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PMQs sees Miliband press Cameron on his party’s ‘problem with women’

5 February 2014

1:50 PM

5 February 2014

1:50 PM

Today was not a good PMQs for David Cameron. Ed Miliband went on the issue of whether the Tory party has a ‘problem with women’ and was handed a huge helping hand by the fact that the front bench was all male. It made Miliband’s point for him. It was also sloppy planning by the Tories given that Harriet Harman had used this line of attack on Michael Gove on the Andrew Marr Show on Sunday.

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But this doesn’t explain why Cameron was quite so off in response. He did mention that the Tories had had a female leader while Labour had not. But he didn’t make enough of this point. He also seemed oddly listless in answering the question.

Now, there’ll be Tories who point out that Miliband going on floods and women shows he’s not confident asking about the economy. There’s truth to this. But the Tories do need to knock on the head this idea that they have a problem with women.

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  • Peter Stroud

    I must have watched a different PMQs to James Forsyth. Miliband’s leading on the lack of women in the Tory ranks, did not, in my view, gain much traction. Crowding the front bench with women, was seen to be a gimmick and, I suggest, impressed very few people.

  • wchancellor

    >>”and was handed a huge helping hand by the fact that the front bench was all male.”

    Would Theresa May have helped?

    Look at the photo of the “ladies” sqinched up on Miliband’s front bench. Friends or staged? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2552211/Men-Cameron-fire-Miliband-government-frontbench-PMQs-NO-women.html

    Tiresome, cheap, yet disturbing noises. I’m tempted to vote against any woman on any ticket for the next five years. I suspect I’m not alone, even if it won’t be something discussed or confessed to at dinner tables.

  • BarkingAtTreehuggers

    Since when is the reliance on this focus group polling nonsense the answer to a lack of conviction politics?

  • HJ777

    Given that Labour MPs are much more likely to come from a public sector background and Conservative MPs are much more likely to come from a private sector background and given that the public sector employs a disproportionately large proportion of women compared to the private sector, would we not expect there to be a higher proportion of women Labour MPs compared to Conservative MPs?

  • Mynydd

    During the last two Andrew Marr shows a Labour shadow minister told Mr Cameron what question to expect at PMQ’s. Even with this advanced notice Mr Cameron has failed to come up with an acceptable answer. Today it was Mr Cameron and women and lack of. After a lot of flannel he came up with the conservative party was the only one with a woman PM, and was shot down when Mr Miliband said Lady Thatcher won elections. You lot get over it, the man is just not up to the job

    • HookesLaw

      Various Labour women are not standing again this coming election. Its a worked up made up bit of hysteria.

      Stop romancing and pretending. Its a nothing point desperately made.

      Meantime to commemorate another bit of bogus politicking by Miliband I see that rail lines are now ‘strategic arteries’ now one has been cut. Building them is a waste of money when it suits.

    • HJ777

      I am not Cameron’s greatest fan.

      However, that you can conclude that “the man is just not up to the job” without mentioning that the alternative – Miliband – most certainly isn’t, escapes me. Seriously, does anyone think that Miliband is prime ministerial material? I dislike Labour but Blair certainly was prime ministerial material (much as I think his record was terrible).

      Miliband is in the Kinnock/Foot bracket, I’m afraid. That is one reason why, despite the electoral bias in its favour, Labour is unlikely to win the next election.

  • Kitty MLB

    Milipede is nothing but a vulture, laying in wait.
    He has nothing to offer, a socialist fraud.
    As the Colonel said they slyly packed their front bench with women.
    The politics of division, have they forgotten who had the first woman
    Prime Minister. I have noticed Milipede surrounds himself with women
    to make himself appear in touch and probably more manly, yet they
    just make him look like a little boy that needs mothering and not a leader.

    • Colonel Mustard

      And his whiney, self-entitlement laden voice is simply awful. He reminds me of a donkey braying.

      • David Simpson

        If that is all you can say about Miliband then if i were you i would shut up. You really do make yourself look silly as you always do

        • Colonel Mustard

          Oh, I could say a lot more. What would you like, that he gets his little helpers like David Simpson to troll online propaganda because he is bereft of any ideas that would actually improve this country?

