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Net migration wobble caused by rising EU immigration

27 February 2014

5:56 PM

27 February 2014

5:56 PM

How fitting that on the day Angela Merkel pops in to London to natter about EU reform, new figures show a big increase in net migration driven by a rise in immigration from within the European Union to the UK.

Net migration in the year to September 2013 rose from 154,000 the previous year to 212,000. This morning, the Prime Minister’s official spokesman said that it was ‘absolutely the objective’ to reduce net migration to below 100,000 by 2015. But today’s figures are a blow to the government’s chances of doing that.

The problem is that while the Home Office is doing its best to control what it can control – non-EU migration fell to 141,000 last year – what it cannot control is out of control. The chart below shows a big rise in EU migration, with numbers doubling in a year.

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And migrants are coming from across the EU, rather than just the newer members in the east.

These figures have naturally given Vince Cable a chance to remind everyone that this is merely a Conservative target, and that ‘any target on migration is totally impractical, cannot be delivered and would do great damage to the economy’. He wasn’t specifically referring to the problems of having a target to curb migration when you can’t curb migration from the EU, but today’s figures make that point very nicely indeed. The problem is that when Angela Merkel talked about freedom of movement today, she talked about it in terms of benefit tourism, while backing the principle itself to the hilt.

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  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Britisher pals, you’re letting the wrong people in and keeping the right people out.
    A foreign policy which has effectively declared war on Islam in conjunction with an immigration policy that facilitates Muslims to enter Britain as immigrants. Can you imagine anything more insane? Opening the castle gate and inviting the enemy to enter and stay.

  • Agrippina

    Chancellor Merkel said …what would have become of Europe, if the British had not put up such courageous resistance during two World Wars. She went on … as you commemorate your dead, and the untold suffering endured during those wars…, I bow my head.

    And so it must fall to us once more to stand up for democracy and leave the yoke of the EU. We cannot stay in, Dr Merkel was duplicitous dave’s best hope for an ally. She is not going to open up the treaties for renegotiation and the poor eastern european countries have no intention of wanting change. They are getting rid of their jetsam & flotsam over here, and the corrupt govts are taking huge sums to enrich themselves, not improve their countries.

    Please look at the immigrants coming over here they are not needed, we have plenty of Brits willing to work. We have no housing, no school places for our children, nhs unable to cope. Please vote for anyone but the trio of troughers. Take back our country just as we had to one hundred years ago.

  • Daniel Maris

    I think it’s “game over” on mass immigration.

    Very few people think now it is doing us any good.

    Nobody any longer believes the three main parties can or even want to control it.

    Fewer and fewer people actually believe the figures, which I think are excluding 100s of thousands of people who make full use of our infrastructure on a semi-permanent basis.

    How this will play out with British people from non-immigrant backgrounds, I don’t know. I suspect it will mean a big boost for UKIP. But beyond that it is difficult to see.

    I do predict social unrest in London related to the housing crisis. At some point people – probably people from immigrant families who suffer the worst overcrowding – are going to take their protests to the street.

    • Mr Creosote

      If last night’s hand picked Question time audience/panel are anything to go by, I think you may be right

  • Lady Magdalene

    A combination of deceit over the EU and a failure to regain control of our borders is going to destroy Cameron’s LibCon Government.
    It may well destroy the Conservative Party completely.
    How fitting that the issue which has destroyed our Sovereignty and ability to govern our own country will be the one that also destroys the Party that instigated it.

    • southerner

      Here’s hoping. We might even get a conservative party in its place.

  • Tom Tom

    We should try removing all immigration controls…..I suspect with our incompetent politicians and border force that would lead to a huge reduction in numbers. Clearly trying to control things leads to chaos and confusion and the British are simply incapable of being rational or effective…..I blame it on potheads in politics who are befuddled

  • Two Bob

    It has just gifted UKIP victory in May.

  • saffrin

    “Non-EU migration fell to 141,000 last year”

    That’s 141.000 more than we had to then?
    WTF, while Cameron beats up on the old, the sick, our own unemployed, another
    212, 000 immigrants enter the room, 141,000 of which weren’t even EU.

