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Feminism must pay attention to the boys let down by our education system

4 February 2014

12:39 PM

4 February 2014

12:39 PM

The Universities and Colleges Admission Service (UCAS) has released its latest admission statistics, and they aren’t pretty. Of the 580,000 people that applied for places at British institutions, 333,700 of them were women. Only 246,300 men applied, a difference of 87,000. The figures show that the gender gap is particularly wide among poorer households.

Perhaps this is some small victory for the women’s movement – after all, more women in tertiary education means more women with decent career prospects. But what about the men? If feminist ideology defends equal political, social and economic rights for women, then by that token, they should want equal political, social and economic rights for men. Equality can’t be lopsided.

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So UCAS’s data looks pretty rum: somewhere along the line, boys are being deterred from going to university. But at which point are they being put off? When faced with a personal statement? Perhaps. But the likelihood is that they are deterred earlier on, given that our school system has tended to favour girls.

Fraser Nelson has written in the Telegraph about how sexual inequality has reversed in Britain in recent years: ‘We’re witnessing the continuation of a long trend. Girls overtook boys for school exam performance in the 1980s and outnumbered them in universities in the 1990s,’ he said.

It’s true. The current school system is skewed to suit female traits. Educational psychologists consistently find that girls tend to have higher standards in the classroom, and are more critical of their own performance. With a system that values continuous assessment and coursework, it’s no wonder conscientious girls can achieve highly. They perform well under these conditions, and head onwards and upwards through GCSEs, A-Levels and on to university. If I compare my achievements at school with those of my two younger brothers, it’s clear that the  system suited me far better than them: it landed me with A*s and As, while my more impulsive, boisterous brothers ended up with the occasional E. But intelligence can be measured in many ways – I was just lucky that the current system measured mine auspiciously. But in a different system, one that perhaps favoured a more physical, active style of learning, our grades may have been reversed.

With the school system skewed towards academic rewards for girls, it’s not surprising that more women are carrying on to university. But if we care about gender equality, then we have a problem on our hands. Because any feminist worth their salt will see that a system that gives the upper hand to one sex over the other is flawed.

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    Fat Feminists cry foul when people point out the truth of obesity. Fatties call it fat shaming. Feminists are basically jealous fat girls.

    God created lesbians to stop feminists from breeding!

    The other word for feminist is: Misandrist.

  • Kaitlin Powell

    I would never hold your breath and wait for a feminist to do a damn thing for men or boys. Feminist compassion toward men and boys is perfuming the icepick before they drive it into their back.

  • Dude

    Isn’t it about time men realized that feminism is about destroying men. In many countries now women actually have more rights than men. Even rape laws do not recognize women being offenders. Men are still buying into the stupid feminist lie and still support their bullshit over and over again. I suppose serves them right, they reap what they sow.
    ‘Feminism is the radical notion that men are not human.’

  • andyrwebman

    The “advance” in girls education results has been achieved in a mixture of ways:

    – some genuine improvements
    – a shifting of the system to measure hard work instead of aptitude (even science is becoming an essay writing subject)
    – a progressive sabotaging of the prospects of boys to make them perform worse.

    Don’t ask the feminists to care, they were never about gender equality – they were, rather, about assuming that all inequality was inequality suffered by women. And that the solution to any issue of inequality is to help…women!

    I remember how much I hated English at school being taught emotional clap trap by a feminist (depsite being generally a straight A student up until then)

    On the other hand I excelled at Science and Maths because these were still proper academic subjects measuring aptitude (the rot had not spread into them at that stage).

    Nowadays the maths exams are rubbish and we are not taking advantage of boys’ natural skill in this area to create the geniuses and engineers this country needs.

    Don’t ask the feminists to help – they’re the ones that messed it up in the first place!

  • Simco123

    Take women doctors as an example, it cost £500k to train a doctor but 70% of women doctors leave the profession, the remainder mostly opt for part time to fit around their own lifestyle. The UK has to import 40% foreign doctors because of the shiortfall largely because women doctors quiting the profession. Research discovered one male doctor on average is worth two female doctors based on the amount of work done yet medical school accept 65% female students based on exam results that was skewed towards course work and continous assesment that help girls marks.
    Not just medical profession but this pattern is repeated right across the industry.
    The problem is women with degrees to put it bluntly and on the whole is costing rather than copntributing towards the economy. No politician has the gut to admit it because they could lose womens votes. The real reason why the Education Secretary Michael Grove changed the law to reintroduce final examination and get rid of course work and return to the the old system is to stem the tide of women going into universities and have more men at universities. Hopefully in a few years time more men will go to universities and we will see more useful graduate composed of more men that would help contribute towards the economy than the mess we have right now.

  • Marie Louise Noonan

    Feminism is redundant. Abolish it.

  • Tom Spring

    HOLD ON A FUCKING SECOND…

    I read an article a few months back with some feminists talking about the reason why females were getting below the minimum requirement at military boot camp is because its a ‘male dominated industry’
    So when men arent doing as well as women, its mens fault, when women arent doing as well as men, its mens fault

    Seeing the massive progression from gender equality to gender superiority day by day is genuinely making me scared. Thank god most of it is over in the US, and the UK is safe for now. But when that day comes, I’m just leaving civilisation, because this is the stuff of horror movies.

    • Fergus Pickering

      And where outside civilisation are you to be found. Camping out?

    • andyrwebman

      The daft thing is that we need only realise our strength.

      Men are the police, the army, the manual labour, phyically stronger and better equipped to fight.

      If we could but work together we could tell the feminists to stick it where it doesn’t shine in a very short time!

  • Eddie

    Good article. The school system is indeed skewed towards female ways of doing things – but don’t expect a system where 70%+ of teachers are female and most in teacher training are ‘politically correct’ to even acknowledge that makes and females are innately different in the brain, let alone do anything about it!

    Interestingly, in IQ tests males do on average 5% better than females. Moreover, of those in the top 10% of IQ, 95% are male. Females group around the middle – and that is another reason why more girls pass courses (not exams – because coursework can be half of a final mark). If you dumb down and lower the bar, more of that lump in the middle – mostly female – will pass eh?

    The fact is, lower class white boys are the most discriminated against type of person in Britain. The whole school system is against them – and there are no good training schools as in mainland Europe where they can learn skills and do stuff from age 13; in the workplace, foreigners get apprenticeships and jobs before them – or women and ethnics, who benefit from ‘positive action’.

    Middle class boys do just as well as ever – I would have passed all my exams in any system, I know, even one institutionally misandrist, like the UK school system.

    One thing: you day ‘after all, more women in tertiary education means more women with decent career prospects.’
    Oh no it doesn’t – not these days when almost half the population go to university and get easy-peasy degrees with levels of ability that wouldn’t have passed a single O-level. So many graduates means one thing: the already advantaged and well-connected get all the plum jobs. Everyone else can work at Aldi.

  • Cyril Sneer

    “Equality can’t be lopsided.”

    Well…. um… yes… it can, according to the left. If you’re a lefty then this is precisely what you subscribe to.

    Do you really think militant feminists ever wanted actual real equality of the sexes? I think you’re sadly mistaken.

