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Nigel Farage: We can win the European elections

28 February 2014

28 February 2014

Nigel Farage likes to argue he’s not a normal politician. He says what he thinks and what other people think too. He certainly didn’t do what other politicians are trying to do ahead of the European elections, which is expectation management. Instead, he set the bar pretty darn high for Ukip, telling his party’s spring conference in Torquay that ‘we can cause an earthquake on May 22nd by winning the European elections’, adding ‘if we top those polls, it will then give us the momentum to drive us forward to the general election a year after that’. He has set Ukip a big challenge there because if the party doesn’t come first, then regardless of how well the Tories do, they can deflect the attention onto Ukip. He then set himself an even bigger challenge by saying he’d resign if Ukip failed to get an MP elected in 2015.

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The Ukip leader’s speech was one of his more impressive offerings after a slightly disappointing performance at the party’s autumn conference, although according to the Guardian’s Andy Sparrow, the press conference Farage gave this afternoon was a little testy.

His section on Europe showed how difficult it is for David Cameron to try to make a nuanced case for staying in a reformed EU. He described European Commission Vice-President Viviane Reding as his ‘pin-up’, and when someone in the audience booed the mention of Reding, he exclaimed:

‘Don’t boo her! She’s marvellous! Look, she’s a godsend sir, what are you talking about?’

The Ukip leader has had to adjust his message after the ‘deluge’ of Romanian and Bulgarian migrants failed to be quite as dramatic as some of his predictions suggested (although he and Paul Nuttall still expect the numbers to increase from April). But fortunately yesterday’s migration statistics were another godsend. He told the conference that ‘it isn’t directly Romania and Bulgaria that I’m necessarily concerned about. What I’m really concerned about is the fact in the eurozone, in the Mediterranean there is no sign or prospect of any significant recovery at all.’

He was also very optimistic about the party’s increased professionalism and the number of women who are rising stars in Ukip, too. But there are still signs that Ukip isn’t fully grown up: accidentally adopting a slogan once used by the BNP, for instance, and trying to chuck journalists out of certain fringes. And Farage also grew very grumpy when grilled on the role that Neil Hamilton will be playing in the Ukip campaign. But he clearly thinks that it’s safe to be clear he’s going for gold in May, rather than play down Ukip’s chances in the hope of surprising everyone.


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  • Ant Harrison

    I’m note sure the journalists had the right spelling when they reported Farage saying “If we top those polls”

  • jamesbarn

    How much lower can we sink

    As Churchill said in 45 “This is our finest hour”
    He was a proper statesman, unlike the present shower
    These sycophantic Europhiles have bought us to our knees
    Now Cameron’s asking Merkle “Can we have some power please”

    I need to go back with a ruse to stem the UKIP flood
    The whole backbench will rise as one baying for my blood
    They want a referendum, not tomorrow but today
    I need to claim a victory to keep them all at bay

    We’ll fill it all with weasel words to let you off the hook
    I know it’s smoke and mirrors but its how we make it look
    You need to help me out here Ange, as PM I must stay
    If I should lose then kiss goodbye to 50 Mill a day

    This UKIP mob have pulled the rug from underneath my feet
    If I can’t claim a victory here I’m staring at defeat
    This Ferage chaps percentage vote is going through the roof
    I just don’t understand it, all he does is tell the truth

    I’ve lied and cheated schemed and stalled and gave a cast iron vow
    The cat alas is out the bag and no one trusts me now
    It’s time for you and Rumpy to step up to the plate
    With false negotiation spin before it gets too late

    Cameron is in an utter panic and will say anything in the hope it might get UKIP supporters to return. Firstly he cannot discriminate against Romanians/Bulgarians so any action he takes MUST apply to ALL immigrants and possibly UK citizens. Failure to do so would be deemed racist. Those from the EU have a legal right to all benefits available to our own citizens. Secondly the Children’s Act would make it illegal not to offer accommodation to families regardless of where they come from. Thirdly and something I am sure he will evade in his next speech is the fact that if he makes social housing unavailable for families he MUST put families up in the private sector for which the tax payer will be funding. Stand by for yet another speech of useless propaganda and phoney sound bites.
    UKIP was right all along Barosso will tell Cameron to piss off

    • the viceroy’s gin

      Yes, Dave’s in a panic. I wonder if he’s been given an ultimatum, as far as the EU election? Nothing formal, you understand, but a few quiet words from one member, speaking for a large number? He’s crippled his party, failed to defeat a much hated one eye and his gaggle of incompetents, vaporized party membership in mass quantities, had them shamed in 2013 local elections, run them down to 3rd and 4th choice in by elections, and set them up to get steamrolled in EU and local elections in 2014, as well as the general in 2015.

      There’s an end to this guy’s failure and incompetence. It’s only a matter of a triggering event, now.

