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Watch and read: Nigel Farage launches Ukip’s 2010 election manifesto

24 January 2014

24 January 2014

Does Nigel Farage really have no idea what was in Ukip’s 2010 election manifesto? Yesterday, he claimed on the Daily Politics he had never seen or heard of many of the policies the party stood for. But if you take a look at the video above, Farage was one the main speakers when the manifesto was launched in April 2010.

The low-grade staging is again a sign of how far Ukip have come in the last three years, but their message hasn’t changed much. Farage claims:

‘The choice the public has is not about a change of government but a change of management’

Always the outsider, and who offers the solution? Ukip of course:

‘It’s time for some straight talk about who governs Britain.

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And as now, he’s keen to stress that his party are the underdogs:

‘Ever since this party was born, we were told you’ve got no chance, it won’t go anywhere. But on the last national test of opinion, which was the the European elections on June 4th last year, little Ukip came second. Beating the Liberal Democrats and beating the Labour party. I have a sense that out there in the country, despite the difficulties of this electoral system, we are doing very much better in this general election than we ever have before. Don’t completely write us off.’

As the Conservatives learnt last year when trying to rejig their website, what goes online stays online. If Farage wants to completely reinvent Ukip before the next general election, he will have to realise he simply can’t pretend their past didn’t happen.

PS: It also seems that Farage co-signed the introduction to the 2010 manifesto. See page two of this PDF

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  • yvad

    It is not 2010 it is 2014 and Farage and many we have never heard of will be elected UKIP MEPs probably forming the majority UK party in the EU parliament so all this chatter is irrelevant

  • jazz606

    Stop UKIP, stop UKIP, stop UKIP, …………………..etc

    • Makroon

      Leave UKIP alone !
      Poor old David Sutch has fallen off his perch, We NEED another monster raving looney and Farage is perfect.

      • Two Bob

        Bless.

  • freethinker14

    So are the Lib Dems keeping their free tuition fees? Are the Tories going with the greenist party ever and are Labour promising to spend spend spend in 2015?

    Why this obsession with UKIP’s 2010 manifesto? Surely what matters is the one we will be voting on in the future and not the one written four years ago?

    • Makroon

      We have a coalition. Coalitions have to compromise (unfortunately).
      Farage tried desperately to defend the UKIP Manifesto, but was outed by a few questions from Neil. Having a short fuse, and having a mind far too befuddled to deal with detail, he then, in exasperation dismissed the whole official document as tosh.
      Loads of UKIP ‘top brass’ are on record as being sick of Farage making every decision on a whim – like hand-guns for all, locked in a box.
      The UKIPpers on here are the cult true-believers. Of course there are many good souls toying with the idea of voting UKIP – but if they read the clap-trap rolled out on a daily basis on here, they would probably run a mile.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …actually, they’re running from you socialist Camerluvvies. Check the numbers, lad.

  • James Allen

    Still desperate to discredit UKIP I see……

  • colliemum

    Will the three establishment parties run on their 2010 election manifestos?
    Haven’t the three establishment parties always changed their previous manifestos before a new GE?
    And what about Clause Four – changed by TB in the run-up to an election? (Mr Payne is probably too young to remember that …)
    Never mind – the hypocritical howls coming from the Westminster denizens – hacks and politicians alike – are becoming ever more entertaining, and revealing …

  • Lady Magdalene

    Goodness me. It seems The British Establishment, the MSM and the Conservative Party’s tame hacks are absolutely cr+pping themselves about Mr Farage and UKIP.

    It would seem that Cameron didn’t know what was in his Manifesto 3 days BEFORE the General Election.

    “ADAM BOULTON to David Cameron
    And just one final question, it’s been suggested that you would consider renaming or are going to rename civil partnerships as civil marriages for gay people, is that correct?

    DAVID CAMERON to Adam Boulton
    I am not planning that. I think civil partnerships are an excellent thing because they give gay people the opportunity to form a partnership and have some of the advantages of marriage, I think that is right and I’m very happy to look at how we can take policy forward and I think the debate in the House of Lords about allowing things to happen in churches and all that, that’s a debate we should have but I think where we are at the moment I think has dealt with one of the great unfairness’ and so we should look to the future cautiously about whether we can build on that.

    ADAM BOULTON:
    David Cameron, thank you.

  • callingallcomets

    Of course young Seb will be writing a blistering post on Cameron’s need to keep his party under control when he writes about the Tory councillor on a gun charge..
    http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/your_local_areas/10951550.Tory_councillor_on_gun_charge_remanded_ahead_of_trial/

  • starfish

    I do find this obsession with a 4 year old manifesto quite amusing
    I was reading the Daily Mail website on the same issue – similar editorial lie of course. Interestingly 100s of comments drawing attention to the political establishment’s campaign against UKIP and how if anything it was strengthening their support
    I also note that the anti-referendum bill fun and games in the Lords are also costing the LibDems and Labour votes
    Still, let them carry on. They really don’t understand UKIP’s appeal and support base – still it is difficult from inside the M25

    • Two Bob

      Inside the north circular more like…..

    • serialluncher

      Even more amusing is Nigel Farage having just admitted it was full of drivel. Will the next one have more or less drivel?

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …where did he say that?

        …or did you just fantasize he said it?

