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Vladimir Putin is a reactionary autocrat, not a conservative

27 February 2014

2:33 PM

27 February 2014

2:33 PM

Apparently the new Muppets film features Russians as the baddies, a sign of the times as we increasingly draw into a new ideological cold war with the old enemy.

Or perhaps a hot, ethnic war, if events in Crimea get any worse, events which raise questions about western foreign policy. Why are we getting involved in this country ‘steeped in blood and carpeted with unquiet graves’, as Peter Hitchens calls it? Another paleocon type, the Telegraph’s semi-deprogrammed former leftist Tim Stanley, says that by provoking Russia into a direct confrontation we look foolish and weak.

The ideological cold war was the subject of last week’s cover story, in which Owen Matthews argued that, as in tsarist days, Russia is setting itself up as the leader of reaction. But it is also the case that the liberal-Left in the West is using Russian conservatism as the enemy by which it defines itself.

And I wonder what the replacement of Islam with Russian reaction as the antithesis of western values will do for western conservatives, and whether it will give the liberal-Left a chance to present them as the enemies of ‘our way of life’, as defined by the liberal-Left. This Daily Beast piece gives some idea of the shape of things to come.

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English and American conservatism are very different to Russia’s variety, which is historically authoritarian and statist. Burkean conservatism is based on limited power, the little platoons and the maintenance of social and moral capital, as well as civic virtue. What would Edmund Burke do? He wouldn’t have approved of Cossacks whipping women, I’m sure.

Without civic and moral virtue countries remain weak and corrupt, and whoever gets in power tends to rob everyone else. (And judging by the Ukrainian presidential palace, ‘Republican virtue’ does not have an exact translation in any of that country’s languages.)

This is why simply exporting democracy to countries without these strengths, which take many, many years if not centuries to build and require a strong sense of nationhood, only leads to ethnic conflict and corruption. And yet that is American foreign policy.

The epitome of the high social and moral capital society was the America of the middle 20th century, defined by a large middle-class, stable democracy and low inequality and corruption levels; unsurprisingly, democracy worked very well during America’s paleoconservative golden age.

Since then the country’s moral capital has been declining at a steady rate; levels of trust have fallen through the floor, the country’s political system is extremely divided, wealth inequality is exceptionally high, and people vote along heavily racial lines, a very unhealthy sign in a democracy. Since the 1960s America has become a ‘proposition nation’, and it’s curious, looking at the recent Coca-Cola advert, that the United States is now the superpower defined by a utopian ideology.

Unless one also counts the European Union as a superpower, which as the people of the Ukraine have learned these past few weeks, it plainly isn’t. Maybe the new Northern Alliance, as described by Fraser in the magazine this week, will change that.

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  • Unenlightened_Commentary

    Putin is a two bit gangster who should be shown no respect.

    Anyone who claims to be a conservative but endorses a KGB man who has shut down his country’s independent media, jailed opponents and murdered people (including in one case in the UK) is frankly a moron- they are the spiritual descendents of Walter Duranty.

    • serialluncher

      I wonder if these online nutjobs who claim to be “real conservatives” know they were supporting a communist backed regime.

  • Makroon

    Has Obama had a rethink on the “turn to the Pacific” strategy, or are the neo-Cons in the Pentagon refusing to obey orders ?

  • BarkingAtTreehuggers

    Now look here everybody, isn’t it droll.
    I declare the European (Political) Boxing Championship open!

    In the left corner we have the Klitschko pro-EU types. Never have they been stronger, never have they had more support from a larger pool of nations, the economies are growing, the Eurozone is an impressive success.
    $20-40bn trade surplus pa – what’s not to like? All is well, the money’s coming in, that’s all that matters right? Balance sheet politics, bottom line success.

    In the right corner, the UKIP/Tea Party climate denier loons, loving the way the United States of America works but dreading the thought of a United States of Europe — Why? Because they just love being a Hague poodle, they love it, honestly. And in that context it is of course crystal clear they would adore Putin too, because the enemy is the United States…. of Europe.

    How odd but that is exactly what is going on. A Tea Party/Putin coalition of hearts and minds (!) doing anything to prevent the inevitable political and economic success story that is the European Integration Project. Too bad Farage and his Tea Party fruitcakes have no notable experience in any arena whatsoever… Bless.

    It’ll all end in Round 2014 then. After a May debacle, independence looms in September.

  • colliemum

    Ed West writes that Putin is a reactionary autocrat – oh shudder! We can’t of course have anything to do with him, far better that we support the Ukrainian neo-nazis who are governing the Maidan now.
    If we base our foreign policies on descriptions straight out of a socialist propaganda book, then why do we do business and support the KSA, the UAE, Qatar – all extremely enlightened, liberal countries, right?
    And the way we’re governed nannied from Brussels is in no way autocratic, because the Eurocrats are all elected … oh, wait …!

    It is coming to something when the Chinese warn the West and especially the Western media not to fall back into thinking and writing in terms of the Cold War.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      Putin retaining Sevastopol is the least reactionary geostrategic move I could possibly think of. Only the most muppetish of muppets would deem it thus.

      • colliemum

        Yep, muppets like Stephen Fry …
        😉

        • Chris Bond

          I’m just about sick of hear that muppets voice.

          • BarkingAtTreehuggers

            What, that Pope hater? You are right, he must be opposed.

            • the viceroy’s gin

              …but not by socialist nutters like you, for sure.

  • Pootles

    How about us not falling back into the zero sum game of blaming Russia? It’s up to the Russians to decide if they want to stay on the Putin path. And, given the bigger, geo-political forces at play now and certainly in the future (think China, Islam, and perhaps even India, though one would hope not), we in western Europe will probably need some form of alliance with Russia in the future.

  • Baron

    A reactionary autocrat in Russia elected on two thirds of the popular vote, a democratic conservative over here mustering merely over a third (against an opposition that almost broke the country).

    You sure, Ed, you know what you’re talking about?

    • the viceroy’s gin

      You should go find a short length of stout oak and burn that post into it, and go apply it appropriately to the guy’s skull, and see if you can get it to sink in. That may be your only hope of getting through.

    • Chris Bond

      I must correct you – mustering only a third of the vote by promising democracy in the form of a referendum (which he has not done), and then needing to ally with a Liberal party, that people only voted for in protest, to form a government to implement policies no one asked for or wants at the behest of the EU. Which we did not vote for.
      Feel the democracy. Feel it coursing through your body.

      • Baron

        Good point, Chris, Baron stands corrected.

  • Grey Wolf

    ‘Reactionary’ is not a bad word. Get that out of your effing head!!!.

