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Class warriors and unpaid mercenaries

28 March 2014

28 March 2014

Class war. It’s not very classy, is it? But it’s Labour’s big thing at the moment, the class-of-politicians-crisis, which it thinks works well with the other crisis facing hardworking families up and down the country that the party likes to talk about, and allows Ed Miliband to duck awkward things like responding to the Budget. He and his henchmen have spent the past week and a half talking as much about Etonians as they have pensioners. On Tuesday, Rachel Reeves had her go, banging on about rich Tories buying Lamborghinis. Ed Balls was the follow-up act on Wednesday (having already had a first shot last week with his jokes about the PM’s friend ‘Bingo’). He told the Commons that:

‘When the hon. Member for Skipton and Ripon (Julian Smith) and the Chancellor say that is a tax rise for business, that is only true if they do not think small businesses are proper businesses, which is a bit like saying, “If you didn’t go to Eton, you didn’t go to a proper public school.”’

Tory backbencher Mark Pritchard intervened on both Reeves and Balls this week to remind them that not all Tories are from wealthy backgrounds. Reeves rather chippily told him she was sorry he couldn’t afford a Lamborghini from his savings, while Balls joked that ‘I went to an even lesser private school than the Chancellor!’

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That last remark highlights the problem with this class war (apart from it being a really rubbish way of avoiding talking about, you know, policies). None of the parties have got a leg to stand on when it comes to class. Both the Labour and Conservative frontbenches are well-stocked with private school alumni (even though the Labour party is only 12% privately educated, 20% of the Shadow Cabinet went to private school. And 54% of Tory MPs went to private schools, with 38% of Tory Cabinet ministers). Just 7% of children in school are currently in the private sector.

And as Seb explained recently, what bothers voters more than the ‘preposterous’ number of Etonians in politics is politicians who have never had a ‘real’ job.

But the class war does make the Tories jumpy, particularly those who aren’t entirely comfortable in their own skins. David Cameron has never quite appeared at ease about his own accident of birth, whereas Boris Johnson embraces his poshness and moves on. He’s sincere, which is what voters care more about. The party knows it’s a sufficiently weak spot and a sufficiently rich seam for Labourites to mine that it makes MPs anxious about certain policy announcements: I quote one marginal MP in my Telegraph column today who supports repealing the Hunting Act but doesn’t want a debate about it because Labour could tie Etonians and hunting together to make a nice mess for the Conservatives. And of course certain Tories only egg Labour on with deeply unhelpful comments.

That aversion to confronting the hunting problem may well be because the pro-hunting side would lose, but it creates another problem, which is that pro-hunt campaigners who poured resources into Tory constituencies in 2010 are furious that some of the MPs they supported have turned tail and fled the cause since entering parliament. Melissa Kite wrote about this fury for the Spectator in December. I hear that at one bash, Lord Feldman described Vote-OK as the ‘private army’ of the Conservative movement. Afterwards, a senior Vote-OK rep made clear that they were in fact ‘mercenaries who still haven’t been paid’. Which points to another war, waged within the Tory party, alongside the class battle that Labour fancies fighting.


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  • wudyermucuss

    Come the real revolution,those labour toffs will be out in the fields,slaving for their bowl of socialist gruel,which they’ll receive after their political indoctrination class,(4-5 hours).
    And they’ll bloody well smile and say thankyou too,or is it’s off to the punishment block.

  • Redrose82

    Balls joked that ‘I went to an even lesser private school than the Chancellor!’

    It shows.

  • Tony_E

    In the end, socialism is rooted in the war between the classes. Modern Labour has taken it a step further, by bringing the definition of the ‘ruling classes’ down to anyone above the level of ‘low qualified wage slave’.

  • Kevin Ronald Lohse

    ” ‘I went to an even lesser private school than the Chancellor!’” It shows, Ed, it shows.

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    • SP

      Good grief the scammers are everywhere. Go away!

      • corinium

        Oh I don’t know, I think Vivian makes more sense than the Labour front benches……..

  • timinsingapore

    Gay marriage will gain more votes than it loses. And it’s a better long-term investment, given the demographics. The denture-gnashing antis will probably vote UKIP anyway, before they fall, medium-term, into a deep, deep sleep, and off the electoral register.

  • Conway

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  • saffrin

    Gay marriage will make society stronger says David Cameron.

    I don’t think so, gay marriage is going to lose you the next General Election you muppet, along with you reneging on your pre-election promise of cutting immigration.

  • saffrin

    Labour did rather well during their reign. Never before has one party created so many poor.

  • Daniel Maris

    I’d say Labour have been remarkably restrained in their playing of the Eton card. My criticism would be that they don’t expose the power network for what it is and how it works.

    • HookesLaw

      Hilarious.
      But maybe you are right – far better to have the likes of Fred Goodwin running our key industries.

  • HookesLaw

    We have a labour MP, Mary Creagh, moaning that because she speaks properly she is being heckled by her own side.
    One could not make it up.