        • southerner

          The liblabcon are all living in a fantasy world. It’s where Hookey and his mates feel safe and warm. They’ll soon be tucked up in their Cameron duvet set mummy got them for Christmas. Give it half an hour and the grown ups can talk properly.

        • serialluncher

          LBC this morning. You can Google it.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            So you fantasized it, as I suspected.

  • swatnan

    I suppose all Parties start off with a clean slate come the next election, especially if your policies didn’t convince the electorate to vote for you.
    Nige needs to up his game and is in danger of forgetting things just lilke Charlie Kennedy before he had to step down.

    • Two Bob

      I guess he needs to apologise for not remembering it word for word.

      • Gawain

        I would recommend you watch the interview. It was worse than that. It was a real, full bodied, squirmy, politicians denial of ever knowing anything about the 2010 manifesto at all.

        • saffrin

          Just another BBC hit job. Firing fast questions without giving the time to give full answers.

        • Two Bob

          I watched it, he appeared to be perfectly fine.

          • Gawain

            It’s always difficult for followers of cults to see their ‘gods’ as they really are. It was one of the most cringe worthy performances I have seen for many a year.

            • Two Bob

              Always difficult for their enemies to see any good in them either…..

              touche.

            • the viceroy’s gin

              …then you need to get out more, lad.

              • Gawain

                Ah ha, the US Tea Party has joined the rest of the Fruitcakes. Has the snow cleared yet Viceroy, we’re having a really mild winter this side of the Atlantic.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …what are you blathering about now, lad?

            • Chris lancashire

              Oh, I think “cringe worthy” is going a bit far. It was funny though.

  • saffrin

    “Watch and read: Nigel Farage launches Ukip’s 2010 election manifesto”

    With a headline like that Sebastian, maybe it’s time you looked for another job.

    • Two Bob

      He seems to forget it is 2014 now, approaching 2015.

      Since when do parties repeat the same manifesto GE after GE? Especially when their support more than quadruples (conservative estimate) in as many years.

      • HookesLaw

        Since when to parties call the entire content of their last manifesto rubbish.

        • Two Bob

          They dont – too afraid and spineless, wedded to their PC agenda.

          Instead they simply remove it from their website and look the other way!

          Wasn’t me guv’nor! Maybe it was hacked!

          I know plain talking politicians (for better and for worse) may seem a bit of a novelty to you, but to many people it is a breath of fresh air.

  • Two Bob

    Where is the Tory 2 010 manifesto? Hmmmmm?

  • callingallcomets

    Meanwhile nothing yet from Seb (the Speccie’s Wythenshawe by election “expert”) on the UKIP candidate so here’s a little reminder http://www.theagedp.com/?p=8069

    • Steve Lloyd

      With those credentials, he should walk it.

  • lojolondon

    On that subject, I wonder when ‘brillo pad’ O’Neil will ever ask any other member or leader of any other party about their manifesto for the last election? Or is that treatment only for UKIP, the only party which never had a chance to implement their promises. Parties that have been in power for the last 3 years and the party that was in power for 13 years before that have never been asked about how their manifesto compares to what has been delivered.

    • HookesLaw

      ooh shame – Saint Nigel has been asked a couple of tricky questions.

      • saffrin

        So has Bliar, yet he lives.
        How corrupt does a Government need to be before you’re willing to reject them?
        Vote UKIP Hooky, you know it makes sense.

        • HookesLaw

          The govt are not corrupt. UKIP and its leader are shown to be incompetent.

          • saffrin

            Camaron is as guilty of war crimes as Bliar. Not only was Libya none of our business, it was unprovoked, unnecessary, nor was it a popular revolt.

            • HookesLaw

              Now you show what a loon you are . A worth less comment.

              • saffrin

                Your naivety suggests the opposite.

  • Steve Lloyd

    EU referendum bill killed in the Lords. Another two million or so votes for UKIP.

    • HookesLaw

      The bill has not been killed – it is returning to the commoins.
      The bill is not necessary for a referendum. A returned Labour govt would repeal it.
      There will be renegotiation and a manifesto committment in the Tory 2015 manifesto. The only way we will not get a referendum is if we see the return of a Europhile Labour govt.

      • Two Bob

        Or a Europhile Tory government…..

      • saffrin

        The EU referendum is in May 2015. How many times do you need to be told?

        • HookesLaw

          No – trying tom be clever does not suit you.
          If UKIP have their way your 2015 referendum will be lost as we see the return of a Europhile Labour govt.

          • Two Bob

            Or a Europhile Tory government…….

            • HookesLaw

              That in fact wants to see EU reform and will give you a referendum. Unlike Labour.

              • Two Bob

                Cast iron guarantee? Deal with the fact they are not trusted by many people now.

                • HookesLaw

                  What cast iron guarantee – tell us about it.

              • Lady Magdalene

                Who cares if it’s reformed. We’ll still be governed by an anti democratic foreign Kommissariat.
                We want OUT.

          • saffrin

            Labour aren’t listening anymore than Cameron is.
            They both have cloth in their ears. They both know the public feeling on open door mass immigration and it matters not what they put in their 2015 manifesto as everyone, including their own voters, know they can’t be trusted.
            Don’t forget, most northern towns only vote Labour to keep/get the Tories out. Now we have a credible alternative in UKIP.
            Labour’s northern strongholds don’t exist anymore…apart from Bradford.