  • the viceroy’s gin

    It’s a confused, jumbled collection of spasmodic ramblings you’ve assembled here, lad. You may have a point somewhere, underneath all your rhetorical stealth cladding, but you don’t appear all that interested in making it, so no sense any of us trying to make it for you.

    One bit of your gibberish did catch my eye, though:

    “But it is also the case that the liberal-Left in the West is…”

    .

    I am not aware of the existence of any “liberal-Left in the West”. These days, on the Left, there are only authoritarian socialists, and liberal is about the very last thing you could call them. Perhaps if you looked into that a bit, it might help you unconfuse yourself.

    • Smithersjones2013

      It’s a confused, jumbled collection of spasmodic ramblings you’ve assembled here, lad.

      So West has maintained his usual quality of output has he?

    • Chris Bond

      If the author thinks I will be conscripted for fighting for this shower of “multicultural and diverse” sh*t we call “modern” Britain as part of a “northern alliance” against Russia – then he has another thing coming.
      Our “liberal” government has spent the past 15+ year taking one long excruciating dump on the British people. The social contract has been well and truly wiped on the ar*e of the “liberal” establishment.
      And it’s not “paelo-conservtive” it’s conservative. Only a soft headed mong would buy this new leftist smear. The real palaeolithics are the “liberals” with their relativism which seeks to take use back morally to before morals where devised.

      • Raw England

        Excellently put.

    • BarkingAtTreehuggers

      The ‘liberal-Left’ is an Americanism, pal – just like the ‘God-fearing patriot’ nonsense in other threads. It is designed to push the Tea Party fruitcake coalition to the sideline, like the Delingpole denier who now resides in obscure and ignored Reactionaryland. It’s over, Mr viceroy — you lose!

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …have you consulted with your better half on all that gibberish, lad?

        • BarkingAtTreehuggers

          You lose pal, Tea Party fruitcakery loses (!)

          Now, did you read the Green Gove pamphlet or not? 😉

          • the viceroy’s gin

            …was your better half out to lunch then?

            • BarkingAtTreehuggers

              Uhh, Geoffrey Lean is one of the illuminati, James Denialingpole must be fuming like a Chinese coal fired power station! HAHAHA!

              (the full pamphlet here:
              Conservative Environment Network, pdf)
              https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36598516/CEN/CEN%20Responsibility%20%26%20Resilience_Feb%202014.pdf

              • the viceroy’s gin

                …wait, did you actually think anybody was going to click on one of your socialist nutter links, lad? Ain’t happening, with either you or your other cyber self.

                • BarkingAtTreehuggers

                  It doesn’t matter one bit whether you click on the Green Gove pamphlet or not – we all know which side you’re on… the losing side.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …and we all know which side you and your better cyber face are on… the socialist nutter side.

                • BarkingAtTreehuggers

                  It doesn’t matter what you believe Mr viceroy.
                  Merkel delivered the message, Gove delivered the future. You choose to ignore it and lose. That’s all that matters here, pal.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …yes, but has your alter ego approved that bit of socialist nuttery, lad?

                • BarkingAtTreehuggers

                  ¿Qué?
                  All that matters is that you fruitcake deniers will lose, pal.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, it matters whether your cyber clone is down with your latest socialist nuttery, lad. You better check in.

                • Cyril Sneer

                  Winning & losing. Black & White. Rich & Poor.

                  Simple politics for simple people, that’s you.

    • CraigStrachan

      Yes, I’ve long thought Statist/Libertarian was a more relevant division than Right/Left.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        Not sure how you connect that ramble to my post, but whatever.

        But I’d definitely put you over on the statist/authoritarian/Left portion of the universe, lad.

        • CraigStrachan

          I don’t think Left/Right are very helpful designations, but I’d definitely put you down as a statist, big-government guy.

          I have a question for you: how can there be liberty without a right to privacy?

          • the viceroy’s gin

            No, I’m not a statist, big government guy. But those who seek to kill the innocent are that, but definition.

            You’re asking questions about abstractions, lad. You’re not a libertarian, obviously, but if you were you’d recognize that as a waste of time.

            • CraigStrachan

              The right to privacy is hardly an abstraction, if we want to keep big government out of our bedrooms, uteruses and email accounts. Can’t have liberty without it, in fact.

              • the viceroy’s gin

                As I say, if you were a libertarian, you’d understand that your abstractions merely waste time.

                By the way, illegal searches are illegal searches, and you seem to be confusing them with your abstractions. Again, a libertarian would understand this distinction as a matter of course. An authoritarian wouldn’t.

                And fyi, we can’t have liberty as long as authoritarian abortion nuts seek to destroy the ultimate liberty, human life. .

                • CraigStrachan

                  As a practical matter, illegal searches are only illegal searches if a court says so, and disallows any “evidence” so recovered. But, yes, the constitution does guarantee the right of citizens to be secure in their persons and property from unreasonable search and seizure.

                  I’d say a government-mandated, invasive and unecessary medical procedure such as a transvaginal ultrasound violates the rights of a woman to be secure in her person, wouldn’t you?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  You’re back to your select few deciding what represents freedom and liberty, which is classic thinking from non-libertarian authoritarians. They don’t decide what are my rights, lad. I have my rights, and it’s only a matter of whether you authoritarians succeed in destroying them, as you do with your abortion nuttery.

                  No need to set up hypotheticals, lad, and abstractions and questions based upon your hypotheticals. You’re confusing legitimate rights with abstractions, and no need flitting hither and yon again, as is your wont apparently. It’s simpler and better not to do so, as you’d understand if you were a libertarian.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Yes, you have your rights, among them the right to an abortion if you so chose. (And if you’re a woman, I guess.)
                  However, your rights don’t include deciding how other people exercise their lawful, constitutional rights. There are some things that are none of your business, and that you just can’t change. You’ll probably be a happier person when you accept that.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, lad, there is no “right” to that, much as you abortion nuts think there is. You’re correct though, you abortion nuts’ rights don’t include you deciding that innocent human life is to be destroyed at your whim. You are not permitted to destroy others’ right to life, and the Constitution says so, unlike your wittering about what it says.

                  I think you authoritarians will always be happiest when you can kill at will. That seems to be the historical pattern, and you abortion nuts prove that out today, obviously.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Do you reject the United States Constitution in its entirety, or just the authority of the Supreme Court to settle conflicts of laws and rights?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Unlike you authoritarian abortion nuts, we libertarians embrace the US Constitution, lad.

                  We also recognize that you authoritarians have always sought to kill, just as your soulmate Mengele.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Good, then you’ll know what Article III is about?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  You really should cease distractions and obfuscations, lad. This isn’t 20 questions. It’s about you authoritarian abortion nuts’ killing zealotry.