    • Cyril Sneer

      If you had a look at the Labour party website main page you’d see that The Millipeed also surrounds himself with school children. If he fails in his bid for PM I’m sure the BBC will line him up with a job in children’s ‘entertainment’.

      • David Simpson

        who’s a silly boy then

        • Kitty MLB

          You are the silly boy. Go to the back of the class.

        • Colonel Mustard

          You are judging by the way you always comment.

        • Cyril Sneer

          Not really, there seems to be a link between paedophillia, the BBC and the left wing.

      • Kitty MLB

        Its the same when he has the conferences, and does
        his little speech, the first row are full of children.
        Quite sinister in a way.
        Heaven forfend, if he were ever to become PM ( God save our wretched souls) Will he brainwash the young innocent minds,
        and dress them all the same, as they do in Chinese schools-
        Carrying red flags…makes me shudder just thinking of it.

    • David Simpson

      Oh dear oh dear whose nose has been put out by Miliband, sour grapes come to mind as yet again Cameron has been shown up to be the fraud he is. I do like to see a squirming tory

      • Colonel Mustard

        Which demonstrates my point that Labour is just a malevolent party for hating Tories.

        What else you got? Apart from royally f***ing up this country every time you are in power and then blaming everyone else for it?

        Muppets the lot of you. But nasty, malevolent, vicious muppets who hide behind the pretence of being holier than everyone else.

  • miseri

    ” He did mention that the Tories had had a female leader while Labour had not. But he didn’t make enough of this point”
    Perhaps because it was the Tory men that turned on her and stabbed her in the back.

    • Mynydd

      I liked Mr Miliband retort, “Lady Thatcher was a conservative leader that won elections”, poor Mr Cameron could only go red in the face.

  • George_Arseborne

    Why should Milliband waste his time on the Economy when the whole Nation knows is recovery for selected rich Tory Donors . Millions of hardworking families are lavishing in poverty, food banks are on record high, disable people poorly treated by this wicked government, etc as compared to Tax Cut for Millionaires. Then when fake figures are being announce by same gang of friends, shameful journalist like you will go scribbling like headless chicken.
    Whether you guys like it or not, there is a cost of living crisis and Milliband is doing well.

    Did anyone see the latest YOUGOV POLL? It was all jubilation and all over Right wing press that the Gap was narrowing, now they are quiet. Who give the toast about economy figures that do not trickle down & job figures full of zero hours contract and poorly paid?. PLASTIC RECOVERY FOR PLASTIC George and David.

    Do someone remember when the Cons had been ahead in any opinion poll?

    Finally who is the Leader of the Conservative Party? Lynton Immigrant Clown Cosby or David Plastic Man Vacuum Cameron?

    • Colonel Mustard

      How is Harrods doing these days under the new owners? Do you still keep in touch?

      • Dicky14

        I’m just wondering how someone goes about ‘lavishing in poverty’ but it sounds rather wonderful.

    • Chris lancashire

      Oh dear, underlines Shazza’s point above perfectly.

    • saffrin

      Why do you Labour party types constantly try to blame this Government for the last Labour Government’s gross incompetence?
      Everyone knows why the country is in a mess George.

    • Kitty MLB

      Good Heavens.
      As a Conservative I should be in a sack cloth and ashes.
      What a deluded, sanctimonious , atrabilious rant.
      ‘Why should Miliband waste his time on the economy’?
      That note’ There is no money left’ answers that question,
      Labour destroyed the economy, they have no ideas, they are utterly
      pointless and a total disgrace.
      Gordon Brown was the worst Prime Minister ever, the two
      Ed’s are his little acolytes, Ed Balls was personally responsible for a lot of the damage and Milipede’ the unready’- a student politician.
      I am not a Cameroon, but I will trust George Osborne any day
      over that treacherous, deceitful little man who started our economic firestorm.

      • Mynydd

        Almost four years ago one man made a joke, since then we have had one government being a joke every day.

        • Kitty MLB

          A Joke ?
          They have such utter contempt and disrespect for the electorate , that they can leave such a note and call it a joke.
          At least George Osborne will not be in the situation to leave such a note. Regardless of what I think of the Cameroons.

