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He said ‘yes’! Farage agrees to debate Clegg on EU

21 February 2014

21 February 2014

He asked… and Nigel said yes. The Ukip leader and his party colleagues had whipped Westminster into a state of great suspense in the 24 hours between Nick Clegg’s phone-in on LBC and Nigel Farage’s own appearance on the station. And Farage took his time to say ‘yes’ to the Lib Dem leader’s challenge to a live debate on the EU ahead of the European elections. He said:

‘I nearly choked on my bacon roll when I heard Nick Clegg say he wanted to have a debate about the big European question because this was the guy three years ago advocating an in/out referendum who now says there shouldn’t be a referendum, but now wants a debate so he’s all over the place.

‘I’ve thought about this overnight and, do you know, the reason I got into politics – because I was working in the City, I was working in the commodities business – and I got involved in politics because I felt on this great question of who governs our country: our own Parliament, by the men and women we elect and send there, or the European Commission and the other institutions in Brussels? [I felt] that we weren’t having a proper talk about this.

‘And I’ve battled on for 20 years. I’ve been laughed at, ridiculed, attacked, but at no point in the 15 years that I’ve now been an MEP, at no point have we ever had a full national debate about the merits or demerits of EU membership. And therefore, when the Deputy Prime Minister says he wants to go public and have a debate with me on this issue, I have absolutely no choice. I’ve got to say yes because we need to have a national debate on what I think is the most important issue this country has faced for hundreds of years in terms of our constitution.’

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We still weren’t there. But eventually, he said:

‘So the answer is yes, but with one small caveat. I do really want for the Labour party in the shape of Ed Miliband and the Conservative party in the shape of the Prime Minister to join this debate as well.’

He later clarified that the refusal of Miliband and Cameron wouldn’t derail the debate. It’s the right decision for Farage to say yes, not just because turning down Clegg would have made him look like a bit of a scaredy-pants. Debating the Lib Dem leader is also much better for Farage than debating Cameron because the PM can argue that his party, which has a realistic chance of governing in 2015, has already promised an EU referendum. Farage and Clegg are pitching to completely different voters, so both will come away from the debate feeling as though they’ve got what they wanted from it.


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  • saffrin

    A live debate attendended by a picked audience of noisy pro EU hecklers courtesy of Brussels and the BBC.

  • black11hawk

    The comments below are totally ridiculous, how do you manage to turn an article about Farage and Clegg debating the merits of EU membership into Islam and how ‘fit’ the author is?

    Anyway, it should be a decent debate, Clegg did pretty well in the 2010 debates, so it will be interesting to see who comes out on top.

    • saffrin

      Arf, arf.

      • black11hawk

        I didn’t personally like his message, but lots of people did and it was widely acknowledged by people that he won the TV debates.

        • saffrin

          Lots of people?
          Would that be in your house, the office or down the local LibDem club?

          • black11hawk

            Well, considering the Lib Dems got their highest percentage of the vote ever and the Tories were forced to form a coalition rather than a majority government seems to point in the direction of the Lib Dems doing rather well at the last election even if they have since slumped in the polls and as I say I don’t agree with their policies, but if Clegg is good at debating then it will be interesting to see how he does against Farage who is also a skilled debater.

            • saffrin

              You must have missed where Labour, knowing they didn’t stand a chance in H..L of winning the 2010 general election asked their supporters to vote LibDem in the expectation many would otherwise vote Tory.
              Little did Labour know Cameron all by himself almost lost an unlosable election.
              Every time he opened his mouth on TV Tory polls plummeted.
              It cracks me up to think Cameron thinks he’s electable.

              • black11hawk

                That’s true but to be fair to Cameron the Tories were coming from a pretty low base and he did achieve the biggest swing for the Tories in a hundred years. The problem for the Tory right is they always put forwards candidates who are old, bald and boring. In a political world where image counts for so much these days they would do better to select someone young and vibrant, but who actually has serious convictions.

                • saffrin

                  Gordon Brown’s stupidity created the pro Tory swing, with Cameron giving most of it back with his pr-election speeches.
                  This Government is as much a disaster as the last.