                • CraigStrachan

                  The US constitution is a distraction to you?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  As mentioned, lad, you really should cease distractions and obfuscations, and declarative assertions. It’s cheap and useless. But to be expected, from a non-libertarian.

                • CraigStrachan

                  How is the US constitution a distraction, cheap or useless??

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  You tell us, lad, you’re the authoritarian rejecting it.

                • CraigStrachan

                  I fully embrace the constitution and amendments, and accept and abide by constitutional law as expressed in Supreme Court precedent, even in decisions I happen to disagree with.

                  Too bad you can’t say the same.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, you don’t embrace the Constitution, because you actively support the destruction of life, and the most fundamental purpose of the Constitution of which is to protect life. This isn’t surprising, as you authoritarians are always interest in killing, as we know historically.

                • CraigStrachan

                  How does the constitutionality of the death penalty square with your view of the most fundamental purpose of the constitution to protect life?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, no need to keep inventing new distractions, lad. It keeps us from what we’ve set off to do here, which is to discuss you abortion nuts.

                  You reject the Constitution, simply because it prohibits the rampant killing that you authoritarians historically relish.

                • CraigStrachan

                  The constitution clearly doesn’t prohibit killing, as the US is one of world’s biggest executioners, behind China and Iran. An uncomfortable fact, but a fact.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Cease the distractions, lad.

                  The Constitution protects life, but you authoritarian abortion nuts despise the Constitution, because you despise freedom and liberty, and you want to kill, just as you authoritarian types have always wanted throughout history.

                • CraigStrachan

                  If the constitution protects life, why is there a federal death penalty? Why is there a death penalty in many states?

                  I’m thinking the constitution doesn’t really do what you think it does.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Again, cease the distractions, lad. They take you nowhere. They’re cheap and useless.

                  And unsurprisingly, you assert that the Constitution doesn’t protect life, as a first right. That’s common enough for you authoritarian statists, as we know. You despise the Constitution, and seek to destroy freedom and liberty, and seek to kill, as you abortion nuts prove .

                • CraigStrachan

                  I don’t assert that the constitution doesn’t protect life, I state as a matter of fact that it doesn’t, given that the use of the death penalty in the US has been upheld as constitutional.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Of course the Constitution protects life. You authoritarian abortion nuts don’t want it to do so, of course, but it does. Your distractive example was reviewed by the Founders, lad, and they didn’t agree with your characterization, but then they were out to protect freedom and liberty and life, and you authoritarians are out to destroy same.

                • CraigStrachan

                  The founders didn’t agree with the death penaty? Interesting. What are you basing that on?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  That’s not what I said, so you can put away this distraction as well, lad.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Well, what you said was my “distractive example was reviewed by th Founders” and “they didn’t agree with it”.

                  My example was the use of the death penalty in the U.S.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, what you said was that the Constitution doesn’t protect life. Perhaps you should scroll up and read your own posts, before misrepresenting them.

                • CraigStrachan

                  How does the fact that the death penalty has been found constitutional, and is used with shameful frequency in the US, square with your assertion that the constitution protetcs life?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  It really doesn’t matter what you authoritarians say has been “found”, lad, so I’ll just repeat what I posted above:

                  Of course the Constitution protects life. You authoritarian abortion nuts don’t want it to do so, of course, but it does. Your distractive example was reviewed by the Founders, lad, and they didn’t agree with your characterization, but then they were out to protect freedom and liberty and life, and you authoritarians are out to destroy same.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Of course it matters that it has been found constitutional – especially if you’re on death row!

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Again, it doesn’t matter what you authoritarian statists fantasize has been “found”, lad. It only matters that you’re an authoritarian, and you despise the Constitution, you seek to destroy freedom and liberty, and you want to kill, as all you types have done historically.

                • CraigStrachan

                  It also matters if you’re on death row, and attempting an appeal on constitutional grounds.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Again, it doesn’t matter what you authoritarians fantasize, lad.

                  It does matter that you authoritarians despise the Constitution, as mentioned, and seek to destroy freedom and liberty accordingly.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Ah, I see you omitted “life” from your most recent list of constitutional rights. You’re catching on, finally.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  You’re confused again, lad. Your ignorance is again demonstrated, if you don’t recognize right to life as an essential liberty. The Founders certainly did.

                • CraigStrachan

                  It’s not what I recognize, it’s what the constitution protects. Not life, clearly.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Yes, it does protect freedom and liberty, life being part of those, as the Founders intended. As mentioned, you authoritarian statists despise the Constitution, for that and other reasons.

                • CraigStrachan

                  So what about that pesky death penalty?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …as mentioned multiple times, suggest you consult the Founders for proper analysis of your mischaracterizations, lad.

                • CraigStrachan

                  You mean the likes of Alexander Hamilton?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  I mean what I said, lad.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Not Hamilton, then?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Again, I mean what I said, lad.

                • CraigStrachan

                  So…Hamilton?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …not really sure what you’re jabbering about now, lad.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Yes, you do seem to have lost the plot.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …well, we know historically what you authoritarians do with people you decide have lost the plot, don’t we?

                • CraigStrachan

                  Do we?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Yes, we do. Your mate Mengele showed us back then, and you abortion nuts are doing it again today.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Doing what?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …what you, Mengele and the rest of the statist authoritarians always do.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Mengele was pro-choice?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …like all you authoritarians, he sought to destroy freedom and liberty and human life.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Is that a yes?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Yes, you and Mengele are prime examples of statist authoritarians, who always seek to destroy freedom, liberty and human life.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Does that apply to everybody who is pro-choice?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  It applies to you and Mengele, prime examples of statist authoritarians, who always seek to destroy freedom and liberty and human life.

                • CraigStrachan

                  What about everybody else who is pro-choice? All Mengeles, too?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Again, spare us your distractions, lad. As ever, it applies to you and Mengele, statist authoritarians who seek to destroy freedom and liberty and human life .

                • CraigStrachan

                  You’re certainly free to choose to look at it that way. Other make their own choices. It’s cool.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, lad, contrary to you statist authoritarians’ preferences, you types are not allowed the “choice” to destroy human life.

                • CraigStrachan

                  True, I’m a guy. The choice belongs properly and solely to the woman.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, lad, contrary to you statist authoritarians’ preferences, you types are not allowed to choose to destroy human life. Yes that pains you types, as you love to kill, but it’s the way it is.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Like I say, the choice belongs to the woman, as it should. Neither you or I have any say in the matter, happily.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, lad, contrary to you statist authoritarians’ preferences, you types aren’t granted the right to slaughter innocent life.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Indeed, a woman’s right to choose is inherent, and can’t be either granted or denied. Ain’t freedom grand?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, lad, contrary to your delusions, you authoritarians aren’t allowed the inherent right to kill. That pains you types, as we know historically, but no, you don’t have the right to kill.