          • Mynydd

            Mr Osborne doesn’t need to leave a note we already have it. I am so sorry, I know I said that I would balance the books by 2015, but I am leaving you a deficit of £90bn and failed plan.

        • HJ777

          It wasn’t the fact that it was a joke that was a problem.

          It’s the fact that it was true.

    • Mynydd

      The poll I saw in the conservative supporting Sun last week give the following figures, Conservative 32%, Labour 42%, Lib Dem 8% UKIP 12% which would result in a Labour majority of 76

      • HookesLaw

        The poll I have seen today is Tories 33 and Labour 38. The governing parties have a lead of 6.

        • Daniel Maris

          Only problem for you, is that the Lib Dems will cosy up to Labour given the chance.

  • Smithersjones2013

    The fact that Miliband joyfully posed for a photo next to some oik with a t-shirt celebrating the wished for demise of Britain’s first female leader really should be enough to keep Miliband quiet on such issues. If that is not an example of Labour’s inherent misogyny I don’t know what is. The fact Cameron did not slaughter Miliband with such a point only goes to show Cameron’s lack of suitability for the politics involved in his job

    The fact that Labour have Mad Hattie Harman (who’s predecessor was the idiot Prescott) in the non-job of of Deputy Leader means nothing.

    • Nicholas chuzzlewit

      Agreed. Why doesn’t Cameron get verbally stuck into Miliband and then keep on ‘kicking’?

      • Mynydd

        Mr Cameron does try to get stuck into Mr Miliband but fails. Today it was Mrs Thatcher was the first woman Prime Minister, only for Mr Miliband to come back with, Lady Thatcher won election. We all know that Mr Cameron failed to win an election in front of a open goal.

        • Nicholas chuzzlewit

          Just go away. You are pointless and have nothing which is either interesting, original or useful to say. You keep repeating the same rubbish ad nauseum. For example, your pitiful comment on the marginal rate of tax today were duly dispatched for the rubbish it was by two respondents. Yet I have no doubt you will repeat the same nonsense at the next opportunity. Whatever the problem you blame the Tories. It is boring, ignorant and stupid. You are clearly a propagandist for the Labour Party and a waste of everybody else’s time.

          • Mynydd

            I just point out the error of your ways.

            • Nicholas chuzzlewit

              You are too ignorant to point.

            • Colonel Mustard

              No, you invariably just tell lies.

    • jack mustard

      Anyone railing against the “inherent misogyny” of another should probably avoid posting comments – as you have in the last couple of days – such as:
      “tired hackneyed old hags long past their sell by date” [in relation to female Labour MPs], and
      “Frankly the best thing that women could do to improve men’s lot is stop interfering in male society. Stop the nannying and the matronism and let men get on with it”

  • In2minds

    ” He did mention that the Tories had had a female leader while Labour had not. But he didn’t make enough of this point” –

    Perhaps it embarrases him?

  • Corbus

    Irrelevant. Typical Labour clamouring that isn’t solving core issues. It’s why Labour will lose the election contending with UKIP and Lib Dems. Actually, so will the Tories. And picture of self-adoring Bagshawe will rile the women’s bloc.

  • JamesdelaMare

    Leave aside the matter of women MPs – or the lack of them. This country has thousands of deep-seated problems (and increasing year on year) which politicians will not address properly and which are far, far more important than the utter irrelevance of how many women MPs should be in the Conservative party. No matter if that number was doubled, it would make no impact at all on the stupid bawling across the floor of the Commons by Cameron and Miliband.

    This nation is now so far dysfunctional that elected politicians are merely engaged in displacement activity because they don’t know what to do to restore the nation and haven’t the wit to think through anything beyond perpetuating their careers, status and perks. Conservative women “A list” MPs have made no contribution at all to sorting out the nation’s problems, and they cannot do so.

  • Colonel Mustard

    Typical orchestrated attack. Labour wait for a day when they know the Conservative front bench women will be absent then pack their front bench with women. And blatantly pull this stunt after the leak of the Falkirk report about their “impeccable” selection processes.

    Then ‘Mrs’ Dromey, parachuted into a safe seat with an all women shortlist, asks a question.

    Priceless fakery from the party of lies, lying and liars.