    And, re this article, will anything be done about it? Well are the victims mostly white? And are the victims Male? If yes to both then nothing will be done as per liberal ‘equality’.

    • digigenocide

      The day I see feminists protesting courts giving women less harsh sentences is the day I believe feminist want equality. I’ve said this to several feminist and they always reply with, we have other things to do first.

  • ShoutsatTV

    And does higher academic performance mean higher real world results? Not usually. That Mrs. degree gets in the way, if they can find a sperm donor.

  • MGTOW 4Ever

    Why is it that every one just rags on and hates the white man? Really if it wasn’t for the White man, 1. There would be no feminism. 2. Progresive thinking. 3. No technology 4. No Medicine. People see white people as the devil but then ask your self on whos or more precisely gender corpses was western civilization built. Women have rights because White men allowed it. Don’t like it go elsewhere and see if its better. Better yet go to an Islamic country.

    • Cyril Sneer

      Because liberalism is the ism that controls the western world all the way though to it’s way of thinking. So much so, that to many ‘liberals’ to reject mass immigration is to reject all immigration, to show ones own racism and bigotry. To oppose gay marriage is to be homophobic. Any religious concern or view is to be ridiculed unless it’s from the religion of peace who have ‘protected status’.

      Google New Media Journal for an article titled ‘The Victim Value Index’, this will give you some insight into liberalism and its disease of the western mind.

      Liberalism is suicide for the west.

      • Bannanas

        the fact that your against The entire other half of America, shows your mind Is utter garbage. If you cant change your views based on the situation at hand be they liberal or conservative. then you and those like you. are suicide for the west.
        You know im right. you know that having a static and unwavering hatred for a specific set of ideals be they Conservadick or libtard will leave you making wrong decisions just for the sake of making wrong decisions.

    • Bannanas

      just signed in to let you know your comment is 90% bullshit. you overstate White male achievement’s pretty hard. infact its borderline racist. not the Islamic part because that’s pretty true. just your assumption that the world would apparently be nothing but savages without White males.

      • MGTOW 4Ever

        Are you that stupid.. Ever notice the General color of Europe? You know Britain? France, Germany ? There is a reason the race is called Caucasian. No where did I say Savages are every where else. You failed to comprehend that its the White male/European built most of the things that everyone enjoys in Western Civilization. This goes ten fold for the ungrateful that live in said countries.

  • Daniel Maris

    If you’re worried about gender equality in education, why aren’t you interested about gender equality in employment? From casual observation I’d say 98%, maybe 99%, of employees in the construction are men. Isn’t this outrageous. What are you doing Laura to make sure we get more women up ladders, mixing concrete, laying tiles on roofs in the rain, brick-laying and crawling around in confined spaces putting in the plumbing? I fear the answer is not a lot. :)

    • digigenocide

      There are almost no women mining coal or drilling for oil either. But screw those, we need to get more women in programming, engineering, and CEO positions.

      • Doug Lefelhocz

        But you can’t sell “feminism” to women if you try to encourage them to go into hazardous and dangerous position. Could you imagine placards which say something like this:

        “I need feminism, because I want more women to work in coal mines.”

        “I need feminism, because women should have to register with the selective service system or not get student loans (in the U. S.) just like their brothers.”

        • Marie Louise Noonan

          Many women did do that: during both the first and second world wars. However, they were, for the most part, not motivated by ‘feminism’.

          • andyrwebman

            Nope, just by love and understanding of what needs to be done. Which is a much better way of doing things.

  • grutchyngfysch

    The last thing anyone needs is more blooming identity politics. “Meninism” might be the closest thing we have to an admission of guilt though: change the first letter, and you’re on the money.

  • disqus_KdiRmsUO4U

    The UK educational. system lets the nation down.

    Overwhelmingly ‘decent career prospects ‘ means getting the taxpayer to fund your lifestyle.

    The financial system screws us
    The legal system screws us.
    The welfare system screws decent modest respectable people who do their best.and supports the feckless at the bottom of the social hierarchy and the self regarding at the top
    Name me one actor chappie worthy of a subsidy.

    What is more those who screw us don’t know the difference between a hammer and a screwdriver..

    • Fergus Pickering

      Splodgy painting and carbuncle architecture are perpetrated mostly by white males. Whether they are white and from the working class I really couldn’t say.

  • andagain

    If feminist ideology defends equal political, social and economic rights
    for women, then by that token, they should want equal political, social
    and economic rights for men.

    Why? Equality between X and Y means one thing, equality for X requires that X be at least as well off as Y in every respect. Which means, in practice, that X will be better off than Y in some respect.

    And incidently, equal results are not the same thing as equal rights.

    • Eddie

      Ergo, feminists do NOT want gender equality.
      There never have though, really, have they?
      Men who believe in everyone being treated equally are routinely accused of being seck-sist, because – see – in Femiworld, if you don’t support ‘positive action’ (ie gender discrimination) against men to get more women in top jobs, you are someone against equality, according to those who use the spurious ‘equality of action’ to justify such discrimination.

  • Smithersjones2013

    Frankly the best thing that women could do to improve men’s lot is stop interfering in male society. Stop the nannying and the matronism and let boys be boys.

  • Jambo25

    Is anybody surprised? White, working class boys have had about the same status as sh.t on the sole of your shoe for quite a while now. When they grow up and have no jobs, no prospects and little hope they aren’t victims but feral troublemakers who need to be controlled. They simply aren’t “diverse”, “vibrant” or cuddlesome. In our increasingly identity politics obsessed age they have an identity which doesn’t really appeal to the political or media classes. Nor do they help themselves as they are too disorganised. There is no white, working class, male equivalent to the femo lobby. There are no organisations for the furtherance of the interests of specifically white, working class police officers. There are no white, working class caucuses in political parties.
    When the Brixton, Toxteth and Broadwater Farm riots took place in the 80s you couldn’t get moving for committees of inquiry and money being flung at the supposed problems. No rioter was safe from Michael Heseltine wanting to give them money. One of my pals, in Leicester, lived on the edge of the area of rioting there. “Diverse” of course. He did much of his rather large house up with his ‘riot money’.
    When white, working class youth in the almost wholly white Meadow Well area of Newcastle rioted against their awful area and lack of jobs the reaction was rather different. No immediate sympathetic committees of inquiry. No ‘understanding’ from the authorities or the press. No cuddly uncle Michael flinging bundles of cash at them. Instead near universal condemnation and scorn from all sides of the political spectrum. They were chav scum. It took a rather impassioned piece in the Telegraph by, I think, Max Hastings to remind people that these rioting youth were the sons and grandsons of the men who built Britain and furnished her with some of the world’s finest infantry to fight in her wars. Now they were being left to rot. I have to say the article didn’t achieve much. The Meadow Well rioters ought to have encouraged a lot more non-whites, gays and butch femos to join them and they would have got more sympathy.
    I worked in teaching for 30 odd years: for much of that time heavily engaged in careers and HE entry work at school, local and national level. Increasingly, I was inundated with materials from WISE, WISC, LEAPS, SWAP, Sutton Trust and many other organisations: much of it aimed sat getting specifically females and ethnic minorities into HE. Strangely enough there was never anything aimed specifically at white, working class boys. I spent hours trying to get in-school initiatives organised to help boys but nothing came of them. They simply didn’t ring the bells of school management teams or increasingly female guidance staff. So unless white , working class boys start to organise or star rioting , big time, and ripping the place apart nothing will happen.