      • Wessex Man

        Meanwhile our EU broithers across the channel in France are rounding up British Ski Instructers and throwing them in jail to protect Frence jobs, even though the French law courts admit all their documentation ‘is in order.’

        Free Markets don’t make me laugh!

        • Doggie Roussel

          Actually, Wessex Man, you are completely wrong.

          My youngest son is a fully qualified French ski instructor and has had to pass all the tests that the French need to achieve… in other words the teste tecnique and the Eurotest. These are very demanding tests of skiing ability and the French do not qualify about 90% of the applicants who are hoping the gain the full diploma.

          It is not surprising that very few British aspirant ski instructors achieve this level and those who now proclaim themselves to be ski instructors in France are simply not good enough skiers to achieve this level.

          The French are not only discerning about British wannabee ski instructors, they are just as rigourous about their own French citizens.

          My son spent 7 years gaining his full French skiing diploma and he justifiably condemns the cowboy British who seek to deprive the fully qualified of a living.

  • jamesbarn

    I wonder if I will be bared from here like I am from Conhome who do not like the truth

  • BarkingAtTreehuggers

    Wouldn’t we all wish for the UKIP doing just that?
    That will crack the Tories wide open and lay the foundations for independence in September. Merkel will henceforth welcome the Scots in Frankfurt and the Klitschko apostles in Berlin.

    — a small step for UKIP, a great leap towards a United States of Europe (!)

    • the viceroy’s gin

      …except for one thing, in September, you socialist nutters will vote to remain fixed on the teat of socialist government, as always.

  • foxoles

    As UKIP spokeswoman Suzanne Evans said yesterday on Daily Politics, not long ago UKIP were being caricatured as a fringe or protest group – and now, coming second of all the parties would somehow be a ‘failure’? Come on!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9IO8e9z84Y

    • BarkingAtTreehuggers

      Wythenshawe rattled the fruitjobs. Actual real world seats are not to be had in a FPTP system. Sorry, luv – that’s how ‘democracy’ plays out…

      • foxoles

        This article is about the European elections, which are not FPTP. As for ‘real world seats’, UKIP already have MEP seats, and will gain more in May.

        Troll off.

        • BarkingAtTreehuggers

          Amazing, so we agree: EU elections will deliver a democratic outcome, elections to Westminster do not.

          Sorry luv, that’s democracy for you…

          • Doggie Roussel

            Your mindset, Barking, is symptomatic of so many Tory Bufton-Tuftons and Herbert-Gussetts…. blind faith to traditional socio-economic voting patterns… in other words blind allegiance to the Tories; no matter how disgracefully they have traduced their voters.

            Labour’s traditional supporters, on the other hand are blinded by stupidity and lack of intelligence and will vote for anyone with a red rosette, despite the fact that many of those that they elect are blue-blooded patricians, spurned by their true parties or origin: Wedgewood-Benn, Tam Dalyell, Harperson, Gaitskell etc etc… all from families of distinction and privilege.

      • Wessex Man

        luv, that’s rather insulting isn’t? not ver pc labby is it. Then again foxholes is probably a UKip supporter which makes to you your childish reply fair.

        Meanwhile in the real world UKip membership is growing as the Lib/dum, Lab and Tory membership is falling.

      • Doggie Roussel

        UKIP came second, didn’t they… in a safe Labour seat… I believe that they took a big bite out of the traditional Labour vote.

  • Monkey_Bach

    UKIP will be SECOND after Labour with the Conservatives in third or forth place. From there on it will be all downhill. Pity really. I think Mr. Farage is a character and hysterically funny. Perhaps some TV channel ought to think about giving him a chat show.

    • Daniel Maris

      The only reason UKIP are where they are is because of mass immigration. Given the fact that mass immigration and subsequent population growth are having such far reaching effects in this country, I think your hope that it will be “all downhill” after the EU elections may be misplaced. Of course it will be difficult for UKIP to make a big impression in the General Election, not least because they will be excluded from the TV debates. But they will undoubtedly be the kingmakers/breakers, even if they score as little as 8%.

      • Monkey_Bach

        Comments like this are the only reason I visit this site. Thank you.

        • Wessex Man

          off you go then.

          • Monkey_Bach

            Another sincere thank you is called for methinks. I still think Nigel should be given his own chat show. He could easily become the British equivalent of the American Jerry Springer with very little plastic surgery.

            • Wessex Man

              how charming you little monkey you! The Westminster Village would have a collective faint and expire if Farage were to be given his own Chat Show. It would certainly top the ratings unlike the feeble Question Time.

              That’s such a good idea, I’m going to float it past party leaders.

              • Monkey_Bach

                Well I would definitely watch Nigel’s chat show whether late night or otherwise… although for somewhat different reasons than you perhaps.

  • Fergus Pickering

    Of course Nige will win. I shall vote for him and so should all of you.