                • CraigStrachan

                  You choose to see it that way. Others choose differently.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, lad, contrary to your delusions, you authoritarians can’t “see” your way to slaughtering the innocent, much as you historically prefer that slaughter, as we know.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Well, you make your own choices, but – fortunately – you don’t get to decide for others. Frustrating for you, I can tell.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, lad, contrary to your authoritarian delusions, you don’t get to decide to slaughter others, painful as that is for you and the rest of the Mengele types.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Indeed I don’t. Such a personal, painful decision can only be taken by the woman.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, lad, contrary to your delusions, you authoritarians are not allowed to slaughter the innocent. Sorry. Destroying human life isn’t permissible, sad as that might be for you.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Like I say, it’s the woman’s choice, not mine. Or yours.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, lad, contrary to your delusions, you authoritarians are not allowed to mass kill innocent human life. Sorry.

                • CraigStrachan

                  These decisions are taken on an individual, never a mass, basis.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, lad, you authoritarian murderers aren’t permitted to kill, it’s just that simple. It’s wrong. Much as you Mengele types detest that truth, it is so.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Of course not. It’s all up to the woman, who needs no “permission” from you, me or anybody.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, lad, you authoritarian mass murderers are never permitted to kill innocent life. Sorry.

                • CraigStrachan

                  A woman who exercises her right to choose is an authoritarian mass murderer?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Authoritarian mass murderers who slaughter the innocent are authoritarian mass murderers, like you and Mengele, for example.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Like Mengele & me (sounds like it could be a number from The Producers) but not like a woman who exercises her right to choose, right?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Yes, like Mengele and you, statist authoritarians who relish slaughtering the innocent en masse, in addition to destroying freedom and liberty in general.

                • CraigStrachan

                  And the woman?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …as we know historically, you statists authoritarians relish slaughtering the innocent en masse, of any gender, lad, in addition to destroying freedom and liberty in general. .

                • CraigStrachan

                  The woman?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …as we know historically, you authoritarians aren’t fussy as to who you slaughter, lad.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Woman?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …as we know historically, you statist authoritarians like to slaughter all, lad.

                • CraigStrachan

                  ?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …no question about that, as we know historically.

                • CraigStrachan

                  !

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …you’re excited about it, even.

                • CraigStrachan

                  ?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …but still troubled, perhaps? Authoritarians often are. Liquidating human life will do that.

                • CraigStrachan

                  !

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …generally, you types snap out of it quick though. Extinguishing more life, hair of the dog style, sorta snaps you out of your funk.

                • CraigStrachan

                  ??

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …yes, that’s confusing and brings up multiple questions, but such is the way, for you authoritarians.

                • CraigStrachan

                  xO

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …and it often brings up strange reactions, indecipherable reactions, does your zeal for liquidating life.

                • CraigStrachan

                  xO xO xO!

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …and they get even more prolific as time goes on (much like you authoritarians’ body count, in fact).

                • CraigStrachan

                  ???

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …no, really, you authoritarians get more bizarre the more your liquidation of life waxes.

                • CraigStrachan

                  !

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …and obviously, you types find that exciting.

                • CraigStrachan

                  ??

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …and troubling, too. Your authoritarian murders tend to bring that on.

                • CraigStrachan

                  !

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …which you types enjoy.

                • CraigStrachan

                  ?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …yes, it’s questionable the way you enjoy that .

                • CraigStrachan

                  !

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …but you authoritarians always seem to zealously return to that slaughter, as we know historically.

                • CraigStrachan

                  ?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …yes, we’re all as puzzled about your zeal for murder as you are, lad.

                • CraigStrachan

                  !

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …what… did you whack another untermensch, lad?

                • CraigStrachan

                  ?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …you know, an untermensch, those people you authoritarians are so anxious to liquidate.

                • CraigStrachan

                  !

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …I know, I know, it’s exciting for you to be murdering the untermensch.

                • CraigStrachan

                  ?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …the untermensch, lad, those people you authoritarians want to kill.

                • CraigStrachan

                  !

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Yes, I know, killing the untermensch is exciting for you types.

                • CraigStrachan

                  ?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …the untermensch, lad. Those people you slaughter.

                • CraigStrachan

                  !

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …yes, I know you’re thrilled to be back at the slaughter again.

                • CraigStrachan

                  ?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …you know, the slaughter of innocent lives.

                • CraigStrachan

                  !

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …I knew you’d be geeked up over a good slaughter.

                • CraigStrachan

                  ?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  You know, a slaughter of the innocents, as you types historically relish.

                • CraigStrachan

                  !

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Yes! Yes! You get to slaughter innocent life again!

                • CraigStrachan

                  ?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Apparently, it’s not for you authoritarians… as you simply ignore it.

    • mikewaller

      You always manage to shock me by the sheer narrowness of your vision. If you really think that Western democracy is in no way superior to what Mr Putin has to offer, why not give us all a break and spend a couple of years out there. I would be very interested to see what would happen first: you trimming your sails further to please your host or the local thugs beating several shads of ordure out of you.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        It’s amusing that you fantasize up a post, and then fantasize an outcome of your fantasy.

        You’re a buffoon, lad. Stop embarrassing yourself.

  • zanzamander

    Putin is hear today, gone tomorrow. But what many of us “paleoconservatives” cannot stand is the singling out of Putin as the bogey man for all the ills of this world.

    We in the West are nothing but hypocrites, goading Putin at every opportunity, pushing him into a corner, still fighting the old Cold War while saying nothing, even encouraging another far deadlier reactionary force that is not only going nowhere.

    Everything that you accuse Putin of is multiplied a thousand times in China and the Islamic world, yet the lefty liberals do not utter a single damnable word against their evils. Just like how the “useful idiots” of old were taken for a ride by the Communist Soviet Union, so are their modern day version being used by Islamists.

    US of today is arming and equipping Islamists reactionaries aimed at upending the world order and is sponsoring a host of puppet regimes implacably hostile to the West.

    If the liberals, the progressive were true to their word, they’d fight against nearly all of Islam’s precepts tooth and nail. But instead, they’re too busy fighting Putin. It is the US duplicity, the hypocrisy, that sticks in the crow.

    From Afghanistan of 1980s to Ukraine of today via Syria, we are fighting proxy wars with Russia sponsoring one form of fascist and another. It is like we will go to bed with anyone as long as we can kick the Russians in the teeth.