    • Pootles

      A damn good post!

      • Jambo25

        Thank you form the kind words Pootles. It was you initial posting that got me going. Essentially, I simply expanded that posting.

        • Pootles

          Mutual admiration society in progress… Actually, it’s just true.

          • Kitty MLB

            Indeed

      • Colonel Mustard

        Yes, credit where credit is due. Jambo25 and I seldom agree but happily in this instance we do.

    • La Fold

      Never heard it put better. White working class men are the whipping boys of the current left wing victimhood ideology that places ththemese men generally in the role of oppressors of pretty much everyone, everywhere, always.
      Its the same reasoning that will see supposed “liberals”, feminists, anti fascists etc joining forces with Wahhabist salafist organisations on the streets. The usual argument is that foreign policy, lack of opportunity disllusionment and historical prejudice drives these minorities into the extremist fold. Yet try arguing that same line of reasoning why disenfrachised young men neglected by domestic policy and who are told they are the problem join organisations such as the EDL and see what reaction you get.

      PS before anyone says it i am not nor have i ever been part of the EDL

      • Jambo25

        We’re of like minds.

    • Cymrugel

      Extremely well put.
      Unfortunately now you are going to get all the right wingers crawling out of the woodwork attacking initiatives for women and ethnic minorities as if they are taking the money from white boys.
      We need to encourage people across the board as far as we can. An HE sector inhabited solely by posh people with money will quite simply not meet the needs of the country.

      • Jambo25

        It isn’t one or the other. It should be both. However, it has to be recognised that in the education world of the past few decades it is boys and particularly white, working class boys who have literally been the forgotten men. It also has to be recognised that when something like this is brought up it isn’t just the right which crawls out of the woodwork but sections of the liberal left as well. Anyone who brings up the plight of white, working class boys is liable to come in for accusations of sexism or racism.

        • Cyril Sneer

          Google ‘New Media Journal – Victim Value Index’

          • Jambo25

            Thank you I’ll do that

      • Fergus Pickering

        Let’s hear it for posh people with money, folks. They have given us much of what makes our civiliisation worthwhile.

      • andyrwebman

        You shouldn’t really need a special initiative for any group, you just need a system that spots areas of failure and tackles the human beings that need help – I deliberately used the term “human beings” to illustrate that I don’t want special treatment for anybody.

        Accept that any group of people with a shared “identity” is going to have a mixture of individuals – your “identity” doesn’t give your personality.

        Have initiatives to encourage people who are extrovert, another for ones who are shy, perhaps a few other general categories, and let the individuals pick whatever suits them best.

        Keep collecting feedback from all kids until at least 90% say there’s something for them, then quietly work on the remainder.

        If you don’t succeed after that, it’s your own fault.

  • Kitty MLB

    Another point if I may.
    The charming Michael Gove will be making more emphasis on Science
    and Maths, still male dominated subjects , so perhaps boys will become
    more interested- also maybe teachers will be qualified enough to teach them,
    so therefore they might not fail.

  • HY

    Hasn’t that heroic ‘devil in a skirt’ Michael Gove already taken action to reverse the “girly-fication” of the the exam system? I am right in thinking that he is going to do away with coursework, modules, and endless re-sits? One set of exam papers at the end of a two year course will soon redress the balance!

  • Kitty MLB

    Excellent article Lara.
    Boys have indeed been let down by our education system,
    mind you it does not help that they are not interested in studying as early as
    girls are ! yet you need to add another couple of words such as ‘ white’ and ‘ working class’ . Because boys from ethnic minorities do get more support, and
    boys from countries such as India and China usually come from families, where academic achievement is important.
    I also agree with you in regards to that wretched word ‘ feminism’ ,
    brings to mind, tattooed and somewhat butch women ( probably a misjudgement on my part) and I do not approve of men constantly being put down by the Harriet
    Hateman type. everyone should have respect.
    its also unfortunate, but we will not have true equality until men can actually give birth
    and woman can remove spiders from the bath.

    • Smithersjones2013

      mind you it does not help that they are not interested in studying as early as girls are

      And for our next piece of bigoted feminist stereotyping?

      • Kitty MLB

        If you were to red my posts in the other place ( CH)
        you will know that I an most certainly not a feminist-
        I loathe that Word .
        I apologise, chaps clearly are very sensitive souls! all little boys are different in character-
        some are more bookish then others- some just like
        rolling about in the mud and playing sports but not all of them.
        Also some little girls like studying and some prefer sitting in trees
        throwing apples- we are all different- but none more then
        males and females- and should appreciate the differences
        in our genders.
        Excuse me while go and shoot a pheasant for dinner and cook it!

        • Smithersjones2013

          I did read the rest of your post and the lack of self awareness and the clearly unconscious use of feminist attitudes was fascinating.

          Now where’s that pheasant!

          • Kitty MLB

            No one is superior or inferior to anyone else due to privileged of birth,
            wealth or where they are fortunate or unfortunate enough to live. Although there are some male and female who have inferior education
            ( not their fault) others have no sense of humour or inferior manners such as you, obviously.
            The pheasant is fine thank you most kindly,
            although I have a confession to make- it was already plucked and in the fridge.
            What are you having Kipper fillets.

            • Eddie

              Well, feminists have no sense of humour, mind – that’s for sure.
              And female comedians are mostly totally unfunny, no matter how the pc BBC shoves them and the laughable efforts of female footballers and rugby players down our throats.
              A world where it’s all 50/50 male/female at all levels of everything is not a world that truly reflects merit.

              • Fergus Pickering

                You’re wrong about female comedians surely. It’s leftie comedians that don’t make me laugh. And most of them are men. Let’s hear it for Dolly Parton, folks.

                • Eddie

                  Dear oh dear. Good comedy – performing and writing – is a male thing. Women just are not funny – except with their clothes off maybe…
                  Comic actresses, yes. But great comedians? Nope. I really am not the first person to state that. I say what I see.
                  You seem to be living one some sort of strange Planet Janet, Fergus!

                • Kitty MLB

                  Dear oh dear.
                  Wrong, young Edward, honestly, on this subject
                  If you had an original thought in your head it would be in isolation 😉
                  Jennifer Saunders, Debra Stephenson , and Sue Perkins
                  is quite amusing at times- not sure about Jo Brand.
                  Certain things such as Blackadder, and Monty Python
                  needed chaps more then ladies-
                  Yet, ladies are amusing, helps if they are not run of the mill !
                  and Edward, we put up with you, big hairy square jawed creations, so therefore we should be able to write a comedy,
                  perhaps on the mannerisms of the quintessential English
                  male. Would you like to have a little wager with me Edward.