    ——————————————————————————————–
    Last night’s BBC Question Time = One invited audience, Four pro-EU panelists, One pro-EU PC thought policeman Dimbalby V The Daily Mail editor.
    Answers on a post card as to how that went.

  • itdoesntaddup

    You omit any mention of British net emigration – 60,000 in the latest data. Subtract from the EU influx, and you get less than 100,000 – 71,000 in fact. So that target could be met by simply controlling non EU migration more effectively.

    Dig into the figures, and it is clear that non EU migration is still dominated by “students” who then stay on rather than returning at the end of their courses, with “family” being a distant second. Indeed, there is net emigration of non EU people for work related reasons.

    If you want to control immigration, Willetts must stop giving out university places like free sweets. Any unemployed academics could be redeployed to teach school dropouts and failures of earlier years.

  • Donafugata

    It is important to realise that many people who arrive from such places as Bangladesh, Somalia etc. have already acquired EU passports but have chosen to move to the UK due to the restrictions to and tightening of benefits in countries which were hitherto magnanimous.

    • Framer

      That may be the origin in the EU immigration surge. As more and more asylum seekers are granted the nationality of another EU country they can then make their way to Britain which is a vastly more benefit-friendly country with a policy of multiculturalism that encourages the growth of ghettos. Why would any asylum seeker from Syria linger in Bulgaria once they had nationality especially as the Bulgars (and Greeks) keep them in caged hostels?

    • Daniel Maris

      Yes, you don’t hear much German in London, but there are lots of “German” immigrants – many will be of Pakistani or Turkish origin. No doubt there is now a roaring trade in Romanian and Bulgarian passports.

  • global city

    It is clear that the same trick that Wilson pulled on the eletorate is being prepared to be played again.

    Insubstantial issues, dressed up as ‘central concerns’ of the public, in this case benefits tourism, is going to be conceded. This will be presented as a major change to ‘Right to Free movement.

    The BBC are touting this line now. People do not care about the EU (it comes higher up the list of ‘concerns’ than ‘climate change’ and gay rights, but this doesn’t stop the BBC making these their own top issues for promotion) but they DO care about immigration… so the trap is set.

    Farage had better cotton onto this and move off the ‘immigration’ issue, as he is being painted into a corner and played like an old fiddle.

    I have also noticed how the EU and it’s operations are being described again in intergovernmental terms, which is also a fundamental part of the long term and ongoing deceit of the British public. If I was Farage I would concentrate on this, especially in preparation for the debate with Clegg. Clegg should be exposed for actively deceiving the people on an ongoing basis.

    You get constant cries in the EU parliament that ‘we cannot return to the age of intergovernmentalism’, so they clearly understand something that we are not allowed to…so. Farage should get reams of quotes and regulations, institutional arrangements and stuff to lay before Clegg, live on TV, forcing him to either open up and be honest about where he is proposing we commit to, or have to damn the processes that his closest EU allies hold closest to their hearts.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      You’re fearing the strawman now, even before the EUcrats have even constructed it? Buck up, man. Bear up.

  • Mr Creosote

    212,000 people in, against housing completions in the same period 109,370 (12 months to Dec 2013 official figures).
    It doesn’t matter where they come from, those are the only figures you need to know.

    • BarkingAtTreehuggers

      In Victorian Britain a two-up-two-down had a confirmed occupany rate of >5.

      • Mr Creosote

        Yes and some of those occupants spent a lot of time sweeping chimneys, so what’s your point? The figures above take no account of the increase in housing numbers required through people choosing to live alone, general population increase, 15-20 year historic backlog due to low (mainly Labour overseen) build rates and Nimbyism.

        In short, we’re not even building 20% of the numbers required to cover all of the above.

        • BarkingAtTreehuggers

          I will dispute that as (a) industry figures clearly indicate the number of projects in the pipeline but on hold and (b) the vast amount of (low-value) vacant property available whilst (c) we are enjoying a general rise in living standards which has led to lower occupancy rates in general which I alluded to earlier.

          This is foremost an affordability issue, then a choice issue, not a numbers issue. How can I be so certain?
          Type in any postcode outside the London region and you will be awash with options. You can move right in, so what is *your* point?