    • starfish

      Trouble is the analysts chatterers meeeja and bien pensants living within the m25 have no concept of what the country at large thinks of the established parties. May will be a huge shock to the but not to joe public

    • Kitty MLB

      Oh its un filleted Fergus! the latest one to be netted the growing shoals of Kipperdom.
      To capture a Cameroon would be the icing on a fruitcake ( A Joke, Fishy Friends) They would like that, dangling a fish in front of a cat ! If thou doth torment them the utter cruelty would be comparable and you know that, yes you do.
      I assume we do not have a little plotting pixie in our midst. Nigel would never recover.

      • Fergus Pickering

        No pixie I!. Go Nigel go!

        • Kitty MLB

          You are Mr plotting, posting, pixie Pickering-
          that has a ring to it and I am sticking to it.
          ‘Go Nigel go!’ Well he needs to keep on the
          move, doesn’t he, the chap hardly has a seat to have
          a little rest on, does he, Mr PPPP.

  • Raddiy

    You talk about UKIP not being grown up, when in reality you are simply questioning the failure of UKIP complying to what you prescribe to be the norm.

    If you go back over the years, when the norm for the media was to be critical of everything about UKIP, and if you couldn’t find any behviour that could be defined as abnormal by establishment standards, then blowing minor incidents out of all proportion, or even outright lying, was always available as the fall back position.

    The fact is, everything that has been used by the establishment and the media to expose ‘abnormal’ behaviour by UKIP, has fallen flat on its backside.

    All that has really happened after 20 years of assault, is that the collective media have are realising it is counterproductive, but more importantly it is damaging to themselves to continue to be the media patsy for their political friends.

    It is precisely because we haven’t conformed to what you consider the norm, that we are were we are today. Nobody would be talking about immigration if we hadn’t persevered with the narrative, and as for ‘Love Britain’, well put it alongside ‘ fruitcake’. We love fruitcake, we can’t get enough of it, and we love Britain, and are proud to say so.

    • BarkingAtTreehuggers

      You do?
      In a ‘National British’ or a housewifey soft home furnishing kind of way?

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …as opposed to your socialist nutter kind of way?

  • Dacus

    Farage changed direction because he no longer could sell the lie that Romanians and Bulgarians would come in the UK in millions. However, the British media is still desperate to prove that A2 countries have significantly fuelled immigration. British journalists are either math illiterate or manipulative
    ONS statistics tell a different story and Farage, as a former banker, can read simple statistics.
    http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_352080.pdf
    Para 2.2 informs us:
    “Net migration of EU citizens has approximately doubled in the year ending September 2013 to 131,000 from 65,000 the previous year, a statistically significant
    increase. An estimated 209,000 citizens from the EU (excluding British) migrated to the UK in the year ending September 2013, a statistically significant increase from the 149,000 who immigrated in the previous year. This is the highest estimate of EU immigration since the IPS began in 1964. IPS estimates show that 53%, 34% and 12% of total EU immigration in the year ending September 2013 was accounted for by citizens of the EU15, EU8 and EU2 respectively.

    In other words, The statistical significant increase was fuelled by the migration from the rich WESTERN European countries, that account more than half (53%) of new immigrants. From Poland and the rest of E8 came 34% of immigrants, another big number, a third of total.. Romanians and Bulgarian represented only 12% of the EU migrants, an insignificant proportion (roughly 1 out of 10 EU migrants). 9 out of10 EU immigrants don’t come from Romania or Bulgaria.
    That explains Farage’s change.

    QED

    • rtj1211

      Your argument is a bit stupid, since rights for Romanians and Bulgarians to come only started on January 1st 2014. So you are saying that the numbers are small when visas would have been required for them to work here.

      Wait until the September 2014 figures before you make false judgements, kind sir.

      • Dacus

        Romanians and Bulgarians had the right to travel without visa and work in the UK as self employed since 2007. Romanians and Bulgarians who wanted to work are already here. It is the old, rich Europe that is coming in large numbers (53%), something that the UKIP or the Tories pretend it doesn’t happen.
        No surprise that tante Merkel said Nein to anything Cameron was proposing.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          …no surprise to you socialist authoritarians, for sure. It’s just the plan.

  • Makroon

    “Love Britain” eh ? Nice one Nige.
    That must be why your trolls on a hundred comment boards across the internet do nothing but tear the country down and deny any good news.

    • Raw England

      When we say ‘Love Britain’, we as a people are saying we love Britain proper; AKA, White, mildy Nationalist, prosperous, intelligent, safe, happy, with strongly knit community and national cohesion.

      That’s how OUR Britain has ALWAYS been. And that’s what native British are referring to.

      Cheers.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      Why do you Camerluvvies deflect righteous criticism with this sort of whimpering? You do realize it weakens you, don’t you?

  • global city

    Newsnight are at it again.

    The BBC are out to get UKIP.

    Is this anti-democratic obsession going to be allowed to continue?