  • ArchiePonsonby

    Good for Nige! He’s ten times the man Clegg purports to be and I duly expect him to wipe the floor with him…………………………and a little less sneering from you, if you don’t mind, you silly woman!

  • Doggie Roussel

    WHY IS NO ONE MAKING MORE NOISE ABOUT THOSE THREE LABOUR FRONT BENCHERS CONDONING PAEDOPHILIA ?

    Surely the Spectator is not mutating into the BBC !

  • Doggie Roussel

    I hope the Colosseum has been booked !

    Farage versus Clegg will be the equivalent of a Christian being thrown to the lions… it will hopefully be a bloodbath, particularly if those other two Europhiles, Cameroon & Millipede have the cojones to turn up, but I fear that the only balls in those three families belong to their respective wives.

    This is a magnificent window of opportunity for UKIP and, provided it has the unbiased media coverage due to it…. with the BBC this is a forlorn hope… but people now have the measure of that left wing cesspit and will judge accordingly.

    Hopefully the political pygmy, Clegg, will be fully exposed and his cohorts of appeasers, collaborators and political opportunists and adventurers will be wiped off the political landscape.

    This comes at a time when three members of the Labour front bench have been revealed to have been involved in a scam to promote or, at the very least condone and cover up the activities of the Paedophile Information Exchange.

    My God, there are some truly disgusting people with seats in the House of Commons… yet the BBC says not a word !

    • Tim Reed

      The BBC says not a word, because it has apparently for decades played host to many of the same type of repulsive perverts that these Labourites were trying to legitimise.

      Birds of a feather. Disgusting people.

      • Doggie Roussel

        Of course, Mr Reed, the BBC employed and covered up the late Jimmy Savile’s peccadilloes … after all he was both a knight of the realm and a papal knight of St Gregory… how stupid of me to have overlooked such trivia.

        Perhaps it was Sir Jimmy who introduced the three Labour front bench stalwarts to the joys of paedophilia…

        Mind you the Tories have had their share of oddballs… what with that geezer who was founded naked, apart from his fishnet stockings, and kneeling and auto-strangled on his kitchen table with an orange in his kisser.

        His inquest concluded that he had endured a very boring day in the Commons listening to PMQs.

  • crudcrud1

    How do you debate a person? I always used to debate motions. How our command of language weakens!

    • Doggie Roussel

      Absolutely, crudcrud1…. and I had always assumed that a motion was something one placed on the table … or, perhaps, dumped into a lavatory !

  • Smithersjones2013

    Debating the Lib Dem leader is also much better for Farage than
    debating Cameron because the PM can argue that his party, which has a
    realistic chance of governing in 2015, has already promised an EU
    referendum. Farage and Clegg are pitching to completely different
    voters, so both will come away from the debate feeling as though they’ve
    got what they wanted from it.

    Hanoi Hannah would have been proud of such a disingenuous line. However, It doesn’t matter how many times Tories repeat their deranged little narrative it doesn’t make it true.The dysfunctional Tories are still around 14 points from where they need to be and are still as far away from changing the minds of sufficient UKIP voters to vote for them as they ever have been. The problemfor the Tories is Cameron is the one who drove those voters away and he’s not going to get them back.

    On topic of course Farage had to accept and I think should Cameron decide to participate as clearly Izzy thinks he should (will she call him a “scaredy cat” if he doesn’t) it will indeed be interesting to see Farage dissect his decision not to hold the referendum before 2015 but to use it to try and extort votes out of UKIP voters. That Cameron has brazenly used such a critical referendum as a political bargaining chip to further his self interest tells one all they need to know about the low nature of Cameron’s character

  • Rossspeak

    I am not a convinced UKIP supporter – but Farage has done sterling work in the European Parliament showing up the “nonsenses”.
    If he can expose Clegg’s many duplicitous and deceitful statements and actions over the last 4 years – I , for one, will cheer him on.
    I suspect both Cameron and Miliband will “hold back” if, as and when they have another “3 way debate” prior to the 2015 election in case they need to form a coalition with the Libdems.
    Farage will have no such limitations or inhibitions – go for it and show the public clearly that Clegg can’t be trusted to stick to anything he promises.

