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Tories and Labour both losing 8% of their female MPs

3 February 2014

12:51 PM

3 February 2014

12:51 PM

Another day, another female MP decides to quit politics. Ann Clwyd has announced that, after 30 years in the Commons, she will not be standing in 2015.

Female MPs have been in the news of late – either because they are retiring or fighting de-selection. On yesterday’s edition of the Andrew Marr Show, Harriet Harman said: ‘My concern is that we’re having a sort of cull of senior, authoritative women and they’re all being replaced by men’. She then went on to use this as evidence that the Tories have a ‘women problem’.

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The numbers, though, tell a slightly different story. There were 48 female Tory MPs in 2010. Lorraine Fulbrook, Jessica Lee and Laura Sandys have announced that they will not be seeking re-election. Add Louise Mensch, who stepped down in 2012 to spend more time with her Twitter account, to their number and the casualty rate stands at 8.3%. (Anne Mcintosh will be running again in 2015, even if her local party want someone else.) However, seven female Labour MPs have said that they will be off at the next election: Ann Clwyd, Dawn Primarolo, Tessa Jowell, Glenda Jackson, Joan Ruddock, Anne McGuire and Joan Walley. That’s a loss rate of 8.1%.

In other words the Tories and Labour are losing the same amount of women – 8% – proportionately. But when have the facts ever got in the way of a cracking wheeze?

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  • salieri

    “…the amount of women”? Terrible English and it sounds disgusting.

  • CiaranJGoggins

    Historically since Blairs Babes the vast majority of female MPs have been a utterly pointless, ineffectual and a waste of time. Maggie was a one off.

  • john p reid

    40% of labour M.Ps are female ‘all the female labour m.P.s retiring have 18 plus years in, they’Re all over60, most Tory women who are going have less than 14 years in most are under60

  • itdoesntaddup

    The Tories have just lost another old woman Yeo.

  • Eddie

    “On yesterday’s edition of the Andrew Marr Show, Harriet Harman said: ‘My concern is that we’re having a sort of cull of senior, authoritative women and they’re all being replaced by men’. ”
    Yes, but Herr Harman would say that, wouldn’t she? The woman is a pity party feminist, a woman from a privileged background who demands gender discrimination against state-school educated men so posh women like her can nab all the top jobs.
    These quangos are full of the same middle-aged women – who often sit on a dozen boards and committees. I dare say the world would be a far better place if we culled them and other mediocrities too – sadly, it’s not happening.
    Claiming discrimination does not prove it exists, though man-bashing ranters like Harman think that if they keep repeating a lie long enough it becomes true. Like the claim that there’s an unfair gender pay gap (oh no there isn’t! Lifetime averages will be different for very good reasons).

  • Chatterclass

    Labour has all women shortlists, so they will select another woman in most of the seats where the MP is standing down. Tories, on the other hand, don’t select many to start off with and are not selecting women to replace …

    • Smithersjones2013

      Why should the voters of those constituencies be forced to have another female Labour candidate? Surely it is only right that they should be offered the best candidate available?

  • CharlietheChump

    “Ann Clwyd, Dawn Primarolo, Tessa Jowell, Glenda Jackson, Joan Ruddock, Anne McGuire and Joan Walley” constitute a NO LOSS rate.

  • kyalami

    What does Lorraine Fullbrook do, other than photo opportunities?

    • CharlietheChump

      Lorraine Fullbrook – who she?

      • kyalami

        One of the Tory ladies standing down after just one term.

  • Smithersjones2013

    Actually there is a significant difference between the Tory and Labour resignations. In Labour’s case they almost all seem to be tired hackneyed old hags long past their sell by date (Harman should take note and do the honourable thing for once in her life). All of them were first elected in 1997 or before.

    The Tory names are all 2010 intake which does cast yet another shadow over Cameron’s candidate selection policies

    • CiaranJGoggins

      What a hypocrite she is banging on about all women lists for labour MPs then shoe horning her husband Into a safe labour seat.

