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PMQs: Ed Miliband wants belief in climate change to be an article of faith

26 February 2014

1:17 PM

26 February 2014

1:17 PM

Ed Miliband again went on climate change and the floods at Prime Minister’s Questions. Miliband believes that Cameron is vulnerable on this subject, that people will notice how Cameron – who used to say ‘Vote Blue, Go Green’ – has now gone cold on this issue.

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But the danger for Miliband is that he is, perhaps, too passionate about the subject. He asked David Cameron if you had to ‘believe’ in man-made climate change to serve in the current government. Miliband’s use of the word ‘believe’ is rather telling, he wants this treated more like an article of faith than anything else.

Then, there’s the fact that the measures that follow from the belief that man-made climate change is a clear and present danger are not popular. Indeed, Miliband’s most popular policy—his energy price freeze—goes against what you should do if climate change is this serious threat. If it is, then you should want the price of carbon based energy to increase rapidly. If Miliband wants to keep talking about climate change, he is going to have to square this circle. ​


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  • Paddy S

    Cardinal Pell got it right – its a pagan belief system that hates West and economic progress. As for Miliband could it be that if the claims are proven to be exaggerated then that means his years in office were nothing but a mad tax payer funded attempt to give him a job….

  • Peter Stroud

    Further to my comment made yesterday, we learn that a founder member of Greenpeace has renounced the entire CAGW case. Dr Patrick Moore, a scientist, makes a very reasoned case at: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/02/26/confessions-of-a-greenpeace-droput-to-the-u-s-senate-on-climate-change/#more-103850
    It is worth a read.

  • Frank

    Perhaps electing Miliband is the necessary last straw to ensure that England rises up! Asking whether they believe in all the green stuff could be a very quick and easy test before they are lobbed into the Thames.

  • Conway

    You surely don’t expect joined up thinking from Labour, do you? Their last 13 years of government should have disabused you of any idea that they are capable of it.

  • David Booth.

    Coming soon- “Are You Now Or Have You Ever Been A Member Of A Climate Change Sceptic Group?” Apologies to the late Senator McCarthy.

    • Cis

      Little Ed’s Maoist instincts are peeking out from under the greenery. Next step will be re-education camps.

  • Peter Stroud

    Miliband is an idiot, a dangerous idiot: so are all the left wingers who claim that there is scientific evidence, that connects bad weather with AGW. There is no causal connection, no scientific evidence. Both the IPCC and our Met Office admit this. Only Dame Julia Slingo is out of step. Perhaps she is a prime example of the Peter Principle, and might consider early retirement.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      …well, by your definition, the Camerloons are left wingers, because they’re all on on this global warmingism madness.

  • Smithersjones2013

    Like all obsessive extremists, Miliband is driven by the narcissistic compulsion to impose his will on everybody else. The British people will soon tire of his deranged delusions.

    • Makroon

      Before or after he makes Prime Minister – that is the question.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …perhaps before, if you Camerluvvies don’t split the UKIP vote.

  • HookesLaw

    I think people have missed a rare good point from Mr Forsyth … Milibands ‘price freeze’ is a load of baloney filled hypocrisy.

    • Conway

      Miliband steered the Climate Change Act through when he was at the DECC. It is hypocrisy of the first water to claim that he is doing something because energy bills are too high. They would not be so high if he hadn’t saddled us with green taxes in the first place! My energy bills state 20% of the bill is green tax.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      …and your mate Dave was quick to try to match his stupidity, envirowhacko socialist that he is.

  • ohforheavensake

    Or, in other words, Milliband had the best of the exchanges in PMQs today again, and you’re trying to find a way to soften the news for your readership.

    • Conway

      I had the misfortune to be in the room when this shouting match was going on. I do not recognise your description of events.

  • Swiss Bob

    Miliband is the dangerous antidemocratic nutter.