          • Mr Creosote

            The figure of 109,370 is from the DCLG and is for completions – ie new houses that you can actually move into. Pipeline figures are a complete irrelevance since all those in current housing need, including the 212,000 new arrivals, cannot move into them as they only exist on plan.
            If you restrict supply – as Labour did for 13 years – prices rise. That is why we have an affordability issue.

            • BarkingAtTreehuggers

              We have an affordability issue because too many homes are on hold.
              Foreigners just turn up in Britain, they have nowhere to go and live on the streets.

              Repeat this mantra ad nauseam until the deeper truth reveals itself.

              • Mr Creosote

                The volume housebuilders are gearing up to build many more houses, now the log jam in the planning system has finally broken – but this is not something that happens overnight. Completions will be up 20-30% in the next round of figures but this will still be way short of what is required. Allowing the immigration tap to keep running while we play catch-up is a big mistake.

                • BarkingAtTreehuggers

                  Irrelevant and you know it.
                  If you were in any way linked to the industry you would know that this is all about the quality of product delivered by volume housebuilders.

                • Mr Creosote

                  I’m not an apologist for the quality of product produced by the volume house builders, which is uniformly dire, I am however a planning consultant with 40 years experience in the industry.

          • Daniel Maris

            Yes – you’ll find vacant property in a run down mining village in Northumberland. So what? That’s irrelevant to the housing crisis. Or it’s as irrelevant as tell me you can pick housing cheaply in Estonia, which people may also move to.

            • BarkingAtTreehuggers

              What? Northumberland, Yorkshire, Cumbria, Lancashire, Warwickshire et al are devoid of people with shed loads of empty property/ potential for expansion? What to do?

              Support the London-centric bubble with 8 out of 10 jobs created? Why?

  • Daniel Maris

    Referring to this as a “wobble”, shows just how detached the Speccie folk are. It means thanks to mass immigration of over 500,000 in just over one year, most of it pouring into London and the south east, we will have to find within a few years time more space and resources for over a million people, as these young arrivals start families.

    • HookesLaw

      Net migration is of course far less than that. And some of the migrants are previous immigrants leaving.

      The real crisis we face is that we are creating jobs – hundreds of thousands of them – but British people do not want them.

      What is funny is watching the BBC running round desperately copying the Daily Mail in eagerly running this story.

      • Daniel Maris

        “Net migration is of course far less than that.”

        You will have to justify that.

        So called net migration is actually much greater.

        For one thing these figures don’t catch illegal immigration. Given it is estimated by the LSE that the number of illegal immigrants could be anything between 400,000 and 860,000 annual inflow could easily be 50,000-100,000.

        They also don’t catch legal long term non-permanent residents e.g. people who have bought properties here (and anyone can).

        There were over 21million business travellers using just one airport -Heathrow – in 2012. I suspect, not that we are told, that a substantial number of those travellers will be Chinese, Arabs, Russians and others who spend several months here each year, without ever figuring as “immigrants” – they’ll be listed as business travellers or tourists.

      • Tom Tom

        Yes there is a need for Russian and Chinese speaking estate agents in London

      • Lady Magdalene

        There’s only so many coffee shops the country can support.
        Most of these immigrants will be doing low-skilled, low-paid jobs and are a drain on our economy.
        This issue is going to destroy your beloved Cameron. He’s failed on this …. as with everything else.
        Oh ….not quite everything else: he’s been extremely successful at losing Party members and driving former Conservative voters to UKIP.

  • berosos_bubos

    If all and sundry are going to take advantage of our public services then surely we need a tax system fit for purpose. Taxes should start at 50% and decrease with earnings.

    • Smithersjones2013

      Why should UK citizens pay more taxes so immigrants can have the privilege of using our public services? If anything immigrants should be excluded from UK public services and made to pay their own way!

      • berosos_bubos

        Durr yes of course but it is probably beyond the power of the government to do that, hence my suggestion.

  • Smithersjones2013

    These figures have naturally given Vince Cable a chance to remind
    everyone that this is merely a Conservative target, and that ‘any target
    on migration is totally impractical, cannot be delivered and would do
    great damage to the economy’.