  • Martha

    Isabel, I know this fact has eluded you but this is a class war, it’s being waged by your friends the Tories and their rich chums, with the aim of enriching themselves further.

    • Colonel Mustard

      Grow up.

    • Doctor Mick

      Yes quite. You really need to grow up.

    • Kitty MLB

      You may find that was Labour.Even now,
      the likes of Blair and Brown continue to get rich..
      have you forgotten silly girl.

      • telemachus

        Martha raises a legitimate point and deserves more than to be patronised by frippery

        • Colonel Mustard

          It is not a legitimate point at all. It is just a silly Labour caricature of the Tories. Smearing and labelling is all you people offer.

    • Daniel Maris

      I’m afraid I have to agree. It seems the Conservative pretence of a social conscience from the mid 20th century was just that – a pretence. It’s now pretty clear as we see the propertied class enriching itself hugely at a time of terrible austerity (most people have not seen their real wages rise for about 10 years now) that the Conservatives will always back profit over people.

    • saffrin

      That explains the widening gap between rich and poor during Labour’s reign then does it?

  • BigAl

    Whatever happened to One Nation Labour? One Nation unless you are educated privately, have made some money (and paid a lot of tax) and in general disagree with socialism and communism as a guide for government.

    Last one turn out the light……

    • Colonel Mustard

      You have it exactly. Their concept of ‘diversity’ is somewhat narrow and constraining.

    • telemachus

      I think your first paragraph has a point
      But your second is so wide of the mark as to be laughable

      • saffrin

        The EU is frantically working on the second paragraph in their determination to get Putin to turn the gas off.
        What are the odds by next year Brussels has successfully negotiated a doubling of our gas prices?

        • telemachus

          The EU in fact reflects or even lags behind UK/Hague policy

  • Kitty MLB

    This class war shroud that the desperate Silliband and other champagne socialists #
    hide behind shows their desperation. They have nothing of any substance to offer
    so back to pleasing the most common denominator with a bucket full of poisonous
    spite and envy. You can avoid asking important questions about the budget if you
    utter those worn out words ‘Bullington Club’ instead- how predictable and childish.
    I should like to point out that at least the ‘posh boys’ of olde new how to run a country,
    and did not run it into the ground like the ‘ peoples party’ and spend all our money.
    As you pointed out people on both front benches have has an excellent education,
    which I hope we would want for those working for us.
    I must also add one of the most popular Conservative MP’s amongst Labour
    voters is the very posh Jacob Rees- Mogg he is unashamed of himself, loyal
    and genuine and they love that. Because Labour left the working classes a very
    long time ago.

    • telemachus

      Kitty
      You cannot bat away the handles
      Eton
      St Pauls

      • realfish

        I do not care a jot where those who are putting the country back on its feet were educated (25 years ago). Competence is what counts, and is what is sadly lacking on the Labour benches.

        The privileged Miliband might pathetically repeat, ad nauseam, that the posh Tory boys are not of the people, but as a doctor might say, ‘I don’t have to have the pox to be able to cure it’.

        • telemachus

          How on earth can the Tory top dogs with their background have empathy with the suffering of the poor and disadvantaged

          • Colonel Mustard

            How on earth can the Labour top dogs, millionaires from privileged backgrounds, fake empathy with the suffering of the poor and disadvantaged in order to secure power by cynical pretence and then do nothing to improve their lot.

            http://thebackbencher.co.uk/fact-labour-safe-seats-worst-places-live/

            • telemachus

              Yvette drives social policy in the inner sanctums
              As an alumnus of a comprehensive school she well understands the problems across the social spectrum

              • Colonel Mustard

                She is terminally useless as well you know and it is not healthy for democracy to have a husband and wife in the same cabinet, let alone two sisters.

                • telemachus

                  Except when one of the sisters is the delightful engaging Angela whose ready understanding of economics will stand us in good stead in 2015

                • Colonel Mustard

                  We’ll see. If so let’s hope she has a better understanding than the other economic morons in your party who managed to bankrupt the country. But her track record suggests not.

                  Warned of a housing bubble and recession in April 2008 Eagle responded: “Fortunately for all of us…that colourful and lurid fiction has no real bearing on the macro-economic reality.” Uh-oh. In 2009 Jeremy Browne, who led the debate reflected on her comments, stating “A year ago, Angela Eagle’s comments summed up the Government’s delusional attitude. We had been warning for months that we faced a housing market collapse and a serious recession, but ministers did not want to hear it. Their failure to face up to reality left the country dangerously unprepared for the crisis that now confronts us.”

                  That’s your Eagle that is.

                • telemachus

                  You clearly take orders from your leader

                  The Prime Minister is facing calls to apologise after he told a Labour shadow minister ‘Calm down, dear’ during Prime Minister’s Questions yesterday

                  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1381128/MP-Angela-Eagle-sexism-row-David-Camerons-calm-dear-putdown-PMQs.html#ixzz2xI1D8wTc

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Come now. No answer to the facts of Eagle’s economic gaffe?

