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21 January 2014

9:28 AM

21 January 2014

9:28 AM

Well done Lord Rennard for not saying sorry. I thought at first that he should, just to get the whole thing over with, to partially placate those monstrously transgressed women who may once have had their personal space ‘violated’ by the bloke. But that was wrong. Stick to your guns and tell them to get stuffed. The Met Police found no case to answer when they investigated these allegations. An internal Lib Dem inquiry headed by a QC found similarly, despite Nick Clegg’s hope that it would nail the poor bugger and give him a convenient escape route. Now that the inquiry has said no action should be taken against Rennard, perhaps the women might say sorry to him for dragging him through the mire. But hell will freeze over before that happens. They think they’ve been wronged and no QC will disabuse them of that mistaken idea. Grow up.

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  • Eddie

    Just watching a DVD B-movie called God Bless America. A man gets sacked for harassment because he has sent a work colleague flowers because she was having a bad day.

    She complains and plays the poor little victim (despite her happily talking to him on many occasions before). I think the man loses it and gets a gun and…well…sayonara…

    I have even heard of harassment cases in the USA where men have been suspended from work because they complimented their female colleagues, even though the men are gay!

    This American disease is worth than anything they sent to Haiti!

    Harassment can mean anything you want it to mean – and its definition these days seems to rely on a woman’s perception in 99.9% of cases. Feelings and hunches have replaced evidence in law. Oh dear…

  • VitaBrevis1

    According to some child abuse fanatic nutcase or other, little kids shouldn’t be made to kiss their grannies,

    What would Stalin’s granny have said about that, I wonder?

  • Terry Field

    The new, pious, self-regarding puritanism that has caught up so many, unjustly, after Savile is a barometer of the newly puritanical England.
    I feel pity for poor Traviss and kind decent Rolf Harris.
    We should be thoroughly ashamed – and should look to the little Robespierres in the police forces and the Crown Prosecution Service who build careers on this new and rather nasty crusade.

  • SheilaOliver

    Much worse LibDem abuse against Mr Parnell, whom they drove to an early grave at 58 for asking for counselling for his now grown up, lovely, troubled daughters adopted from Stockport Council. It was their legal right to have counselling. Nick Clegg knew what they were doing in time to save his life. He refused to act. Hundreds of custodies, dozens of arrests, repeated imprisonment, 2 years 8am to 8pm house arrest, hounded whilst terminally ill in Intensive Care over fictitious council tax arrears of £24. LibDems eh! What are they like?

  • Cornelius Bonkers

    I’m still not sure what he ACTUALLY did and which CHARGES the police and Liberal party investigated. Does anyone know for sure? How can ANYONE make a judgement?

    • Eddie

      Ah yes, but these days, in our diverse and neo-fascistic state, it is only the perception of the ‘victim’ that matters. Not evidence. So if a ‘victim’ FEELS hurt, abused, bullied etc then that proves they are right and the person they point the finger at should be burnt at the stake (the natural conclusion of such nonsense). This is what it says in the OTT MacPhearson report too – PERCEPTION of racism is enough to prove racism. Oh dear. I have never studied law, but even I know how dodgy that is.

      Britain has never had fascism or communism. Maybe that is why now our police and law enforcers are behaving in such a way, arresting innocents for online posting or ordinary human behaviour – in countries which have had totalitarian regimes (Spain, Italy, France, Japan) this is not happening. We are sleep walking into a police state here. And the LibDems are making fools of themselves as they pander to the female vote – just like the Tories and Labour do all the time too.

      The police will always want more power and to make more arrests to boost stats. Many people (usually women) will always love to play the victim, and to get revenge on men they perceive to have hurt them – the difference now is that the law, the police and the political class seem to be on the side of these hysterics and attention-seekers.

      • VitaBrevis1

        Perception of racism, as with anything else, is fundamentally a nihilist stance which denies that there are any absolute standards by which anything may be judged.

        This stance identifies itself as secular and essentially leftist.

        What ‘s more, the whole business of ‘racism ‘ is fundamentally Marxist since it is defined as ” prejudice plus power’ .

        ‘Racist’ is itself a piece of Marxist jargon which now describes the preference of the whole of Humanity hitherto to live amongst their own kind as evil,

        However , the addition of ‘power ‘ to this definition, again a solidly Marxist concept, means that whites in a majority white society and racial minorities are said to have none.

        With the addition of

      • Cornelius Bonkers

        Do you think fascism is a “stage” of history we will have to go through to realise how dangerous it is? OK. But I thought we had already REASONED that fascism is a bad idea and decided to avoid it? Maybe it’s a memory problem?
        You are absolutely right about the stats thing. If I were black I’d be more than piss.d-off at being stopped and searched every 5 minutes. But I think this happens to make up for the crazy feminisation of all walks of life which has happened over the last 20 years. Smothering the population with “caring” has led to the nightmare of ungovernable schools, expanding armies of chavs, and the attraction of useless immigrants and their (i.e., our) dependents to our shores. The next horror will be the transformation of London into a new Beirut…may God(s) have mercy on us all…

      • Cornelius Bonkers

        Of course you’re right. But we must never forget that the point of democracy as a political form is that it must always appeal to the lowest common denominator – the majority. And whilst it’s undeniable that most politicians are self-obsessed megalomaniacs, the fact remains that we get the politicians we deserve. We are a stunningly stupid population – believe me, I helped “educate” it. So we shouldn’t be surprised when perception starts to enjoy equal status with fact. But be cheered, the tide is turning. In UKIP common sense is carving out a voice for reason. How long it will last? Well, who can say…

        • Terry Field

          Is UKIP reasonable?