  • MikeF

    Clegg did not issue this challenge for any reason other than a desperate attempt to salvage his own reputation with his party and his party from possible annihilation at the polls. Farage’s acceptance of it is not risk-free, but given that Clegg is deputy prime minister then as Farage correctly observes he can serve as a representative of the whole cross-party establishment. Nevertheless if Cameron and Milliband stay out
    then they risk the two ‘main parties’ being made to look peripheral. This could, just possibly could, be a pivotal event.

  • Mynydd

    If Mr Clegg is serious about a televised leaders debate for the European elections, he can easily make it happen, by arranging, a debate in the House of Commons, with an in / out free vote at the end. All debates are televised with the independent Mr Speaker in the chair to ensure all party leaders and members can have their say. (No media bias) This arrangement would mean that not only Mr Cameron/Clegg/Miliband have their say, but also the party leaders of, Democrat Unionist, Scottish National, Sinn Fein, Plaid Cymru, SDLP, Green, Respect, Alliance, and Independent. Given that the general public have made (or will make) their views known to their MP the result will be a genuine national debate. The question I have raised is Mr Clegg serious or just playing games.

  • BarkingAtTreehuggers

    Unlike some might believe, and this will come as another shock to many here, a potential debate between Farage and Clegg will not boost the profile of the former but the public acceptance of the latter.

    (before the loons go chimp – my statement does not mean I am taking sides here (!) – the truth is I, like many, couldn’t care less about either of them)

    • telemachus

      Which is why Nick proposed it

      • BarkingAtTreehuggers

        ….which is why Labour would need to worry most as a LibDems vote then was a Labour vote before that. Which is why YOU are worried.

        • telemachus

          LibDems are finished for a generation as a political force
          Besides this time we have the UKIP splitting the Tory vote in the 43 Tory marginals

    • Wessex Man

      so why post then?

      • BarkingAtTreehuggers

        …to get telemachus to bite and clarify who it is that is most affected by this little side show, that’s why.
        (isn’t that obvious?)

        • the viceroy’s gin

          The only thing obvious about your posts, under any nickname, are their stupidity, .

    • Tom

      You are right in that Clegg is despised throughout the country and his party face meltdown in the EU elections.
      Taking on Farage will give him and his party some news coverage whether it is a gamble worth taking and he gains some credit only time will tell.

    • saffrin

      Farage will walk all over Clegg. The public will know who speaks the truth using pure common sense.
      Besides. Clegg has already proven himself a liar.

  • rtj1211

    Mr Farage would do well to add the actors of CIA, MI6, Mossad and the White House onto the list of ‘who runs Britain’?

    Add GSK if you’re building a new synchrotron. Add the City of London if your talking corporation tax and income tax. Add the Saudi Royal Family if you’re talking war in the Middle East. And add the Chinese Premier if you want oodles of foreign investment.

    Plenty of people other than those in Westminster who truly pull the levers of power in Britain…….

  • ButcombeMan

    Presumably Isabel’s exclamation mark in her headline is because she alone, out of all political commentators in the UK, read the matter wrong, yesterday.

  • OriginalChris

    It seems, Ms Hardman, you are not comfortable with applying the same criteria to Cameron as you do to Farage. I am obviously waiting for the wimp reference in vain.

  • Kitty MLB

    I Agree with both Colliemum, and someone
    whose name I will not dare to mention..
    Isobel should ask why Cameron and Miliband
    will not be present , is it going to be a real
    debate ?
    Also as someone else said there should be three
    debates as we had at the last election.

    • telemachus

      How do make 4 participants into a fair trio of debates

      • Kitty MLB

        Cameron, Cleggie, Milipede, and Nigel .
        Having 3 debates, as some one here as
        also mentioned.