                  And according to you, o creepy one, I’m an anarchist. An anarchist with a leader now?

                • telemachus

                  Yes a leader
                  We all need to belong in the end

                • Colonel Mustard

                  And still no answer to the facts of Eagle’s economic illiteracy.

                • HookesLaw

                  Only from people who have no sense of humour … and an even uglier scowl than Eagles.

                • telemachus

                  She is a witty kind person

                • HookesLaw

                  Like you you mean? Lets face it you’re a laugh a minute.

                • Kitty MLB

                  He’s side splitting. Should be on the stage.
                  Maybe they could be a double act.

                • Wessex Man

                  This is true we could have a real comedy routine of telemachus and Hooky on stage together, oh the belly laughs!

                • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                  No she is a talentless moron incapable of stacking shelves in a supermarket.

                • Wessex Man

                  That’s a Claasic as my dear old departed and fellow Ukip member Frank Carson would say. Hooky saying some one else has no sense of humour, you do tell the best Hooky baby!

                • Mynydd

                  So why hasn’t Mr Cameron/Osborne not learn the lesson by allowing a housing bubble to develop now, or are they hoping that it will only burst after the next general election.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Ask them not me. Some of us are not as tribalist as you.

              • Kitty MLB

                Yvette Cooper is so appalling with her fake
                outrage and concern.She is an actress
                strutting her stuff and resembling someone
                chewing a hamster.

                • telemachus

                  A brilliant economist who probably eclipses her charismatic husband on the subject

                • Colonel Mustard

                  All these ‘brilliant economists’ in the Labour party who left it to Liam Byrne to state the bottom line “There is no money left”.

                  Did any of these ‘brilliant economists’ advise Broon not to sell our gold cheap? Or maybe they did the calculations that encouraged him to boast “No more boom or bust”.

                • telemachus

                  Political slogans
                  It was the deeds
                  The deeds
                  No longer did 50% of patients have to die on cardiac waiting lists
                  No longer did pensionners have to wait 5 years racked in pain for a new hip

                • Colonel Mustard
                • telemachus

                  If you want a car to take your children to school and yourself to work
                  And you do not have a silver spoon
                  You take a loan
                  *
                  Or you walk

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Infantile tripe.

                • http://batman-news.com Whizjet

                  The difference is that we taxpayers have to repay loans – whereas neither Brown nor Labour bother with details like that.
                  This is the reason we still have over half of the Labour deficit to repay, and are still racking up the National Debt while trying to reduce the rest.

                • telemachus

                  But we have the health and education

                • HookesLaw

                  But no money to pay for it

                • Mynydd

                  Of course there is money to pay for health and education. Mr Cameron/Hunt have said many times that they have increased spending on the NHS. Mr Clegg/Gove said many times that spending on education one up. It seem you are saying the government has lost control of spending and are borrowing more and more every year.

                • Mynydd

                  When any party leaves office the incoming government takes responsibility for the economy. Therefore the increase in the National Debt since 2010 is down to the present government., and its failure to balance the book by 2015 as promised.

                • Kitty MLB

                  I think a lot of this has to do with the
                  ‘Bleeding heart’ and hand wringing Lib
                  Dums and the gerrymandering from the
                  opposition who put party before country
                  by saying no cuts were needed.
                  I agree with you, Osborne maybe should
                  have been more firm.
                  Yet considering the mess they left
                  us in I suppose it was always going to
                  take longer, we had the biggest dept
                  in Europe.

                • Mynydd

                  If Mr Cameron had won an overall majority then the Lib Dem would not be in government. If Mr Cameron had the bottle he would have formed a minority government. If Mr Cameron was a strong leader he would be able to control the Lib Dems.

                • Mynydd

                  If they are dodgy PFI scams why hasn’t the government scrapped them, they have had four years to do so. Remember there are always clauses that allow the contracts to be re-negotiated. A way to show your hatred of these so called PFI scams is not to use them, just use a Victorian hospital without modern facilities.

                • GnosticBrian

                  Mid-Staffs!

                • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                  Tell that to the 1,200 people who died needlessly at mid-Staffs on the watch of Andy ‘it’s my carrer that matters not the patients’ Burnham. Oh, wait a minute, you can’t.

                • Mynydd

                  Would you please tell me what the price of gold will be in ten years time. I can then decide whether to buy or sell.

                • http://batman-news.com Whizjet

                  She certainly eclipses most people when it comes to ripping off the taxpayer with her expenses:
                  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5325590/Ed-Balls-and-Yvette-Cooper-flipped-homes-three-times-MPs-expenses.html
                  and her children’s travelling expenses – all that champagne:
                  http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/233033/Probe-into-Ed-Balls-14k-expenses-for-children
                  Proper union offspring is young Yvette!