  • CraigStrachan

    American conservatism is pretty authoriarian and statist – especially the abortion nuts.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      Yes, the abortion nuts do enjoy killing the unborn, don’t they?

      • CraigStrachan

        No, but they do seem inordinately fond of vaginal probes.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          No, that’s incorrect. The abortion nuts do enjoy killing the unborn, millions of them. You can look it up.

          • CraigStrachan

            It’s what they want to look up that worries me.

            Still, their statist, authoritarian forced ultrasound nonsense probably cost Cuccinelli the VA governorship, so it’s not all bad!!

            • the viceroy’s gin

              Yes, the killing of the unborn in their millions likely doesn’t bother you. That’s the surest sign of an abortion nut.

              • CraigStrachan

                Seems to me the abortion nuts are the type of folks who complain about Michelle Obama’s healthy-eating campaign as an unwarranted intrusion on personal liberty, but seem quite happy for the government to be in the business of mandating vaginal probes.

                In fact they’re worse than nuts, they’re inconsistent. Unlike myself. I want people to be able to freely access abortions and cheeseburgers..

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, the abortion nuts are those who relish the slaughter of the unborn, in their millions.

                • CraigStrachan

                  I relish the occasional cheeseburger. Other people’s choices about their own bodies and fertility are none of my business

                • Hexhamgeezer

                  A cheeseburger or not/an abortion or not.

                  I bet Mengele had the same value system.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Godwin’s Law. You lose.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …and abortion nuts always seek to terminate the argument, in any way possible. They like terminating things, apparently.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Oh, our argument isn’t terminated. It wasn’t you who brought up Mengele, after all.

                  We can keep going, long as you like.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Good. Then you can go ahead and distinguish between your abortion nut value system, and Mengele’s, which the other guy implied as equivalents.

                  And yes, I know you abortion nuts want to keep going, and killing.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Well, I suppose Mengele was an authoritarian statist, par excellence, who carried out medically-uneccessary procedures on patients who had not given their consent. Bit like those mandatory vaginal probes so beloved of abortion nuts in the States.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, his murders are similar to what you abortion nuts favor everywhere else today. You want to kill, same as him, thus the parallel drawn by the other poster.

                • Hexhamgeezer

                  No. My comment is entirely appropriate with your reduction to and comparison of an abortion to that of a cheeseburger.

                  Typing ‘Godwin’s Law’ is just a collection of pixels, or, as you would a have it, an abortion.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Except you abortion nuts do choose to kill the unborn, meaning your statements are false.

                • CraigStrachan

                  I’ve never chosen to kill anyone, born or unborn. But that’s me, and others may choose otherwise.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, you can’t choose to kill life. That’s murder, whether by you or others.

                  It’s also wrong to urge and facilitate others to do murder, as you abortion nuts do.

                • CraigStrachan

                  That’s your personal opinion, but it’s not the law. I’m content for you to exercise your right to freedom of speech, as I am content for others to exercise their right to privacy without regard for your views.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Yes, you abortion nuts favor murdering the unborn, and you seek law to support your practice.

                  Murder isn’t privacy, lad. When you slaughter the unborn, it’s just murder.

                  Oh and it doesn’t matter whether you’re “content” about my freedom of speech. I claim it, and I’ll make sure you don’t deny it. Unfortunately, you abortion nuts take advantage of the vulnerable, and don’t just destroy their simple rights, you destroy their life.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Indeed, a personal right is a personal right, whether it be to speech or to privacy, whether anyone else is content about it or not. And you can rest assured that, as a Libertarian, I would no more seek to deny your right to speech than you would seek to deny another the right to privacy. Right?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, you can assure me of nothing more than that you are an abortion nut, and the fact that you’re speaking of your “content” about my freedom of speech is surest sign that you’re not a libertarian. You may be a Libertarian, but as we know that’s just a group of numpties.

                  You actively seek to slaughter the vulnerable unborn. No sense in you dodging that fact. Just acknowledge it. You commit the ultimate theft of freedom and liberty… you extinguish life. You should cease your posing, lad .

                • CraigStrachan

                  No, I can assure that I have no desire to interfere with your right to speech. More, I have no means to do so, and I don’t regret that in the least. You, however, appear to have the. desire to interfere with the privacy rights of others, and over their most intimately personal decisions. But you have no means to do so, and that seems to make you quite fretful and frustrated. You need to relax, learn to mind your business, and stop worrying about other people’s choices, which you cannot take away from them in any event.

                  And if Libertarians are numpties, they’re numpties that kept statist Republican Ken Cuccinelli out of office in VA. Them’s my kind of numpties!!

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Well, that’s what you say, but as you’re so willing to lead cheers for the slaughter of the innocent unborn, who knows what you’re capable of? Destroying free speech would seem just a piffle for you.

                  No, I don’t have the desire to interfere with anybody’s rights, lad, unlike you. You’re simply inventing that statement. However, you do choose to interfere with the right to life, as we know, and as you admit, in slaughtering the innocent unborn.

                  I get it that you wish people to relax and accept that you abortion nuts seek to slaughter the innocent. That’s how Mengele wanted it, too. But unfortunately for your morbid plans, there are people who value the right to life, unlike you abortion nuts. We will fight for the right to life. They get it, and it’s not to be taken away by you authoritarian abortion nuts.

                  Actually, if you check, you’ll find that that Virginia guy was kept out of office by the previous guy’s criminal corruption, and not the Libertarian numpties, who we libertarians scorn. But I’m not surprised that you’d lead cheers for the numpties. What’s amusing is the crook they elected there. I had to smile watching that mess. No doubt you abortion nuts smiled as well, as your morbid fantasies were fostered.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Well, I’m glad that you have no desire to interfere with anybody’s rights. And, of course, the right to an abortion is an established constitutional right in the U.S. If that’s a right you wish to strip away, despite your protestations to the contrary, you are free to make that case. I must say. however, that I haven’t found you very persuasive so far.

                  On Virgina, I think you’ll find the Libertarian candidate won around 145,000 votes. The statist, socially-regressive Republican lost by around 40,000. Love that!

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, there is no such thing as a “right to an abortion”, nor the right to slaughter the innocent unborn and steal their right to life, other than as delusions existing in the minds of you abortion nuts.

                  And there is no “constitutional right” to it, either, lad. Another sure sign that you’re not libertarian, is your delusional claim to the contrary. You are truly an authoritarian.

                  And again, not really concerned with the Libertarian numpties anywhere, similar to most of we libertarians. But it seems you authoritarian abortion nuts are happy the unborn can be more readily slaughtered there, so there’s that.