            • HookesLaw

              Like I said you are just displaying an unwillingness to face the truth.

              • Two Bob

                Your version of the truth? Its drivel!

              • saffrin

                If the truth is vote UKIP get Labour, why aren’t all the bloggers on the Guardian website voting UKIP too?

  • Steve Lloyd

    UKIP is becoming a real threat to the establishment’s grip on power, and they don’t like that one little bit. But what really scares them is that they (UKIP) do not subscribe to the LibLabCon’s multiculturalist, corporate, statist, liberal ideology

    .

  • Chris Knowles

    The political troika or triad (the one party state that rules Britain via its Lib Dem, Labour, and Conservative factions) must really be worried to have to come out with these sorts of smear jobs. UKIP must really be in with a chance in this year’s elections.

    What do the ‘parties’ in that troika stand for and what can be believed in their manifestos? What meaningful information can be gleaned from such manifestos as to what the parties stand for, besides themselves and their mates that is? And what happened to the Conservative manifesto commitment for a referendum in the event of major changes to the EU constitution?

    • Wessex Man

      It’s what we must expect, six weeks ago there was a well orgainsed campaign by the Lib/Dems in the letters pages of the Western Daily Press, since their ‘little difficulties’ with their wayward elder gentlemen it has all gone quiet, bless.

      • Chris Knowles

        And how surprising it is that there is suddenly an economic recovery now we are in an election year! Pull the other one 😀

        The Troika factions have presided over the economic meltdown of our economy and THEY have the temerity to call the one alternative to them as not credible.

        Seems that the EU elections are actually a two party race just like in the old days – a choice between UKIP and the Troika, a choice for more of the same failed policies or genuine change.

        • HookesLaw

          A neat example of how you are totally unwilling to face the truth even when it stares you in the face.

          • Two Bob

            Like the truth that women give birth and men dont?

            • HookesLaw

              Men need to be fathers as much as women are mothers. The notion that a woman will lose her business contacts because she has had a baby – in this day of home working internet contacts phone conferencing and skype – is Byzantine.

              And ‘saffrin’s’ point about one party state is typically crass. Reality has to be ignored, fantasies invented to justify an untenable position.

              • Two Bob

                Then I feel sorry for the child. I really do.

                I am afraid Farage was correct – I worked for an SME that went out of its way to avoid employing women of child bearing age.

                You want to shoot the messenger then go ahead, but what Mr Farage said, happens in the real world and I have seen it happen. Simply denying it for PC reasons is the reason why so many people are attracted to his party.

              • Chris Knowles

                The similarity of policies and the consensus of the three legacy parties suggests a lack of choice for the elecorate. The three parties have come to look upon ruling as their divine right and as such treat the electorate with contempt.

                People now see a new choice in the EU elections and will vote accordingly. That is what terrifies the 3 legacy parties but instead of addressing public concerns they try to smear those who will put the country back on the right track. Pitiful, though not unexpected!

          • saffrin

            What, like UKIP is the only credible alternative to the one party state?

            • Chris Knowles

              Name another.

          • Chris Knowles

            What truth, that the three legacy parties have together undermined the country’s independence, destroyed its industry and ruined its economy? That is the truth.

      • Nicholas chuzzlewit

        I confess that I am really enjoying watching that sanctimonious bore Clegg wriggling in anguish.

    • HookesLaw

      Sad and pathetic. Every time Saint Nigel is held to account its a ‘smear’.

      • Two Bob

        But he isnt being ‘held to account’

        The establishment is criticising him for something that other parties are also doing yet get away with it under the radar….

        • HookesLaw

          Don’t be silly.
          The other three leaders are always being questioned. And the tories are broadly fulfilling their manifesto commitments – even though they are on a coalition.

          Whats damning for Farage is he says he did not know what was in the manifesto and did not care.
          He shows he is unfit for spouting an opinion don the pub – never mind office. it does seem that the N0 1 and No 2 in UKIP have made pretty useless TV appearances in the last week. Thats 99% of the party hierarchy.

          • saffrin

            The only good thing about the other three leaders is they divide the IN vote.

          • Two Bob

            What is damaging to you is that you seem to not know what year it is.

            It aint 2010 anymore.

            • HookesLaw

              Does that ,make any difference to wanting taxi drivers to dress up in top hat and tails?

              • Two Bob

                Yes. Alot can happen in 4 years.

              • Wessex Man

                What happened to Call me Dave’s manifesto of 2010 Hooky, didn’t he tear it up in 2010 to grab his ‘bit of Glory’ including a referendum.

                • HookesLaw

                  The 2010 manifesto is being implemented. What referendum commitment was there in the 2010 Tory manifesto? Please find it for me.
                  The Tories said they would not let the Lisbon treaty rest there and they are proposing, if they have a majority in 2015, to renegotiate membership and hold a referendum in 2017.

                • saffrin

                  Ye’ right. In 2010 Cameron promised to cut immigration to the tens of thousands.
                  Last year was the highest number of immigrants yet.
                  When are you going to accept the fact Cameron can’t be trusted. His word, his promises, are meaningless.

                • Two Bob

                  ‘The 2010 manifesto is being implemented.’

                  Utter drivel!