                • telemachus

                  Do not decry those who learn their trade at the knees of the great

                • http://batman-news.com Whizjet

                  When that ‘trade’ disadvantages rich and poor alike, increases the gap between them, reduces social mobility, and bankrupts the economy. . . . . you have to be concerned.
                  The worst and most hypocritical thing about Labour, Cooper, Burnham, Balls, Miliband – the lot of them – is that the result of there errors damages their natural supporters the most. Truly, Labour voters must be like poor old Boxer in Animal Farm – it makes a sound case for an educational qualification for enfranchisement.

                • alanmdouglas

                  Well now, that would not be hard !

                  Alan Douglas

                • telemachus

                  2 excellent minds
                  I was only ranking them

                • alanmdouglas

                  Well now, that would not be hard !

                • telemachus

                  ??

                • Harold Angryperson

                  Not to mention the fake accent…

                • telemachus

                  Fake
                  She is a Scot

                • Harold Angryperson

                  Scottish born, Hampshire raised. The faux Yorkshire that she attempts sounds like a bad Coronation Street Lancastrian one.

                • telemachus

                  But a girl with true grit

                • Harold Angryperson

                  And a fake accent. Worse than Blair’s attempts at Mockney.

                • Frank

                  She must be to put up with the slime ball!

                • telemachus

                  Together they make a powerful charismatic team

                • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                  And two other people somewhere in Britain are happy because they did not end up marrying one of those two amoral scumbags.

                • Hello?

                  Lying, scheming and smarmy champagne socialists in it for the grab.

              • http://batman-news.com Whizjet

                She certainly knows how to flip her residences, and together with her odious husband, to maximise the allowances rip-off!

                • telemachus

                  You repeat yourself
                  I look at it differently
                  They are the kind of charismatic couple we need to re-energise us

                • http://batman-news.com Whizjet

                  The only re-energising I need is more cuts in public spending.

              • http://batman-news.com Whizjet
                • telemachus

                  Slanderous site

                • http://batman-news.com Whizjet

                  All true – and they both deserve it.

              • Fergus Pickering

                So going to a comprehensive school gives you true wisdom! Where was Yvette’s school, pray? Lots of blacka and children without shoes eh?

                • telemachus

                  Fergus
                  Wisdom is multifaceted
                  If you live in aristocratic privilege in the Home Counties and go to Eton you have no visceral appreciation of the broad spread of society
                  You will never even have likely met children and families that struggle to put food on the table
                  The education system is for more than passing examinations

                • Kitty MLB

                  Oh where did I put that violin, all this is so sad,
                  but we are truly blessed to hear Labours wise sermons,
                  when Brown was selling off all our gold& Blair was jet setting
                  they were thinking of the poor little waifs and strays.
                  Teachers under Labour were no more then glorified lion
                  tamers and social workers and it was all about children
                  passing inferior exams and not about teaching–
                  Never mind at least we now have the excellent Michael Gove.

                • telemachus

                  Gove who cajoles and berates teachers rather than encouraging and motivating them to excellence

                • Kitty MLB

                  Teaching is a vocation ( well should be ) a passion !
                  To create a little spark and the gift of learning that will
                  last your pupils a lifetime… but if you have incompetent
                  teachers who do not understand their subject and fail students
                  then one must berate them, and sack them Teaching
                  is about students and not teachers and teaching unions.

                • telemachus

                  This is a large workforce like any other
                  Good management does involve encouragement and motivation and yes weeding out those who cannot rise to the challenge
                  The hated odious Gove berates denigrates and demoralises

                • Colonel Mustard

                  He is ‘hated’ by the Labour party and their acolytes in education as part of an orchestrated campaign because they don’t like him freeing children from their brainwashing control. Nothing to do with reality. Just the usual Labour subversion and hate speech towards a legitimate government.

                  The odious were that collection of misbegotten “teachers” marching on strike. All of them lefty weirdos with red banners and commie protest placards.

                • Kitty MLB

                  Its not about unions controlling and stifling teachers
                  teachers should be capable and free to make their own judgements. Those who hate Gove have their own agenda
                  and one that is not in the best interests of children.
                  The feral teaching unions need dealing with, also
                  they threaten and manipulate teachers…many of which
                  are sick of them. I say free our children and teachers.

                • telemachus

                  Every workforce need motivation
                  You folk cannot understand this to the disadvantage of our children and the nation’s future

                • Kitty MLB

                  You are speaking from a script, telemachus.
                  And Labour do not give a toss about childrens
                  future.

                • Wessex Man

                  He’s a robot controlled by Hooky, who’s high on something Call me Dave gave him!

                • Kitty MLB

                  Its those strange mushrooms that Dave & Nick,
                  pick whilst in the woods hugging trees–
                  If anyone is offered mushroom stew they should say No !

                • Mynydd

                  That doesn’t make the script wrong. By your logic Labour party members don’t have children of their own.

                • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                  Labour the party of lies, lying and liars.

                • Mynydd

                  Tell that to Mr Gove, he thinks he can take someone off the street and make them competent teachers over night.

                • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                  Gove who is busy scouring the rancid filth and lies of socialism from the British education system.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  Some of the buggers need berating, like the head teacher who would notteach her charges the multiplication tables.

                • Jackthesmilingblack

                  That head teacher`s a pillock. How can the kids figure the racing odds at the track when they can`t do mental arithmetic? Interestingly, people here in Japan only know their tables up to 10. Eleven and 12 are not taught. Metric country one assumes.
                  Jack, Japan Alps

                • Fergus Pickering

                  I know you lefties suppose schools are instruments of social engineering but I don’t. Schools are for teaching children things they ought to know. How the poor live may be one of those things but Reading. Riting and Rithmetic are more important and you lot have always fallen down on that..

                • telemachus

                  Schools are for teaching children things they ought to know.
                  *
                  Would this include social responsibility and care for your fellow man?

                • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                  No. That is a job for parents.

                • Kitty MLB

                  No those are the values that responsible
                  and caring parents teach children and
                  not irresponsible Leftie parents.
                  A lot of whom set a very bad example.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  ‘social responsibility’ as defined by who? The Left. A political ideology that has somehow managed to raise itself to become a religion that conceives all other politics as heresy to be condemned.

                  Care for fellow man was once taught by the Church of England, before Labour created secular religion and stuffed the Church with Labour ideologists to subvert and transform what had been religion into politics.

                  A cunning conflation in the march towards a single party state. Crow how good you all are from the top of the moral dung heap as you coerce the “little people” into slavery.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  No. That is what churches do.

              • Wessex Man

                I bet you’ve never lived anywhere where they don’t clean the streets daily comrade.

            • Nicholas chuzzlewit

              Very simple. Labour is the party of lies, lying and filthy liars.

          • Kitty MLB

            The hypocrisy, you made them poor and
            disadvantaged when you ravaged the
            country and showed them utter distain.

            • telemachus

              Come on Kitty
              Lame even for you
              Gordon gave us a modern health service and classrooms our children did not need to freeze in

              • Colonel Mustard

                Broon gave us shiny new hospitals in which the elderly died of neglect while Burnham drank champagne at taxpayer’s expense and schools that turned out illiterate students, both saddled with crippling PFI.

                • telemachus

                  You know well that Andy exposed and instituted the first credible inquiry into the calumnies of neglect

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Only when he was pushed to the wall by the scandal and could no longer use the feeble excuse that ‘his’ managers were too busy.

                • telemachus

                  Andy understands the NHS well enough for me cofidently to predict he will reverse the current decline in May next year

                • Colonel Mustard

                  If he had a shred of decency or honour he should have resigned by now.

                  ” . . . campaigners blame (Burnham) for blocking the inquiry from being held in public – a decision that was reversed by the Tories – and for setting up a smaller and more limited investigation.”

                • telemachus

                  Read his plans for joined up health and social care
                  And then support him

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Never. He is a charlatan who had his staff excise critical comments about him on his Wiki entry.

                  Labour plans have no credibility. With Labour it is never the intentions one has to watch but the consequences, often unintended, always shambolic.

                • telemachus

                  How else are we to save the NHS without Andy’s plans to join up health and social care
                  And to have the will and drive to do it

                • Colonel Mustard

                  I think the best way to “save” the NHS is firstly to stop lying about what the government is trying to achieve and secondly to ensure that the Labour party never get their hands on it or their managers in it ever again.

                • telemachus

                  Labour created it
                  Only Labour know how to cherish and deliver through it

                • Colonel Mustard

                  The Labour that created it no longer exists. Somehow you lost your way between then and now. You kept the name but nothing else.

                  Your NHS record from 1997 to 2010 was appalling. You thought it enough to throw money, multi-tiered managers and triplicate forms at the problem.

                • HookesLaw

                  Labour did not create it – it came from the wartime Beveridge report – a liberal.

                • http://batman-news.com Whizjet

                  The NHS is beyond saving.
                  It needs to be privatised, and replaced with a genuine safety net that is properly means tested.

                • HookesLaw

                  So you have loads of money to pay for private health care?
                  Have you seen what they pay in France? Employees and Employers?
                  You think that you and your family will never be ill?
                  Suppose you child was born with a cleft pallet? How would you fund that? Or if your wife had complications in pregnancy or your mother had a long term chronic illness?

                • http://batman-news.com Whizjet

                  Check out Western Europe, and ask yourself why most of that area does not use our system of so-called state funding, and yet mostly deliver better results.
                  Nothing is ‘free at the point of delivery’ – it’s just paid for by someone else.
                  Except for dentistry.
                  And opticians.
                  And prescriptions.
                  So why not GP visits?
                  On our ludicrous, unaffordable and broken system, we continue to slip down the rankings, presently 14th out of 33.
                  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6239848/The-NHS-is-ranked-14th-out-of-33-European-healthcare-systems.html

                • telemachus

                  Yes
                  Properly means tested
                  I have a feeling that this is properly where we are headed
                  As medicine advances and the population ages we cannot go on funding everything for everybody from taxes

                • http://batman-news.com Whizjet

                  That is unusually pragmatic for you!
                  You’ll come round to Von Mises and Hayek yet, given time!