                • CraigStrachan

                  The Supreme Court doesn’t seem to agree with you on the right to an abortion. And in the U.S. constitutional system, they get to decide these matters and you don’t. Sorry about that!

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Actually, if you notice, the SC has been stepping away these past 40 years from that life stealing decision. And one of your ghoulish murdering abortion nut heroes was jailed in Philadelphia recently. There will be more. Murder will out, as they say.

                  You don’t understand the US constitutional system, apparently. But most authoritarian abortion nuts don’t, I find. LIke most authoritarians, they seem to like the few deciding matters, on their own, divorced from all precepts of freedom and liberty, and so naturally these abortion nuts gravitate to the SC . That’s how the innocent get slaughtered, as we know historically. You authoritarians generally seek to capitalize on a few people and institutions, and foist your thefts of freedom and liberty onto the many, including the theft of life itself.

                  Like Mengele, as previously mentioned. He thought that way, too.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Yes, as a large-and-small “l” libertarian I am quite comfortable with the notion of recourse to the courts to establish and defend the constitutional rights of individuals. Too often, majorities have tended to ride rough-shod over individual rights, and the rights of minorities. Constitutional rights are inherent and inalienable, and are not contingent on approval by “the many”.

                  And, no, I haven’t noticed the Supreme Court rowing back on Roe in any material way. I did, however, see Chief Justice Roberts describe it as “settled law” during his confirmation hearing. I liked that!

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Well, again, you may be a Libertarian, but you’ve certainly proven yourself as anything but libertarian. I’d venture a guess and say that you’re a pure socialist authoritarian. I’d have to see a bit more, but you fit the type.

                  Courts do not “establish and defend” constitutional rights, lad, and if you were a libertarian you’d well know that. Your confusion on these simple matters explains much of your other confusion. Rights exist, and don’t need you and yours. They merely exist, and constitutions merely write them down. You’ll notice that you and your few black robed zealots aren’t any part of that process. You’d have long ago noticed it if you were a libertarian.

                  Yes, the constitution exists to keep you authoritarians and your rousted democratic “majorities” from carrying out such as the slaughter of innocents, as you abortion nuts cherish so. What you don’t seem to understand is that “rights” aren’t set by you authoritarians, nor your preferred model of a select few deciding. They merely exist, and the right to life is one of those. It exists, even if you authoritarians periodically find success in killing those you seek to kill.

                  You see? Rights merely exist. They’re not subject to you authoritarians. I don’t need you to tell me I have freedom of speech, contrary to your above confusions. I have that right. I was born with it. In fact, it doesn’t even need to be in a constitution, other than to drive off you authoritarians who would seek to destroy that right, much as you abortion nuts seek to destroy the established right to life.

                  Yes, I wouldn’t be surprised that you haven’t noticed how the SC and the country is eroding the abortion nuts favorite life destroying decision. I did assume I was speaking to a poorly informed and educated authoritarian, afterall.

                  Your abortion nut buddy in Philadelphia certainly noticed, lad. When that cell door clanged shut behind him, for his outright murder of innocents, he got it, unlike you apparently.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Oh, but myself and the black robes are part of the process – written into the constitution, in fact. Me as a citizen of the United States and the state where I reside, under the 14th amendment, and the black robes under Article lll, establishing the judiciary.

                  And can you really imagine no circumstances in which you might need recourse to the courts in order to defend your freedom of speech rights? I certainly can. (Hint: abortion nuts protesting outside clinics have frequently taken such recourse, with mixed results. And many people of my acquaintance in the liberty movement have made free speech claims to defend their actions in holding public officials to account, actions such as videotaping and questioning cops during traffic stops, walking ahead of parking enforcers and feeding expired meters, paying property taxes in person and on pennies etc)

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Oh no, lad, there is no process in the Consitution for you abortion nuts to destroy life. You’re quite mistaken. But then, you authoritarians often are.

                  I can imagine many things, lad, but now you’re veering away from your previous absurd assertions, and let’s not fllt hither and yon, shall we? Your statements were ignorant, they got shot down, and you should acknowledge that before you flit to your next authoritarian apologia.

                  Let’s stick to you authoritarians using the select few and select institutions to destroy rights and destroy life.

                • CraigStrachan

                  The right to privacy is hardly abstract. It’s the major right we assert in trying to keep government out of our uteruses, bedrooms and email accounts. Not always successfully.

                  But it’s pretty clear you don’t believe in privacy rights. You must have a whole lot more faith in the benignity of big government then I do.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, and again, your lack of libertarian understanding seems to have risen up again, with the pushing of your abstractions. Illegal searches are illegal, lad. You shouldn’t confuse them with your abstractions.

                  You seem to have plenty of faith in big government, lad. You use it to destroy human life, like all authoritarians do, as we know historically. Mengele for example, as previously mentioned. One of your kind just got thrown into jail in Philadelphia, fyi… a ghoulish abortion nut.

                • CraigStrachan

                  If by the use of big government to destroy life you mean engagement in miltarism or use of the death penalty, then no, those wouldn’t be something a Libertarian, generally speaking, would regard as legitimate uses of government. Republicans, however, mostly would.

                  And when it comes to very private and intimate choices about a woman’s fertility and health, those are best left between the woman and her doctor. Government should have no role to play.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Just as I stated, I mean big government as in the one you authoritarian abortion nuts use to destroy innocent life, similar to the process Mengele used. No need to distract or deflect or invent, lad. You’re the authoritarian seeking to use big government to kill.

                  It isn’t for you authoritarian abortion nuts to decide that certain types of slaughter are correct, that certain life is suitable for you authoritarians to murder it. Yes, that’s what you authoritarians have done throughout history, but no it’s not anything other than murder, and the ultimate stripping of human rights. You’d know that if you were a libertarian.

                • CraigStrachan

                  I’m curious where you imagine big government presently intrudes into the process of decision-making between a woman and her doctor over whether to exercise the very clear, lawful and constitutional right to have an abortion if she so chooses?

                  Personally, I am clear that government should have no role in such decisions. It would be every bit as wrong for government to seek to compel a woman to have an abortion as it would be for government to try to prevent it.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  We’re talking here about you authoritarian abortion nuts, lad. As mentioned, you really shouldn’t attempt to disguise or distract from that, with your continued questions, obfuscations, etc. And as we’ve established earlier, there is no “constitutional right” to what you’re jabbering about in that paragraph. None. Sorry. Oh, and nobody has a “right” to kill, lad.

                  Yes, you authoritarians are always clear that slaughtering the innocent is a welcome happenstance, as we know historically. And you seek ways and means to execute that scenario. You types never change, it seems.