  • Tom Tom

    I am happy to believe that concreting over so much of the country
    creates an Urban Heat Island (UHI) Effect and that loss of green space
    and rainwater run-off has intensified humidity and precipitation etc. I
    am also happy to accept that logging and forest clearances in Indonesia
    and Brazil have had climate effects together with the scale of China’s
    expansion brining the largest industrial workforce in history to the
    marketplace.

    What I do NOT accept is that Britain or Germany have to make amends or bankrupt themselves in an act of civilisational suicide.

    • HookesLaw

      Correct and Germany isn’t, its building coal fired power stations. Labour were negligent for 13 years about power generation.

      • Nicholas chuzzlewit

        Not only that, a lot of these new power stations will burn lignite. The German greens must be livid about that but the needs of those idiots are soon swept away when Bosch, Mercedes, BMW etc etc tell the government that they need cheaper energy to remain competitive.

  • Tom Tom

    The Book of Common Prayer was never an option for Miliband but a Liturgy involving The Climate Change Act 2008 is Neo-Paganism run riot

    • HookesLaw

      I see where you are coming from. Let’s unite … No pun intended … and keep him out of power.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …your boy Dave is bringing on the same global warmingist stupidity, so what difference?

  • Kitty MLB

    Milipede clearly believes he is King Canute,
    foolish little man.
    What is it with that bunch and their obsession with the colour of bile,
    vote blue, get green, vote red get green, yellow and get green-
    and the utter hypocrisy of miiband, how much trouble did he cause
    when he was energy minister. Its all just a fallacy based on lies, deceit and blackmail.
    As her ladyship said so eloquently we had glaciers 11,000 years ago,
    the dinosaurs were wiped out by a ice age, in the 6 th Century
    Britain suffered very bad flooding, heat waves , and snow storms, a climate
    chaos- its all utter balderdash.

    • Tom Tom

      King Canute was a very wise man surrounded by exceedingly ingratiating
      and fawning courtiers. I fail to see how Miliband is like King Canute

      • Kitty MLB

        Perhaps I am incorrect, I thought he was the king who
        thought he could move the tides.

        • Tom Tom

          Quite the opposite in fact

        • LadyDingDong

          A common misconception – Knut was attempting to show his fawning courtiers that even he, the King, could not alter nature.

          • Kitty MLB

            Well I owe the King a very humble apology.

            • LadyDingDong

              We sensible sceptics are all Knuts, whereas Miliband, most of his party, and, alas, many in the Conservative party, could be considered as a phonetic anagram of this wise old King.

        • Nicholas chuzzlewit

          Hi Kitty, Canute was a wise fellow who, tired of sycophantic courtiers, demonstrated the limitations of his powers by setting up his throne on the beach to order back the tides which, of course, chose not to oblige. Over time, he seems to have acquired the undeserved reputation of an egomaniac whereas he was actually a king of some humility. Miliband should however take a leaf out of his book. Sitting on the shore talking to waves would allow him a more intelligent conversation than he would have with Harmon, Balls etc and he would do less damage to Britain.

          • Kitty MLB

            Nicholas, This king sounds far too wise for Milipede and the rest of the knaves, he would have probably been told
            that he was out of touch.

    • Conway

      The Romans grew grapes in north Britain. All those 4×4 quadrigas, I suppose.

      • Kitty MLB

        And they brought black pudding with them! they
        ate that in ancient Rome to warm them up, because
        sometimes it got very cold ( don’t tell Milipede)

    • Makroon

      Ahem ! I feel your geology and paleaontology could do with some work, but not to worry, Red dismisses the lot and cleaves to a small group of synthetics who have labelled themselves “climatologists” (think “Scientology”).
      And let’s add vote green to your list, which ‘gets’ psychadelic purples and oranges with high council taxes and random nuttery.

  • David B

    So the position of EdM is you must agree with me to get a job! Not really democracy at work.

  • rtj1211

    His argument is: ‘the scientists say it’s true, I’m too thick to examine critically what the scientists’ true evidence is, so I trust them uncritically’.