          • Cornelius Bonkers

            I suppose it depends what you take reason to mean? Being prepared to go against the grain of accepted “wisdom” and open-up space for sensible, fact-informed debate about things like immigration and Europe would seem to qualify as the use of reason. We shouldn’t forget that when reason sleeps monsters take flight….

            • Terry Field

              Yes – I read your bloggs and you make many good points – but from the other side of the pond, the condition of the UK looks hopeless and finished. Extremely sad – really a tragedy, but I simply do not believe there is a happy solution there.

              • Cornelius Bonkers

                Indeed, I think you might be right. The foolishness and carelessness of our political and economic leaders has been truly stunning. Everything which makes the UK the civilised place it is have been subjected to a campaign of liberal-fascist self-loathing and dismantlement of traditional good-sense. Are you in the USA? I feel your problems are similar, and although your economic history seems to put you in a better situation to recover from all this, at the same time the calamitous federal borrowing you now carry might be lying in wait to bite you…

                • Terry Field

                  Yes in the US the federal debt is massive, but the resource base and the asset base is truly gigantic. Fracked gas makes the US the best place to manufacture, and property debt evaporated when house process tanked – whereas the UK house market is rigged to keep prices up – partly by not building – to maintain the crazy values held in the Balance sheets of otherwise totally bust UK banks.
                  The US problems are the stuff of dreams for the UK whose total debt and commitments profile is by far the worst in the world.
                  Look at the hovels the British live in and the insane proces thy pay for the privilege – the NHS!!!!! – the road system!!!!!- the ‘education’ system. God is ANYTHING worth living there for????????????
                  It just seems to be grindingly poor there for the great majority of people. And the government system is of a very poor quality. Look at your energy policy for goodness sake – a chimp could have done better!!

                • Cornelius Bonkers

                  Yes, I get your points about the US resource base, fracking, housing, roads, energy policy etc. And now we have the unknowable effects of 50 years of multiculturalism to deal with. But I’d disagree about the NHS. It’s always been there for my family. What I do think both the UK and USA have in common is a similar political problem. The prosperity and peace of both the USA and the UK was built on a similar form of MERITOCRACY which has now been replaced with the religion of EQUALITY and the belief that big plans are better than negotiation and careful piecemeal evolution. In the USA it started with Woodrow Wilson and continues unchecked with Obama. In the UK it started with Atlee and is now totally out of control with even so-called conservatives signed up to it. And of course its most scary manifestation is the EU..

                • Terry Field

                  You are correct – the bureaucraticed ‘equality’ a la Brown at al drowns the best of what was Anglo-Saxon achievement. The multiculturalism is a fraud, and generally translates to a sort of ghetto living – found nearly everywhere in the super-fragmented UK.
                  Now a very nasty place indeed for those who love an integrated and mutually reinforcing culture.
                  SO glad I left.
                  The US requires integration, and those that know consider the UK approach little short of insane.

                • Cornelius Bonkers

                  The idea that being American trumps being, say a Swede or a Hindu is the foundation of what you call integration (I’d call it assimilation but no matter). BUT, and it’s a big BUT Islam is different – it just doesn’t fit with anything other than itself. Democratic politics attaches itself to a territory whereas Islam can not. Islam is a universal totalitarian IDEA. Moslems will never owe primary allegiance to “The Flag” without ceasing to be Muslims. I’m sorry to say you have only just embarked on the new world of struggle between politics and theology. Islamic theology is much older than your political system which is no match for it amongst those who want to disrupt it. They are nutcases and Bush was absolutely right to lock them up without trial (although not to try to defeat them in war). I hope I’m wrong
                  Regards

                • Terry Field

                  SO which bloody minded ignorant and malicious British idiots promoted the idea of allowing vast numbers of them in????????????????????????????
                  Could their party name begin with L and end with r? and what about the prawns who start with C and end with e. They are just a soisonous to the interests of the country.
                  No hope – they are all patrician type cretins.
                  Strange how a proletarian government minister can behave entirely like an aristocrat, as if he is administering a colony in which he has no interest, and for which he cares not at all.
                  UK life is ruined.

                • Cornelius Bonkers

                  Not ruined but certainly in the sh.t

          • Cornelius Bonkers

            I suppose it depends what you mean by reason! Opening up a sensible fact-informed debate about immigration and Europe seems to qualify. Also, being willing and able to go against the grain of accepted “wisdom” – challenging the intimidation of liberal fascism (and I mean fascism in its real sense). Don’t forget that when reason sleeps monsters take flight…our fabulously stupid society bears witness this this…
            Regards.