        • telemachus

          So who leads in each of the 3 debates

  • terence patrick hewett

    “…for there is an upstart Crow, beautified with our feathers, that with his Tygers hart wrapt in a Players hyde, supposes he is as well able to bombast out a blanke verse as the best of you: and being an absolute Johannes fac totum, is in his owne conceit the onely Shake-scene in a countrey”.

    Thus does the dramatist Robert Greene in his pamphlet, Greene’s Groats-Worth of Wit, castigate the ignorant and provincial upstart actor William Shakespeare for having the temerity to write plays in competition with the Great and the Good.

    Uni-boy versus barrowboy: England never changes.

    • Rockin Ron

      Great insight – your level is too good for The Spectator.

  • Hello

    Big mistake on Clegg’s part. If Cameron and Miliband don’t take part, and they really shouldn’t, this will be a polarised debate, both parties will come out representing the extreme position, because that’s where they will both push each other. Not good for Clegg’s centre ground message.

    • telemachus

      Not really
      Both will try hard to appear reasonable and conciliatory
      And dare I say it Statesmenlike

      • tastemylogos

        loner #1 and his winding up ways

        • telemachus

          That is a duplicate comment

          • tastemylogos

            loner #1 and his winding up ways

            • Wessex Man

              ignore the half-wit!

      • Hello

        Oh, I’m sure. I agree with Nick.

    • WatTylersGhost

      Nope, there are not 4 positions, only 2. It’s UKIP vs liblabcon.

  • Monkey_Bach

    Farrage versus Clegg? The unelectable debates with the unspeakable.

    • Jez

      So clever.

    • telemachus

      See above
      The clown
      And the fruitcake

      • Monkey_Bach

        Since Mr. Farage is both a fruitcake and a clown what is Mr. Clegg?

        (Chop Suey at the next election I would imagine.)

        • Wessex Man

          hey your not Hooky id disguise are you?

          • Monkey_Bach

            You might well think that. I couldn’t possibly comment.

        • telemachus

          Quite so

  • James Allen

    All Tory voters can now see the coward they support, who can’t rise to the challenge to debate the single most important issue in our country today; and likewise in Scotland. Shame on him.

  • colliemum

    So – why aren’t you asking if Cameron and Miliband are wimping out, not daring to debate Nigel Farage, Isabel?

    • James Allen

      Precisely.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      Again, have a bit of compassion. The poor wastrel lass is completely dependent on her paymasters’ forbearance, and must do as she’s told.

      • colliemum

        LOL!
        OK – I’ll try and be a bit more compassionate next time – although that will be very hard for me, very hard!

        • Kitty MLB

          Yes one must always show compassion
          to wee wastrel lass Isobel, and all those
          Anti christ, socialists, forever wandering
          Around in exile.

          • colliemum

            Well – I do draw the line at socialists …
            😉

        • tastemylogos

          she is fit though. i think its the posh thing.

    • Kitty MLB

      It will be a disgrace if Nigel Farage is not present
      at the leaders debates next spring.
      Mind you, I may be wrong(and often am)
      But I believe Cameron wants those to be just between
      himself and Milipede- no Cleggie !!

      • telemachus

        No
        He must not be given the respectability which we accord to our main party leaders
        Not unless you also let George Gallowy in

        • The Colonel

          Well Telemachus that is a first, respectability and the three main party leaders being mentioned in the same sentence
          without any hint of irony.By the way who is George Gallowy.

          • telemachus

            A mega media superstar

    • telemachus

      Obvious
      A debate between 2 also rans is very suitable to Dave’s perception plans

    • Nicholas chuzzlewit

      Because she is a socialist and a hypocrite. But then, I repeat myself.

      • telemachus

        The only hypocrisy I detect is that of the right pretending their BNP views are equivalent to UKIP

        • tastemylogos

          loner #1 and his winding up ways.

          • telemachus

            Most BNP escapees are members of Ukip and not a few post here

            • tastemylogos

              I thought most BNP voters came from Labour? Wasn’t that the issue in Barking?