    Cable is talking complete rubbish. You use quotas and base them on the previous years emigration figures. So if for example there were 100,000 more emigrants (and that was unwanted by government) one year than was anticipated you increase immigration over the next few years to compensate. By doing that you can control migration to ‘within tens of thousands’

    its not rocket science although clearly it’s too much for the feeble mind of the aging Cable. Government’s failure to control migration is a complete dereliction of duty and those who persist with this lie that immigration is uncontrollable should be locked up.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      Goodness, I’d forgotten that the Swiss had just voted for immigration quotas. I guess the globalists are keeping that as quiet as they can, in case anybody else gets similar ideas.

      • Conway

        Norway is also considering it.

    • Raw England

      Vince Cable is a particularly sinister politician

      He’s frequently said continued mass immigration is vital for us, despite the fact that, from 2006, immigrants have taken out 100 billion pounds more than they’ve put in to our economy….And that doesn’t even include the savage housing demand and utter cultural destruction they’ve wrought upon us. Cable also stated, on Question Time, that he doesn’t care in the slightest that London is a non-White (AKA non-English) majority.

      Cable is also neither ethnically English, or ethnically British…..

      • Smithersjones2013

        I’m not interested in Cable’s ethnic background. I’m not really interested in him or his deranged views at all. What I’m interested in in seeing a rational and consistent migration policy that allows this country to function at its optimum implemented and sadly none of the establishment parties come close to talking about such a policy.

      • Graeme S

        Nailed It

    • Conway

      Switzerland is not in the EU. It’s not even in the EEC, it just has bilateral agreements.

      • Smithersjones2013

        And what is your point? Are we chained to the EU no matter what? Is it the prime directive of our political class and the British Government to keep us in political servitude to Brussels no matter what? Are our political class incapable of functioning without Brussels holding their hands (its beginning to look like it.).?

        EU membership is only of value whilst it is in the UK’s interests and for the life of me I have yet to hear a coherent or plausible argument from Europhiliacs as to why on earth we are still members? As far as I can see its main purpose is to storke the egos of a narcissistic European political class and line the pockets of their sycophantic supporters.

        Its about time our political class and the parasitic stooges that surround them admitted that while the EU does grease the palms of vested interests in this country it is not in the best interest of the people as a whole and is in fact a costly and superfluous layer of bureaucracy that could easily be done without!

        As such we should no longer be members end of story. And voila end of membership, end of major obstructions to fixing our immigration system. Job done…..

  • Aberrant_Apostrophe

    Instead of focussing on nett migration, Cameron should be more concerned about why the emigration figure is so high. He can easily drive down nett migration to the tens of thousands, even a few hundreds. All he has to do is encourage indigenous folk to emigrate. Oh wait, that’s what he’s doing.

    • Smithersjones2013

      Why should we leave our country? It would be far easier and cheaper to drive out the relevant political classes (exile in South Georgia seems appropriate) and then implement immigration quotas that apply to all nations. Job done!

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …and just what do you have against the South Georgians, to inflict that lot on them?

        • Smithersjones2013

          I know I do fret about the trials and tribulations of the seals and penguins of South Georgia (apart from the gulls otherwise it is uninhabited I believe) if they are overrun by demented politicians. However I’m sure there are a few bits of rock poking up out of that part of the South Atlantic that belong to Blighty that can be used that are not inhabited by penguins or seals or other land linked creatures..

          We can even keep an eye on the politicians to make sure they don’t do harm to their environment from our bases in the Falklands (and with a bit of luck the Argentinians might kidnap them in some vain attempt to get some movement on the Falklands issue).

          • the viceroy’s gin

            Well that would present quite the conundrum, if the Argies collected all the stray politicos and held them up for a Falklands ransom. Surely, if it were put to a national referendum, the honorables’ would be ransomed and spared?

            The good people of the UK would do the right thing then, surely?

            Surely?

            “Oh yes, the right thing would be done. And don’t call me Shirley.” 😉

            • Smithersjones2013

              I’m sure the British people would do the right thing in a referendum and vote to pay for Argentina to keep them!