                • HookesLaw

                  No – you are a fantasist. But I guess you have to be when you witness Farage ripping up an entire manifesto and even admitting he fought an election, stood for parliament on the manifesto not believing a word of it.

  • Pip

    Shame on you Spectator for being a willing participant in the Establishments attempts to smear UKIP. Each time you print drivel like this you lose a bit more credibility, something you have little of after recent years of printing disingenuous Pro -Establishment nonsense.

    • Andy Mcrae

      What part is drivel? And isnt that how Farage described his own policies?

      • Wessex Man

        good selfie.

      • saffrin

        The Headline for a start.

      • Two Bob

        The title ‘2010 manifesto’ gives it away.

        It is now 2014.

  • Andy Mcrae

    An awful lot of Adhom and vitriol directed at the author from UKIPpers today. But I suppose being exposed as following a party that doesn’t have a clue could be a bit embarrassing.

    • Wessex Man

      You’ve said it it must be awlful for you Tories and Lib/tards!

      • HookesLaw

        Aw dedums. Farage will spout anything that suits him. And all he will achieve is to split the right wing vote and let in Labour.

        • lojolondon

          I hope you aren’t calling the Conservatives ‘right wing’ ?? There are 81 ‘right wing’ Tories, the rest care too much about their ‘careers’ and the chance of getting onto the EU gravy train.

    • sandywinder

      Haven’t a clue? What is Tory policy on things like HS2, green energy taxes, London Airport, the EU, immigration, human rights, bankers bonuses and pasty taxes? It is the Tory party who haven’t a clue.

      • Andy Mcrae

        Each of the policies you cite are debatable, in the truer sense of the word, and are at least based on a principle. Farage cant even debate himself successfully.

        • David Kay

          Its tory policy to double fuel bills by 2020. Disgraceful policy from a disgraceful party. Thank god we havnt had a winter like last year or we’d have another 24,000 dead because they couldnt afford to keep warm because of tory support for the great global warming scam. Camermoron is a socialist in conservative clothing

          Camermoron wont debate with farage because he knows farage will wipe the floor with him

      • lojolondon

        Brave Dave’s policies are based entirely on EU policy. Nowhere is that clearer than the ridiculous HS2 plans and the 80mph motorway plans (130kph anyone??) – made law in order to fit in with Europe and pretend it was a Westminster idea all along and then never implemented.

  • David Kay

    a disgusting bit of propaganda from sebastian payne that is more worthy of being in pravda than the spectator

    • Gawain

      Looks like a good bit of informative journalism to me. It’s about time Nasty Nigel’s slogans were put under the spotlight !

      • David Kay

        so says a supporter of the nasty party.

        • Gawain

          That is really rich since Nasty Nige himself has explained that the ‘nasty’ Tories have all gone to UKIP !!

      • HookesLaw

        ‘Saint’ Nigel please…!

  • Dogzzz

    Labour dumped their 2010 Manifesto within days and still only have a blank sheet of paper.

    As for UKIP. the 2010 manifesto was aimed at the 3% share of vote that UKIP then represented. It was appropriate for the angry tory retirement home which UKIP represented back then.

    In only three short years, UKIP’s appeal has spread so far and wide (approximately 20%) that a completely new manifesto, with independence and self determination at it’s heart, is required. UKIP need to reflect the make-up of their current, and prospective voter base going forward. A position that is not left wing, nor right wing, but is pro British and which puts the British working and middle classes at its heart.

    • Gawain

      You sound just like all the other politicians. Next you’ll be telling us that the EU isn’t so bad after all !

    • HookesLaw

      Dear oh dear – after years of defending what UKIP once stood for you now have to defend something else – indeed stuff you do not even know exists yet.

      • Wessex Man

        Please list your manifesto pledges kept!

        • HookesLaw

          Welfare education health and local govt reform. Trident replacement commenced.
          Immigration down. Inflation down. Deficit down – due to cuts in unaffordable govt spending opposed tooth and nail by labour.
          triple lock on EU referendum. Renegotiation and referendum in 2017. A referndum we will not get if Europhile Labour are returned to power.

          • lojolondon

            A “triple lock”??? On an EU referendum??? – from Cast-Iron Dave???
            Why not just say “I am an insect, I never learn from personal experience”.
            Hilarious!

            • Wessex Man

              You’d need a heart of stone not to laugh at Hooky’s little jokes!

            • HookesLaw

              Its law. its been passed. It was opposed by Labour. Carry on living in your pathetic little dreamworld.
              Brown signed the Lisobn Treaty before the 2010 election. No Tory promises were broken – only europhile Labour ones.

              • Wessex Man

                liar liar pants on fire!

                • HookesLaw

                  Where are the lies?

                  The European Union Act 2011 contained the lock.
                  What other historical events do you want to reinvent.

                • Two Bob

                  Drivel! That can be quashed as easily as an ant.

                • HookesLaw

                  Where are the lies?

                • David Kay

                  just read your posts, more lies than Conservative cast iron guarantees

                • David Kay

                  he could of amended that Act if he wanted, he didnt want to because hes a traitor and a europhile

              • David Kay

                pathetic argument. Its a fundamental principle of our constitution that one parliament cannot bind another. All Camermoron had to do was repeal the law or pass another law inconsistent with it but he decided to break his cast iron guarantee to the British voters and continue with his europhile dreams

                • HookesLaw

                  But there was no cast iron guarantee in the 2010 manifesto. There was a promise of a EU Act – there was one passed and it contained a referendum lock as promised.
                  All the lies come from kippers. All the efforts to get a Europhile Labour Party elected comes from kippers.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Well, if that’s what bothers you, lad, you better not go splitting the UKIP vote.