    It’s always a good idea to trust people uncritically.

    Ask Neville Chamberlain. Ask the Russian People. Ask the Chagossians of Diego Garcia.

    • Hexhamgeezer

      ‘Chagossians’? Another faux group like the ‘Palestinians’

    • Tom Tom

      Why should i ask the control-freak Neville Chamberlain ? He was a
      Metallurgist. He had a strong background in social policy and abolished
      The Poor Law, and hoped to have a slum clearance programme underway to
      match his creation of Industrial Parks like Trafford Park in Salford.

      I fail to understand why you think a man who died of stomach cancer in November 1940 is relevant to this thread

      • Wessex Man

        my you are in a right old paddy!

    • Greenslime

      I recall that it was scientists said that it was perfectly fine for bovines to eat the rendered remains of other bovines.

  • BarkingAtTreehuggers

    Let’s not use these words, shall we?

    It makes an increasing number of people from an enriched and culturally diverse background go all edgy whilst resulting in a socio-political inability to think straight and tackle the issues we actually face.

    • Richard_Spain

      ¿Qué?

      • BarkingAtTreehuggers

        Amigos!
        No usemos estas palabras, ¿de acuerdo?
        Hace que un número creciente de personas de un fondo enriquecido y culturalmente diversa ir todo nervioso, mientras que resulta en una incapacidad socio-política para pensar con claridad y hacer frente a los problemas que encaramos en realidad.

        (courtesy of Google translate)

        • MirthaTidville

          Thank you..it made far more sense in Spanish..

          • Makroon

            Spanish – a language made for bullshit.

        • Richard_Spain

          I’m astonished at the quality of the text produced by Google Translate.

  • RavenRandom

    How did the Labour party ever elect this fool?

    • Fergus Pickering

      Did you see what else was on offer?

    • MirthaTidville

      How did they elect him?..Trade unions

  • huktra

    Where do you think he is sticking his finger?

    • Nicholas chuzzlewit

      Well he doesn’t have enough brains to find his own backside.

  • LadyDingDong

    I believe in climate change, because only a fool, who was unaware that 11,000 years ago there were glaciers where I am currently typing, would not. I am sceptical about man as a primary cause of current climate conditions, but even if I did believe it, I don’t really see much point in spending all my money on changing my behavior when 90% of the rest of the world will not. I also recall hosepipe bans a few years ago and claims that there would be water shortages for ever and now I can’t leave my house without an umbrella. In short, I believe we face each day anew and cope with whatever nature throws at us. I believe in man’s ability to survive extremes and norms but I do not believe that faith, in and of itself, is a viable or appropriate reason to justify radical and very costly change – only facts should do that.

    • Shazza

      Fits in perfectly with my oft repeated mantra – the Party of Mass Destruction aka Labour Party. Never, ever, forget this.

    • Nicholas chuzzlewit

      Well said your ladyship. Climate change for sensible, rational people and ‘man made’ climate change for sanctimonious, hypocritical, ignorant left-wing nutters. Labour the party of lies, lying and liars.

      • Kitty MLB

        Indeed, Nicholas, Labour are just that.
        Hand wringing fools, obsessed with saving a planet, whose
        climate has been changing since the beginning of time.
        Perhaps they should concentrate on saving mankind before
        they send us back to the dark ages, surrounded by rotting
        wind farms and living by candlelight, freezing to death.

        • Conway

          “Climate change” has taken on the mantle of religion. It has its heretics (“deniers”) who must be hunted down and cleansed of their unorthodox thinking. I sometimes think that currently sceptics are in the position of Galileo vs Pope Urban VIII.

    • rtj1211

      Have you ever wondered about the concept of glacier advance and glacier retreat?? Is the world only ‘good’ when they have advanced as far as possible?? How fertile is the world then, how much colder is it then??

      Scotland had glaciers once, the whole Rhone valley was once a glacier, a glacier extended the whole way down the Lauterbrunnen valley to Interlaken once.