                • Fergus Pickering

                  Why do you call him Andy? Are you a clandestine gay couple?

                • Kitty MLB

                  Well yes, telemachus, ‘Andy’, and Tristram are
                  having a homoerrotic fling with statuesque
                  Tristram as their ‘plaything’.
                  All this happens in the subterranean passages
                  beneath the HOC, where Milipede, that
                  dark eyed zombie used to hang upside
                  down from the rafters.
                  All somewhat sordid, Fergus, somewhat
                  sordid.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  Indeed, Kitty. It doesn’t bear thinking about by right-thinking people.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  How will he do that?He will still be in opposition.

              • http://batman-news.com Whizjet

                Gordon gave us nothing.
                Gordon mortgaged our grandchildren’s future.
                Gordon destroyed our pensions.
                GORDON WAS A MORON!

              • http://batman-news.com Whizjet

                ‘How can a quarter of NHS trusts get away with having their “value for money” accounts qualified by their auditors? How can a fifth of hospitals treat their older patients without dignity or compassion? And how is it that a single hospital in mid-Staffordshire could have been responsible for killing its patients at a level equivalent to two or more Lockerbie air crashes, yet apparently no one noticed or did anything?’
                THANKS LABOUR!
                Thanks a lot.
                Don’t call us . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

                • telemachus

                  Not Labour
                  The demographic time bomb and science is changing the game
                  We need a fresh approach from Andy Burnham to integrate heath and social care with the means testing you advocated above

                • http://batman-news.com Whizjet

                  Of COURSE it was Labour.
                  That ‘big lie’ technique of Blair & Brown is a bit outmoded, Telemachus my old dhobeybucket!

              • alanmdouglas

                “a modern health service” like mid-Staffs ? Thanks.

                • telemachus

                  Created and set on course by Health Secretary Virginia Bottomley

          • Kitty MLB

            The Labour front bench treat the poor and disadvantaged
            with utter contempt and until now you believed they had
            no where else to go. They may never vote Conservative
            due to years of brainwashing with a diet of poison .
            Yet they will vote UKIP, the new party for old Labour votes.

            • telemachus

              Yes but what are UKIP policies for the poor?

              • Wessex Man

                The working classes in the Norrthern Labour strongholds seem to like our policies very much, you should form your own party of New Labor bores.

          • Frank

            As someone much more famous than me said “you don’t have to be a chicken to judge an egg”.
            Now do please go away, your insufferable bleating is nether interesting, nor amusing.
            If there is ever a proper class war, you can rest assured that you and your darlings on the labour front bench will be the first against the wall.

            • telemachus

              But you will be in the Gulag first

              • Colonel Mustard

                So the ‘care for your fellow man’ didn’t last long before the cold heart of the commissar is revealed.

          • fubar_saunders

            and the privately educated never had a real job in their lives Labour top dogs can???

            Do me a frickin’ favour. Look at the constituencies you’ve mentioned, all of em with Labour MPs, since god knows when… and theyre still sh1tholes after all these years. Wonder why….

        • Kitty MLB

          And those sickening deceitful liars are not ‘the peoples party’
          Do the people of Doncaster believe Miliband represents then.
          It was a easy safe seat and I am sure on the rare occasions
          he graces that place with his presence Milipede holds his nose.

          • telemachus

            A cheap jibe on his medical condition

            • Kitty MLB

              Labour are the experts on cheap jibes.
              I think what dark thoughts are within that shadowy cluttered brain of his
              are more of a danger then his nose.

              • telemachus

                His thoughts now range beyond victory to how to restore fairness and ensure through Andy and others that the decline in the NHS is reversed

        • Mynydd

          The feet you write about is the National Debt which has doubled under this government, because they have not fulfilled their promise to eliminate the deficit by the end of this parliament. By the way since the budget I have bought 300 pints of beer down the local, so I am off now for the free one.

      • Colonel Mustard

        You should stand as mayor of Tower Hamlets since you are so passionate about improving it.

        • telemachus

          Coming from the Chair of Great Missenden Parish Council

          • Colonel Mustard

            I often wondered why you were so parochial and small minded, like the worse kind of sneaky, stalking, back-stabbing parish councillor. Great Missendon is really too small a pond for a big fishy fellow like you with such a huge ego. Tower Hamlets beckons! Go there and give them shoes. Become their Dear Leader.

            Stand on a ticket of shoes for Tower Hamlets!

            • telemachus

              As you well know I was talking about the moustache toting little englander whose day job is as High Sheriff of the blogs
              He has even been annoying Mark Ferguson of late

              • Colonel Mustard

                Really? Who is that then?

                • telemachus

                  Deny it

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Deny what? That I have a moustache?

                • telemachus

                  That you have attempted to annoy Mark

                • Colonel Mustard

                  That I have commented at Labour List? So what. You “comment” here.