    • Chris

      UK sovereign based and anti -statist.
      Libertarian based with fairness at its core.

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    • Chris

      This will be the last time I read the spectator. The anger I have for
      the establishment is palpable. Now I have an idea how the chartists must
      have felt.

      • HookesLaw

        Hillarious – sorry you will not read this. Poor St Nigel – he has to be above criticism

        • Chris lancashire

          Oh, here we go again. Any piece about Farage or UKIP brings the oldsters out dribbling their Ovaltine and foaming away. Any chance we could get the Spectator to concentrate on something real I wonder?

          • Makroon

            Apparently, the proprietors plan to turn the Spectator into a cross between ‘Hello’ and the Daily Mail, so I guess the UKIPpers will soon have to find a new house magazine – maybe ‘the Oldie’ would oblige ?

            • HookesLaw

              The beano….

            • Chris lancashire

              Well I wish they would because the OAPs are getting very boring.

              • the viceroy’s gin

                Well, it’ll be good when you socialist Camerluvvies finally cross over and stand with your fellow socialists. You know, drop all the crossdressing, come out of the closet and just let your freak flag fly.

                • HookesLaw

                  I can see you’re really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.

                • Chris lancashire

                  No, please leave him alone. He’s my personal troll and I’m rather proud of him.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Actually, lad, you Camerluvvies are the hysterics this past while. It’s a fun show, this panic time.

          • HookesLaw

            The oldsters will get the worst of both worlds if they get their way. They will get europhile Labour who will keep us in the EU (no referendum) and Miliband’s anti industry/ capitalist policies will reduce inward investment.

            • the viceroy’s gin

              Well, you better not split the UKIP vote then, lad.

              You know, to keep out your socialist buddies the Millipedes.

              • HookesLaw

                Everyone is a socialist to you who does not wear a white sheet over his head and wave a flaming cross.

                • Chris lancashire

                  It’s really not worth the bother. He has a very limited vocabulary and a very slow thought process. I try and correct his grammar, but beyond that he’s beyond help.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No, not everyone is a socialist, lad, but you are.

                • telemachus

                  I cannot believe I read that
                  Hooky is 24 carat Church of England Establishment Conservative

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …no, he’s a socialist troll, like you come to think of it.

                • telemachus

                  He is no Socialist
                  Remember, if you are not with us you are against us

                • HookesLaw

                  I’m certainly against you.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  No you’re not. You LibLabCon socialists agree on just about everything, including Darling’s budget.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Yes, he is a socialist troll, like you.

                • gerontius

                  “He is no Socialist”
                  Neither are you Telemachus – You’re a carpetbagger, like your little chum Miliband.

                • Chris lancashire

                  It’s OK – he has a fairly loose grasp on reality.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …yes, you two do seem to have a grasp on socialist reality.

            • Chris lancashire

              Logic will get you nowhere with this lot.

              • the viceroy’s gin

                …that’s what your boy Dave will be saying, in 15.5 months time, shortly before the lot mounts his head on a spike.

                • Chris lancashire

                  “Shortly before the lot”?? What’s that supposed to mean?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …you were the one who used the term, lad. Ask yourself.

                • Chris lancashire

                  Now come along, you’re not making any sort of sense.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …no good reason to come along with you socialists, lad. I mean, you’re liable to go Savile and fix it or something.

                • Chris lancashire

                  You’re not using any tonic at all now are you?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …yes, that would be a common tactic you Savile fixers used, for your, er, ministrations.

                • Chris lancashire

                  Oh dear, I think you’re beginning to plumb depths even I didn’t think you were capable of.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …yes, you socialist Savilistas are expert in plumbing depths, as we know .

                • Chris lancashire

                  Think really, really hard about what you are typing and alleging before you get yourself into really serious trouble.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …what are you blathering about now, lad?

      • telemachus

        Can we abide sanctimonious prats
        *
        One worse than vapid prats like Farage

        • Nicholas chuzzlewit

          Well you are the biggest sanctimonious prat on this site and without question the most vapid and so perhaps you should look in a mirror and answer your own question. Perhaps then you will decide to get lost and never pollute these threads again. We live in hope.

          • telemachus

            The mirror gives me pause
            *
            But then I see my duty
            In this case we must all see the truth of this splendid post from Mr Payne
            *
            You have to ask Chris what evidence he has to object to someone who points out the vapid nature of Farage and the insubstantial nature of the party he leads

            • Nicholas chuzzlewit

              I am no supporter of Mr Farage but he certainly appears less vapid, less sanctimonious and enormously more honest than Miliband and Balls, the two most disgusting men in British public life.

              • telemachus

                Balls is worth ten of Farage
                Forget his politics and look at the man
                Scour the press for interaction with all manners of Britons whether on the football field or off
                Look at his charity work for action for stammering children and WhizzKidz
                His marathon running
                *
                Who was named man of the match in the politicians journalists football game?

                • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                  I look at Ed Balls and feel utter disgust that such an amoral, incompetent imbecile should have been allowed to blight British public life.

