objective.

      Interesting to see how quick a particularly nasty type of nutjob has jumped into this post.

      • wattys123

        shoot the messenger – if you were working class living in an area with Muslims, you would know that is a conservative figure. Working class girls had paid a terrible price for the rich to have cheap cleaners.

      • gerontius

        “Interesting to see how quick a particularly nasty type of nutjob has jumped into this post.”

        Come now Hookey, you of all people…..

      • William MacDougall

        Law and Freedom Association is an extremist group trying to stop mosques from being built. Banning even moderate Islam would make the problem of Islamic extremism worse not better. And their figure of 10,000 girls groomed appears pulled out of the air with no real basis. They are not a respectable source.

        • James Strong

          What is moderate Islam?
          I don’t think it is any good to the UK, even if it exists at all.
          ‘Moderate’ Islam, to me, is just a bunch of mohammedans who don’t shout and scream but let others do it for them, and they support the aims of the extremists.
          What is the vision of society that the vocal mohammedans want? And which parts of that vision are not shared by your ‘moderates’?
          All mohammedans support irreversible changes in our society that, in my opinion, would regress us hundreds of years.

          • William MacDougall

            Moderate Islam is what most Moslems in the world believe. If you wrongly pretend they are really extremists you will make them so and we will lose the war against extreme Islamists.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …however, it’s not interesting to see you socialist nutters leaping to the defense of these despicable criminals. And these are convicted criminals we’re discussing here, you cretin.

  • wattys123

    the fact that we have an immigrant fueled child rape epidemic should not come between big business and cheap labor. There is more to immigration than just skills – there is a community to protect.

    • ohforheavensake

      Do we actually have a child rape epidemic?

      • telemachus

        No
        Proscribe the poster

        • Colonel Mustard

          Baron has suggested you should be allowed to post your drivel and Isabel has reluctantly agreed not to proscribe you for now, although it was a hard sell.

          • telemachus

            Well if Baron suggests it I am so relieved
            Isabel on the other hand has considered removing the third most popular Coffee House poster on more than one occasion

            • Colonel Mustard

              Glad you acknowledge that it is drivel that you post.

        • gerontius

          What for?

      • wattys123

        we sure do, athttp://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-probe-least-54-more-1896991

      • alabenn

        You wont have one when the Sharia courts are up and running.
        Judge, Can you produce 4 independent male witnesses little girl,
        Little girl,. no.
        Judge not guilty, you 30 men can go home without a stain on your character.
        Judge to girl, you are a debauched creature for someone who is only ten, you have caused 30 men the inconvenience of having to come here for ten minutes, you shall be given thirty lashes before you are returned to the hardworking and kindly souls at the Council Care Home that the Mosque runs.

        • HookesLaw

          What makes you think Sharia law or Hebrew law would cover this.
          Anyway the catholic church got there before you.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            It’s amazing how you socialists always manage to break out the moral equivalency arguments. It doesn’t matter the situation, you lumps always revert to the least common denominator as your standard, and all are equal.

            It’s truly despicable, not that you lot will ever notice it.

      • HookesLaw

        Allegedly; the report goes back to last May. Where is the evidence that these paedophile rings are particularly immigrant fuelled.
        Canadian police recently busted a world wide ring including doctors nurses school teachers
        .
        This is just another case of the kipperesque fringe making racism acceptable.
        Sad nasty paedophiles are everywhere and in all walks of life.

        • wattys123

          90% are of Pakistani heritage. To me an immigrant is someone who does not have UK born grandparents – the same system applied to Japanese and Korean immigrants.

      • gerontius

        ‘fraid so old boy, though you won’t see it if you look the other way.

      • Hexhamgeezer

        Yes. And your child-like brain has already been r@ped.

    • telemachus

      Such inflammatory posts should be removed
      *
      Either that or produce your evidence

      • wattys123

        least 54 gangs currently under investigation – that is an epidemic. athttp://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-probe-least-54-more-1896991

        • telemachus

          That is no defence
          You must know addresses in that format cannot be opened as a link

          • Hexhamgeezer

            You’ve got the evidence. Now FKOFF

      • gerontius

        He just has.

      • National Conservatism

        You and those who agree with you would have our country and our people sleepwalk towards our own Armageddon, and the whole time tell us we can do nothing to prevent it, as to protect our own is to be ‘racist’

      • CHRISTOPHER WHITE

        epidemic is too strong but even Straw said some Asian men see white girls as ‘easy meat’ We need to acknowledge downsides of immigration. Only 2% Muslims support terrorism but if no Muslim immigration would be no Islamist terrorism. 73% AIDS cases in people born abroad – 4/5 TB. Operation Trident has had 160 officers working on black-on-black gun crime in London ALONE for 10-15 years.
        The undeniable truth is that UK population was AGAINST 3rd World immigration – poll quoted in Marr ‘History Modern GB’ found 3/4 agreed with Powell 1968.
        I notice you often make points about posts less offensive than this – is Spectator your bag? – you seem Staggers person

  • Rhoda Klapp8

    Who then supports UNmanaged migration?