    • Lady Magdalene

      Channel 4 News was an absolute disgrace this evening.
      But The Establishment will do nothing to stop it. They are terrified of UKIP and the British people rebelling against LibLabCON’s anti-democratic stitch up.
      The only way we can legitimately fight back is to ignore LibLabCON and vote UKIP at every opportunity.

      • James Allen

        Unfortunately I have to agree with Crick that employing heavies to block his path is going beyond the bounds of civilised behaviour. They’ll have to stamp that sort of thing out. It’s perfectly understandable of course… he’s an irritating twerp, a socialist mudslinger… but why not revoke his Press pass? You could make an exception for him…. he’s obviously riled Farage, as if the incident with Bloom last year wouldn’t make them want to throttle him, and he wanders around causing chaos and badgering people to the extent you could probably get a restraining order put on him. Just revoke his invitation, or somehow find a way of putting up with him, but don’t employ heavy-handed tactics… it’s not cricket.

        • Raddiy

          I would have thought it would be easy to deal with Crick. Just to the same to him. It shouldn’t be too difficult for a group of Kippers to sit on his every movement for a couple of weeks, and expose his every minor indiscretion.

          I have no doubt somebody who thinks he is entitled to behave as he likes to others, will be the first to complain if others do the same to him.

        • James Allen

          I am also very disappointed by the recycling of the BNP slogan; if it was a genuine mistake, they should apologise, not suggest (laughably) they are trying to ‘reclaim’ the slogan. Frankly an appalling day for a Ukipper, in my view. I will not be renewing my membership, even though I still believe fervently that we need to leave the EU.

          • Steve Lloyd

            Oh grow up, patriotism is neither a dirty word nor concept. Love Britain, vote UKIP.

        • Lady Magdalene

          I don’t make the decisions. I’m just a foot-soldier.

      • Raw England

        Was it the sneering Krishna Gury Murphy presenting? He despises White patriots.

        Most of the behind-the-scenes staff there also also, like Guru, immigrants. …

        • Monkey_Bach

          The great-grandfather of Ukip leader Nigel Farage was born to German parents who migrated to London in the 19th century. Without immigration we would have had no Farage.

          • Raw England

            White immigration is a completely different matter Monkey Bach…..

            • Monkey_Bach

              How many black Romanians and Bulgarians are there currently trying to enter the country?

              • Raw England

                K, you’re right. But, you know the vibe of what I’m saying.

          • starfish

            the point isn’t immigration 3 generations ago
            It is immigration NOW – is it really that difficult to understand?

            • Monkey_Bach

              There’s little point in slamming the stable door after the horse has bolted. Now if Nigel’s great-grandfather could have been kept out of the country I would quite probably have been up for every anti-immigration measure you could shake a stick at but since Nigel has been conceived, exists, and continues to make a spectacle out of himself, what’s the point?

    • James Allen

      Just watched Newsnight piece on iplayer. Typical hatchet-job. They don’t even pretend to be impartial these days.

      I must say, I stopped watching regularly a long time ago… got bored hearing the same old tripe every night…. used to watch it as a school-boy.

      • rtj1211

        Perhaps it is time to compile a case of the BBC breaking its charter of impartiality and enquiring as to which organisation has the power to punish the BBC suitably when presented with the evidence??

        • Lady Magdalene

          t’s Ofcom. Televised Broadcasting Code of Conduct on Impartiality – 5.1.
          I’ve complained but fat lot of good it will do.

      • Raddiy

        He certainly doesn;t appear to fully recovered from his operation.
        He said he was still very weak when being interviewed during the floods, although it was a comment he made when they were looking for bodies to do a bit of manual work, so it may have been a bit tongue in cheek.

      • fozz

        I agree. Saw it too. That Newsnight girl reporter made out that her own point put to Neil Hamilton that he slightly disagreed with re his role as a ‘back room boy’ implied that the whole of UKIP were at variance with each other. Appalling ‘news’ creation stunt.

      • Raw England

        Having to deal with the non-Whites and far-Left scum constantly, 24/7, might be taking its toll.

        • James Allen

          Please don’t post on my comments again. Your comment is borderline racist and stupid. Thank you.

          • Raw England

            K.

      • Wessex Man

        Thank you for caring, I was at Conference today, he told us that he had treatment the day before Conference, can’t imagine Call me Dave, Cleggover and the Gurner carrying on with Conference in those cricumstances!

  • Raw England

    Why is it a surprise that they kicked a load of nasty, politically correct journalists out of their discussion on Islam?

    You do know its actually illegal in this repulsive multicultural ‘society’ for people to say what they think about Islam and Muslims, right? Those journalists would’ve had UKIP members arrested merely for saying what all native English think about Islam. Literally.

    So of course its really, really no surprise they weren’t wanted.

    Also, the cogs are already in motion; the anger and rage against immigration and multiculturalism is now unstoppable.