  • Eddie

    Oh come on, Ann Clwyd is 77 in March! That’s 17 years after the long-used female retiring age.
    What concerns me is that the new younger women all seem like robots, no matter what party they come from.
    There are clearly also some real mediocrities who owe their selection to their gender; plus their are headstrong uber-ambitious types who expect immediate promotion to the top tier of government. I would argue that many of these do not deserve to be MPs at all – they seem a waste of space, mostly.

    • Chatterclass

      I have to disagree, the Labour women new MPs and candidates are a very impressive bunch. Look at Catherine West and Sarah Sackman. Hardly robots. Catherine West has been a politician for a number of years, was leader of Islington Council and council leader of the year 2013.

      • Smithersjones2013

        The leader of Islington council and an environmental lawyer/barrister?

        Thats a case of “From Red Dawn to Red Borg (clones)”

        Resistance is futile you will be assimilated

        • Chatterclass

          Council leader of the year 2013, award presented by Pickles himself. So, maybe you shouldn’t be so closed minded .

          • Tim Reed

            “Council leader of the year 2013”

            Such stiff competition, too. Least corrupt parasite.

      • DWWolds

        #you really must be joking!

      • Eddie

        Really? Has any one of them ever done a real job then?

        • Chatterclass

          Why don’t you bother to google before you post. Yes.

          • Eddie

            Why don’t you stop nattering, woman, and think before you do.

            I said a REAL job.

            Not being some local council jobsworth or a permanent committee member.

            • Chatterclass

              Lol, can’t use google

              • Eddie

                No love, you probably can’t (and don’t realise that that interweb thing is full of lies, errors, propaganda and spin). You probably don’t realise either that there are plenty of other search engines too.
                Maybe ask a man to help you? They tend to be better at anything techie. LOL.

    • Makroon

      Are they really any worse or “more robotic” than the men ?
      I think Ann Clwyd, a principled left-winger, has become deeply disillusioned at the legacy of her party, after her experience with Stafford health trust and Burnham’s shameful deceit.

      • Eddie

        I think, maybe, yes. Though you are right, the men are often robotic besuited ‘professional’ politicians too.

        However, the women are far too often obsessed with trivia and absurdities – such as getting people arrested for saying rude things on Twitter. They are smug, self-righteous, and many – though espousing equality – are expert at playing the poor little victim, and really using their gender to manipulate. And get that women’s vote.

        I can’t help thinking we were better run when most politicians had had real jobs (no, not in Marketing and PR, not on councils, not as SPADs) – and when most had been through the war too. Since the 90s it’s all gone robotic – and there just don’t seem to be many big personalities with guts in the new intakes.

  • David_Boothroyd

    Of the Labour women MPs standing down, when did their Parliamentary careers begin? Answers: Ann Clwyd – 1984. Joan Ruddock, Dawn Primarolo, Joan Walley – 1987. Tessa Jowell, Glenda Jackson – 1992. Anne McGuire – 1997. An average of 24.5 years service.

    Of the Conservative women MPs standing down, when did their Parliamentary careers begin? Answer – all in 2010. That’s the problem.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      What problem? That not everybody subscribes to politics as a professional career… a sinecure?

      • David_Boothroyd

        It’s one thing to retire when you’ve been doing a job for 20 years and are at or approaching retirement age. It’s another thing entirely to give up a career at the first opportunity, and when you have decades of a working life to go.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          No, it’s the same thing, lad, unless you believe in politics as a professional career and sinecure, and that choosing other than that is wrong.

        • Makroon

          If a youngish person becomes an MP, and after a term (or two), decides it’s not for them, surely that is a good thing ? That they are confident of developing an alternative career speaks well of them.
          Far better than becoming cynical ‘lobby fodder’.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            …but lobby fodder is what you Camerluvvies relish, isn’t it, lad? Afterall, you always shriek hysterically against those cursed rebels, who bewitch your hero Dave, don’t you?

      • Smithersjones2013

        That Cameron’s A-List was a very stupid idea.

  • DaHitman

    I’d like to see more MPs based on best person for the job rather than gender, race and religion – We all know that’s boll@cks

    • witwoud

      Boldly put.

  • Oliver Westall

    Just calculate the average age of those leaving in each party and you will see the difference.