                • Eddie

                  I find no female comedians really funny. Many people are the same. That is not to say that the diversity-obsessed BBC does not discriminate against funnier male comedians to give unfunny female ones their own series. That is indeed what has happened.
                  There are one or two exceptions. Saunders wrote ABFAB. But otherwise, no female stand-up is really good imho, and as for writing funny, well just look at who writes the jokes (incl those for female comedians) and the film scripts.
                  Read some Christopher Hitchens, love.
                  Males and females are innately different with different brains and aptitudes – why men tend to be better at comedy, technology, leadership, risk-taking, building stuff, spatial awareness, sport etc.

                • Kitty MLB

                  Perhaps you know more about comedy then I do,
                  yet I find the truly amusing people are those who do not realise they are amusing.
                  Your list Edward- Ladies can be good leaders,
                  Thatcher was old chap.
                  Excuse me-spatial awareness, some of us can reverse, and park a car 😉 and men are not very good at asking for directions.
                  Also ladies can multi task- you boys, have never got the hang of that one.

                • Eddie

                  Oh dear.
                  Thatcher was an exception and an honorary man who also used her gender brilliantly to play the ordinary housewife to get elected. Her image was created by men though, and her speeches were mostly written by them too!
                  Spatial awareness. OMG. Have you ever seen a woman trying to park? Women drive half as much as men but have twice the accidents, despite only toddling around the local areas (and they still manage to drive into things!). Ditto for women’s sport. Dreadful. However, there are exceptions – some women (manly ones…) have good spatial awareness. Martina N at tennis, for example.
                  You are parroting the feminist propaganda that men cannot multitask. Yes they can! With the small trivial tasks that women boast about multitasking. Men however can focus on things without distraction – something butterfly-brained women just can’t do!
                  No, men do not ask for directions because they are intelligent enough to realise the folly of this approach. Instead, they take a risk and try things instead of always looking for reassurance and support. More confidence, see, for better and for worse. But not dull and risk-averse like most women, at least.

        • Eddie

          On average, males have a higher IQ than females, who tend to cluster around the middling IQ levels.
          At the top of the intellectual range, in the top 10% of IQs, males utterly dominate.
          Therefore, it seems the lower your IQ, the better you will do in our school system! Hoorah!
          ANY teacher will tell you that – the real stars, even in supposedly female subjects like languages, are boys – and that’s why boys always get the highest marks at all level and win the exam board prizes.
          We live in a society where being middling can get you straight As – so long as you do what you are told and regurgitate as teacher wants. That is what girls do.
          FACT: our school system has been designed to appeal to innate female aptitudes.
          Create a school system with pure exams, fact-based papers, and traditional teaching, and see the boys exceed the girls in grades – and dominate the top end, as always.
          It’s all evolution. You can’t fight it. Boys take risks and excel; girls don’t because they are built to have babies and to be pregnant all the time.

          • Fergus Pickering

            I wouldn’t go overboard on IQs at the top or bottom of the scale. Those who devise such tests say they are useful only in the middle range. My brother has an extremely high IQ but he’s an idiot.

            • Kitty MLB

              Intelligence, academic, and common sense are all different
              things ( I have no idea what common sense actually is)
              The true sign of intelligence is the imagination ( that thing which gives colour and zing to our little grey cells)
              which opens up the creative genius of the human mind,
              without it we would not have progressed very far as humans,
              from the time two men rubbed sticks together to create fire,
              up to the modern world we have today.
              Also, I must say, you poor fair- natured big, strong brother ( he must be older)
              You must have been a nightmare, frogs in the bed, spiders in
              shoes. He probably took you into the garden to breakup the
              coal because you were getting under your mums feet
              and swinging the cat around by its tail, and you probably
              threw the coal at the birds– I must defend big brothers and indeed
              big sisters

              • Fergus Pickering

                I’m prepared to bet it was two women who rubbed the sticks together.

                My brother threw an axe at me once. I felt the wind as it whizzed by my ear.

                Nope. The coal needed breaking up. It was too big fior the grate.

                • Kitty MLB

                  You are probably right about the two women
                  rubbing sticks together, men are not very good at
                  multi tasking, so therefore looked at the two sticks
                  and wondered how you moved them together at the same time. They were just sitting their picking their ears- as chaps do !
                  What did you do to your poor big brother to deserve that,
                  honestly, he must have had a wretched time of things.
                  Did you also push him into ponds.
                  Mind you, perhaps you were meant to catch the axe,
                  but you missed.
                  Glad you have both ears though Fergus, or
                  you would have resembled Vincent Van Gogh
                  maybe you even had red hair whilst your brother clearly
                  wash fair.
                  Also, I have worked out what nutty slack is–
                  Clearly food to have whilst breaking up coal..
                  I knew I would get there eventually..
                  but I know your lips are sealed.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  No. My little brother. Aren’t I obviously a big brother? And a reddish haired one.though sadly baldy now. Your idea about nutty slack is ingenious, but wrong. I shall tell you the answer soon. It is not all that exciting..

                • Kitty MLB

                  No, Fergus it was not obvious, I am utterly lost for words !!!!
                  Older brothers are supposed to set an example, not create
                  mischief and mayhem. Your delightful little brother should have been on the Qui Vive, and slowed down your badgering
                  by persuading the parents to farm you out occasionally.
                  ‘Reddish Haired One’ man talk for ‘ Carrot Top’-
                  You never denied little brother was angelically blonde,
                  and probably aged like fine claret ( whereas…Emmm !)
                  Mind you, its probably good that you are bald as a coot
                  these days instead of having a full mop of grey hair-
                  I am remembering the words of either Evelyn Waugh
                  or P G Wodehouse when one of them said :
                  The cure for grey hair is the guillotine…Ouch !!!
                  Also, heed thy pace, Never tell me what Nutty Slack is,
                  must work that out for myself, but I have noticed you are
                  using subterfuge to push me off track, did not work,
                  just makes the whole thing sound more intriguing.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  Nothing remotely intriguing abut nutty slack. Why it’s …

                • Kitty MLB

                  You completed a sentence with ‘ Why it’s..’
                  I could say why its what ?
                  I know its not intriguing really, I will stop
                  with that.
                  If I continue
                  plodding along repeating the words ‘ Nutty Slack’
                  I shall be nothing but a bore.
                  I must also confess to having a somewhat
                  whimsical sense of humour that matches
                  my obscure and unfathomable character-
                  Perhaps I should reign it in a little.
                  The husband says I am marmite.
                  I must disappear, assuming I can leave these lanes,
                  the flooding down here is now very concerning.
                  Have a very pleasant day.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  You are not Marmite. Bovril erhaps. Warm and sustaining. G.K. Chesteron’s Father Brown drank Bovril. Need I say more except that nutty slack …

                • Kitty MLB

                  I am not completing my sentences,
                  I know its not intriguing because you said so.
                  Now I will disappear off into town if this rain continues
                  we might need a boat instead of a car.
                  By the Way, I am sure both you and your little
                  brother adore each other really :)

                • Fergus Pickering

                  I get on excellently with my brother. Since he lives happily in Yell (Shetland) we are about a thousand miles from each other.