              A pair of cowboys like Cameron and Osborne would make a fortune as cattle ranchers on the Pampas

  • Raw England

    People aren’t so much bothered (relatively speaking) about EU (White) immigration. What the native people of Britain (at least 70% of them as proven by every single poll) very strongly hate and despise is what black and Muslim immigration has done – and is increasingly doing – to our country. That’s what nobody seems to realise.

    • James Strong

      I’m not concerned about black migration, but I would stop mohammedan immigration completely.

      • Graeme S

        Nailed iT

      • Noa

        Would the mothers of Andrew Young or Lee Rigby’s agree with you, I wonder?

        • Tom Tom

          Why is Lee Rigby relevant – he had a wife and mistress

          • Darnell Jackson

            W@nker

      • Tom Tom

        The Portuguese stopped slave trading when they found it cheaper to breed them in Brazil. I suspect you don’t need to import more immigrants – but if you intend to stop foreign brides settling in the UK then you will have some disappointed citizens

        • Jackthesmilingblack

          British embassies’ attitude towards certain categories of foreign-born wives of British men is nothing short of racist. Refusing a visa to enter Britain, and when pressed admitting that they suspected “immoral purposes” was behind the application. This effectively labels the wife as @hore and her husband as pimp.
          Who would willing support, much less fight for a country that treats his wife as a second class citizen?

    • David Lindsay.

      Your racial post does you no justice sir.
      I detect among bloggers, middle England and Daily Mail hacks that the issue currently relates to Bulgaria and Romania, before that the Indians, before that the West Indians and before that the Irish.
      As a nation we initially fear something different.
      Then we harness the influx to our benefit.
      What we are not comfortable with is bigots who castigate racial and religious stereotypes.
      Be gone.

      • Smithersjones2013

        Increasingly we do not suffer delusional fools gladly either. Particularly ones who ignore the reality that our society and particularly government cannot cope with the implications that a continual flood of migrants present and as a result their impact is detrimental to this country’s best interests.

        So be gone yourself!

        • David Lindsay.

          The flood argument is very different from the frank incitement of Raw England’s post.
          You may be correct that it is time to turn down the volume/flow but it is incumbent on us all to integrate those who have come, black, brown, oriental, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist or Sikh.
          Just as we and the United States benefitted in a major way from the Jewish immigration in the 1930’s so we will begin to see the fruits of the new flux as they integrate

          • the viceroy’s gin

            …but first, cull through them and get rid of the illegal aliens and criminals, and send all those back where they came from.

            • David Lindsay.

              Does that apply to Raw England’s black Muslims only or the Mafia from Eastern Europe as well?

              • the viceroy’s gin

                It applies to anybody fitting that description.

                Do you telemucus rabble ever take a day off?

                • telemachus associates

                  My good friend and Chair telemachus has not yet returned from Russia following the splendid Sochi closing ceremony and subsequent business.
                  We must not however rest.

              • Tom Tom

                Mafia ? We have a lot of those such as Turkish, Cypriot, Jewish, Polish, Romanian, Bulgarian, Russian, New York…….I am not sure which upsets you most

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …Albanian, Gypsy, Mexican, Colombian, Chinese, New Jersey…

          • global city

            Multiculturalism does not allow integration, it explicitly frowns upon it. Culture wars and identity politis makes sure that these parrallell communities are then poisoned.

            To make any changes you will have to get rid of the cultural Marxists in our institutions and academe.

            Islam is an entirely different issue, as it IS at war with all who are not Muslims, even those who are ‘not the right muslims’!

          • saffrin

            Not when immigrant culturs clash with our own to the point where the last positivley racist, anti-white Brit Government demaded we change our traditions as they offend immigrant sencibilities it doesn’t.

            • David Lindsay.

              You are approaching the nub of the issue here.
              The balance of evidence supports the benefits of immigration on the economic wellbeing of our country and its aging population.
              The trick has to be to integrate and “Britishise”
              We need to design programs as in the USA to make all immigrants speak our language and profess allegiance to the flag (this includes Glaswegians).
              This needs to start in nursery school and be progressivel taken forward.
              It includes celebration of Christmas and Easter by all and full education of the celebration of these great festivals.
              We must work at this and not wring our hands.
              We have a global market and we must thrive in it.

