The media’s not giving us the full picture of Ukraine

27 January 2014

5:31 PM

27 January 2014

5:31 PM

Much as was the case with Syria, and to a lesser degree Egypt, I wonder if we are getting a true picture of the mood within Ukraine on our excitable daily news programmes. Reporters speak of a ‘revolution’, and certainly there is fury in the capital, Kiev and some other cities in the west of the country, such as Lviv. But what’s happening in the east of Ukraine, and the south? The country’s four largest cities, after Kiev, have been very quiet. A handful of protestors – about 50 – in Donetsk, and vague sounding ‘reports of unrest’ and ‘crowds of hundreds’ in Odessa or Dnepropetrovsk. Meanwhile,  one hundred thousand people marched in support of the president in Kharkov. Just, y’know, sayin’.

Incidentally, recent polls have found that between 45% and more than 50% of Ukrainians support the pro-western protests (Euromaidan), while a proportion between 42% and 50% are opposed. Most of Euromaidan’s support is concentrated in Kiev and western Ukraine. So not quite as clear cut as it would appear. You can see those polls here, here and here.

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  • Tina Thompson

    These protests are due Ukrainian government backing out of the deal with the EU. These protesters will not stop until Yanukovych is out of office

  • Peter Foster

    Western Ukraine was part of Austria-Hungary until 1918, and of Poland from 1921 after the Polish/Soviet border war. From 1939-1944 it changed hands with the ebb and flow of WW2 German and Soviet territorial shifts, before Stalin’s demand at Tehran and Yalta that it be incorporated into the USSR. Interestingly Stalin reintroduced earlier proposals by Lord Curzon to back up his argument. In 1918, Curzon had proposed a Soviet/Polish border line 260 miles to the west of the actual post-1921 border and it was the Curzon Line, incorporating the disputed provincial capital of Lvov (now Lviv), which was adopted in the post-1945 settlement. Westerners have a 100 year history of insurrection against all 4 of their Austro-Hungarian, Polish, German and Soviet occupiers and will certainly oppose a Moscow-oriented central government, if that is the way Kiev goes. If that happens it might not be surprising to see calls for the re-emergence of the West Ukraine Republic, whose (initial?) short-lived history ran from late 1918 to early 1919.

    • pearlsandoysters

      Might be the case, though the western part appears too much power-grabby to go it alone.

  • timbazo

    Ukraine is essentially split and has been for many years. The west favours the EU and the east Russia.

  • artemis in france

    It appears that if you want to know the réal mood of any population you need to stay away from the capital city.

  • gelert

    It’s no coincidence that the EU loving Beeb is propagandising for the protesters. It seems SKY are getting more and more like the Beeb with their AGW and EU line as well.

  • DougS

    Anybody who’s pro EU must, by BBC definition, be a good person.

    Hence, all Ukrainians who would like some free money from the EU are just that.

    BBC and EU opinions about almost everything are interchangeable and God help you if you’re interviewed on a BBC programme and you don’t swoon with admiration at everything EU.

    I’m off to watch ‘Russia Today’ to find out the other side of the story!

    • clara simon

      i watch rt regularly & more often than not they cover both sides equal including criticizing Putin & Moscow,when if ever have you seen a uk or usa news channel really speak against the ruling regime

  • Jez


    When has my stuff ever needed moderating?

    • Jez


  • Sean Lamb

    “The media’s not giving us the full picture”
    What?!!??? I’m shocked, SHOCKED.

    Some years ago I was in Georgia, for decades – centuries almost – Georgia had been the holiday playground of Russians. When I was there it was a land of completely abandoned burned out hotel blocks. Partly probably Russians have found more glamorous places to go on vacation, but partly it is response to idiotic Harvard educated politicians determined to snuggle up to the Anglosphere – to the point of throwing away the lives of a couple of hundred of their young men in one of history’s more pointless little wars. For reasons utterly perplexing to me, it appears that young American college students aren’t abandoning Cancun and flocking to spend spring break in Batumi on the Black Sea and so the entire tourist infrastructure has simply been abandoned.
    The EU agreement was always portrayed as trying to pull Ukraine out of Russia’s orbit. Quite why we would want to pull Ukraine out of Russia’s orbit is never explained, simply assumed that all rational people would want to do this. My own view it would be detrimental to Ukraine and Russia and the rest of the region to use free trade agreements as such instruments and that statesmen and media are busy, not for the first time, engaged in fighting the last war.