    And in actual fact, UKIP are a very, VERY moderate alternative to what will happen should a native revolution take place.. .

  • London Calling

    Good Luck to Farage………….he may be outspoken but Britain needs to be heard however unpalatable that may be for some………..:)

  • Conway

    The Ukip leader has had to adjust his message after the ‘deluge’ of
    Romanian and Bulgarian migrants failed to be quite as dramatic as some
    of his predictions suggested (although he and Paul Nuttall still expect
    the numbers to increase from April).
    ” All that Farage said was that the populations of Romania and Bulgaria had the RIGHT to come, which is perfectly true.

    But fortunately yesterday’s
    migration statistics were another godsend
    ” What those migration statistics showed was that the increase in immigration was fuelled by Romanians and Bulgarians. Strange you didn’t mention that.

    • Dacus

      He did not mention because it is a lie of the British media and he is not that stupid to perpetuate a lie when there is an evidence of the contrary, the ONS statistics.
      Romanians and Bulgarians represent only 1 out of 10 new immigrants from the EU and 1 out of 20 if you take the total number
      http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_352080.pdf

      • Raddiy

        So the Romanians and Bulgarians with around 6% of the EU population were already making up some 10% of EU immigration to the UK before the 1st January 2014.

        With 968,000 Romanians in Italy making up 21% of EU immigration, and about 900,000 in Spain making up 14% of the EU Immigrant population starting to leave those basket case economies, I look forward to reading your explanation of the figures in 6 months time.

        • Dacus

          well, you don’t understand immigrants’ mentality. After making efforts to learn the language of a country and adapt to its society, they are not keen to move elsewhere, to start again the adaptation process. They will either return to Romania or weather the storm in Italy or Spain. Many have children in schools and colleges, and uprooting them is simply not possible

          • Raddiy

            Really!!,
            What might I ask makes you the fount of all knowledge on the subject.

            Since the data across the board is at best speculative, I find it amazing that you consider you have some insight into the personal circumstances surrounding the reasoning behind the 2 million Romanians who have left Romania since 2000.

            You can’t have it all ways, either the pro immigration crowd are telling us that they are mainly young people who contribute lots of tax, and consume little in the way of public services, or in this case you are using the exact opposite to support your argument why they are settling wherever.

            They are economic migrants, who move to improve themselves economically, they are now finding that the streets of Spain and Italy are not paved with gold and are starting to move out, especially in Spain, and you are saying they will move back to Romania to penury.

            Absolute rubbish, they will move where the economies are growing, just as we are seeing Greeks, Italians and Spanish immigrants increasing here since their economies went into freefall, and they will come here as well.

            Let’s just wait for 6 months and see the figures.

            • Dacus

              I am not a self appointed immigration “expert” like MigratinWatch Andrew Green (who fills his website with cut&paste articles from newspapers) but a Romanian who lived 20+ in UK, has insider knowledge of the Romanian community in Britain, and understands the migrant’s frame of mind because he was a migrant in the past.
              Secondly, Romania is not that poor, and has an economic growth of 5% while the UK has zero, nil, nada growth. Many Romanians are already returning home: http://www.thelocal.de/20140224/thousands-bulgarians-and-romanias-leave-germany-each-month
              To many people in the UK believe what media tells them instead to look at the real data and think from themselves. ONS and DWP data show clearly two things: West Europeans are coming en masse in UK and the same western Europeans are the real benefits tourists from the EU: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/275716/foi-5956-2013-response.xls
              Feel free to believe whatever you want on “Romanian invasion”, the truth is in the statistics.

  • Daniel Maris

    I think you’ll find all this momentum management is becoming irrelevant. Mass immigration is out of control. Farage correctly notes that a lot of people are concerned about the way mass immigration is changing the way their neighbourhood looks and feels.

    UKIP are being proved right by events – and that is always more powerful than events.

  • Lady Magdalene

    Farage said that UKIP “CAN” win the EU Elections ….. not that we will. There’s a difference.
    In some polls we have been shown 1st; in others 2nd and in one we were shown 3rd. Ergo, we COULD win, but we may not.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if Nigel decides to step down if we don’t win any seats in 2015. He’s been doing fronting UKIP for a very long time. The plane crash and subsequent operations must have had a considerable effect on his health and stamina.
    He’s played a blinder since resuming Party Leadership in 2010 and if he does go, he can go with his head held very high and with the respect of millions of British people.

    • Ricky Strong

      That image of him just after the crash, that’s how I imagine he will feel after he does finally vacate the political arena. Very, very few people would have the tenacity to take on Europe, the ‘Conservatives’, Labour, lead a political party, while being an MEP and juggling life’s daily tasks.

      Unlike so many, at least he can say ‘I tried’.

    • Steve Lloyd

      Absolutely, and upon exit would be more deserving of a standing ovation, than the one the odious Blair got.