                • Kitty MLB

                  I am very pleased to here that, but if I may be excused for saying
                  I was going to mention something about the word ‘Since’ but changed my mind. A thousand miles is bit of a distance though.
                  If you like whilst the Husband and I are in haggis land I could
                  pop over especially to give little brother a Cameroon- hug- a husky-hug- from his big brother Fergus, and even take some of Cameron’s husky chums- I probably will get arrested though
                  and the Husky’s sent to Norway- but such as life !
                  A question, If Scotland voted for independence- and most believe they will because they say Scotland hates the Tories far more the they hate England, so therefore with a conservative government ( I am biting my tongue ) this is the ideal time for them to grasp the nettle . So I wonder if the beautiful
                  Shetland would also like independence from Scotland?
                  but perhaps that is not financially possible, Yet
                  the equally Norway could always reclaim her…

                • Fergus Pickering

                  I think they will not. They like to march up and down and make great to-do, but they are also fond of money as everybody knows, and suspect that a proud, independent Scotland may be a little short of the readies. Therefore they will vote No. That, at least is what I think. All fur coat and no knickers as my granny used to say.

                • Eddie

                  ‘You are probably right about the two women
                  rubbing sticks together, men are not very good at
                  multi tasking, ,
                  1) so you DO agree that males and femals are innately different?
                  2) this ‘women can multitask and men can’t’ schtik started in the 90s – born of the insecurity of feminists who always strive to claim superiority over men in the face of massive male achievements. But there is a grain of truth – females evolved to have babies and look after them, and to do that while doing other minor tasks (kneading dough, making clothes, cooking etc). Men would tend to do tasks one after the other BUT research shows men finish all tasks more quickly that way. Anyway, you cannot multitask with big things (eg do brain surgery and weed the garden at the same time!) only with trivial tasks.
                  Moreover, men have the glorious ability to focus on one thing exclusively and obsessively – THAT is what created civilisation, NOT doing domestic tasks together (and anyway, men can quite easily multitask as much as women if they want, from what I see). Newton spent 25 years in a room doing maths, for example. But then, as Greer has said, women do not do genius. That includes creative genius too – which takes risk, obsession and that high level functioning men excel at.
                  Men on average have IQs 10% higher than women’s yet girls on average do 10% better than boys at GCSE – ergo, school qualifications do not test intelligence. They reward mediocrity and plodding – and females are great at that.

                • Kitty MLB

                  Apologies about the errors- The computer
                  is having a moment, and it clearly does not approve of me
                  ( its fine when the husband uses it)
                  The Tablet that I am using at the moment is not much better, it gives me a headache it really
                  does !

        • andyrwebman

          “Excuse me while go and shoot a pheasant for dinner and cook it”

          Nice mix of traditional male and female roles there!

          I don’t think it’s entirely unfair to say that boys don’t want to work so much earlier on. I was one of the brainy ones and I still wanted to play more than work.

          I think it’s fair to say that boys need either a clever teacher who gets them interested, or else to be in a system where there’s a firm hand to temper anybody’s willfulness. Ideally a bit of both.

          But boisterous boys are not defective girls!

    • Eddie

      ‘mind you it does not help that they are not interested in studying as early as
      girls are !’
      Oh yes they are! No evidence at all for what you say.
      Middle class boys study just as early, and boys do tend to be much better at maths, science, and competitive stuff than girls, who veer towards speaking, supporting and caring roles. And those boys who are less academic are interested in doing things that meet their needs – learning facts, making models etc rather than endless discussion-based feminised circle-time in our femi-school-system.
      Girls do develop language at an earlier age – boys are way better at problem-solving, motor skills, being competitive. It is all basically preparation for women having babies young and being mothers, and men being hunters and leaders.
      However, the ‘politically correct’ mindset in out education system is that there is NO innate brain or behaviour difference other than that caused by social conditioning, parenting, gendered toys etc. These twerps actually believe that, despite massive evidence to the contrary.

      • Fergus Pickering

        In criminality boys certainly lead the way. And haven’t we more than enough hunters and leaders?

        • Eddie

          And the motivation for male criminality? Getting money and status to attract and/or pay for females.

          • Fergus Pickering

            The woman tempted me and I did eat My did Ronnie Kray do it then? Must have been his mum..

            • Eddie

              Take a look at the range of criminals out there (not exceptional psychos). Most want money and status to impress women – because, let’s face it, we are all monkeys in the end and females go for alpha males!
              If men fight, it is either because of a woman or money. If men steal, the same applies.
              Of course, men also work hard to achieve good things to impress women too!
              Such is the way of the world, son.

              • Kitty MLB

                Excuse me, Young Edward, I think we have progressed from swinging from trees.
                Yes, woman still prefer the alpha male, and they have through out history ( unless you are Samantha Cameron)-
                Although the alpha male must have intelligence and wit.
                Probably in the past, it was about being strong, healthy
                and being able to produce children.
                Also men do not just fight for money or women,
                men also like to compete with other men- a reason for fighting.

    • Fergus Pickering

      No everybody should not have respect. There’s far too much respect slopping around for people who deserve no such thing.

      • Kitty MLB

        (People, excuse my posts today, having
        to use the blasted tablet instead of computer)
        Those words were meant as a dig at Harriet
        who has nothing but contempt in her dark void
        of a soul.
        Maybe there is a lot of pretend respect shopping
        around, but its all somewhat spurious.
        True respect is difficult to obtain and easy to lose,
        it must always be earnt.
        Politicians, Bankers, Police etc , and many others
        in this country have lost that.
        Lefties use their lack of respect as a way to
        cause division.

        • Fergus Pickering

          Dark void of a soul! Poetry, pure poetry.

          • Kitty MLB

            Thank you most kindly.

      • Kitty MLB

        I have no idea if the other e-mail was sent, having huge trouble
        with computer and tablet, as well as Disqus today-
        so apologies people ( Especially the major)
        resending it- wording may be different because I never ever write anything down first, so forget what I say- apologies if it did get wherever – just ignore this one.
        That remark was a dig at Harriet Harman who has nothing but contempt in the dark soul.
        Respect is difficult to get and very easy to lose, and must
        always be earned, lefties use their lack of respect as a weapon
        and a way to cause division, which is why its important not to prejudge.
        Perhaps there is the appearance of too much respect
        shopping around, but its somewhat spurious in nature.
        Politicians, Bankers, Police and many others most certainly no longer deserve respect,.

      • Marie Louise Noonan

        It means nothing if it’s given to everyone.

  • Colonel Mustard

    Nothing on the leaked and published Guardian Falkirk report?

    • allymax bruce

      Favour trading.

  • La Fold

    Just thinking back to when I was at univeristy and on my enginering course out of a first year class of around 150 students there were only two women. However when all the engineering class herberts were allowed to go up to the new campus which housed all the new, albeit in my eyes “softer” courses such as corporate comms., administration, media studies, fashion and journalism etc, you could see the ratio to men to women be almost the opposite.
    Maybe in recent years the higher numbers of these “soft” courses, which seem to have a greater attraction to women, which are now available is also helping explain the growing gap between male and female undergraduate numbers.

    • Funcuz Chris

      I think you’ve hit the nail on the head.