                • CraigStrachan

                  We haven’t established whether there is a constitutional right to an abortion. The Supreme Court has done that. Neither of us had anything to do with it. All the preceeding verbiage between us boils down to this: you don’t like what they’ve decided, and I do.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Actually, we have established that there is no constitutional right you’ve made up, because we’ve read the document.

                  You’re right, neither of us had anything to do with it, the Founding Fathers did.

                  All the previous verbiage boils down to the same thing it always boils down to with you authoritarians… you seek to kill at your whim. So says your history.

                • CraigStrachan

                  If you’ve read the document(s) then you’ll have read Article III?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  You’re definitely not a libertarian. You waste time with foolishness, constantly.

                • CraigStrachan

                  What’s foolish about Article III of the constitution?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Yes, and libertarians read comprehensively, and don’t waste time with foolish and obtuse declarative nonsense.

                • CraigStrachan

                  What’s foolish or obtuse about Article III??

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  They also don’t fabricate assertively premised questions.

                  However, authoritarians, particularly abortion nuts, are past masters of such practices.

                • CraigStrachan

                  It seems your knowledge of the constitution, and perhaps also your adherence to it, is a little bit sketch.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Actually, your zeal for destroying life seems to indicate that you’re the one lacking knowledge of the Constitution, lad.

                  You authoritarians have always despised the Constitution, as we know, and seek ways to disregard and erode it.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Just as well that the Supreme Court keeps watch to ensure that it is not eroded, and instead ensures the rights it contemplates continue to evolve and expand to benefit successive generations, through landmark rulings such as Roe v Wade.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Yes, you authoritarians dream of your utopia, where the few decide for the many, and you types are allowed to kill at will.

                  That’s why you despise the Constitution, and seek to undermine and erode it.

                • CraigStrachan

                  I suspect it’s not me but the US Supreme Court that you think is undermining and eroding the constitution. I think they’ve been protecting rights and expanding liberty, fairly consistently, in the modern era, with Roe v Wade a fine example of that.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  You continue to be confused, lad. The SC does not “protect rights and expand liberty”, in fact they’ve pretty regularly worked to destroy liberty, in many high profile cases, including the ghoulishly bloody case you reference. But then, it’s not their constitutional job to do what you claim, as we know. Thus is our freedom and liberty destroyed, by such usurpation. But they do use you authoritarians’ drive to have the few determine societal affairs, despite the Founders warning that they shouldn’t be allowed to do so.

                  You see, our rights exist without you authoritarians, or any of your chosen few. They exist without a Constitution, in fact. That is, they exist unless you authoritarians destroy them, as you abortion nuts are doing, in your never ending authoritarian quest to kill, which is your historical as we knowl hallmark.

                • CraigStrachan

                  I feel we’re getting somewhere, at last, in teasing out your hostility to the US Supreme Court. I understand that you dislike certain rulings of the court, but it seems to me that you have finally allowed yourself to be drawn beyond that to deny the due authority of the court to make rulings in the first place.

                  In your view of the constitution, how are conflicts of rights and laws to be resolved, if not by the judiciary? What are the constitutional underpinnings of your alternative scheme?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, lad, the only hostility being expressed here is by you, the statist authoritarian, who despises the Constitution, as you seek to destroy freedom and liberty, and life.

                  As mentioned, the Founders made note of the drive you authoritarians would make to use institutions and the few to undermine freedom and liberty, using some fantasized “due authority”, and particularly that you’d attempt to use the courts’ fantasized “due authority” to enable your authoritarianism. We know historically that they were correct, and freedom and liberty and life have been savaged by your authoritarian actions, over the centuries.

                • CraigStrachan

                  And yet the founders established the judiciary and empowered it to do the very things you strenuously, if impotently, object to!

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  False, as mentioned multiple times. The Founders specifically warned that judges were a threat to what they intended, because you authoritarians would use their illegitimate and your fantasized “due authority” to destroy freedom adand liberty, and ultimately life, as you authoritarian statist abortion nuts desire.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Where did the founders warn that judges were a threat?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Apparently, you have some work to do. I suspected as much. You best get busy. I can help, and I have a tutorial fee schedule available, if you are as incapable of educating yourself as your question implies.

                • CraigStrachan

                  If you post your fee schedule, your qualifications, and some references as a tutor, I’ll be happy to take a look..

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  You’ll need to provide a retainer, in order to trigger the provision of that material. $5,000 should cover it.

                • CraigStrachan

                  My offer is 50 cents.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Fair enough, and good luck with your education process, lad. Again, from the looks of your knowledge base demonstrated here, you’re going to need it .

                • CraigStrachan

                  But then again, 50 cents will buy two gumballs…

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …but it’s unclear that your knowledge base would facilitate your use of them, lad.

                • CraigStrachan

                  I’ll proceed by trial and error. Remember, I’ll have two – one for each orifice.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Yes, as suspected, you’re unclear about the gumballs.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Maybe, but I’ve got them covered, one way or another.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, lad, you don’t really have much covered, obviously.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Well, if you’re now thinking of accepting the 50 cents, you’re too late. I am however in a position to offer you one slightly-used gumball for your tutoring services. Deal?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …and your reading comprehension is as lacking as your gumball knowledge.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Well, it seemed like a pretty fair deal to me.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …yes, many bizarre things seem acceptable to you authoritarians.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Well, I suppose the notion of you as tutor is fairly bizarre, but I didn’t say it was acceptable to me. I said I’d consider it.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  What’s truly bizarre is that you started off in this discussion fantasizing yourself as a “libertarian”.

                • CraigStrachan

                  No, I started the discussion by saying that American conservatism can be quite statist and authoriarian – especially the abortion nuts.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  And you statist authoritarians are the abortion nuts, as we know. And you also like to destroy freedom and liberty, and life.

                  And you also fantasize yourself as a “libertarian”. I had to chuckle about that, when I remembered your blathering of it.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Yes, us libertarians are pro-choice – on everything!

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, you’re an authoritarian statist abortion nut, and it’s amusing you fancy yourself “libertarian”.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Och, sure, libertarianism is all about choice. You should try it, sometime.

                  Freedom, baby, YEAH!

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Yes, but you authoritarians seek to destroy freedom and liberty, lad. You prove that being an abortion nut, yourself.

                • CraigStrachan

                  You think freedom is possible without choice?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Nothing is possible when you statist authoritarians destroy it, lad, especially when you abortion nuts destroy life.

                • CraigStrachan

                  But I don’t want to destroy choice, you do. I want to preserve and extend it, and things do seem to be going my way!