  • Joe Wade

    Rod Liddle has what it takes but was just too young to have been part of Generation Y. Generation Yewtree that is.

  • tommy5dollar

    Rod Liddle. You’re a prat. The inquiry found that he had sexually harassed them and he had probably meant to but the Lib Dem rules don’t allow somebody to kicked out for that.

  • ROBERT BROWN

    The lib Dems are neither liberal or democratic, they are traitors to this country, i hope they implode over this, scratch a ‘liberal’ and there is always a fascist underneath.

  • La Fold

    Ahhh they should just learn to take the compliment.
    I got my bottle and glass groped by a women 10 years my senior a few weeks ago in the pub, before the barmaids told jokes thta would make Caligula blush and then when I was in a nightclub later on that night a former girlfriend drunkenly kissed me.
    Cracking night out.

  • roger

    Comments on a Rennard story? not on the Telegraph blogs , three with comments closed. The British press is really in decline.

  • Nigel Tipple

    I’m regularly sexually harassed and in 35 years of demanding an apology, my wife has refused to offer a single one.

    • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

      You lucky boy, you!

      • Nigel Tipple

        Sorry! I’ve just woken up.

  • Eddie

    This day comes closer every year.

    Does anyone but lawyers benefit from this nonsense?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuWGVmlkLKo

  • Eddie
  • Uncle Brian

    Is it true that he only ever propositioned women? Never men? Looks like he’s guilty of homophobia, in addition to everything else.

    • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

      Let’s take pity on the poor bloke and have a whip-round for a new office plague, to go on the door. I Am An Equal-Opportunity Groper. That means you, too, Rod Liddle. Except for your knees..

  • BlueCrashDive

    Fully agree Rod, these women should grow up!

    These 4 women have entitlement issues and want to be treated differently to men in the burden of proof and in society in general.

    This is simply a witch hunt, if there is further evidence of sexual harassment then have the Police & CPS investigate (which they have done already with no further action).

    • Eddie

      Indeed. And just how much public money is wasted investigating such non-crimes anyway? It must be hundreds of millions.
      Just as well there’s no mugging, violence, theft or real criminals out there for the police to nick. If there were, the plods could be arrested for wasting police time!

  • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

    What gives with the auto-moderation? It’s ludicrous. You cannot use the word secks without being spiked. You cannot spell h=ll. And I have just made a comment about assault and had to hide the spelling of the accompanying word to get the post through: why?

    The Speccie is more tolerant by far than the Telegraph, which borders on oppressive at times, but the auto-modding is getting annoying. All my posts are scrupulously civil and I only use the words I need to use to get my (civil) points across. Anyone care to address this issue?

    • Sue Ward

      Me too. Had to use ‘gender’ instead of the ‘s#x’ word although they do actually have slightly different meanings. Very annoying.

      • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

        Well, yes, Sue. Especially since, being a bit of a purist, I almost never meant ‘gender’, which remains a linguistics term to me!

  • Lungfish

    I mistakenly and stupidly tuned into Channel Four news the other night and was bored into a vegatative state whilst a wash of politically correct crap regarding some Liberal Democrat bloke swept over me. Only at a quarter past eight did I come around and realise I’d missed the vital first fifteen minutes of Poirot on ITV 3. Such is life.

    • Robert Taggart

      Some of us stuck with the ‘news’ !

  • anna

    According to the inquiry, the women’s accounts were deemed ‘credible’, though there wasn’t apparently sufficient evidence to pursue a criminal trial in which the standard of proof is extremely high. It was suggested that Rennard should apologise which gives the impression that the conclusion was that Rennard’s accusers were not lying.

    The pity is that the matter was not handled promptly when the numerous accusations were made. These were not accusations of rape, serious indecent assault etc. but of actions that were nevertheless deeply unpleasant for the victims: not, in my opinion, crimes but rather appalling bad manners and a breach of professional standards which should have been dealt with on that basis. Nothing was done. This must have been deeply frustrating for the people concerned. While inappropriate advances from an equal can be quickly brushed off, they are much more difficult to handle when the perpetrator has a powerful position in the organisation. I recall as a youngster having to put up with a very senior member of staff who always felt it necessary to put his arms round me when he was speaking to me. Not an assault, not a crime, but unpleasant over-familiarity and an unprofessional demonstration of power. There was no way a kid like me could remonstrate with an ancient wrinkled lizard of a boss and he knew it. I eventually left the job, which I loved, and moved elsewhere to be free of the old goat. I saw young men who were the recipients of this sort of power display too: under the guise of ‘joking’ or ‘banter’ they were humiliated and ridiculed and often had to go along with the ‘teasing’ and show they could ‘take a joke’. It’s horrible, hurtful and deeply frustrating and unsettling if you’re young and inexperienced. Good management should pick up on such behaviour and ensure mutual respect in the workplace whatever the level of the employees. Lord Rennard was a high-up who had delivered results for the Lib Dems and therefore seemed to be untouchable. It is this, as much as the inappropriate behaviour itself, which must rankle with the women who asked for help in dealing with him and were ignored.

    • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

      While inappropriate advances from an equal can be quickly brushed off, they are much more difficult to handle when the perpetrator has a powerful position in the organisation.
      Perfectly said.

      • Lungfish

        Christ, you should meet my uncle.

        • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

          My name isn’t Christ, but I’m sure your uncle is a saint. ;^)

      • Eddie

        If they were children, you’d have a point. However, these were grown-ups – adults – women who, just like men, have to live in the real world and get on with it. If someone comes on to them and they don’t want that, then say so. Plenty of men and women have to deal with that and far worse in the work place. I know men who have left jobs because of the leery groping women there.
        And making someone ‘upset’ or burst into tears is not a criminal offence. Nor is being offensive – though actually our silly harassment laws do state that (which is utterly absurd).
        Mind you, Swanky you live in the USA, where silly seksual harassment cases always used to make we Brits giggle and shake our heads. Gay men have been charged with secksual harassment of women in the USA. And a man making a joke about a 6 inch sandwich in an airport Subway got pinned to the ground by a SWAT team when the bint behind the counter pressed a panic button!
        Sadly, that American victimhood-craving femi-nonsense has now arrived here and is spraying its dark and foetid pity party oestrogen all over the hitherto safe and sunny uplands of common sense…

    • wchancellor

      >>”These were not accusations of rape, serious indecent assault etc. but of actions that were nevertheless deeply unpleasant…”

      Case closed.

    • Eddie

      Yes, and the way women treat men can be deeply unpleasant too.
      This is actually gender discrimination and bias. If a man complains a woman has come on to him, will she get investigated for harassment? What about all those leery drunken disgusting girls out on Friday nights groping young men’s behinds? Has there ever been an assault charge there? If not, why not? There would be – and have been – if males do the same to females.
      Women should GROW UP AND GROW A BACKBONE. This whole harassment craze is infantalising women like some twee Victorian three volume novel.

  • Doggie Roussel

    I love the advertisement above the article about this self-aggrandising clown, Rennard… “Adopt a rhino…”

    I bet a few of those touchy, feely Libdem interns and political aspirants would have needed all the bulk they carried to withstand the advances of the noble Lord Rennard in full and liberal rut !

  • Doggie Roussel

    Hilarious !

  • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

    I posted and it disappeared, so here goes again. Anyone in a position of power — and that means any employer or superior — should not impose himself/herself on subordinates. This is true regardless of whether it’s ‘assault’ or mere garden-variety harassment. Women (and men for that matter) are perfectly capable of indicating interest, if in fact they have any. But the M. O. of the employer ought to be ‘if in doubt, don’t’.

    • Eddie

      So, to précis your comment: women should have all the power and men should have none. Correct?
      Normal human relations cannot live by some feminist politically correct handbook. People come on to each other. Normal and acceptable. GROW UP!

      • JamesDonnyT

        That’s an accurate precis only if you feel that men should have the right to grope whatever women they want.

        It’s not about giving women power over men. It’s about giving women (and, much more rarely, vulnerable men) the right to not be physically harassed at work. I fail to see how that’s even vaguely controversial.

        Rod’s article assumes that everything that is legal is morally right. There’s a pretty big gap between the two… and low grade workplace harassment is something many women encounter. Judging by the attitudes of many commentators here, that’s unsurprising.

        • Eddie

          No, it’s not. It is merely pointing out that the debate is very one-sided here. If women grope or come on to men, that is seen as acceptable. If men come on to women, even if they have teased them to do it, our gyne-centric society absurdly calls that harassment.
          Women should grow up. Be adult, accept it all as part of human behaviour, say NO and move on.
          You are promoting a secksist argument – that we should see women as helpless little girl victims that big strong leftie politically correct diversity dogs should guard and defend. What utter tosh!

          • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

            It ISN’T one-sided, Eddie. No one has said or apparently on this blog believes that there should be a different rule for women. To the contrary, everyone should be considerate of the feelings of others. It’s funny, because being considerate is also the best way, as it happens, of protecting one’s own self-esteem. Alan Clark wrote this:

            Men are OK from thirty to forty-five; if they’re careful, they can stay about the same. After that it’s an increasing struggle because of jowl and neck lines, even if the waist can be restrained. And the bruising of repeated sexual rejection starts to show in the eyes.*

            Wouldn’t there be a bit less rejection if they didn’t try it on where they might have guessed the truth?

            *Quoted in A Shed Of One’s Own by Marcus Berkmann.

            • Eddie

              It is one-sided. The fact is, men don’t complain or report anything if groped by women. By contrast, some women call the plods is someone asks them out for coffee – which is harassment if the women says she was alarmed and distressed and you asked her twice.
              The law, the police, all political parties pander to women’s self-obsession and love of playing the victim. That actually is secksist – it is infantilising women. I believe in equal treatment in law for all people – hence my points.

              • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

                I don’t recognize the world you’re painting: one in which women ‘grope’ men (never seen it, never heard of it at work) and where men asking women out for coffee are abused for doing so. In fact, the only really inappropriate treatment of people I know of is the sometimes coercive world of medicine, where doctors often cross personal boundaries for no good medical reason, sometimes in a sexually intrusive way.

                • Major_Eyeswater

                  Ahem. I’m a bloke. I’ve been groped on quite a few boozy office drinkies by female colleagues and clients. My very hot boss once pressed a hot snog on me in the back of a cab. I’ve been propositioned by no less than four young interns/graduate trainees. One of the junior members of my team kept confiding that she really wanted to have a “fantasy shag” with her boss (me).
                  God I love my work.

        • Tom M

          OK so having established that women should not be harassed at work how long do you think it will take for there to be complaints along the lines that “he said something to me” or “he looked at me” in an manner that I considered to be inappropriate and I want something done about it?
          As to your comment about harassment being something that many women encounter I would conclude from that you haven’t ever been a young male apprentice in a factory with a lot of women on the shop floor then.

      • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

        Read it again, Eddie, a bit more slowly this time. My statement applies both to men and women who are being viewed and treated inappropriately by higher-ups. Notice the part where I mention that a reciprocated interest will be made known? Yeah, not in those exact words, but I think I made myself clear. You just have to be in less of a rush to assume you know what a commenter must have said.

        • Eddie

          Oh come on, admit it – you just want to spank me, Swanky, don’t you? I’ve been a bad bad boy…

          • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

            I hope the readers appreciate this free entertainment you’re giving them….

      • Davidh

        People should not “come on” to their employees. NOT acceptable, male or female. It’s probably not criminal but it’s certainly contemptible and if that’s what Rennard was doing then nobody should be defending him.

        On the other had, if an employee throws themselves at you then it might be forgivable, if very unwise, to respond.

  • Eyesee

    Still don’t understand. The police actually said they could find no evidence. Probably because it was just several women’s word against his, no hard evidence as it were. A bit like Jimmy Saville, Dave Lee Travis and Rolf Harris I think. There it is just people complaining about being touched (though some alleging much worse) as opposed to presenting tapes or injuries etc. But Saville was definitely guilty apparently and the others are in court and Rennard isn’t. The only difference I can see is that the latter is a politician. A breed it is extremely hard to get prosecuted let alone imprisoned. And that extends from Blair straightforwardly breaking the law to Balls and Cooper lying either to Parliamentary authorities or the taxman about which is their primary residence. Something HMRC get very vexed about when you are not a politician (it is an offence, would you believe – well, for us). Best suggestion that he is as odious as suggested, was when someone phoned the Jeremy Vine show saying much like the bit above from Rod and eventually saying he knew how lovely he was because he has been a mate of his for years. Only the worst get such ‘support’ (look also at Tim Yeo).

  • artemis in france

    Personally I find the man repellant but that’s neither hère nor there. When I was working I often had men attempt to grope me and occasionally they succeeded. I used to let them know their attentions were unwelcome and move on. It’s pitiful the fuss women now make about pretty harmless behaviour. Men who grope are pathetic really.

    • Agrippina

      True, but these women said it happened when they were much younger and he was in a position of power over them and they did not want to blot their copybook. They would not permit this behaviour now, as they are older and more worldly.
      But you may have come across an old gropy bloke at work, he wouldn’t mess with you, or me, but a new young person is who they go for, on the basis they may get a cheap thrill and get away with it.

      • Eddie

        Or maybe younger people look attractive and are not as old, wrinkly, barren, menopausal and fat as you are now?

      • VitaBrevis1

        Lord Palmerston is said to have expired whilst having it off with a parlourmaid on his billiard table.

        Now that’s what I call sexual harassment. Imagine killing your employer by exciting him too much sexually?

    • Fergus Pickering

      Indeed. A pair of compasses would do the trick. Don’t get mad. Get even. Or set his trousers alight.

    • Eddie

      This sort of thing is much more common in France, Spain, Italy and you’d get laughed out of town if you went to the gendarmes about such trivial nonsense!
      However, some women do like the attention and I know of some marriages that exist only because a man came on to a woman – often an employee.
      In short, women should grow up and learn to live in society where such things will always happen – misjudgement, misread signals, ordinary human mating games. No big deal at all. If it is, change job. Many men have to.

      • Grrr8

        Life must be lonely for you Eddie old bean, only those mags to rely on… and baked beans outa a tin.

        • Eddie

          You seem to have a thing about beans.
          Maybe coz you are such a has-been eh? Or probably a never-was!
          You are obviously deluded if you think you can know someone’s relationship status from a post on a social issue.
          Maybe ask your nurses for a bigger injection next time eh?