                • telemachus

                  Sincerely
                  I am surprised he let you in
                  Many others round here have not been accorded that privelege

          • saffrin

            Great Missendon?
            No wonder you have no idea the damage open door mass immigration has done.
            Parish Council?
            Elected by seven members from the local bingo club.

            • telemachus

              I was referring to the Blog High Sheriff

              • Colonel Mustard

                You are the Blog High Sheriff o deluded one. Check out the threads. Your “comments” are all over them like a rash. Rarely does a conservative have a chance to comment without you ‘tagging’ it and if the blog article falls within Labour’s scripted ‘targets’ you are sure to ‘tag’ the top comment.

                Why you even paste little Sheriff’s stars in your “comments”.

      • HookesLaw

        Fettes

        • telemachus

          He was a revisionist

          • Colonel Mustard

            Who you voted for three times. And no doubt if you had been infesting this website then you would have been telling us about his ‘charisma’ and how he was going to save all the shoeless children in Tower Hamlets.

            • telemachus

              No
              He was a necessary evil to rid us of an 18 year scourge

              • Colonel Mustard

                Only from a Labour tribalist perspective. I remember it well, how dire and miserable this country was before Thatcher and how dynamic and confident afterwards. Until Major appeared and then Blair.

                • telemachus

                  Major yes
                  Blair no
                  You and your kind were happy to fete him before Iraq
                  He gave Boris his triumph last Summer

                • Colonel Mustard

                  I never feted Blair, never voted for the weasel and I thought Major a chump. I knew Iraq was going to be a disaster when I saw that over-promoted Rupert look down his nose at the journalist who asked him how he was planning to maintain order in liberated Basra and say “I’m not a bloody policeman” .

                  He wasn’t much of a bloody soldier either.

                • saffrin

                  Livingstone gave Boris his triumph with his ‘all London will know Islam speech’.
                  How unfortunate for Private Rigsby that your party;
                  a) Flooded the country with Muslims.
                  b) Engaged in two illegal wars that would inflame them.

      • http://batman-news.com Whizjet

        Of course, we’d much rather have champagne socialists like the millionaire Kinnock, the bruising pugilist Prescott, the ridiculous Harman, the morally compassed Brown, the egregious Blair.
        I care not where the governement is educated as long as it’s competent, and I have watched Labour governments spend, waste and fail since the sixties.
        Every time.
        The Labour busts are longest and deepest, their ‘recoveries’ the least real and most inflationary.
        It’s not a coincidence that it’s only Labour MPs who have been sent to prison for expenses fraud.
        The facts of life are Conservative.

        • telemachus

          The facts of life are Conservative
          No
          Only socialism can promote fairness of the human spirit
          It was conservative social Darwinism that made Germany of the 30’s so reprehensible
          The Educational Social Darwinism of Gove harks back to that German Experiment
          And we know what the end result of that was

      • ButcombeMan

        That “odious Gove” just brought about a major change at a school one of my grandchildren goes to,

        For years the Headmistress and her predecessor, had refused to teach multiplication tables, I even argued the point with her but no go. She was brainwashed, brain dead even, I was told it was not important, children “could discover number at their own pace”. A very silly woman.

        Now that she is, in some panic and under Govian duress, teaching tables, a grandchild that was frightened of arithmetic is now enjoying it, indeed reveling in it and understands it.

        • telemachus

          For one triumph we have to watch his belittling of a proud profession

          • ButcombeMan

            That once “proud profession” became an unkempt, undisciplined, shabby, semi literate, absolute shower, of people who could not hack it in any walk of life, Largely useless in international terms.

            Not all of course, but a high proportion.

            Bereft of leadership, skill, ambition and purpose, they stole the educational opportunity of too many of our youngsters and stifled attainment .The sheer mediocrity of what Labour policies and attitudes, gave the nation, impoverished Britain.

            Gove is correcting that.

            • telemachus

              It is the method of correction
              In my fairly extensive industrial experience the way to change your workforce is to encourage and motivate not cajole and denigrate

            • Kitty MLB

              Very well said sir.
              They purposely made sure our young left school
              unfit for work and without any inspiration….just a life
              fit for the benefits system, instead of taxpayers.
              Keep them illiterate, poor, dependant , without hope
              and voting Labour.

              • telemachus

                Disingenuous my child
                The Party promotes excellence across society
                Not just in those who stump up school fees

                • Colonel Mustard

                  The party suffocates aspiration, reduces all to mediocrity and destroys excellence. And it lies.

                • Kitty MLB

                  Do you live in another dimension to the rest of us.
                  Labour is not about promoting excellence.
                  Its about manipulation and entrapment.
                  I remember Thatcher saying, you do not have to stay in the
                  life you were born into, you can improve your life and progress,
                  she understood aspiration. Labour would never understand that.

                • telemachus

                  Aspiration and drive to improvement is at the core of our socialist philosophy but without opportunity all is for nought

                • Colonel Mustard

                  It’s the core of a rotten apple long past its sell by date. Take a bite from that and it is poison.