  • Ricky Strong

    “after the ‘deluge’ of Romanian and Bulgarian migrants failed to be quite as dramatic as some of his predictions suggested”

    Am I on my own here? I could have sworn he said it would be ‘irresponsible to have an open door policy to some 29 million people from Romania and Bulgaria’. I honestly don’t recall him saying 29 million would flock here en masse in January.

    • Daniel Maris

      Quite – last year 10% of new jobs went to Romanians and Bulgarians. That’s what’s important.

      • Dacus

        and 90% to other people!

        • Fergus Pickering

          But 10% is a lot, considering how few Bulgarians and Romanians there are in the world.

          • Dacus

            They are working. What is wrong with that???? Oh, I forgot, Cameron and his Eton chummies think Romanians are “benefit tourist” (sic)..

            • crosscop

              Does standing on street corners shouting “Peeg Ishooo!” actually qualify as real work?

            • Fergus Pickering

              Some are working. Some are not. The large number of gypsies round Marble Arch appear to have no work except casual thieving.

            • berosos_bubos

              I think you mean working the benefits system.

      • Monkey_Bach

        Most Romanians and Bulgarians coming to this country were professional people – pharmacists, dentists, doctors – so their native lands are really the losers not the UK.

        • berosos_bubos

          What % ?

  • colliemum

    Immigration numbers – BBC hiding that they were receiving millions from the EU – the ongoing catastrophe in the Ukraine with the ‘assurance’ of Olli Rehn that he’d give them 4 billion €: the posters for the May election campaign print themselves.
    There’s nothing Cameron, the MSM or the EU can do about it – it’s remorseless.
    And they better not dream that we might have forgotten by May 22nd – we won’t!

    • HookesLaw

      Farage admits he feels uncomfortable in the presence of foreigners. His appeal is to racism.

      • Noa

        The Racism Equation is:

        Conservative + Labour + Mass Immigration = Population Change

        • Monkey_Bach

          What about the Liberal Democrats? Your equation doesn’t add up.

      • colliemum

        Yawn.
        The race card is overdrawn.
        Find something new.

      • Conway

        He didn’t actually say that, though, did he? He said he was uncomfortable that English wasn’t spoken.

        • alabenn

          Hookeslaw is becoming ever more like a socialist by the day, deliberately attributing different meanings to others words is standard Labour practice, actually it is just straightforward lies, and he knows this.

      • Fergus Pickering

        Everybody feels uncomfortable in the presence of foreigners jabbering away in outlandish dialects, paricularly if they are wearing silly clothes.

      • Lady Magdalene

        Cameron and the Eton brigade feel uncomfortable in the presence of British plebs. That’s why they surround themselves with other public school “toffs.”

  • Trapnel

    Good for Farage – he articulates what a lot of people think and this is what scares Lib Lab Con establishment types who prefer to tell people what to think.

  • Two Bob

    The BNP stole that logo. What is wrong with stealing it back?

    • HookesLaw

      Its a slogan. But its wrong. It should read ‘Love Labour? Vote UKIP’

      • Conway

        No it should be “love the EU, vote Labour, Conservative or LibDem”.

      • saffrin

        It should read, ‘Vote LibLabCon get Brussels’.

      • serialluncher

        Hehe.

      • Wessex Man

        Yes Hooky very very funny, let’s see if you are still sneering after May 2014, September 2014 and May 2015.

  • Smithersjones2013

    although according to the Guardian’s Andy Sparrow, the press conference Farage gave this afternoon was a little testy.

    Raving liberal Guardian journo finds fault in centre right politician. Go figure!

    and trying to chuck journalists out of certain fringes.

    Excluding journalists has nothing to do with professionalism for gods sake. If Jack Ashley and Alex Ferguson can ban various parts of the media from their clubs/ press conferences respectively why can’t politicians do the same? After all I suspect the average IQ of a sports journalist is double that of the usual partisan propagandist dross that freeloads as political journalists. Voters don’t give a crap really whether some dimwit journo managed to get into a fringe event (and if its Crick he should be banned from Torquay completely, nasty piece of smeg that he is.). An ignorant and unpleasant media despite what they think haven’t got a god given right to stick their nose in every corner of society or politics and its about time they learnt that lesson!

    • Lady Magdalene

      Yes it was Crick …. Channel; 4 News was the usual 5-minute unbroken smear attempt on UKIP.

      Complain to Ofcom that C4News broke the Broadcasting Code 5.1 Rules relating to due impartiality and due accuracy in news

      • rtj1211

        The BBC are doing it over Ukraine too. Unelected ‘Prime Ministers’ and ‘demonstrators’ in Kiev and ‘gunmen’ in Crimea.

        The BBC overtly promotes coup d’etat and expects ethnic Russians to accept the overthrow of their President and to do what they are told by unelected mountebanks.

        I’m sure Lord Reith would have approved.

        He might well have, actually: he was of the Empire generation, after all.