  • ADW

    It isn’t just a white middle aged straight bloke persecution thing. It reminds me of the sick way that the barrister Simon Walsh was treated when he was prosecuted a few years ago. No-one remembered anything to do with the right to a private life, the right to free expression or the right to presumption of innocence, as Walsh was hounded and harassed until, finally, a jury injected some common sense and let him off.

    • icetraveller

      if Rennard had been rather more attractive, with a better technique, I bet these women wouldn’t be so monstrously outraged. It’s only because he’s not much of a looker and probably somewhat creepy when he tries it on, that they’re so upset.

      • Fergus Pickering

        I think those are very cogent reasons to be upset. Having your bottom pinched by Leonardo di Caprio is one thing. Having it pinched by Rumplestiltskin is quite another. He is so fat and so repulsive. He probably has bad breath too. He looks as if he’s got bad breath.

        • allymax bruce

          “He looks as if he’s got bad breath.”
          Best comment on the Spectator for years.
          Fergus, that one is priceless.

          • Fergus Pickering

            It’s the way I tell ’em

        • Doggie Roussel

          Then just imagine what it’s like when Bunter eructates… it’s probably 120 Jumbo jets taking off in terms of carbon emissions !

      • The_greyhound

        If Rennard had been rather more attractive, he’d have been struggling to repel the attentions of the other males in the party.

  • sarahsmith232

    Hilariously refreshing response from an unbowed by the PC automaton brigade (the BBC by their abbreviation) male. I would have to say though, don’t agree with a d*** word in it.
    Technically it would be wrong (touching by a v.high status male while indicating that their upward trajectory would be dependent on his good favour, I’m afraid Liddle, would not something to be sniffed at. I shouldn’t, God bless him, it’s not his fault he looks the way he does but nevertheless, I would just add, imagine if your editor was gay, looked like him and was also 6ft 7ins over your 5ft 6. I’m going to guess that you may take a possibly different view on how trivial his touching was if it was you that was being touched by a gay male that looked him while he simultaneously made it v. obvious that if you don’t want to find yourself unemployed sometime soon you better respond favourably when I start with my touching (in a confined space, on your own with him and unable to call for help. Find yourself seeing this but mere touching in a little bit of a different light now Liddle dear?). Politically (if you didn’t think a Lib Dem wipe out can’t come quickly enough, that is) it’s wrong and then you’ve got your QC bit slightly skewed as well. What he did wasn’t criminal but the QC did say, should be an apology, so not guilt free then.
    Nevertheless, I’d still go with – good on you. The more there are out there taking a healthy **** you attitude to the PC’s domination of society, the better.

    • FrenchNewsonlin

      Bet Rod would’ve hit him and kept the job! Keep up the good (PC-ridiculing) work Mr Liddle.

    • gerontius

      Very well said.

  • BoiledCabbage

    When Sharia really takes hold in the UK, of course this sort of terrible event wont happen because the women will all be working elsewhere. Or not working perhaps?

  • Rosco

    Have just listened to Liddle on the Jeremy Vine show on Radio 2. I have heard people put forward excuses before….but according to him….inappropriate touching of a female is acceptable in certain circumstances???? So….what he is saying is that what Jimmy Savile did…was inappropriate….but at times… was okay???? The man is an idiot…..should get a job as a circus clown.

    • sarahsmith232

      He said that??? I wonder he may be a drinker, was it live or pre-recorded? Does he have the excuse of not being fully in control of his senses at the time?

      • rodliddle

        I said people had put their hand on my knee in an over-familiar manner which I disliked. I said it obviously was different for women but that even so, this has been a bit of an over-reaction. The QC reckoned there was no means of proving Rennard’s “indecent” intent. I didn’t say inappropriate touching was “acceptable”. Perhaps you had part of Lord Rennard in your ears as you were listening, Rosco.

        • Rosco

          Lol….you really do need to re-listen to what you actually said live. You cannot un-say it now. Calling someone ‘fatty’ seems okay in your mind, plus …and I quote ‘…..just punch them in the face’….wouldn’t that be an over-reaction to someone just being over familiar? Perhaps you need to re-listen to what you said. Inappropriate touching is just that….it is touching and it is inappropriate. Whether you trivialise it or not, the law of this land deems that any unlawful touching of another….. is an assault. Reading some of your earlier and previous comments you seem to advocate the use of violence to solve a problem….and trivialise touching inappropriately. Perhaps you could run through the Jimmy Savile complaints and suggest what are over re-actions and what are not.

          • rodliddle

            Rosco, you’re a half wit. You have not the remotest grasp of nuance or humour. My suggestion was that the woman brush off Rennard’s advance. You want to call a hand on a knee “assault”, you do it.

            • Rosco

              Lol….hmmmm, getting a little irritated …insult throwing time: Usually the way when one has no answers….resort to the good old insult lol. Assault? Not I says I……its what the law of this land says m’lud.
              Definition of a half-wit
              noun
              ‘a foolish or stupid person’.
              ….and on that note m’lud….I rest my case 🙂

              • rodliddle

                No, half wit, usually the way when a correspondent uses “lol”. And isn’t referring to some bloke out of 10CC.