  • Lynda Garrett

    Anne Mcintosh spoke up about how food banks and the “bedroom tax” were effecting her constituents (good on her)…thats probs why she’s a gonna….

    The condems are bullies towards their woman MPs…
    Women MPs leaving the Labour party,leave because they want to and are not being bullied to…..

    • James Strong

      There is no such thing as the bedroom tax.

      • DaHitman

        Then you aren’t living in the UK. Next you’ll be saying there was no Window Tax

        • Thatcherite Lee

          He unlike you has read a dictionary.

          • DaHitman

            Ah bless your boyfriend likes your post

          • Lynda Garrett

            and if he read the dictionary he would know “bedroom tax” is in it….

            • Smithersjones2013

              And if you knew anything about dictionaries you would know their purpose is to list the definition of words not phrases.

              So you will find “bedroom” in there and “tax” in there but I doubt they will include the phrase “bedroom tax” except as perhaps a colloquialism.

              After they didn’t include Brown’s ‘Gulags for Slags’ now did they?

        • Nicholas chuzzlewit

          Kindly provide me with the exact reference in the UK tax code where I can find the “Bedroom tax”. Good luck.

          • DaHitman

            I know you have something stuck up your never region but the whole country refers to it as the bedroom tax, the only ones who don’t are a bunch of idiots like you.

            The BBC TV Licence is a tax too, bet you love the BBC

            • Alexsandr

              I see it as me subsidising people to have a bigger house than they need. I have to pay all my own housing costs.

              • DaHitman

                No you see it as a way of freeing up space for your invading armies, sod the native population etc etc

                We know this to be true because it doesn’t effect those renting private!

              • DaHitman

                If you looked into it instead of presuming you’d find the rents are the same whether its 1,2,3 or 4 bedrooms so the only people being hurt are the natives to make room for invading armies, pal

              • Chatterclass

                The problem with the policy is that there are no smaller properties for people to move to. A house is not just an investment or a roof over your head: it is a home in a community, with friends and neighbours. The bedroom tax is breaking up communities and forcing people to move away from friends and family. And that is not to mention the large numbers of disabled people who are in properties with an extra bedroom for their equipment or a couple who are disabled and cannot share a room or a disabled child who cannot share a room with a sibling. It is a cruel policy and a perfect metaphor for the nasty party. (I include the yellows who turned blue)

            • Nicholas chuzzlewit

              No the whole country does not refer to a reduction in benefits as a tax, bedroom or otherwise, because it is not a tax. Ignorant leftists do refer to it as a tax because they are leftists and ignorant. By the way, it is nether region you uneducated lout.

              • DaHitman

                WOW you speak for the whole country and you’re obtuse………..you should stand as a fake Tory MP

                • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                  You are not very literate are you. I suspect that you should be trying to participate in conversations more suited to you limited educational attainments. Of course I do not speak for the entire country you idiot; it was you who tried to do that with your ludicrous generalisation concerning bedroom tax. When saying that the whole country does not agree, I am correct because I do not agree and thus your vapid generalisation cannot be correct. I suspect a few others agree with me as well. Now run along and take your semi-literate musings with you.

                • DaHitman

                  I suspect you’ve got a bottle stuck up your botty which is why you try speaking down to people when in reality just come across as a complete (censored)

                • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                  I do not speak down to people only you, you ghastly little tick.

                • DaHitman

                  Not the brightest light in the street then are you, little boy

                • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                  Well I am arguing with plankton.

                • DaHitman

                  WOW you really do get a kick listening to yourself go on

              • James Strong

                Some of the people who use the term ‘bedroom tax’ are ignorant, you are right.
                But professional lefty politicians are not ignorant; they are deliberately making statements they know to be untrue.
                (There is a less wordy way to say that, of course.)

                • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                  Agreed. I should have drawn a distinction between dishonest Labour politicians and the leftist Trolls who pollute this blog.

            • DWWolds

              The only ones who do are those who do not understand the difference between a tax and the elimination of an unwarranted subsidy paid for by taxpayers.

              • DaHitman

                You forgot to add by taxpayers to taxpayers but we both know why don’t we 😉

                • DWWolds

                  Actually no!