      Before that, we have had warm times too.

      Glaciers advance and retreat, it’s what nature does.

    • Richard_Spain

      I couldn’t have put it better myself. I am with you all the way.

    • Kitty MLB

      Absolutely excellent post, as usual your ladyship.

    • HookesLaw

      Yes the climate changes but not catastrophicaly … Well not until the next ice age anyway.
      Lefty Miliband likes ‘climate change’ because its a convenient stick to use to control us.
      But until real scientists speak out we should see the problem the right wing side of this govt faces. The floods are already being mischaractarised .

      • Wessex Man

        erm, didn’t Call me Dave get the Huskies out and doesn’t boy George’s father in law own oddles and oddles of wind farms and didn’t Tim but dim Yeo get the push by local Tories because of his fantastic wealth created by “green energy.”

        • HookesLaw

          Tim Yeo? Sadly Labour do not have a monopoly of disreputable MPs. I am ashamed of Yeo.
          Look there is nothing wrong with careing about the environment and publicising that fact. In itself that is important. But we have to recognise the pernicious effect of the bowdlerisation of science. Various govt official scientists peddle global warming, it needs proper objective scientists to put their heads above the parapet.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            Your personal hero Call Me Dave is one of those peddling the global warming kookiness, which is one of the many, many reasons his head is going to be mounted on a spike, 14.25 months from now.

    • Rillian

      I often wonder how many people in Britain realise that there are Stone Age camps and animal remains under our North Sea. It didn’t used to be there. Go back even further and Britain was completely covered in 100’s of feet of ice.

      All that aside, shutting down polluting factories here and moving them to China or India, where there are virtually no pollution restrictions, seems to me like ‘out of sight, out of mind’.

      To then tax us to the hilt, in the name of carbon, while these factories continue and our jungles and forests are burned at a rate of hundreds of feet a day, seems more than a little disingenuous to me and therefore makes me extremely sceptic to believe any of it.

      It seems to me that some less than scrupulous humans are taking advantage of our short life span and our short, limited view of the Earth and its climate changes.

  • http://www.CaerphillyPreserves.co.uk/ No Good Boyo

    Here’s Millie’s error: nobody outside Westminster and the Guardian takes this bollox seriously any more.

    • Shazza

      We used to say ’empty vessels make the most noise’…..

      • DWWolds

        That phrase has been going through my mind in the past few days. Milliminor seems to be going out of his way to prove it.

      • Kitty MLB

        And ignorance likes company.
        Which is why there seems as if there are so many of these noisy Leftie
        hairy mammoths.

    • Whyshouldihavetoregister

      Well, not quite. Guy Keleny’s ‘Errors and Omissions’ column for the Indy is entertaining, except when he reveals himself to be a Fascist ignoramus on ‘climate change’ (in inverted commas to distinguish it from actual climate change.)

    • Barakzai

      You’re right, but 35 electors out of 100 will still put their ‘x’ against the Labour candidate’s name in the GE next year. (Well, less than 35; large numbers of the socialist dependency will already have ‘voted’ by proxy, of course).

      Nothing Dave does will alter this guaranteed number of Labour votes, and the return to government of Miliband, Balls, Cooper, Harman, Burnham et al; anything the Tories offer will be recklessly outbid by the unprincipled heirs to Brown, up to and including free money for all (except whoever the Eds define as ‘rich’).

      Dave really does need to talk to Nige. (Cue apoplexy from Hooky).

      • Makroon

        They are not “the heirs to Brown”, they are the self-same Brown gang. If they return to power, expect Brown to be rewarded with a top job. EU commissioner ? head of the IMF ? UN special envoy to Africa ?

        • Nicholas chuzzlewit

          Be fair, it would be far too dangerous to have the idiot doing worthwhile work like stacking shelves, sweeping the streets etc etc. He simply is not capable of doing anything productive and useful for society.

        • Fergus Pickering

          Pope? Heir to Simon Cowell?

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