                • telemachus

                  He has that effect on the hard hearted
                  Most warm to his charisma

                • ArchiePonsonby

                  Charisma? Satire, right?

                • HookesLaw

                  I like to think it is, because otherwise he is in need of electric shock therapy.

                • telemachus

                  Ed Balls may have his problems persuading the wider public of his charms, but he has always been a popular figure…
                  Words are important — and politicians believe they know the right things to say on such occasions. They celebrate the contribution ..they tell us much we can learn from its approach to education, to philanthropy, to entrepreneurialism.
                  And so on

                • HookesLaw

                  Apart from Milband’s Euro enthusiasm the thing which should worry sane people as opposed to the kipper apologists is that once again we see a split between Labour’s proposed PM and its Chancellor.

                  But personality clashes have always been more important to Labour than sound policies.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  During the expenses scandal in the House of Commons, Balls and his wife tried via court injunction to hide that they ‘flipped homes’ 3 times in 2 years, claimed £600 each month in food a ‘cost of living crisis’), had their expenses docked after each of them had submitted two monthly claims for mortgage interest of nearly £1,300 when their mortgage statements showed the interest-only element of their mortgage standing at £733.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  (Balls) went from a 9000+ majority down to an 1100 majority at the election 2010. He is loathed in his constituency . . . “

                • Colonel Mustard

                  “Edward Michael ‘Ed’ Balls (born 25 February 1967) is Labour MP for the West Yorkshire constituency of Normanton and is thus one of the Labour MPs who shat their pants when Northern Rock went t*** up.

                  A Brownite (now somewhat lost as his mentor has fecked off), he believes in the big lie, micro management and ignoring the real issues – with a heavy dose of contempt for the electorate. This man, if left to his own devices, would turn the UK into 1970’s East Germany but without the sporting success.

                  He’s actually a self-hating member of the British upper middle class. Privately educated in Nottingham, after which he went to Oxford University, he founded a drinking club called the ‘Keble College Steamers’ as a sort of pathetic imitation of the Bullingdon, Assassins or Piers Gaveston societies.

                  From June 2007 till May 2010, Eddie baby was Secretary of State for Children, Schools and Families and is thus the arch enemy of MDN. He was convicted of driving without due care and attention in early 2010. His oversight? Answering his mobile while driving his car with his children asleep in the back. If he cares this little about his own children, you can guess he didnt give a flying f**k about yours.

                  He’s (conveniently) married to Yvette Cooper MP. So any t-shirts you want to print saying ‘Yvette Cooper kisses Balls’ can be accurate in several senses.

                  During the expenses scandal in the House of Commons, he and his wife tried via court injunction to hide that they

                  ‘flipped homes’ 3 times in 2 years,

                  claim £600 each month in food,

                  had their expenses docked, after each submitted two monthly claims for mortgage interest of nearly £1,300 when their mortgage statements showed the interest-only element of their mortgage standing at £733.

                  Almost suffered a Portillo Moment (where a ministers ‘safe’ seat is lost like wot ‘appened to Mr Portillo) in that he went from a 9000+ majority down to an 1100 majority at the election 2010. He is loathed in his constituency where he seemed quite happy to insult his constituents (effectively calling one a liar) as he begged for their vote.

                  He does exactly what it says on his tin… talks balls but has a brother who seems quite sensible.”

                  Courtesy of the the British Military Open Encyclopedia which has his number.

                  http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Ed_Balls

                • telemachus

                  Most folks in Oxford who have anything about them get their out of College social interaction in one society or another often linked if you have a political bent by the Oxford Union, itself a private society and not a Union in the sense that we usually know it. As an Oxford Union Life Member and ex Piers Gaveston(dyonysian) aficionado I can tell you that the networking is invaluable as you struggle to make your way in a society still dominated by the aristocratic establishment that has run us for centuries

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Cnut.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  “The Piers Gaveston Society is a secret dining club at the University of Oxford with membership limited to 12 undergraduates. It is named in honour of Piers Gaveston, favourite and supposed lover of King Edward II of England. Its members have a reputation for indulging in bizarre entertainments and sexual excess. Traditionally, the society organises secret bacchanalian parties for hundreds of friends, who are whisked away to secret locations (usually grand country mansions) to enjoy a night of Bollinger champagne, beluga caviar, multitudinous illegal drugs, and public copulation. Words most often associated with this society are decadence and debauchery.”

                  Very ‘caring’. Very ‘egalitarian’.

        • Colonel Mustard

          People in glass houses, etc. Always thought you had zero self awareness. A pea brain supported by a brass neck.

    • HookesLaw

      UKIP’s appeal has not spread anywhere. Given we have a coalition it is just a dumping ground for protest votes at a time of recession and austerity.

      And if UKIP were to become a broad based mass party and desire to actually achieve something, it would cease to be the party which the nutjobs hold so dear, it would be just another party, having to actually justify its views and trim them to attract votes.

      • Wessex Man

        You Hooky, are part of the establishment that seeks to smear anything to do with UKip because you and the establishment are frightened to death of us. You lost the economic argument against us so stoop to smear.

        Meanwhile you Tories and Lib/Dems’ continue to give in equal measure.