    • Conway

      So are the Tories going to sue Labour for the “One Nation” tag?

      • rtj1211

        I doubt it, but anyone who matters knows how Miliband came up with the slogan: pure theft of material intended for others.

    • Tim Reed

      It’s desperate stuff, isn’t it.

      “Love Britain”. Those two words just scream out their racist subtext.

      In fact, it’s tantamount to hate speech, I think you’ll find.

      Mr. Farage should expect a visit from the Met’s Hate Crimes Division shortly.

      • starfish

        Eh? ‘Love britain’ is racist? Only in your mind I suspect

      • Lady Magdalene

        What’s wrong with loving your country?
        Americans love their country. They never miss an opportunity to pledge allegiance to the flag and declare their love. Are they all racists? Even Black Americans?

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …I don’t think they got your subtlety. 😉

      • Tim Reed

        Check your sarcasm detectors, folks.

  • global city

    Isabel, you know, and we know that you know that the whole EU migrant issue was to highlight the fact that the UK government had given up control or influence on the whole issue to the EU. It is not about immigration as such, even numbers, it is about a central issue of sovereignty and statehood. The MSM happily twisted the issue into one of immigrants…. so the country lost a valuable chance to add to it’s understanding of how far into the EU supranational entity we really are.

    I hope that when the Lib Dems have their conference you are going to make sure that they start their promotion of our membership from the basis of being haappy to cede (not pool) powers, lose sovereignty to a higher authority (not fight our corner at the heart, etc)… and just pull them when ever they try to mask their federal fetishes behind intergovernmental or even nationalist language?

    Will you? Will the other Spectator journalists? Will anybody in the wider MSM? We know that the BBC will not, so please, do your duty, as investigative journalists if nothing more.

  • @PhilKean1

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2569874/Dave-utterly-deluded-thinks-Iron-Chancellors-going-help-end-Euro-nightmare.html

    Heffer says there is no longer any reason to delay the referendum.

    I say, there never was any reason to delay the referendum if Britain’s national interest is the first priority.
    .

    • @PhilKean1

      .
      Not that I believe we need, or should hold a referendum to have returned those sacred powers that were stolen from us without asking our permission.
      .

    • Tony_E

      There was never any reason because renegotiation is never going to happen. However, there is no parliamentary majority for a referendum so you won’t get one. And there won’t be after 2015, so you won’t get one then.

      So what’s the next strategy? Logically with UKIP failing to make much impact on their own terms in 2015 (the most likely outcome as Labour will probable romp home), they will have to spend 5 years building a proper ground base and slowly coming to an agreement with the post Cameroon Conservatives. Either that or it’s going to be 2024/5 before there is a chance to see a proper referendum.

      You won’t see any repatriation without an article 50 declaration, you won’t get an article 50 declaration without a parliamentary majority. And whether article 50 is still in play in 2025 is anyone’s guess, because with a Labour government in 2015 the treaty change needed might be rammed through without a referendum too. Without an article 50 process (or similar), leaving the EU will be very messy and based on us simply pulling up the drawbridge unilaterally, which will be made painful by our ‘friends’ across the water (in both directions).

      • the viceroy’s gin

        All good stuff and I agree with your event structure, but you’d have to agree that a UKIP romp in the EP elections in 2.5 months time (not to mention in local elections), would set them up to be an even louder voice in the EP, and even more so as the newly elected grumps from the other nations start being grumpy right alongside them. It’s a potential force multiplier, and that coming grumpiness shouldn’t be underestimated. That’s why you’ll see Merkel out tending the flock these days. She’s worried.

        Now does this change the event string you mention? Probably not, but it might affect the timing and magnitude of the events. If the EU is an issue, it obviously brings votes to UKIP in 2015. It brings the Cameroons that much closer to collapse and a potential mass defection scenario. Yes, there are tribalists who will never move, perhaps near 20% of the electorate will vote for them even if Castro was put in place of Dave. But that leaves a good 15-20 points available to UKIP, plus what they already had, plus what the LD’s and Lab surrender. It is plausible that Lab could be held to a minority, and also plausible that the LD count wouldn’t make a majority for them. BOOM… article 50 in 2015.

        There’s a lot of ifs in that scenario, but events have potential to bring ifs to fruition. And I’m really counting on LibLabCon to really screw up huge, in the near term here. They’re capable of it because they’re greedy and stupid, and they’ll be under pressure, and that leads to screwups.

  • AnotherDave

    The number of Romanians and Bulgarians in the UK increased by 41% in 2013, before transition controls were lifted in January 2014. UKIP’s prediction is still on track.

    http://www.migrationwatchuk.co.uk/press-release/377

    • Dacus

      I strongly recommend you to avoid MigrationWatch that copy/paste lies from the media and go directly to ONS statistics. They tell the true story:
      http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_352080.pdf

      • starfish

        I srongly recommend not believing any official statistics on this subject especially those on the bbc

      • atticus1900

        Migration Watch have actually been the only organisation that has predicted immigration flows with any accuracy over the past ten years.
        I’ve used the ONS for post-grad studies. Needless to say obfuscation of figures abounds: I had to get my calculator out and work out the numbers for myself as they conveniently forgot the all-important bottom line in their reports!