              You National Socialists seem confused

              • telemachus

                Members defect to UKIP

                • tastemylogos

                  Don’t most defect from Labour to BNP? Isn’t that how BNP won Barking and how Hodge won it back? Relying on BNP support? Dear oh dear. The National Socialists are all the same, aren’t they.

              • Tom

                They certainly have ex BNP members who are now Labour councillors.

                • Conway

                  And UKIP will not allow ex-BNP members to join.

            • Tom

              UKIP were abused in Wythenshawe by BNP members so your comment is BS to be honest.

              • telemachus

                Why
                Because the BNP are getting back at defectors

                • Tom

                  Thats your opinion but UKIP don’t have ex BNP members as councillors like Labour.

                • Tom

                  No response,no denial, what a shame.

                • telemachus

                  Ms Stowe added: “I chose Labour because I think they’ve done a good job in Burnley. [Council leader] Stuart Caddy and his team have worked hard and listened to people from last year: they got the wake-up call when the BNP got in.”

                • telemachus

                  Evidence?

                • Tom

                  I can give you evidence although I’m not going to hold your hand.

                  Where is your evidence most BNP escapees are members of Ukip and not a few post here ?.

                • telemachus

                  Second bit is self confession

                • Tom

                  What are you confessing too?.

                • Wessex Man

                  are you the latest bestest Lib/dum computer generated propaganda tool or just a tool?

  • Denis_Cooper

    ” … the PM can argue that his party, which has a realistic chance of governing in 2015 … ”

    Well, the Tory party certainly has a more realistic chance of governing in 2015 than UKIP, but a less realistic chance than Labour.

    Unless of course over the next fifteen months there is an upsurge of support for the Tory party from a population overjoyed by the increase in their prosperity brought about by the Tories’ economic plan, which Osborne often mentions even though nobody has ever seen it as far as I’m aware, and so the Tories manage to more than reverse Labour’s current lead of over 5%:

    http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/polls.html

    despite a massive chunk of erstwhile LibDem supporters having switched their support to Labour; absent the boundary changes the Tories still need to be about 6% ahead of Labour to have a chance of getting an overall majority, and in fact they didn’t get that majority in 2010 even though they were 7% ahead of Labour.

    • telemachus

      All correct and music
      Do not forget the split of the Tory vote in the 43 Tory marginals gifted by Ukip

  • john king

    Whatever is organised, please resist the call for the BBC to air the discussion Mr Farage, (for obvious reasons).

    • telemachus

      I guess you favour a Sky/Fox news broadcast and usual editorial

      • tastemylogos

        do you not have anything better to do, Loner#1?

        • Nicholas chuzzlewit

          No. This is as productive as idiot#1 gets.

          • telemachus

            And you Chuz?

          • tastemylogos

            Isn’t diogenesthread, idiot#1? I honestly don’t think telemachus is an idiot. He seems well read (stuff he agrees with: Das capital, communist manifesto, gramsci prison letters, etc, etc) he is merely an ideological fool. The likes of diogenerate and ohforheavensake are surely the idiots. They seem literally, thick.

            Telemachus is surely just a wind up merchant who is a bit lonely?

            • telemachus

              Telemachus believes
              The world is led by those whose philosophy is me and mine
              Our team stand for you and yours
              As for loneliness, we have a tight knit team who nourish each other

              • tastemylogos

                i always thought you nourished on deliaguavara

                (google tells me its full of protein)

                • telemachus

                  We have loose associations with the like minded including David Lindsay and Mynidd

                • tastemylogos

                  Aaaaw I miss Lindsey luv. She’s lovely. Didn’t realise she was loose.

                • telemachus

                  He is not far away
                  He posts elsewhere and still occasionally here

                • tastemylogos

                  Even with the limp you leave her? Does she not struggle to sit down at her keyboard?

              • global city

                No they don’t. They stand for ideology, regardless of the human cost, or who the victims are.