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Of course you want to destroy freedom and liberty and life, lad. That’s what you authoritarians always do. You kill.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Do you draw a distinction between freedom and liberty, or are you just using two words when one will do?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Again, best put away the distractions, lad. The subject is your zealotry for killing.

                • CraigStrachan

                  I say freedom to choose, you say zealotry for killing. You pays your money and you takes your choice. That word again. Soooo choice!

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Yes, you statist authoritarians always grab the chance to slaughter the innocent, as we know historically.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Well, that’s a point of view on a matter of choice!

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Actually, it’s a slaughter of the innocent, as you authoritarians have historically sought to do.

                • CraigStrachan

                  You choose to see it that way. That’s your choice. Other people will make different choices, see it differently, and that’s okay.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Actually, the sanctity of human life isn’t left up to you statist authoritarians to destroy, although you types have forever sought to destroy life anyway, as we know historically.

                • CraigStrachan

                  True, the choice belongs properly and soley to the woman, no one else.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Actually, as mentioned above, the sanctity of human life isn’t left up to you statist authoritarians to destroy, as we know you will seek to destroy that life, per the historical record.

                • CraigStrachan

                  True, it’s up to the woman.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, as mentioned above, the sanctity of human life isn’t left up to you statist authoritarians to destroy, as we know you will seek to destroy human life, as you and Mengele and the rest have historically demonstrated.

                • CraigStrachan

                  “Sanctity” sounds like a religious concept. I’m happily irreligious, so it cuts no ice with me. But if you’re religious, great. That’s your choice.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Yes, you authoritarian abortion nuts only recognize life as something to slaughter, as we know historically.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Oh, I celebrate life. In fact, I’m in the wine country right now, doing just that. Slan!

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Yes, you authoritarians enjoy dancing on the graves of those you slaughter, as we know historically.

                • CraigStrachan

                  Well, I did take a wander through the burial ground at Mission Santa Ines yesterday, but didn’t dance on any graves. I did notice a statue of “Father” Serra outside, which I though a bit insensitive, considering.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  I’m still getting a chuckle at your “libertarian” delusions, lad. That cracks me up, coming from a statist authoritarian.

                • CraigStrachan

                  I’m glad you’re getting a chuckle. I had you down as a bit humorless. I’ve been having a laugh throughout our exchange!

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, you authoritarians don’t laugh much. You’re serious about destroying freedom and liberty and life, as we know historically.

                • CraigStrachan

                  I laugh almost every time I read one of your posts.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, you authoritarians don’t laugh much, lad. Destroying freedom and liberty and human life is serious business for you.

                • CraigStrachan

                  LULZ!

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …and we can tell you aren’t laughing because you promiscuously litter your comments with exclamation marks.

                  It’s serious business for you authoritarians, destroying freedom and liberty and life.

                • CraigStrachan

                  !!!

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  I have found it quite amusing, your promiscuous use of those. It’s generally a sign of falsity.

                  Even Mengele knew he was doing wrong, you know. Many of you authoritarians killers are thus.

                • CraigStrachan

                  !!!!!!!!!!

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  As I recall, Mengele like those, too.

                • CraigStrachan

                  ?????

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …I doubt Mengele was big on question marks, however. He liked certainty, of mass murder and otherwise, like all you statist authoritarians.

                • CraigStrachan

                  +++?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Yes, you and Mengele would be big on addition symbols, as those seeking to add up a body count generally are, authoritarians that you are.

                • CraigStrachan

                  (?)

                  !!

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …yes, you statist authoritarians are often erratic, with punctuation and otherwise… part of the authoritarian syndrome perhaps.

                • CraigStrachan

                  !

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  There you go, Mengele would approve.

                • CraigStrachan

                  ?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …but again, he wouldn’t approve of his fellow authoritarian statist questioning matters, lad.

                • CraigStrachan

                  !

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …he’d be pleased with your authoritarian driven excitement though, lad.

                • CraigStrachan

                  ?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …but again, he’s not pleased with any expressed doubt.

                • CraigStrachan

                  !

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Much better. A mass murderer should be excited about his work.

                • CraigStrachan

                  ?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …yes, there is the question as to why you statist authoritarians always wind up slaughtering the innocent. Why is that, lad?

                • CraigStrachan

                  :o)

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …why would you authoritarian types always arrive at thinking that mass murder was the answer?

                • CraigStrachan

                  :o(

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …what you do is sad, yes .

                • CraigStrachan

                  !

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …as you seem to excitedly agree.

                • CraigStrachan

                  ??

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …yes, it is troubling, but it’s true that you excitedly agree with mass murder .

                • CraigStrachan

                  ?!

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …a prospect that troubles and excites you types, as we know.

                • CraigStrachan

                  ?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …yes, your crimes are troubling.

                • CraigStrachan

                  :o)

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …yes, you’re happy about those crimes, but nobody else is, assuredly.

                • CraigStrachan

                  !

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …and you’re excited about them as well, obviously .

                • CraigStrachan

                  ?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …and curious as to how many you’ve liquidated, no doubt.

                • CraigStrachan

                  !

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …but as long as you authoritarians are liquidating someone, you’re happy.

                • CraigStrachan

                  ?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …yes, we’re all puzzled about your behavior, lad.

                • CraigStrachan

                  !

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …another slammer? Have you just squeezed the life out of someone again?

                • CraigStrachan

                  ?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …you know, have you liquidated another innocent human life, like you authoritarians enjoy doing?

                • CraigStrachan

                  !

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …I guess we can take that as a yes.

                • CraigStrachan

                  ?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …you know, a yes, that you authoritarians enjoy liquidating innocent human life.

                • CraigStrachan

                  !

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …I knew talk of slaughtering the innocent would get you excited.

                • CraigStrachan

                  ?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …you know, the innocent, the ones you authoritarians like to slaughter.

                • CraigStrachan

                  !

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …you authoritarians enjoy your work, no doubt.

                • CraigStrachan

                  ?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …you know, massacring the innocent, your specialty.

                • CraigStrachan

                  !

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Yes, innocent life destroyed is exciting for you types.

                • CraigStrachan

                  ?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  You know, innocent life, which you enjoy slaughtering.

                • CraigStrachan

                  !

                • Hexhamgeezer

                  Are you content for me to exercise my right to a cheeseburger as well? Do your freedom loving convictions stretch that far?

                • CraigStrachan

                  Oh, sure. Chow down.

  • HookesLaw

    Tell you what Mr West – lets not bother shall we?
    Your argument is as full of holes as a colander.

  • ohforheavensake

    Reactionary and autocratic?

    Bit like Thatcher, then.

    • mandelson

      Did you send that from Broadcasting House?

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