            • Makroon

              Is this DaHitman entity a new troll or just the latest alias of Telemachus/Fatman ?

              • DaHitman

                The troll is YOU, those who go on making accusations like that always are. If you bothered to check you’d see this is an old account you fool

          • DaHitman
            • Nicholas chuzzlewit

              So it is not part of the UK tax code. Thank you. You should have saved yourself the trouble of including a group of irrelevant links. My question concerned the UK tax code not a tissue of lies from the left.

              • DaHitman

                Oh so now you speak for people, you fascist little trolls are so predicable. Once again its called the Bedroom Tax

      • Lynda Garrett

        oh but i think there is…….

        Oxford Dictionaries’ Word of the Year shortlist

        bedroom tax, noun, informal:

        (in the UK) a reduction in the amount of housing benefit paid to a claimant if the property they are renting is judged to have more bedrooms than is necessary for the number of the people in the household, according to criteria set down by the government.

        • James Strong

          Thank you for this.
          I know language evolves but this is just abuse and vandalism of the language.
          A reduction in benefit is not the same as a tax.
          I will continue to point this out until the phrase ‘bedroom tax’ disappears from the language and we can return to using the words accurately.

        • Smithersjones2013

          Interesting because if you type in the phrase “Bedroom Tax” (its not a word) into the ‘Oxford DIctionaries’ search page here:

          http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/spellcheck/all/?q=bedroom+tax

          It comes up with “No results found”

          Strange that isn’t it?

          • Lynda Garrett
          • Lynda Garrett

            no not so strange..!!!

            • La Fold

              Quoting a blog on the true meaning of the term bedroom tax, which lets point out was a runner up to “selfie”! You have a mind focussed like a laser! The “bedroom tax” is actually the removal of the Spare Room Subsidy.

        • Makroon

          Wow, and no mention of it’s origin as Labour agitprop !
          Well, that’s Oxford for you.

  • Ulysses Returns

    Well, I don’t know, or care about, any of the Conservative lot, but it seems like Labour have managed to rid themselves of some real harridans (Anne Clwyd excepted). I see one or two excellent women on the Conservative benches, led by the increasingly impressive Theresa May, but Labour’s clutch of clucking wimmin is uniformly dire (and ugly to boot). Any party that puts the robot Reeves on their front bench, or either of those Eagle ladymen, or that twisted sister Flint, is not advancing the feminist cause one inch in my opinion. The blessed Margaret, whilst no Venus to be fair, had more sexual magnetism (vide Alan Clark) than all of Labour’s godawful ladies grouped together. Au revoir Glenda, Dawn, Tessa and Joan, or is it (hopefully) goodbye and good riddance?

    • James Strong

      They are by no means uniformly ugly.
      That Caroline Flint is a good-looking girl.
      Harriet Harman, in her younger days, was very easy on the eye.
      Glenda Jackson, not a classic beauty but certainly with secksual allure.
      Rachel Reeves also nice to look at.
      Of course, what goes in their heads and what comes out of their mouths is a different matter.

      • James Strong

        I think the names of down-voters should be visible, as up-voters’ names are.
        I’ve put up a blatantly sexist comment evaluating women by their looks and two people have down-voted it.
        Was it two of the feminazi wimmin out there?

      • Smithersjones2013

        Actually Red Dawn could turn a head or two in her younger days and then there is the one and only Gloria Del Piero (Labour Ashfield) who puts the rather horsy Reeves to shame

        http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/00995/SNN0102GLORIA_280_995996a.jpg

        • James Strong

          Thanks for the link.
          Well worth a look.

      • anncalba

        Look in the mirror.

      • CiaranJGoggins

        Glenda Jackson “sexual allure”? No way, now Oliver Reed he had it in spades…….Ooh matron!

    • Dogzzz

      I do not care what they look like. Are they intelligent enough and capable enough to implement good policies which improve this country. The answer to that is that most of the labour women (and men) cannot.

      • CharlietheChump

        “Are they intelligent enough and capable enough to implement good policies which improve this country”.
        NO.