            • Nicholas chuzzlewit

              No he, or indeed they because he often refers to “our team”, just spend a lot of time on Wikipedia. None of the seemingly intellectual references are coherent or relevant. My view is that Telemachus is typical of the kind of cyber fools used by the Labour Party to disrupt debate which does not fit in with its message. You will notice that he/they invariably tag comments to appear at the top of threads and make outrageously stupid statements e.g. Brown was a great chancellor, Balls is charismatic and similar dishonest rubbish. Most sensible people and I am guilty of this, attempt to refute his/their rubbish and the original purpose of the debate is irretrievably lost. That is how the Labour Party operates. It is the party of lies, lying and liars.

              • Makroon

                Ha-ha, I think tele pretty obviously thinks Balls is a prat, and is being ironic. Nevertheless, being on the payroll, he has to go through the motions.

            • global city

              I have spent more time than many calling them two ‘stupid socialists’, but they are not really stupid… I think they are quite smart, but arguing socialist points necessitate taking an unthinking dogmatic stance on complex issues.

        • telemachus

          Sunshine
          This is my lunch break
          There are important truths to impart

          • tastemylogos

            babes,

            You don;t actually part with any ‘truth’. Merely glib nonsense with a view to winding people up. All well and good, if a bit sad, mind you.

            • telemachus

              What I read mostly round here is self serving xenophobic Islamophobic rants
              Most need to wise up to the reality of where our country is

      • john king

        T*t.

  • Eyesee

    The main problem is that Farage is not that clear on the EU and quite what to do about it and Clegg will just say, jobs, economy, influence all rely on being in the EU. Farage, I doubt will be able to say with easy clarity exactly why each and every one of those assertions is a straightforward lie. I suspect that China has sold an awful lot of stuff from baubles to ipads to members of the EU, but they haven’t had to join to do it. But apparently, Britain couldn’t sell to the EU from outside. Clegg might and he might not be incredibly, unbelievably stupid, but he certainly thinks you are. Not having already left the EU and believing in Global Warming do give him room to be correct, to be fair.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      The EUSSR hasn’t been financially audited in nearly 20 years. That alone demands withdrawal. Not talk. Withdrawal.

      Chicken Little arguments that disease and pestilence will ensue upon withdrawal do not appeal to people of good character and temperament, they are merely the Londonistan bubble’s parochial bleatings to the plebs.

      Farage has an easy row to hoe, not least because not only is he familiar with the Londonistan bubble’s parochialism, firsthand, but he’s also familiar with the EUSSR apparatchiks’ miserable, opaque process that results in those shamefully unaudited books. Meanwhile, Clegg is just a straight-up EUSSR apparatchik. He exemplifies the Brussels problem, firsthand.

      …and then there’s Somerset. Farage should demand the debate be held there.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        Farage should demand a series of debates. I’d say 3 sittings could nicely cover it all. The 2 debaters could then regroup and reload, and get out a full message and rebuttal. This would obviously build up Clegg, and that would be undeserved, but it would fully elevate the issue and put it on the boil, and that is deserved. And even if Clegg is helped, the other 2 muppets would be withered, and outed as cowardly.

        • Rockin Ron

          Brave from Farage, Clegg needs this debate more than Farage so it would have been safer to deny Clegg who is a formidable debater, whatever else you think about him.
          Farage will perform well, but he has more to lose.

  • Jez

    This is the equivalent of Leeds playing in the UEFA cup final for me.

    This is going to be good.

    • telemachus

      ie a debacle
      You need to watch Martin Sheen ‘The Game’

      • English Aborigine

        Michael Douglas ?

        • telemachus

          Sorry
          Michael Sheen
          The Damned United

  • Kitty MLB

    Well as said yesterday Farage is a British Bull Dog,
    who unlike The Eu Poodle Cleggie has Our interests
    at heart
    I still think this is spot of grandstanding by Cleggie,
    who is probably leaving little puddles of worry over
    the Eu elections, and he is hoping to show Farage up.
    Farage has done the right thing agreeing to do this,
    we need to have that honest and open debate
    in regards to the Eu.
    Yet I feel it should contain all leaders, even prehaps
    Alex Salmond, but never mind its time we heard the opinions
    of those two, at least no one can say Farage is a coward
    and afraid of Cleggie.