    • Shazza

      Milliband has to resort to divisive politics owing to his lack of credibility on key policies. He continues to play the class war, Eton toffs, Bullingdon boys etc. stoking the fires of envy and class hatred. He is an empty shell and more fool the people who cannot recognise that the only way he can hope to win the election is by inciting hatred and nurturing ill feeling. He is found wanting in all areas. The country has very serious problems, most of which were caused by his own party’s disastrous mismanagement during their 13 misrule and his only concern is the lack of women in the Conservative Party – and the sheeple fall for this back-stabbing fake. Whatever happened to his ‘One Nation Labour’. Nothing worse that these hypocritical Bollinger Bolsheviks. This hatemongering cabal truly is the Party of Mass Destruction.

      • Chris lancashire

        Your point is very well made – this constant reliance on nasty class warfare does the country no service and also shows Labour’s complete lack of realistic policies.

        • Colonel Mustard

          All agreed. But I think it also reveals very well Miliband’s antecedence as the son of a Marxist and grandson of a Bolshevik. From irresponsible government to class war insurgents has evidently been a small step to take for those fakers.

          • DWWolds

            It is interesting to speculate on what Labour’s reaction would be if Cameron turned the tables and raised the point you make about Millliminor being the son of a Marxist and grandson of a Bolshevik.

            Labour’s constant regurgitating of class warfare barbs is petty minded, vacuous – and just old fashioned.

            • Nicholas chuzzlewit

              Agreed but I do fear that it strikes a chord with some of the less discerning in the ‘audience’.

            • Cyril Sneer

              “Labour’s constant regurgitating of class warfare barbs is petty minded, vacuous – and just old fashioned.”

              It’s a crass attempt to tap in to the have’s and have not’s feeling that currently permeates this country. Being well spoken is a sin and so is being wealthy apparently, unless you’re a champagne socialist.

        • Shazza

          Time after time Milliband resorts to cheap abuse and does his best to attempt to embarrass the Prime Minister. He attempted to pour scorn on Cameron’s statements regarding the flooding – neglecting to mention that it is an EU directive which prevents the dredging of the Somerset levels – and it was that coward Brown who signed the Lisbon Treaty thus betraying the British people by surrendering their autonomy to Brussels. He pretended to be concerned about the flooding but just used it as a foil to strut his stuff – like a peacock but God, have you ever seen such dismal peahens as that Labour lot.

          • Mynydd

            It wasn’t Mr Miliband who embarrassed Mr Cameron it was Prince Charles. As a result the Prime Minister is now chairman of COBRA I await the first person to be sacked. What is it six weeks and only now the Prime Minister acts. At next week at PMQ’s it will be, it’s not my fault Prince Charles should have visited the Somerset Levels earlier.

            • Makroon

              I took Cameron’s announcement of “another £100M” as a deliberate rebuff to the heir, who is on a mission to try to polish his tarnished popularity by ‘sotto voce’ cracks at the government.

        • JamesdelaMare

          The article isn’t about class warfare at all. It’s about women MPs in the Conservative party. Would you now like to address that matter, please? As so often, commenters here digress onto other irrelevant points like attacking Miliband’s immigrant father which they’re comfortable repeating to each other ad infinitum.

          • Colonel Mustard

            Who made you Sheriff of Coffee House?

            Besides Miliband made another Bullingdon swipe again. Is that relevant?

            • Mynydd

              Mr Miliband has made Bullingdon swipes for nearly four years and still Mr Cameron has not come up with an answer to stop him. It is relevant because it will run and run until the general election.

              • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                Because such comments are juvenile, irrelevant and hypocritical coming from somebody who enjoyed a highly privileged background like Miliband.

                • JamesdelaMare

                  “Privileged background” of Miliband? How do you judge that? Isn’t it a Jewish quality to try to give your off-spring the best you can? Very much more so than most ordinary English do?

                • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                  No. It is a ‘human’ quality to do the best for your children.

                • Chris lancashire

                  So it was OK for pere Miliband to look out for his kids but not Cameron’s father?

                • JamesdelaMare

                  Yes, they do seem to harbour a lot of resentment in the north against Cameron and an Eton or Oxford education. It isn’t justified, however, and maybe if he’d been sent to Winchester and New College instead, they’d be in more difficulty over being resentful for obvious reasons.