                • telemachus

                  Listen son
                  Our movement has done more for our nation than every other political force since the dawn of parliament
                  We grew out of the Trade Unions who finally gave the poor worker what all the Factory Acts could not
                  We replaced the degrading workhouses by welfare at the inception of the NHS
                  Gordon Brown took the proud beginnings and invested to the point of world class services
                  I weep to see what the coalition are doing to this proud record

                • Kevin Ronald Lohse

                  The now defunct methodist-based Labour did much of what you claim. The Marxist monster Labour has become has done nothing but reduce opportunity for the poor. The Blair/Brown terror which implemented the policy of unfettered immigration for party-political purposes sold the working class down the river. Your blind support of the NHS in light of the revelations of the past year is obscene. BTW. the concept of an NHS was first mooted at government level by Winston Churchill in 1910 when President of the Board of Trade.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Ah, that ‘son’ thing again.

                  What rot. As usual you conflate history with Labour myth. Many workhouses were converted into ‘Public Assistance Institutions’ by local councils and by 1939 there were still 100,000 people accommodated in them.

                  It was actually a Liberal government under which a Royal Commission recommended reform of workhouses in 1905 which led ultimately to the changes but that Commission was actually set up by an outgoing Conservative government and was chaired by Lord George Hamilton.

                  As usual Labour can be relied upon to hi-jack and claim for themselves the hard work of others.

                • Kevin Ronald Lohse

                  “The Party ” a deliciously Marxist giveaway, promotes the levelling down of society, not the levelling up. In Education, Labour supports equality of outcome as the easy alternative to equality of opportunity, a far harder aim which promotes far higher standards. That’s why Gove is hated by knee-jerk Lefties. It is Labour’s education policies that have so many Graduates with useless degrees intoning,”Do you want fries with that”, as the most-used phrase in their working days.

                • telemachus

                  Labour is that it ‘owes more to Methodism than Marxism’ is indeed a truism coined

      • saffrin

        Unsurprisingly Labour knocks World respected British institutions in favour of immigrant enclaves.
        No wonder the country went bust during Labour’s term.

    • Samuel Kaine Wheeler

      That we laugh at him doesn’t mean we like him.

      • mark tayler

        it can adversely affect tactical decisions

        you told him

        hey nevs

        pray it is all over

        american or british

        travel together

        I am nine

        zagreb

        affordable
        big portions

        romantic

        please sixth anniversary

        six months ago

        offical one month annivesary

        confusing

        isnt it

        flustered

        cheek

    • Hello?

      Labour did indeed leave the working classes a very long time ago, and now that they have secured their own posh lifestyle, would like them back to help them keep it.

    • Mgooboo

      Why does cameron, Osborne and the rest pretend to be working class then? they obviously are well aware they are completely out of touch with the electorate which is why they try in such a transparant and misguided way to pander to us such as posing with an unsettled pint, eating a burger, pretending to eat pasties, seriously what is the need? they must think were bloody stupid. And then the bingo thing recently, this government doesn’t have a clue. And obviously you might think the “posh boys” rung the country great where you are, but up north they do bugger all for us except suck the wealth out of our communities.

  • Rhoda Klapp8

    There is a class war, but it is between the political class and the rest of us whom they despise. Once you look at it from there, it all fits.

    • Latimer Alder

      One of the reasons for the rise of UKIP is that they don’t treat the ordinary people of the country as ‘the enemy’, who must be nudged, directed, cajoled, preached at, nannied, prohibited, banned, fined and imprisoned for whatever it is they have decided is ‘Bad’ this week.

      All the other parties have the authoritarian ‘the Man in Whitehall Really Does Know Best’ in their DNA, and attract those who wish to give it practical form.

      • HookesLaw

        The friends of Putin? Don’t make me laugh. Not the enemy? What about gays and blacks?

        • Wessex Man

          Still trying to smear Hooky pity for you that everbody has seen through your pathetic attempts. Why I bet if French said we want the isle of Wight, you’d say let them have it for the sake of EU Unity!

        • Mynydd

          For once I agree with UKIP. Mr Cameron/Hague should not be giving unconditional support to a country, that in a matter of ten short years, that have kicked out two, not one but two, elected governments by mob rule. Mr Cameron/Hague are now preparing to give financial support (UK taxpayers money) to an unelected government. It could well be that this aid will be used to clear Ukraine’s unpaid bill for Russian gas, which I understand to be in the order of $2,000,000,000. Of course we are a wealthy nation, and money no object when Mr Cameron/Hague want to strut the world stage. It’s about time they staid at home and campaigned to keep Scotland part of the UK rather than crusading to keep the Crimea part of the Ukraine
          To agree with UKIP on this matter doesn’t make me a friend nor an enemy of Mr Putin.

    • Latimer Alder

      BTW – Hi Rhoda! Long time…How’s the wardrobe?

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