      Most of what passes for university education these days is pure fluff and drivel. A master’s degree in gender studies gets you what kind of job exactly ? Well , pretty well the only job that one could possibly attain from such a degree would be one where you teach gender studies. Is there actually any sort of need for these kinds of courses ? Only in the sense that they’re self-perpetuating. If we didn’t have people holding these degrees looking for jobs we wouldn’t have universities granting such degrees in the first place. It’s truly a completely artificial career field.
      Of course , people with such degrees don’t get the jobs they want. They wind up doing something that requires one to simply have a degree , any degree which proves that they went to university.

      Naturally this sort of frilly nonsense is viewed as being useless by males. If you go to a country such as China , nobody has a degree in social work. People there go to university to become lawyers , engineers , doctors , nurses , and so on. While it’s true that the quality of the education in China is lackluster at best , it’s also undeniable that they’re churning out people who actually have a shot at getting employed and making good money.

      I would never waste time or money on a degree in the contemporary humanities. It truly is wasted money. Not because the subject matter is necessarily pointless or trivial but because there is very little likelihood of getting a job in the end. Moreover , very little is taught in the softest of the humanities that has any basis in reality. It’s all theory and hypothesis taught as though it were established fact.

      The only fact is that if you’ve paid for a degree in gender studies (only one example among many) you’ve literally paid a small fortune so that somebody can brainwash you. These departments are indoctrination centers not educational facilities.

      Until we get the ideologues off the university direction boards we will continue to see the ratio of males to females fall.

      • StephanieJCW

        “If you go to a country such as China , nobody has a degree in social work. ”

        In fairness we do actually need social workers!

      • La Fold

        A young woman I know ended up coming out with a 2:1 in Corporate Communications and what she appears to do now is essentially PR. Firstly a job she gained through nepotism at the univeristy we both attended ans secondly for an Oil Company. 4 years studying how to do a press release?! Sweet baby jesus and the orphans.

    • StephanieJCW

      Also a lot of the more, ‘blue collar’ labour, which may attract boys straight out of school, is still seen as very male dominated.

      Plus girls are taught that it’s very important to be self-sufficient (a lesson all our children need to learn) and so think obtaining a higher education is the best way to do that.

      • La Fold

        I fully concur with you. I got kicked out of the army for medical reasons and started my career as a signmaker and metal worker.And in my working life I have done many a job from a mechanical engineer to building offshore drilling rig motors, delivering kegs of lager to working on building sites carrying bricks and breeze blocks up 3 floors of scaffolding in the pouring rain. I just dont see many feminists or “equaltists” if such a thing exists bemoaning the fact that there are not enough women hod carriers or cement mixers, presumably because they are low paid, hard and dirty jobs that they wouldnt do themselves.

        • StephanieJCW

          In all fairness there is no end of low paid, dirty, hard jobs for women to do, be it cleaners, childcare assistants, carers in nursing homes etc.

          So why would feminists want or need to have even greater numbers of women in low paid jobs? The gap is in the better paid, more influential end of the job market.

          And come on now why would anyone campaign for more low paid jobs for anyone?

          • La Fold

            So that would suggest there is an innate difference in the type of jobs men and women generally like to do then? Construction jobs being more male dominated whilst cleaning being more female dominated? Why shouldnt this be different then at the other end of the spectrum?
            And why would anyone campaign for more low paid jobs? Ill tell you what, there have been lots of times over the years i have been thankful for those low paid jobs so i could keep a roof over my head and grub on the table. .

            Your whole post kind of proves my point about some people disregarding dirty, hard low paid jobs that they wouldnt do themselves.

            • StephanieJCW

              The variances suggest preferences but I wouldn’t claim job preferences are innate without conclusive data to support such an assertion.

              Your second point is just bizarre however. A dearth of woman in the top jobs doesn’t prove that women don’t want those jobs. It may do, it may not. And not campaigning for more women to be in low paid jobs doesn’t mean thinking a job is beneath you. It just means that there are more than enough low paid jobs for women and people don’t tend to campaign to have a low paid job.

              I have done plenty of low paid jobs out of need. But being paid more is better!

              • La Fold

                Well surely if the variance suggests preference in lower paid occupations then why wouldnt the same be true in higher paid more desirable jobs?
                You even negate your own point in two sentences. “A dearth of women in top jobs doesnt prove that women dont want them. It may do, it may not.” Well what is it then?
                I didnt say that campaigning for better paid jobs for women makes you think those jobs are beneath you, but your statement of why would we want more low paying jobs certainly did.
                And while we are at it, a couple of my muckers are self employed tradesmen who are making 50 – 60 grand plus a year but i dont see a big fuss being made why there arent enough female self employed plumbers or scaffolders?

                • StephanieJCW

                  If you think there are structural barriers to women achieving positions of high influence, then focusing in they personal choices of those who are self- employed is irrelevant and unhelpful. I would have thought that was evident.

                  I didn’t negate my own point – I said, quite clearly, that I would not claim job preferences are innate without conclusive evidence. They maybe. They may not.

                  And I genuinely don’ get why you are flogging the low paid dead horse.

                  There is no need to increase the number of women in low paid positions as there are millions of such positions for women. There is no shortage or underrepresentation of women in low paid jobs and no barriers to entry. So why would feminists focus their energies and their efforts there?

                  I don’t see how questioning why people would want more low paid his means thinking low paid jobs are beneath you. It’s not it’s that people prefer higher paying jobs to low paid ones. If you need me to explain why there is no point me continuing

              • andyrwebman

                Read Dr Katherine Hakim’s “preference theory” paper.
                It highlights interesting differences between the behaviour of men and women in the same career.
                Men are much more likely to be workaholics, women more likely to look for work life balance and family time.

          • Doug Lefelhocz

            The job class alluded to by La Fold includes dangerous and hazardous jobs. Cleaners, childcare assistants, careers in nursing homes, etc. don’t have as much danger to them as the job class referenced by La Fold.

            Something like 96% of deaths at work happen to men, and something like 57% of injuries at work happen to men.

  • Pootles

    White, working class, boys: – they physically built the infrastructure of the UK, they provided most of the blood to defend the UK in endless wars (a few of national survival, but most in the interests of others), and they are the target of all the right-on, middle-class, liberal elite sneering and hatred. Time for a change.

    • Kitty MLB

      Are you saying all working class chaps are hulking great big
      specimens rather like the statue of Neptune in Florence
      and middle class as well as upper class chaps are all skinny
      mites.
      Are you also saying that only working class chaps fight in wars,
      and no middle or upper class- such as Prince Harry,
      and a few middle class chaps I know of fighting in the middle east-
      Are you perhaps boxing people in a little too much.

      • La Fold

        I think pootles point was more towards the contempt that is reserved by some for white working class lads. Such as the fella I used to work with who banged on about being a socialist ( as he made a more than comfortable living for an oil company, denial and egypt and all that) yet wouldnt have dreamt of sitting with me and my mates because we were from certain area of the city which is seen as working class. in other words he was a tot.

        • Fergus Pickering

          A tot? What’s a tot?

          • La Fold

            Tot is a colloquial insult, it is not as offensive as other words that can be used but still conveys a message of disdain at the person its directed at.

        • Kitty MLB

          I second that. Please reveal what is a tot.
          I hope its not one of those great mysteries of life.