  • asalord

    England votes for ukip – Scotland votes for independence.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      …the jocks are going to vote to stay fixed on the suckling teat of socialist government, lad. More’s the pity. They should want independence, like UKIP.

      But they don’t.

    • Raddiy

      With a bit of luck!

  • Two Bob

    Doesnt matter when or whether the R & B migrant did not ‘materialise’ Look at the recent immigration stats. EU migration has soared.

    • Lady Magdalene

      The Romanians and Bulgarians started arriving before the restrictions were lifted in January.
      Migration Watch confirmed that we are already on target for the 50,000 a year they have predicted.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        Yes, and I was amused that the Speccie teenager is claiming victory on the Rand B influx, you know, based upon the less than 60 days of data in hand since the gates were flung open. Do these Speccie kids ever feel shame about their rants, I wonder?

        • Tim Reed

          Quite. The Polish influx didn’t all occur in the first few months.

          It has been spread over the decade since 2004.

        • berosos_bubos

          it was up 44% on the year anyway

  • Guest

    ‘Europe will be stronger precisely because it has France as France, Spain as Spain, Britain as Britain, each with its own customs, traditions and identity. It would be folly to try to fit them into some sort of identikit European personality.’

    ‘Some of the founding fathers of the Community thought that the United States of America might be its model. But the whole history of America is quite different from Europe.’

    ‘We have not successfully rolled back the frontiers of the state in Britain, only to see them reimposed at a European level, with a European super­state exercising a new dominance from Brussels.’

    ‘What we need now is to take decisions on the next steps forward rather than let ourselves be distracted by Utopian goals. Utopia never comes, because we know we should not like it if it did.’

    • Makroon

      The great majority of Brits would agree with that (except the “rolling back the state” bit, which the left would naturally not agree to), but none of this makes a case for leaving the EU.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …you socialist Camerluvvies wouldn’t agree with the rolling back the state bit either, lad, as your adoption of Darling’s budget jot and tittle demonstrated for all.

  • @PhilKean1

    .
    How refreshing to listen to an honest political leader who has the British peoples’ best interest as his first priority.

    UKIP had better do well in 2014 and 2015. They are our last chance of stopping Cameron, Miliband and Clegg signing Britain up to economic and political union.
    .

    • Wahrheit

      Better join the party then Phil :)

    • HookesLaw

      Only europhile labour would do that. You have to pretend to justify your irrational behaviour.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        All you LibLabCon socialists would do that, lad. That’s the whole point of UKIP.

    • Conway

      I’ve been leafleting for UKIP over the last week. Reactions are overwhelmingly favourable, so let’s hope that this will translate into votes.

  • Agrippina

    Yes UKIP have to win, as Chancellor Merkel said …what would have become of Europe, if the British had not put up such courageous resistance during two World Wars. She went on … as you commemorate your dead, and the untold suffering
    endured during those wars…, I bow my head.

    And so it must fall to us once more to stand up for democracy and leave the yoke of the EU. The treaties are not going to be considered for renegotiation and the poor eastern european countries have no intention of wanting change. They are getting rid of their jetsam & flotsam over here, and the corrupt govts are taking huge sums to enrich themselves, not improve their countries. Without unanimity nothing will change.

    We have no housing for Brits, no school places for our children, nhs unable to cope. Let us take back our country, just as we had to one hundred years ago.

    • albertcooper

      Well said !

    • Knobber Jobbler

      Hold on, Agrippina? Italian? Complaining about immigrants?

      Seriously, got anything but populist rhetoric and anecdotal opinions to spout? Maybe Schools and the NHS would be better of if they weren’t mismanaged and if you have a problem finding a house, check out zoopla, they seem to have lots of them available.

      • Two Bob

        Populist is a defunct word.

        • global city

          It was always an obscene introduction of a continental mindset into the British body politic.

          • Conway

            Much like corpus juris.

            • global city

              Exactly…. and so much more!

    • David Lindsay.

      What a council of defeat.
      I looked at the front page of the Telegraph this morning and I saw the future.

    • Monkey_Bach

      Erm. Wasn’t King Harold the last truly British king? Weren’t we ruled by foreign royalty and alien aristocracy from 1066 onwards? Why only seek to turn the clock back a century? Why not take us back a thousand years to the days before the Norman conquests? Look folks. UKIP are not going to “win” the European elections. Get over it.

  • WatTylersGhost

    “regardless of how well the Tories do, they can deflect the attention onto Ukip”

    As Viceroy might say – “in your dreams lassie”.

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