                • Rosco

                  Lol………………..

                • gelert

                  In fact, Rod, just raising your hand at someone is an assault. There is no need to touch to create an assault.
                  I’m sorry to see your attitude to this man. He typifies the type of pest who preys on young women over whom he has control by virtue of his position and power. It also seems that he went a little further than just touching the knees of these women.

              • Doggie Roussel

                You, Rosco, are quite obviously a self-righteous, attention seeking PC jerk !

                • Rosco

                  Well, we certainly couldn’t accuse you of being attention seeking when you hide all of your activity…usually someone who has something to hide???…..probably all related comments to that ‘hair’. Scary………….

                • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

                  Just wondering: why have you gone from being someone called ‘Rosco’ to that very dull chap, ‘Guest’?

                • Doggie Roussel

                  Hang on, Guest aka Rosco; I have not privatised my avatar or comments… it’s only that jerk on the DT from Tel Aviv who has privatised all of his 50 odd aliases.

          • HenryWood

            “Reading some of your earlier and previous comments you seem to advocate the use of violence to solve a problem….”
            You keep on like this, mate, and you’ll get a bunch of fives!

          • Fergus Pickering

            Violence solves many problems, the threat of violence even more..

        • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

          I said people had put their hand on my knee in an over-familiar manner which I disliked.
          Did they really, Rod? How intriguing. Were they doing it all at the same time, or one by one on separate occasions? Was the hand or hands really on your knee or are you just saying that because it’s too embarrassing or disquieting to tell us it was your thigh? And what exactly was the problem? Did the misbehaving hands belong to men or women, and were the TV cameras rolling above the table at the time? I think the public should be told. :^o

        • gerontius

          “I said people had put their hand on my knee in an over-familiar manner which I disliked.”

          It’s time I apologised Rod. I shouldn’t have done it.
          You do rather flaunt those knees those don’t you?

        • Sue Ward

          Please god, nobody has ever had Lord R’s ‘part’ in their ear!

      • Rosco

        It was live…and as such very difficult to retract what was actually said.

    • John Lea

      Just listened to same interview and can only compliment Rod on his sense of proportion and restraint. That woman – Bridget Harris – was unbelievably self-righteous. She (allegedly) had her leg stroked by Rennard, and was later propositioned (“shall we take our coffees up to my room”). All very English and rather polite, actually. As Rod made clear, why couldn’t the silly cow just say ‘stop touching my leg you fat git, or you’ll get this coffee down your crotch’?

      • James Strong

        ‘shall we take our coffees up to my room’.
        Can anybody claim that there is anything wrong with that?
        It sounds to me like an elegant, respectful proposition.
        It’s the kind of phrase I have used myself, often but not always, without success. And I do not regret any of the times I have elegantly and respectfully put forward the request/suggestion.
        And until I get engaged to be married I intend to keep on in the same way.

        Did she go? If not she can hardly say that the pressure was too much.

        • gerontius

          Elegant indeed and i am pleased to hear that you are (occasionally) successful. Personally I prefer a leaner,loftier. approach: A slightly cruel twist of the mouth accompanied by a raised eyebrow.It worked once.
          Women don’t object to this anymore than men do (maybe Lib/Dems are different?). but what they really don’t like is being pawed.If Rennard doesn’t understand this he must have an ego the size of, well, something or other.

          • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

            Oooerr! Who will play you in the movie? I’d see it.

            • gerontius

              If the choice were mine, then either George Clooney or our very own Rod, depending on who’s cheapest.

              • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

                Laugh!

        • VitaBrevis1

          The pressure would be great if she actually had gone, judging by the size of the noble Lord.

    • lojolondon

      Not surprised you are staying anonymous – probably too ashamed to identify yourself – comparing an adult male making an alcohol-fuelled pass at an adult woman with Saville forcing himself on all manner of vulnerable, young, disabled, retarded and even hanging around in the hospital morgue – defies belief!!

  • Geronimo von Huxley

    Curiously, this will not push the LibDems further into a ditch as Lord Greaves was suggesting. Curiously this entire affair will mobilise the female vote.

    • sarahsmith232

      You know, I had exactly the same kind of thoughts this morning. I think this whole thing might be responsible for saving Clegg’s bacon. For the first time since 2010 he’s managing to come across as an assertive, in control and not pointless political leader. It wouldn’t just mobilise a female Lib Dem vote, it would prob’ do him just as many favours with the males ones. Bet he knows it as well. .

      • monty61

        Nonsense – Clegg’s performance in this has been utterly lamentable.

  • Diogenes

    All good guardian reading liberal thinkers know that people they agree with, Liberals,
    are by definition good. People who do not think what they think, NOT
    Liberals, are by definition evil.

    Premise 1) Lord Rennard is a Liberal Democrat – a form of Liberal.
    Premise 2) Lord Rennard has done bad things.
    Liberal Lefty Conclusion: Lord Rennard does not exist.

    So I expect they’ll stop talking about him shortly and forget the whole thing ever happened.