      • Pootles

        I’m not saying any of these things. You can see that I said ‘most of the blood’. I am well aware that the Army, in particular, is a good reflection of our class system, and that our toffs die for King/Queen and Country, but if you take away the ‘white, working class boys’, it would have been a very small army/navy/air force indeed that has fought for the UK. Further, as anyone knows, it’s not ‘hulking great specimens’ that are the norm – the slightest familiarity with the Parachute Regiment, or, say, the RGJ, will show you that. My (working class) father was, at 5 feet 8, the tallest man in his company, and my (working class) grandfather was only 5 feet 7 when he served as an infantryman from 1915-19. You will see that my target was not a class but a fraction of a class – the sneering ‘right-on, middle class, liberal elite’.

        • Kitty MLB

          Apologies, I misunderstood.

          • Pootles

            Accepted, my dear lady.

        • La Fold

          Very true Pootles, my old man was an Warrant Officer 2nd class and came in at a whopping 5 foot 8.

          • Pootles

            Ah, but did he sport a decent moustache?

            • La Fold

              Oh yes! But only until he found out freddie mercury was gay!

              • Pootles

                Arf! Arf! (middle-aged g*t speak for LOL). My dad did 10 years as a Kingsman, and wore a fierce little moustache suited to a professional private soldier.

                • La Fold

                  That is weird cause Im actually known for using Arf instead of LOL, well that and insisting on half decent grammar and syntax in text messages. . Sadly, ive just shaved mine off, it just doesnt grow in enough.

                • Pootles

                  A man of discernment! I’m afraid that I could never shave my ‘tash. I am an amatuer ancestor worshipper, and my moustache is grown along the Christian principle of ‘do this in remembrance of me’ – so I’m at least a fourth generation tashist. Unfortunately, my son seems to have deveoped into a schismatic, and is a beardist.

                • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

                  Barging in here, but — I’ve always preferred nudists, myself.

                • La Fold

                  Steady on swanky, I nearly dropped my bacon roll there until I realised you were referring to facial topiary!

                • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

                  Thanks for the laugh, L F! : )

                • La Fold

                  Any time treacle.

                • Pootles

                  I’ve heard it said that the presence of facial hair can have, in certain circumstances, and depending on the sensitivity (or not) of the female, some stimulating effects. Perhaps you should experiment.

                • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

                  Oh dear I’m not that kind of girl, P. Anyway my boyfriend 100 years ago had a beard for a while. It was OK. I prefer the skin silky and the lips and jaw fully visible to mine eye.

                • Pootles

                  Neatly trimmed moustache – just like the old British Army majors used to sport – is what you need. (I kid you not, there was at one time, a set of regulations governing the differing types of moustache that different ranks coul wear in the army).

                • La Fold

                  Beardists!
                  Its quite the trendy thing to do now is to sport the beard and anorak look. I usually wind them up in the pub by calling them the hitler youth rambling club!

                • Kitty MLB

                  I hope you have not already received this –
                  Having huge issues with the computer tablet, this place
                  and E-mails..if you have please ignore.
                  I am not a beard person, much prefer a dark stubble
                  on a square jaw – Cameron does not have either 1
                  I also do not like the Brian Blessed type of beard,
                  its like a forest- what heavens could be hiding within it, I have no idea.

                • La Fold

                  No worries.
                  Well had a beard but just to see if I could grow a decent one (its a resounding now) I tend to go for the stubble look but can only stand it for 2 or 3 days before I need a wet shave.
                  Although Blessed beard in Flash Gordon is immense – GORDONS ALIVE!

                • Kitty MLB

                  I am glad you could actually grow one!
                  Cameron’s face is smooth like a baby,
                  I don’t find that in the slightest part attractive
                  ladies tend to prefer the more rugged chap with
                  the ability to have a dark stubble at times,perhaps
                  2 or 3 days is enough if they cause distress 😉
                  They say cave women preferred the more hairy male also
                  I have no idea of the reasoning though.
                  Indeed, his voice is as impressive as the beard,
                  a voice especially for the stage.

                • La Fold

                  the 2 or 3 days thing is becuase mine grows in quite quick and my ex squaddie old man drummed it into us as teeenagers about having a wet shave everyday if you needed it or not (used to do it as well)

            • Kitty MLB

              No that was a caterpillar, on the top of his lip.
              No I prefer the Errol Flynn type of moustache on a gentleman.
              Not that it would suit these days.

              • Pootles

                Yes, I agree – the last Flynn moustache of any note was, of course, worn by the ‘best dressed man and the worst dressed fascist in Europe’. These days, one would have to be some drug-demented popular music type to ge away with such a sliver of bristle.

                • Kitty MLB

                  ‘ best dressed men and worst dressed fascist in Europe’
                  I liked that, excellent.

        • Jambo25

          My dad was initially called up for the Cameronians. Essentially a light infantry regiment. He found at about 6 feet 140 steps a minute really hard going so he was put in the A/T section, trained as a gunner and then transferred to the Navy in late 1940.

        • Tim Reed

          If you take into account the First World War – there were whole battalions of ‘Bantams’.

          “The requirement for their height was between 4 ft 10in (147 cm) and 5 ft 3in (160 cm)”

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantam_%28military%29

          • Pootles

            Indeed. I remember, many years ago, reading a Great War memoir in which a non-Bantam battalion took over from a Banta battalion – they had, not surprisingly, made their trenches a little too shallow for the taler blokes, which made for problems. In reverse, George Orwell suffered from the same thing in Spain – probably in part responsible for his throat wound.

  • alabenn

    Lets look at where women and minorities are now running the show, the NHS a shambles, the education system, plummeting standards, the civil service now worse than ever, that women and minorities are given jobs because of what they are, is reflected in falling standards around the world where this gerrymandering is applied.

    • Tracheal

      Back to the USSR we go. Feminism is morally, socially, intellectually, and biologically bankrupt Marxist monkey business. As Paglia, said recently, ‘what we are watching is civilization committing suicide thanks to feminism.

      The author above repeats the common myth that ‘feminism is about equality’. Nothing could be further from the truth. Feminism is bigoted, reverse-sexist, and female-supremacist fascism in both ideology and application.

      • StephanieJCW

        “what we are watching is civilization committing suicide thanks to feminism.”

        How absurd. How on earth is our society “committing suicide” and how on earth is any such thing the fault of feminism.

        • Marie Louise Noonan

          Well, feminism is an ideology underwritten by the idea that the solution to the perceived ‘oppression’ of one half of mankind (sorry, ‘humankind’) is the oppression of the other half of mankind.

          Do you not think that is a bit mental?

        • andyrwebman

          How on earth is our society “committing suicide?

          – By replacing meritocracy with tokenism
          – By alientating a huge part of its population
          – By creating an education system in which it’s always the teacher’s fault the pupil fails, never their own, and where it’s necessary to fake exam results
          – By inviting in cultures with a high reproduction rate who want to remove our freedoms and replace them with medieval laws

          Just a few…

      • Cyril Sneer

        “Feminism is bigoted, reverse-sexist, and female-supremacist fascism in both ideology and application.”

        Proof is in the pudding they say, thus why your comment is absolutely spot on.