                • Chris lancashire

                  I’m sure this makes some sort of sense to you.

                • JamesdelaMare

                  ???? It ought to make perfect sense to any normal Telegraph reader.

                • Chris lancashire

                  Assumptions dear chap. Never touch the thing. Anyway, you still haven’t told us why it’s OK for Mr Miliband to have looked after his son but not Mr Cameron. Or are tribal politics too blinding?

                • JamesdelaMare

                  If you suppose that Cameron’s education was considered privileged and wrong by his critics, then you should ask them to explain, not ask me. They now doubt will tell you. Plenty of members of my own family had the same education as Cameron and I am not a critic of it, and never have been.

                  As for Miliband, his father was a refugee who did all right, as happens in this country to many Jewish refugees, and it’s absurd that Spectator readers are harping on about Miliband’s “privileges” and “class warfare” when the whole Conservative party is in the rotten state it is. Getting that party and this country back on track will be as big a task as Attlee faced in 1945 – or bigger.

                • Chris lancashire

                  Wow! The country is worse today than 1945. A touch of hyperbole?

                • JamesdelaMare

                  That’s not what I said. Don’t you read and understand comments before criticising them? Whereas in 1945 we needed to make good the ravages of war and turn over production to peaceful purposes, we now face a highly developed world with many economies growing well and taking our export markets, while at the same time we are living far beyond our means, financed by debt and borrowing, and by selling off anything and everything in the country, with rampant inflation and, most important, no good prospects for the future (even aside from the multiple internal problems of over-immigration) – which we did have in 1945 after so many other nations had been wrecked. While ours still retained Imperial resources and markets, we had future prospects, now virtually absent.

                • Chris lancashire

                  Rampant inflation?? Er, 2 percent. No prospects? Fastest growth in Europe. You’re a glass half empty chap aren’t you?

                • JamesdelaMare

                  It’s not been 2% consistently since 1945 and I doubt if it’d be 2% now if they didn’t fiddle with the figures. Look and see what a pound is worth today compared to 1945. THAT is the true measure. Like the politicians, you don’t seem to take account of long timescales. “Growth” is an illusory notion based on notional circulation of money. All the signs that we would find difficulty in the long term were already present fifty years ago when I was on the staff of NEDC.

                • Chris lancashire

                  Ah, that explains it.

              • Colonel Mustard

                Which tells us all we need to know about you and your party.

            • JamesdelaMare

              Nothing wrong in inviting a commenter to give a view of the subject of the article. Half the rest had gone off track.

          • Chris lancashire

            My point was that Miliband is all about class warfare. As to addressing the number of women in any party – no, I don’t think it matters. Just as the number of gays, Muslims, Jews or any other division you drag up doesn’t matter either. We do (or should) live in a meritocracy.

          • Shazza

            The issue of how many women MPs there are in the Conservative Party is not a matter of national concern. The economy is. As is the state of welfare. As is immigration. These are all crises matters. Miliband has no credible argument on any of these crises matters. Indeed he and his party are largely to blame for these crises. Hence he turns his attack on a subject that has no concern to the voting general public. He is an empty, spite filled, envious Marxist backstabber with nothing to offer the country except a race to the bottom in all things civilised. He uses these vacuous arguments as red herrings to attempt to detract voters from his own culpability and uselessness.

            • JamesdelaMare

              Shazza – That isn’t a logical argument. The issue of Conservative women MPs may not be of national concern but it is a matter of widespread concern, albeit wrongly so in the opinion of many of us. But the other matters are also down to the Conservatives quite as much as Labour over the years.

              Immigration? When did the Conservatives ever seriously curb immigration in the past 50 years? Welfare? When did the Conservatives ever try to manage the welfare state and health services better? Isn’t the public perception correct, that a large portion of the Conservative party would rather destroy the welfare system and NHS? The economy? Wasn’t it Conservative orientated bankers, accountants and business people who removed manufacturing and services from this country and took them abroad because that was more profitable to them? And lent out money to a gullible public which it couldn’t repay?

              Miliband may have his faults, but he’s not been in government as PM and there’s surely no justification whatsoever for your insulting him as “an empty spite filled envious Marxist backstabber with nothing to offer the country except a race to the bottom”.