    • telemachus

      And as said yesterday this is an irrelevance
      Even if we get to a referendum the result will not be binding on parliament and no government would risk financial collapse by pullout
      *
      This is a circus sideshow
      The clown versus the fruitcake

      • Kitty MLB

        Dear, dear little telemachus.
        The Clown and the fruitcake as you call
        them need to be joined by the panto horse,
        and leftie donkey, and then they can all debate together. They say sunshine is the best disinfectant.

        • telemachus

          Will not happen Kitty dear
          Miliband and Cameron would not besmirch themselves by association
          After all who coined the term fruitcake

          • crosscop

            Mrs Beaton? Mary Berry?

            • Kitty MLB

              :)

  • Colin56

    There’s no chance that Cameron or Miliband will join in this debate. They know they may win the argument but lose the debate. Nightmare for their comms people. And it’s curtains for Cleggers just for taking part. So – trebles all round for Farage. (And I don’t vote UKIP btw.)

    • telemachus

      A one issue debate for a one horse party
      A single issue debate will simply emphasise that Farage has nothing to say on health, the economy, the economy etc

      • tastemylogos

        Only one issue that really matters, loner #1.

        Bring back the rule of law under our own representatives and we can then start thinking about destroying the welfare state you gramscians imposed on us. Weening off the teats your clientele suckle on will then be the priority.

        • telemachus

          I guess you are one of those who approve of the masses going hungry as the bishops reported yesterday

          • tastemylogos

            hahaha going hungry? standard middle class removed concern for the lives of the ordinary that you refuse to remedy in any meaningful way.

            Going back to Toxteth every weekend to see my dear old ma, I can tell you, the poor aint going hungry. Most prefer to go down the food bank to free up a little extra cash for their cigs and friday night lash. As long as it lets you sleep better at night though, loner #1 😉

            But funny how these ‘masses’ are invariably over weight (in Tokkie anyway).

            • telemachus

              Most prefer to go down the food bank to free up a little extra cash for their cigs and friday night lash
              *
              A reprehensible comment
              You shoulg go down to Tower Hamlets

              • tastemylogos

                I lived ‘poverty’ babes. I saw and see with my own eyes. Poverty in this country does not lead to malnutrition.

                Hence why many are fat. But you’d know this if you had any experience of navigating the welfare state, Loner #1

                • telemachus

                  Son
                  You also know that many are fat because they cannot afford healthy food

                • tastemylogos

                  at least you admit that they are not starving. So much for ‘poverty’.

  • Fergus Pickering

    I think I back our Nige.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      …your Call Me Dave is chickening out, apparently.

      • Mynydd

        No he is just being himself.

      • Fergus Pickering

        I don’t think he was asked, O scientific one.

        • Kitty MLB

          The poor little soul does’nt need to be asked,
          he’s The Prime Minister
          Kindly tell O scientific one that this
          little collaborator and defender of
          evil Socialists does agree with him.
          Cameron would never want to be on stage
          with Farage.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          …not by you socialist Camerluvvies, for sure.

    • telemachus

      It is not difficult to back Farage when pitted against Clegg
      But it remains a circus

  • crosscop

    Good news. And if Farage can get a dig in about Clegg’s deceit after Lee Rigby was murdered ( deliberately misquoting the Koran to get Islam off the hook) so much the better. He should not be allowed to get away with misleading the nation in this way and so far nobody in politics or the media has dared to pull him up on it. Go on, Nigel – just read out what Clegg said and then read out what verses 5:32 and 5:33 actually say. And don’t forget to emphasise the bits about crucifying and mutilating people like Lee Rigby. Bury him.

    • Kitty MLB

      That whole sorry business leaves a stain on our entire country. We as a country are so very afraid of upsetting
      Islam now, and there are some who know they can get
      away with all sorts. Where is Great Britain, and when
      do we protect our own. Just do not ask Cleggie,
      he would have no idea.