    • Ron Todd

      Labour Liberals ‘respect’

    • Colonel Mustard

      telemachus

    • HookesLaw

      Labour did not in 2004.
      I am not sure that unskilled workers from the EU are not unmanaged. The free movement of labour allows people to move for work, not to hang around looking for work. There are rules that should be followed now before we rry to make up new ones.

    • Lady Magdalene

      LibLabCon.
      EU membership = uncontrollable, unmanaged immigration.

  • BarkingAtTreehuggers

    It’s crazy to talk yourself into a frenzy.
    Who’s gonna pay your pension? Hoodies?

    • Ron Todd

      Who is going to pay my pension. The money I have put into pension schemes over the last 40 years will pay part of it. British workers and skilled immigrants welcomed in from the rest of the world will hopefully contribute.

      Unskilled uncontrolled immigration from the EU and the rest of the world will not.

      • Grrr8

        Finance and economics not yer strong point eh Ronnie boy? Do u think yr pension scheme money is hiding under a mattress somewhere? Or possibly it needs people to borrow and invest it and other people to consume what that capital investment produces?

        • gerontius

          “Do u think yr pension scheme money is hiding under a mattress somewhere?”
          To be fair to him, it should have been put under a nice mattress – or preferably invested somewhere sensible. Unfortunately the funds were “Madoffed”.

          • Ron Todd

            Yes one of my pension pots a final salary one is not doing so well don’t understand how bringing in unskilled labour will make that any better.

            What happens to all this unskilled labour when it gets to retirement age? Will it all suddenly decide to go back home to claima pension there?

        • Ron Todd

          My pension money the money I take out of my wages every month is in investment schemes of my choice. The people who borrow and invest does not need to be low skilled third world immigrants.

      • BarkingAtTreehuggers

        1- either there is a £7trillion pension shortfall or there isn’t

        2- nothing is uncontrolled – Britain is not in Schengen so the counrty is vulnerable to imports like no other. oh look, all the colonial mustard is here, not in the EU.

        3- everyone always wants the skilled immigrants and when you sell education, what you also want is the unskilled.

        4- Jeez Louise!

        • Ron Todd

          1. How will low skilled immigration reduce the shortfall especially if they reduce the number of low skilled UK natives working.

          2. Whatever the law is we do not seem able to stop a lot of people from bad parts of the world coming here. If they commit crimes here we cannot send them back. Most of the immigration is still from outside EU.

          3. Increasing the number of unskilled people from third world countries with cultures that are so against Western values will not make this country more attractive to skilled immigrants. While there are so many natives unemployed unskilled immigration should be limited.

          There are immigrant engineers I have worked for companies that employ them. There are engineering jobs in UK I know people who do them. Plenty of UK people could do delivery jobs if the benefits system was changed to make low paid jobs a better alternative to the dole.

          • BarkingAtTreehuggers

            1- it doesn’t, it merely lowers salary expectations in return for increased commitment
            2- 90% of weed consumed in Britain is grown in Britain
            3- my values are different to those of hoodies. Keep ’em out, or just give ’em a good beating?
            4- the tiny country of Switzerland has a higher intake of foreign engineerings than Britain. We have burger joints, everywhere, apart from in SW1. You need to get out more.

            • Ron Todd

              1. So we agree that unskilled immigration is no help.
              2. So what no reason to bring more criminals in. And anyway I thought a lot of the weed was grown by unskilled immigrant labour from Vietnam.

              3. Because we have native British that you don’t like is no reason to import people who support.

              Arranged marriage
              forced marriage
              cousin marrige
              ‘honour’ murder
              FGM
              Dowery murder
              gang rape of young British girls
              not to mention terrorism.

              4. I don’t want all our lawyers architect and doctors to be foreign. What I do want is the immigration we do have to be of skilled people who’s talents we need. If we can get the education system sorted we will need fewer of them in the future.

              I would rather have the British kids who are never going to be doctors etc to work in a burgher joint than be unemployed.

    • wattys123

      you’ve obviously had your head in the sand, since 1997 immigrants have taken more out than they have put in,( UCL and MAC reports in the last month) making pension situation worse.

      • BarkingAtTreehuggers

        I don’t care – I now have plumbing that works…

        • gerontius

          I always did have.

          • BarkingAtTreehuggers

            Good for you, now travel England and look around you. Not exactly Singapore or Vancouver, is it?

            • gerontius

              No, it is England alright, definitely England and my plumbing works and always has done.
              Is that OK with you?

              • BarkingAtTreehuggers

                Now get yourself a rail card, travel England and look around you – not exactly plumbed to the max is it? Look at all the water damage everywhere and I am not even talking Berkshire or Somerset.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …what’s bothersome is your brain damage, lad.

Close
Can't find your Web ID? Click here