              If anybody is culpable for a race to the bottom, it’s successive Conservative governments who’ve failed lamentably to ensure the nation has kept up its 1945 pre-eminence – and indeed under Cameron show every sign of continuing to fail. They do not carry the public with them, because they have no vision and no respect for high standards – specially since the Suez debacle. Even now Labour stand to gain more seats than the Conservatives, and at their worst moment with Brown, the Conservatives couldn’t even get a majority.

              • Colonel Mustard

                “Even now Labour stand to gain more seats than the Conservatives”

                Well of course when there is a built-in bias that gives them more seats for the same number of votes or less.

                “If anybody is culpable for a race to the bottom, it’s successive Conservative governments”

                Ha ha.

                “They do not carry the public with them”

                They attracted more votes in 2010 than any other party.

                • JamesdelaMare

                  But nowhere near enough in the most favourable circumstances for an opposition party. The public even put nearly a million votes out to UKIP, and half a million to the BNP. The public had no more confidence in the Conservatives after Major, Hague, Howard and Cameron than I did. And they still don’t – and even now commenters here don’t seem to understand why not!

                • Colonel Mustard

                  2010:-

                  Conservative 36.1% 306 seats
                  Labour 29% 258 seats

                  Conservative 7% gain 48 more seats

                  2005:-

                  Conservative 32.4% 198 seats
                  Labour 35.2% 355 seats

                  Labour 2.8% gain 157 more seats

                  Not just about public confidence.

                • JamesdelaMare

                  Yes, quite. Conservatives got 50 more seats than Labour on only 2 million more votes. But UKIP and the BNP which together got 1½ million votes got no seats at all. A mess, and nothing for the Conservatives to be proud of.

              • Shazza

                Immigration – it was not the Conservatives who ‘wanted to rub the Right’s noses in diversity’. Labour opened the immigration floodgates to increase their grateful client voter base. Mandelson admitted that they actively went looking for immigrants; remember that 70% of immigration came from Asia/Africa including a vast amount of muslims and we all know where that demographic is heading. This is a very, very serious situation which is going to cause a lot of trouble in the not too distant future.
                Economy – Labour inherited a solvent economy in 1997 and look at the state they left it in. Brown sold the gold, they encouraged a massive credit boom (remember all those credit card ads – ‘what’s in your wallet’ etc.) Mandelson had no problem with people getting rich – they went on a borrow and spend spree including all the off balance debt PPI etc.
                We had no money in the bank when the crisis hit – unlike Germany, etc.
                Education – dumbing down of standards and grade inflation.Race to the bottom. Erosion of maths/science/language in favour of soft subjects media studies, etc.
                Welfare- massive increase encouragement of ‘Benefit Street’ entitlements also to 3rd world immigrants ( non-working Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Somali women with plenty children, not forgetting muslim polygamy)
                NHS – the International Health Service. Mid Staffs debacle. PPI. GP contracts.
                Freedom of Speech – inspired a culture of fear of telling the truth. Hate speech laws, eg. Burning a Bible is considered an expression of free speech whereas burning a koran is ‘hate speech’. Two tier justice.
                Etc. etc.

                • JamesdelaMare

                  It’s always surprising that while we are told how badly Labour used to do in government – month after month, year after year – it’s a pointless exercise going on about it and attacking Miliband over his father here in the Spectator (or the Daily Mail, or Telegraph) because no Labour supporter is going to be influenced by these attacks in the Conservative press, or change his vote. Commenters here who go on endlessly about Miliband, his “Marxist” father and the supposed evils of them, are aiming at the wrong target.

                  The target they should be aiming at, and where they may possibly have some influence, is the inept and damaging Conservative party itself. Attack the stupidity, nastiness and incompetence of that party, and you get somewhere. The Conservative party has been a menace in this country for fifty years at least. Poor government, a vile reputation among swathes of the population, an influx of career and money-minded politicians, hopeless efforts to undo the Labour legacies they don’t like, or reforms the public want to see, specially over the EU and immigration ……. the organisation is a disaster.