      • Kitty MLB

        I absolutely agree with you.
        I sent a post yesterday to a lady about something or the other,
        and her was to say that I was thinking like a man, then she went
        on a full attack on the male gender. How they have too much control
        and how the world would be a better place if run by women-
        I never responded!

    • edtastic

      Classic… A conservative sees a article about gender and goes right to hating ethnic minorities. It seems people like you need scapegoats and you prefer it be someone of a different race. You live in a white nation but somehow all these problems are due to the minority non white elements. You’re a racist while the feminist are sexist. Equality happens in spite of people like you.

    • Funcuz Chris

      I don’t see the connection with minorities but I do see a direct correlation between the influx of females and ‘female values’ into these areas and the ever-falling standards.

      I still remember a couple of decades ago when it was all the rage to proclaim that women had some magical , different “way of knowing” that was somehow separate and distinct from how males know things. Well , now that that’s pretty much been dropped from the femi-agitprop leaflets we can nevertheless see that it had the desired effect. All of it always does for some inexplicable reason. We’ve elevated the softest , least rational , and fuzziest logic such that it’s considered to be on par with the scientific method.

      It really won’t stop until enough men and reasonable women put their feet down and demand a return to common sense. Alas , there is no let up in sight.

      • StephanieJCW

        A return to common sense meaning women get back in the kitchen where they belong?

        No thanks.

        • Billy Plante

          Your ignorant comment just proves his point even more. Did he say “women need to get back to the kitchen?”

          NO!

          This is you projecting your bullshit onto someone else, creating a strawman out of it, and then getting mad at somebody else for what YOU made up in your own mind.

          Common sense, in his meaning, are things like allowing boys to play rough in schools again, because that is a basic biological need for males. It promotes team work, leadership skills, confidence, an understanding of fairness and justice. But this has all been taken away from boys because feminists in all their brilliant “way of knowing” ignorantly defend the notion that males and females are exactly equal except for the dangly bits. We are finally coming to an understanding of what hormones do to human development, and that men and women are DIFFERENT! *GASP!*

          • StephanieJCW

            So as I said – women know your place, at home, in the kitchen.

            No thanks.

            • Cyril Sneer

              “So as I said – women know your place, at home, in the kitchen.”

              What? What??

              Where did he imply that? Only in your head, which echoes his point very well. There is a lack of logical thinking nowadays and a preference to emotional, baseless reaction in the place of truth and reality.

              • andyrwebman

                Indeed so. The need for objective proof is vanishing, all one needs to do is say we “feel it to be so” and it is emant to be automatically respected.

            • andyrwebman

              So, any philosophy that says men and women are different inevitably consigns women to the kitchen is what you’re saying?

          • Fergus Pickering

            Well, I have to say I didn’t like being punched by bigger boys, but I expect it did me good. An d I’m not great on ‘teamwork’ either which seems t mean chewing the fat for hours istead of actually doing what needs to be done

        • Cyril Sneer

          You reinforce Funcuz Chris’ point to perfection.

          • StephanieJCW

            That women should be in the kitchen?

            Ok.

            • Cyril Sneer

              You should return to common sense.

      • anyfool

        When you have quotas, which they do for women and minorities, there is a strong connection in the drop in standards.
        Some of the women and some of the minorities do good jobs, but a large percentage are poor, combine this with the gold plated job protection in these services, the resulting destruction of the ethos and quality of these professions is almost impossible to reverse.

      • Fergus Pickering

        Is it common sense you want, or logic, or the scientific method. They don’t seem to me to be the same,I’m not a great fan of common sense, myself, which is usually doing what you did last time.

    • StephanieJCW

      Women and ‘minorities’ aren’t given jobs because of what they are you numpty.

      • Tim Reed

        In the public sector, of course they are!

        What do you think we pay all those ‘diversity managers’ for?

        • StephanieJCW

          Pony up the evidence.

          • Nota Moron

            Once again a feminist projects her opinionated delusions into a conversation based on fact and considers it a worthwhile discussion. Go home Stephanie and carry on plotting how to bash the male population into servitude.

            • StephanieJCW

              Asking for evidence isn’t offering opionated delusion.

              Someone makes a claim, they should be able to substantiate it.

              And I’m not a feminist.

              • Nota Moron

                I wasn’t referring to asking for evidence. I was referring to your “back in the kitchen” BS. But I can provide evidence as someone who has worked in the recruitment sector. Most companies want 50% women and 50% ethnic minorities. Unless all the women are ethnic minorities, that make white males the lest likely to be accepted for roles. We usually get between a 22-30% chance of landing the job after the interview stage, whether we are more qualified and experienced or not, simply because we are white males. So yeah tell me again how women and ethnic minorities don’t land jobs because they’re women and ethnic minorities. Also you are behaving like a feminist, deminozing mens opinions and twisting their words and intentions like a feminist and supporting a feminist cause. So tell me, if not feminist, what would you consider yourself?

                • Nota Moron

                  I do however realize I clicked the wrong reply button as I should have clicked the one a few comments up.

                • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

                  Why would they want women that are likely to cause staffing problems by taking off great chunks of time to have children? I knew a CEO that explained to the board one time that ‘this is just a feature of hiring young’. And of course the unspoken thought ricocheting round the room in its obviousness was that this is the trouble with hiring WOMEN. But he knew better than to say the obvious.

              • Fergus Pickering

                Ah, but you are a woman, which is just as bad. Go away and come back as a man fulll of common sense

          • andyrwebman

            Search for Mike Buccanan’s paper showing that tokenism (i.e. putting women on the board of directors merely to boost their numbers) is detrimental to the success of businesses.

            This is not the same, of courser, as hiring a woman who has proven herself. It’s tokenism that shouldn’t be there, not women

      • Cyril Sneer

        Can you provide real world examples?

        You claim racism and sexism but I fail to see where this is occurring. I’ve worked full time all my life, I’ve worked with women, men, people from all walks of life, races etc. I do not see this rampant sexism/racism that you speak of.

        • StephanieJCW

          I haven’t claimed racism or sexism. I can only assume you responded to me in error

          • Cyril Sneer

            Sorry I must have misinterpreted your post.

  • David Kay

    Feminists need to remember women were only put on the planet to do the “ing” things, like cooking, cleaning, sewing, ironing etc

    Time for positive discrimination at our universities. More men, less women

    • Daniel Maris

      Not managing, planning, investing or redeveloping then? Ever noticed – English verbs generally can be given the “ing” treatment. You certainly wouldn’t come top of the English class.

      • David Kay

        i said “ing” things “like”, not all. I come top of the english class and you come bottom ya thicko, innit

        • James Strong

          You said ‘the ‘ing’ things’.
          It’s the use of the definite article, and the fact that you’ve put a comma before ‘like’ that gives your post the meaning of all the things that can be described with the ‘ing’ ending.
          So, on this occasion Mr. Maris is right.
          Maybe your first comment is an attempt at a joke, but it’s not easily recognisable as such because jokes are funny.

          • David Kay

            oh what a surprise you turning up. Skanky and ring man will be turning up next.

            I meant like, not all, so you Jimmy Boy,and Maris are wrong
            You wouldnt know what a joke was, i suggest you stand in front of a mirror, you’re one huge one

    • StephanieJCW

      You’re a funny man

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