      • Nicholas chuzzlewit

        Hi Kitty, politicians like Clegg have no interest in protecting “our own” because he does not regard himself as part of “our own”. Clegg believes he is part of a privileged elite for whom the normal rules of citizenship do not apply and that he is entitled to exercise power on behalf of the rest of us. We should not have a referendum on Europe for example because we are simply not intelligent enough to make the right choice or ‘his’ choice if you prefer. Elections and referenda are an inconvenience to people like Clegg who honestly believe we should all shut up, be grateful that he is taking the trouble to look after us and just let him get on with being fabulous. This whole farrago of nonsense about a debate on Europe is designed to burnish his credentials to like minded autocratic souls in Europe thus ensuring a remunerative sinecure for him when struck by electoral Armageddon in 2015. He remains a duplicitous, arrogant, dissembling, cowardly adherent of political elitism and a petulant child.

        • Conway

          Clegg believes it is “unpatriotic” to want to be free of the EU and running our own lives, so it’s pretty clear where his allegiance lies.

          • global city

            But he means as a patriotic ‘European’. He insists that this is our destiny, to purge ourselves of our evil nationalism… like we were continentals or something!

            it should always be asked of Europhiles who lie about it being the EU that has kept the peace why it is that we have to be sucked into the project as continental instincts to murder each other for glory, land and booty was never a British trait.

        • Makroon

          Probably. I think Clegg really thinks he can repeat his “triumph” of the election debates.

        • Kitty MLB

          Good, god! This post just turned up
          Clearly having issues with our e-mail.
          Totally agree with everything you said
          they see themselves set apart from those
          they serve, they should see their job
          as a duty but instead its a cosy career opportunity.

    • Alexsandr
      • telemachus

        Nottingham’s skyline will feature a minaret for the first time with the opening of a new mosque that its founders say will “help create a multicultural society”.

        I guess you post that to show that UKIP is not a one horse part but a true son of BNP

        • crosscop

          BNP? I remember Cameron and Merkel ( and Trevor Phillips)saying that multiculturalism had failed. Are they BNP? We don’t want a multicultural society – we want our country back. And mosques and minarets are not part of it.

          • telemachus

            Come on
            Times have moved on
            The multicultural society is where we are and are the future

            • crosscop

              I can’t decide if you are a quisling, a defeatist or an appeaser… or all three.

          • Makroon

            What about synagogues, churches, free-mason lodges, Scientology and Mormon churches etc. are they “part of our culture” ?

            • telemachus

              Those in the fifth and sixth centuries also wondered whether these alien churches proclaiming Jesus Christ were part of our heritage

            • crosscop

              “The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers…”

      • Rillian

        I don’t understand why a reasonable civilised society would even entertain barbaric pre-cultures, let alone encourage them.

        Back in a minute, I’ve just got to go worship the Sun otherwise it won’t come up tomorrow…

  • Alexsandr

    ‘Cameron because the PM can argue that his party, which has a realistic chance of governing in 2015, has already promised an EU referendum’ That made me laugh. They will dream up some reason to wriggle out of it. Remember the cast iron guarantee over Lisbon?
    OK Hooky, your turn to call me a swivel eyed little Englander. I’m waiting. Please don’t disappoint.

    • Kitty MLB

      I may not be a Cameroon, I may believe that the referendum
      is a figleaf of a promise to see off Ukip and to stop Camerons backbenchers from snapping at his heels, but
      Cameron has much more integrity then Cleggie, Milipede, Balls and everyone else in those miserable hodgepodge
      of parties, they would not even allow a referendum,
      and besides even Cameron at his most greasy
      cannot slip out of that one- unless I am missing something,
      and 2017 is just a major deception , Hmmm!

      • telemachus

        See above
        2017 will come and go and we will notice no difference

      • Mynydd

        To date Labour is the only party that as actually held, not just talked about, an in/out referendum. Mr Clegg and Mr Miliband agreed to the change in the law to make it mandatory to hold a referendum when there is a transfer of power from the UK to the EU. What they are not party to is Mr Cameron’s figleaf referendum.
        With respect to integrity, did Mr Cameron uphold his honesty, when he said in a Party Political Broadcast, we are paying down debt, when was known to be going up.

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