    • BarkingAtTreehuggers

      The increasingly impressive TM?
      You must be commanding the authority around here to come up with such an outrageous statement. Ms TM is about to render you stateless the moment I (yes, I) suspect you of criminality. Is that what impresses you? Just like the ‘impressive’ AQ saga? And the secret courts legislation? And the weighty *go home or face arrest* impressions?
      I fear you are in dire need of a hot cuppa with BoJo – I am reliably informed he will happily sort you out over some hot Lapsang Souchong and select Duchy patisserie.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        Yes, and she sends plainclothes goons into newspaper basements to smash up computers with clubs and sledgehammers, even if the information on those computers is available elsewhere, and the goons have been instructed of that fact. The plebs need to be shown who’s in charge, you know.

        Oh, and she bans peaceful conservatives from incoming visa, because they don’t conform to her censorious views of what is permissible speech.

        All in all, she’s the perfect authoritarian socialist.

        • BarkingAtTreehuggers

          It is of course blatantly obvious why we are about to be subjected to yet more name dropping in the next couple of days and weeks.
          Some are beginning to understand that DC will indeed bottle it fairly and squarely in both May and September whilst others are only now starting to realise that if we wanted to save the Union, a Conservative-led government would sadly not constitute a prerequisite for achieving the best possible outcome.

    • anncalba

      “and ugly to boot”? Ah well, all male politicians are really handsome, aren’t they? So what. How unbelievably trivial, why should anyone take comments based on mps appearance seriously?

  • sfin

    I’m with Max Hastings when he said of Harriet Harman, along the lines of…”She is useful as a politician, to me, because whenever I’m undecided over a particular issue , I merely research her position and I know that I will be safe in choosing the opposite!”

    “Camerons cuties” (selected through “approved candidate shortlists”, or “gender quotas” as Labour call it, or “sexual discrimination” as I call it) are rapidly finding out that they are merely window dressing.

    The likes of Ann Clwyd have probably just made a life calculation – i.e. the realisation that they’re not going to live long enough to spend the enormous pension they’ve accrued from 30 years in the commons.

  • swatnan

    Thats why we need AWS to keep the numbers up. There seems to be a cull of women MPs going on, but most are going for the right and legitimate reasons, natural wastage and disillusionment with their Paries or to spend more time with their families.

    • Alexsandr

      in this enlightened age why cannot the good women shine through with no gender discrimination. AWS just lets the dross through.

      • swatnan

        …. because its not as enlightened as you thought; women still face discrination, often from other women. So you need positive action to ensure that good women come through. And its worked.

        • Alexsandr

          do give me some examples from Labour. They must have hidden their talents from me.

          • Smithersjones2013

            Well most feminists look down their nose at strippers. Perhaps its the feminists who need to be ‘reprogrammed’?

        • Smithersjones2013

          Utter garbage. Now we are supposed to view women as victims because other women look down their nose at them?

          Shish do you realise how ridiculous you are?

        • James Strong

          Would Chukka Umuna be so prominent if he was white and named John Smith?

        • James Strong

          So sisters aren’t doing it for themselves.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            You mean, women have an independent mind, and don’t vote in lockstep based upon gender, like everybody knows they’re supposed to, especially Dave?

            Who knew?

      • Eddie

        The only gender discrimination I see is that against men, esp white men, who get kept down always so less able women and ethnics can leapfrog over them to meet diversity targets. That particularly hurts white working class men without wealth or connections (things casually enjoyed by the likes of Herr Harman and Chukka Posh-Boy).

        • Smithersjones2013

          Don’t forget Tristram Posh-Punt either

    • Smithersjones2013

      Really? Well how is it Sandys, Lee, Fullbrook and Mensch were all in seats taken from Labour at the last election? Now we can be pretty sure that Sandys jumped because was in trouble given the UKIP rising in Thanet and we saw what happened at the by election in Corby when Mensch bailed out so we can equally speculate that neither Fullbrook or Lee fancy their chances either given the seats are of northerly marginal persuasion.

      As for the Labour women standing down. Is it not reasonable for them to stand down having served their party in Westminster for anything between 18 and 30 years?

      Some cull!

      AWS is just another tool of the bigoted sexist feminist agenda of entitlement & privilege.

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