        Following on from my earlier post- Having refused to give details of Call me Dave’s cosy Donor Dinners, he now makes two of them Government Advocates- Tim Wates who donated £275,000 to the Tories and Ayman Asfari who donated £387,000.

        We then find out that the Liberal Democrats have used tax-payers money to try and surpress an Indepenent Report on Mike Handcock.

        Now I wonder why this particular Spectator contributer hasn’t raised any of this but is quite happy to ‘reveal’ that UKip won’t be using it’s 2010 manifesto in 2015!

        • HookesLaw

          Advocates for British trade. So is Archie Norman. So is Sir Cameron Mackintosh. Whats wrong with that. Wates’ donations (his company I think) cover 13 years. He heads a major construction company. He is suited for the role. Is it paid? What is your problem? How sad are you?

          How many dinners does Farage have with his donor?

          • Wessex Man

            you are so fond of pointing out that Nigel Farage doesn’t have any Members of the Uk Parliament as yet, so that’s a non question from you as usual.

            What is worrying to all of us out here is that these people after giving so generously to the Tory Party are now Government Adovocates as for the rest, well the usual suspects Hooky!

            • HookesLaw

              I don’t particularly mention UKIPs lack of MPs. But that has nothing to do with the issue in question.
              Advocates for British trade. What is their pay? Your remarks about donors is bu££$h!te when we see how reliant UKIP are on 1 donor.

            • Nicholas chuzzlewit

              I am a conservative but believe that UKIP has touched a nerve with many British voters disillusioned by traditional parties they perceive to be both deceitful and indivisible. I confess I have a lot of sympathy with this view and frankly, would welcome UKIP Representation in parliament. This word force UKIP to hone more durable and coherent policies which might help many disillusioned by politics to re-engage. My concern is that I do not believe many UKIP supporters made this choice because “Labour is not left-wing enough or insufficiently pro-Europe”. That is not say some UKIP supporters are not Ex-Labour voters but that UKIP supporters are not hoping for a Labour victory. I suppose there is a school of thought that a Labour victory would destroy the Tories and that UKIP would pick up the pieces. But what would be left after 5 more years of Labour? I think it would be a question of raking through the ashes. I would like to see the Tories and UKIP making common cause but suspect there is little chance of that.

              • the viceroy’s gin

                The ashes are being raked through already, lad, courtesy of the LibLabCon socialists.

                • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                  Sadly true. What does one have to do to get a right-of-centre government these days?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …vote UKIP.

                • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                  A fine point of principle but how do you rate their chances of winning 326 seats or more in 2015? Labour will in all probability win 35% of the vote because that is what it’s nodding donkey supporters do. Some people will still vote Tory and Lib Dem so……

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  You’re asking the precise wrong question. The LibLabCon clones have given you the ashes you’re currently raking through. It doesn’t matter which of these socialist clones wins.

                  Unless and until you accept that they are socialist clones, you can’t really view the situation in the proper light.

                • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                  I find them all disappointing but have to live with the distinct possibility that one or other or a combination thereof will form the next government.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …it will likely be a combination of the Millipedes and the Camerloons, except the MIllipedes will demand Call Me Dave’s head on a spike.

                  One way or another, that spike is destined to be adorned by Dave’s head. Best get right with it now, even if he can’t.

                • Chris lancashire

                  About zero or less.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  So, the same as your socialist Camerluvvie buds, then.

              • Wessex Man

                I was once a Tory myself, I’m better now, this current mob are no more Tory that Tony Blair and Gordon Brown in their prime, the Tory Party has changed so much it’s no more than a posh boy’s socialist collective.

                Call me Dave with his vague promises of a referendum in 2017, if returned to power, if he can negotiate new terms, when the European Commissioners have already said they won’t negotiate is now shown not to really want to as the Lords talk the Bill out of time with no objection from him shows himself in his true light.

                There really is no one within the Tory front bench who can turn them around.

          • Makroon

            “How many dinners does Farage have with his donor ?”
            Do you mean Sykes or Murdoch ?

      • Two Bob

        If that was the case you would not be so bothered by them!

        They obviously are a thorn in your side or you wouldnt be foaming at the mouth!

        • HookesLaw

          If there is one thing I do not want its a return of a labour govt. One reason is that I am quite looking forward to a referendum in 2017.

          • Two Bob

            What drivel! You appear to be interchangeable between the two.

            • HookesLaw

              I am a conservative and the biggest danger the UK faces is a return of a Europhile Labour govt.

              • the viceroy’s gin

                You are a socialist, but if you’re that concerned about your socialist soulmates the Millipedes, suggest you not split the UKIP vote, lad.

          • Chris lancashire

            Absolutely correct. The worst of all outcomes is PM Miliband and Chancellor Balls (that’s as long as Balls-Cooper don’t knife Miliband in the back). If, by an outside chance we get a Conservative government then I, too, look forward to the referendum. In which I will vote to stay in. (Cries of anguish, aaaaargh).

            • the viceroy’s gin

              Well, as the Millipedes appear to be your bete noir, it likely behooves you not to split the UKIP vote, lad.

              • Chris lancashire

                Bête has a circumflex.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …have you Camerloonian Levesonistas forced mandatory circumflex usage, then?

                • Chris lancashire

                  And behoves has one o.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …so you Levesonistas mandate grammar and spelling, is it? I should commend you on the comprehensive nature of your socialism.