      • Noa

        The Raw, evidenced, truth frightens those who prefer to conceal it from others and deny it even to themselves.

        • David Lindsay.

          That is not what I read in the Raw Truth post.
          I read:
          White immigration OK.
          Black immigration No.
          Black Muslim immigration absolutely not.
          Question: was John the Baptist an Arab?

          • Noa

            You see what you want to and so allege prejudice in order to try and close down the minds of others to conform your own narrow channel of thought, in order to prevent the expression of views and ideas not in alignment with your owm.

            • Brummie

              No your the one who see’s what he wants to see. Your the one seeing a Britain where the majority is not ok with “black immigration”. Just when did you carry out this opinion poll?

              Oh and don’t come back screaming that I’m a Laboirite/Lefty/Socialist. It’s you that clearly believes in a big powerful state, picking individuals by skin colour.

              • Noa

                No referendum or popular mandate has ever been sought or obtained from the British people to the Population Change agenda implemented by successive governments through the vehicle of mass third world immigration. Regardless of its associated societal and financial consequences.
                Seeking to prevent any discussion of the subject by alleging racism is a well used tactic of the bigoted, anti-lbertarian left of which you are a classic example.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            If you want a black Muslim for a neighbor, vote Labour.

      • global city

        The issue is MASS migration from everywhere.

        The other issue with regards to EU movement is about the UK having no control… it’s a constitutional issue, not a ‘phobic’ one… why are you being so silly about the issue?

        • itdoesntaddup

          The Ukraine has had a mish-mash of multi-culti populations for centuries, having been invaded by Poles, Lithuanians, Austrians, Hungarians,Turks, Tatars, Cossacks, Mongols, Vikings, and doubtless many more. The Russians moved in as it was recaptured in Tsarist times (going back to the ninth century and until overrun by Mongols, it was the Kievan Rus – the forerunner of Russia). The Soviets didn’t add much by way of migration.

          • Tom Tom

            Europe has a mish-mash because it had the Ottoman and AustroHungarian empires on land whereas Britain had its empire overseas

          • the viceroy’s gin

            The bolsheviks Russianized it though, same as they did everywhere else they ruled. They intended to break nationalism and local ethnic groupings and work towards the ComIntern. They weren’t quite “multicultural”, in other words. And then there were the Ukraine famines they engendered, which killed off undesirables and kulaks. There was a late wave Russianization post-war, as well. What the Sovs added by migration was very influential, as it was intended to be .

          • global city

            They added massively under the dogma of breaking ‘nationalist’ midsets in order to create a new breed of Soviet people.

            They moved tens of millions from place to place, starved tens of millions more and sent millions more to the gulags… ALL with the dogma of ‘Sovietisation’…that is evident from their own policy making and propaganda material from the time.

    • global city

      The EU migration issue was never about people or even numbers, but the fact that the UK government does not have any say in the matter, as this is an EU exclusive competence.

      That was another mistake that UKIP made, in letting a constitutional issue become one of ‘race relations’. When they let the issue stray onto the ground where they could be painted as ‘anti immigrant’ they allowed others to dictate the outcome of the debate. So now (as I’ve written above) the issue is about benefits tourism (hardly exists) that can be demolished by showing pretty and young Europeans working their hearts out and paying into the pot that subsidises ‘all the lazy ingerlush people’. As it is of no consequence, the EU are going to allow ‘reform’ of the equal acess to benefits law. This will be presented as a massive reformation of a fundamental tenet of the EU…. and we all go off and vote to stay in the ‘massively reformed’ EU.

      Sometimes UKIP seem to be really crap at tactics and strategy.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        The globalists have control of UKIP’s tactics and strategy, and UKIP is captive to their witterings in the socialist media, and via the LibLabCon clones. It’s inevitable, and would remain so until either LibLabCon changes course, or UKIP reaches critical mass and begins to force their way onto the main agenda.

    • Donafugata

      Utterly agree but do not think that nobody realises, many of us see it from the same perspective, we just have to find the legal means to replace the political elite that betrays us.

    • Two Bob

      ‘People aren’t so much bothered (relatively speaking) about EU (White) immigration.’

      Visit Boston sometime.

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