                  We should be far past the old left/right conflict by now. While no Conservative stands any chance of changing Labour, they simply allow more of the same, the wretched
                  barren same policies on the right which favour those whose greed and obsession with money is overwheening while killing off many of the best standards of decency, compassion and tolerance the older among us were brought up with, and which were a pride of this country. No wonder UKIP is attracting so much interest.

            • Mynydd

              If you have the bottle go tell that to the women up and down the country that they are of no concern to Mr Cameron.

              • HJ777

                I don’t think that Shazza suggested that women “up and down the country” (to use your phrase) are of no concern to Cameron.

                Shazza merely suggested that the number of women MPs in the Conservative Party is not a matter of national concern (mentioning neither women in general nor Cameron).

                You may disagree with this, but it would be nice if you were to debate honestly rather than introduce deliberate distortions. If your case requires you to completely distort what other people have said, then I can only assume that you don’t have a very good argument.

          • DWWolds

            It was Milliminor who raised – as he so often does – the class issues so there’s no point complaining when some of us look at the other side of that. Sauce for the goose …..

          • Mynydd

            Many extremist’s righties that comment here are still upset that when the Daily Mail attacked Mr Miliband’s immigrant father, he had the bottle to stand up to the right wing conservative supporting paper and forced them to back down. Of course he had practice when he alone stood up and called out News International

            • Nicholas chuzzlewit

              Except they didn’t back down and repeated the story you witless idiot.

            • HJ777

              They didn’t attack his father because he was an immigrant. They did so because of his political views. The headline was overblown, but the article itself was rather less so.

              The hypocrisy of Miliband was in evidence in that spat, when he claimed that his family background shouldn’t be bought into politics because we should be concentrating on the “cost of living crisis”. So in supposedly defending his father and pretending to be hurt, he took the opportunity to repeat his new political slogan. I might have had some sympathy for him – but he blew that chance by his obvious hypocrisy.

            • JamesdelaMare

              The judgments of the editorial people on the Daily Mail often leave quite a lot to be desired. Even on which comments they accept they are astonishingly erratic, and don’t seem to do much to ensure the high standing of the paper to judge from the quality of a lot of their readers.

      • Nicholas chuzzlewit

        Nicely done Shazza you have captured Miliband and his coterie of frauds perfectly.

      • Mynydd

        Class war is to take from the lower and middle classes to give to the upper class via a 5% tax giveaway.

        • HJ777

          I thought that income tax allowances had been increased substantially and employees NI contribution rates frozen for low and medium earners by this government.

          Wasn’t it Gordon Brown who increased the income tax and NI burden for the low paid and who kept the top rate 5% below the current top rate for the whole of his chancellorship?

          Tell me, was Brown waging “class war” on lower earners?

          • Nicholas chuzzlewit

            She doesn’t do facts and objectivity. She is just a propagandist for the Labour Party.

          • Mynydd

            Mr Brown reduced the basic rate income tax to 20% fact, to the benefit of the lower and middle classes. Mr Brown/Darling increased the top rate to 50% to help reduce the deficit. If this rate was wrong why did it take Mr Cameron/Osborne 3 years to reduce it to 45%. This reduction of 5% didn’t help the lower or middle classes only those at the top.

            • HJ777

              Brown simultaneously increased employees NI contributions and deliberately did not increase tax allowances in line with inflation, hence there was no benefit to low earners from a reduction in the basic rate of income tax. Then he doubled the 10p rate (a gimmick which was more complex and less efficient at helping the poor than a personal allowance rise) in order to fund the 20p rate, thus hitting the lowest paid.

              The 50% top rate was not introduced to lower the deficit because Darling increased it not when the deficit was climbing, but just before the general election. It was reduced after three years precisely because analyses showed that it raised ‘approximately nothing’.

              If Brown believed that the 50p rate was a good idea and would raise revenue and not hurt the economy, why did he not introduce it years earlier and use the extra revenue to fund raised personal allowances for low and medium earners?

            • Colonel Mustard

              Lies.

      • Makroon

        I doubt the “posh boy” jibes have any traction at all with the vast majority of the population. But the fact that Cameron chooses to surround himself with a clique of talent-free, Eton fops, probably does not go unnoticed.

    • Mynydd

      Please explain how Labour knew that there would be no Conservative women ministers on the front bench.

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