                • HookesLaw

                  There is only one d in redneck.

                • Chris lancashire

                  Now that’s witty.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …yes, but has Leveson approved of it yet, lad? We shouldn’t cross the Camerloonian Komissar, should we?

                • Chris lancashire

                  That’s making even less sense. Have you been skimping on the tonic again?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …watch it, lad. Komissar Leveson might not permit such allusions, you know.

                • Chris lancashire

                  At least put some ice in it – it helps to dilute the alcohol.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …I mean it, you can never tell when Komissar Leveson will come down on you, lad .

                • Wessex Man

                  Theres only one D in D******* Hooky baby!

            • Alexandrovich

              Of cousre you will because, as you told us a couple of years ago, you were proud to employ Poles over Brits in your little business.

              • Chris lancashire

                Not “over” Brits but, yes, I am proud to employ them.

            • Wessex Man

              you’re too late, much like Call me Dave’s promise of a referendum, it’s being talked out in the Lords. I suggest you go and hug a Huskie for your anger management.

    • Makroon

      Nevertheless, the sheep-like UKIPpers on here have been referring to the manifesto as “where we stand” for years now, especially that barrack-room lawyer bloke Cooper.
      Still, I suppose now that Farage has spoken, they’ll all dutifully repudiate the manifesto, and demand hand guns (in boxes) for all.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        It’s amusing that you socialist Camerluvvie drones would call thinking folk “sheep”.

        • HookesLaw

          Kippers don’t think.
          Its amazing how little self awareness yolu have – of how you tell the world, how ylou screami it to them, how dim you are when you rant about ‘socialists’.
          Just stick to the target practice with your survivalist friends.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            Yes, and it’s even more amusing that you socialist Camerluvvies insult others, and then expect them to support your socialist candidates. You lot just don’t get it. Maybe you will though, when you look up at your boy Dave’s head, mounted on that spike, 15.5 months from now.

  • Steve Lloyd

    The desperation of pariah politicians and their compliant media sock puppets become more palpable by the day.

    • Gawain

      Don’t be so rude about Nigel !

      • Wessex Man

        My you are rather full of yourself aren’t you, while you are feeling so chatty will you tell us why Call me Dave refuses to divulge how many private Diners he’s arranged for Tory Party donors and Pressure Group Donors, even though ordered to by the Standards Committee to do so?

        • Gawain

          That’s really rich coming from the party were all the ‘nasty” Tories have gone according to Nasty Nige himself !! Also a bit dangerous for a UKIP supporter to start raising the issue of funding. Who does fund UKIP ?? How many multi millionaires really love the Fruitcakes ?Why are there so many North American Tea Party supporters on this blog ? What exactly are your links with the National Front in your beloved Euro Parliament ?

          • Wessex Man

            Typical Tory propagandist, you don’t answer direct questions just try to smear you sad person!

            • Gawain

              How nasty your comments are.

              • Wessex Man

                Oh I’m so sorry, if I could reach out to you I would give you a shoulder to cry on, not mine mind, Hooky’s. you couldn’t make up you both but someone has.

          • gerontius

            That’s really rich coming from the party were all the ‘nasty” Tories have gone

            No it isn’t, it’s just a perfectly reasonable question.
            I’d like to know the answer too. Why don’t you give us the answer Gawain

  • Normandee

    How the conservatives can criticise any UKIP manifesto when it supplies so much of their policy lately, even as lately as this morning in Davos, is unbelievable. Just another example of the extremes you will go to to save the party, regardless of the cost the “party” must survive, regardless of the damage to the country the “party” must survive, regardless of the lies, and the betrayal of everything conservatives (real ones that is) have achieved in the past the “party” must survive. Well I paid my £30 this morning, another one gone!

    • Gawain

      No one is criticising, we’re just laughing.

    • GnosticBrian

      Uniforms for Taxi Drivers? I missed the Tory announcement on that at Davos.

      • Gawain

        Dont’t forget repainting the trains in regional colours ! I think the Tories should adopt this immediately and sweep to victory in 2015.

        • Chris lancashire

          Apparently flat tax has gone out of the window of the repainted train.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            …maybe it’ll get sucked up into the global warmingist windmill, then.

            • Chris lancashire

              “Warmingist”?? Must try harder tvg minor.

              • the viceroy’s gin

                …no can do, lad. The excessive carbon emissions, you know.

                • Chris lancashire

                  “Ahold” ?? Is that a word you made up? I’m really beginning to despair of you tvg.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Well, you socialists are known as a despairing lot.

                  And you bring much to despair.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            …then again, maybe one of the hugged huskies will get ahold of it, and retrieve it back to master Dave (who will blanche, suffer an attack of the vapors, and reach for Das Kapital up on the shelf for comfort).

            • Chris lancashire

              It’s vapours – with a u. Unless, of course, you’re American. Which I somehow doubt.

              • the viceroy’s gin

                The blasted Americans, they’re frying the planet and they can’t spell either. Can’t you Levesonistas do something about their spelling? Maybe you can bomb them like Libya?

  • HenryWood

    My goodness, even The Spectator is running scared of UKIP.
    Mr. Payne, how about fisking some of the other parties too?

    • Gawain

      That would be so tedious. Nasty Nige and the Fruitcakes are just so entertaining !

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