  • wycombewanderer

    Trial by Toynbee is in full swing at the guardian.

    I think she’s using the Jo Brand model, ‘he’s a man he did it’!

    Still; no precedent for innocent Lords being tried by left wing harridans in the media, even if it does lead to premature death eh Bercow.

    The sisterhood united will never be defeated.

    • BoiledCabbage

      Jo Brand model, is that guilty at birth?

    • Doggie Roussel

      He’s Jo Brand in drag…. fart and give us a clue …

      • Baron

        Doggie, really.

        Still, one of the accusing sisters was shown on TV last night striding along like a gruppenführer, a thin T-shirt on, braless, whoosh, whoosh, whoosh… In the name of equality, Baron half expected the accused to be doing likewise, his belly whooshing, too, but it wasn’t to be.

        Were they not made for each other? And the circus act may continue for some time yet, the Scottish Lord of the abortion on demand has joined in.

    • VitaBrevis1

      That silly, self righteous opinionated , right- on old crow gives me the pip. Just the person to be social affairs supremo or whatever she was at the unbiased and balanced BBC.

      I hope she swans off to her socially – just villa in Tuscany one day and never returns

  • CortUK

    “I have evidence against my accusers”

    He’s smearing his victims! Oh those poor victims! What next? Will he force his victims to face him in a court of law? We must put a stop to this!

    And a thousand years of history turns to dust. Harriet Harman and Patricia Hewitt must be beside themselves with joy.

  • drydamol1

    BROKENBRITISHPOLITICS –NEWS – WHERE IS IT

    The Lord Rennard fiasco is total overkill by the Media he is
    either guilty or not guilty it has been going on for 10 years ,he either apologises or kick him out .If it
    was a member of the public we would have been convicted of sexual assault
    ,matter over with . Thatcher ,Blair and Cameron have all courted Murdoch ,you
    scratch my back I’ll scratch yours .

    Today the Media in general have done nothing but report
    Foreign Wars ,Death & Destruction but nothing concerning the Draconian
    Changes to the Overall Social Structure that our own Country is undergoing at
    present .Except highlighting Politicians rhetoric .Are they Gagged ,is it a Government Policy
    to make us feel how lucky we are surely the biggest change for this Country to
    ever take place in decades is of Public interest .So why the Silence – its Deafening .Is Investigative Journalism at an end or do
    we know too much already .

    http://brokenbritishpolitics.simplesite.com

  • Hexhamgeezer

    Hail Lord R!

    An inspiration to ugly fat white blokes everywhere. No doubt he’s inspired hundreds of us dyfunctional misogynist neanderthals to get our party applications in while dreaming of getting into proximity with short cut seeking, careerist power hungry harridans.

    Our very own Mandela. Well done fatty!

    • sarahsmith232

      God bless him but you’ve just hit the nail on the head

  • James Strong

    Spot on, Rod.
    Thank you.

  • AtMyDeskToday

    Saw one of the ladies on TV. The one doing the rounds of the TV interviews and speaking with a nice Scottish accent. Brought to mind an old Scottish saying…I would not like to take a broken pay-packet home to her”.

    • CortUK

      “It is never difficult to distinguish between a Scotsman with a grievance and a ray of sunshine.”

      Wodehouse

      • AtMyDeskToday

        “He had just about enough intelligence to open his mouth when he wanted to eat, but certainly no more.”


        P.G. Wodehouse

        • sarahsmith232

          LOL, good one.

    • HenryWood

      That’s a cracker which I must add to my collection. As an Englishman living amongst the Jockanese I am sure I will soon be able to use it.

  • DougS

    He’s got to be guilty. Just observe those shifty eyes, the pale white skin, the weird see-through glasses, the podgy fingers, the interference pattern tie. And what’s he holding? – probably a Paedo magazine.

    Oh but yes, a space invader if ever I saw one!

  • DougS

    He’s got to be guilty. Just observe those shifty eyes, the pale white skin, the weird see-through glasses, the podgy fingers, the interference pattern tie. And what’s he holding? – probably a Paedo magazine.

    Oh but yes, a space invader if ever I saw one!

    • Doggie Roussel

      More a serial-killer or recidivist paedophile, I’d say… malice oozing from every pore….

    • WalterSEllis

      And you, Dougie baby, appear to be accusing Lord Rennard of being a paedophile. I hope you’ve got your lawyer ready.

    • davidshort10

      I find see-through glasses quite convenient.

  • roger

    Are they liberal ? are they Democratic? or are just a bunch of ferrets in a bag?
    Sorry, disrespect to real ferrets.

    • MikeF

      Yes – it had already occurred to me that a paraphrase of Voltaire might be appropriate:
      “This thing they call the Liberal Democrat Party is neither liberal nor democratic nor much of a party.”

  • Fencesitter

    Sit back and watch the fur fly, folks 🙂

  • William Haworth

    But he CAN’T be an innocent man. He’s white, overweight and middle aged.

    • Jez

      He’s also a politician.

      F*ck him.

      • Fergus Pickering

        And ugly.

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