    • stevealbury

      I was in Georgia last year and all those bombed out hotels are now back in action and Batumi is building more new hotels than can possibly ever be needed – the idea the tourist infrastructure is abandoned is no longer correct – The ski resort being constructed in Mestia will be nice but at current rates of construction won’t be ready for another hundred years – Tbilisi is one of the friendliest capital cities I have ever been to & Georgians are very good at the balancing act they have had to perform for centuries to protect themselves from Turkish invasion – though as Turkey currently occupies most of historical Georgia it hasn’t always worked out well.

  • Colin

    And, apart from a few blocks in the city centre, life in Kiev goes on, as usual. It’s not as clear Cut as we’re being led to believe. Im in Ukraine, on a regular basis for business, the idea that the whole country loves the west is nonsense.

    I’m starting to get the impression that the Political / Media complex will do anything to stir up trouble. Which, as we all know is good for “business”.

    It’s as if there is a clamour for conflict, at any cost, anywhere.

    • anncalba

      And when we had riots in London (for an entirely different reason) life went on there as well too. So according to your reasoning, those riots should have been ignored?

  • JonBW

    Ukraine is to Russia what Ireland is to England; the South and East are the equivalent of Ulster.

    The EU should stay out of it and let Ukraine decide for itself.

    • Dean Jackson

      You don’t know what you’re talking about…I know that for a fact!

      Pardon my bluntness, but there’s no time for niceties.

    • anncalba

      Indeed, they were about to have a referendum – which was cancelled (apparently under pressure from Putin – but, hey ho, we’ve been there too)
      The common denominstor is the reluctance of the ruling class to let the pople have their say, same applies to the EU, Russia, China, or the Arab states. Democracy, will of the people – don’t make me laugh.

      • pearlsandoysters

        Democracy was actually possible in Greek city states, that’s it.

    • pearlsandoysters

      This comparison’s actually only partly true, since the history is much more complex & complicated, meaning that Kiev was the capital of the very first Russian state and place were Russia adopted Christianity before things moved on with the resultant capital in Moscow. In a way, Kiev is the cradle of Russia as we know it today. Meanwhile, the nationalist elements in the Western part of the Ukraine want to build their nation sate on a very shaky foundations with blatant disregard of history. It should be said that Ukraine is an independent state nowadays & its citizens should decide for themselves without undue pressure & interference.

      • JonBW

        Actually that emphasises the analogy: the role of the Celtic Church in Christianising England is quite similar and England was (arguably) Celtic before it was Romano-British or Anglo-Saxon.

        Agree entirely that outside influence is undesirable.

        • pearlsandoysters

          The point is not about Christianity or Church only, once Kiev was the capital of Russian state (!) while, if memory serves me well, Dublin was not the capital of the kingdom of England. The Russian princedom existed perfectly well being pagan, till at some point the ruler (prince Vladimir) decided to adopt Orthodox faith establishing close links with Byzantine empire. Plus, Russian has always been more monolith Christian Orthodox with small communities of other confessions, so the story is quite different. I guess, it’s not really possible to project or one historic “plot” onto different history, once the parallels will inevitable be superficial. Currently, the situation in the Ukraine may resemble Irish one, especially with nationalists “headliners”, yet the historic roots are very, very different.

    • Richard

      We will not be able to ignore it.

  • Dean Jackson

    The caption reads, “The media’s not giving us the full picture of Ukraine”

    Neither is The Spectator…why would that be?

    These protests are manufactured by the Ukrainian government to facilitate Kiev “giving in” to the protesters’ demand that the Ukraine join with the European Union, the ultimate purpose for joining so that the Ukraine will be one of the first nations to leave the EU, resulting in its collapse. Europe will then form a new union with Russia, from the ‘Atlantic to Vladivostok’, which will accomplish two goals for Communist Strategists, (1) the further isolation of the United States in the world; and (2) the end of NATO.

    “Editor’s Note: The phrases ‘From the Atlantic to the Urals’, ‘From the Atlantic to Vladivostok’ and ‘From Vancouver to Vladivostok’ are interchangeable in the strategists’ lexicon. In the course of his Nobel Peace Prize Lecture, delivered in Oslo in June 1992, Gorbachev said: ‘Our [sic] vision of the European space from the Atlantic to the Urals is not that of a closed system. Since it includes the Soviet Union [sic], which reaches to the shores of the Pacific, it goes beyond nominal geographical boundaries’. Note that Gorbachev, who had been out of office for six months, referred to the Soviet Union, not Russia. In an interview on Moscow Television on 19 November 1991, Eduard Shevardnadze continued speaking as though he was still Soviet Foreign Minister: ‘I think that the idea of a Common European Home, the building of a united Europe, and I would like to underline today, of great Europe, the building of Great Europe, great, united Europe, from the Atlantic to the Urals, from the Atlantic to Vladivostok, including all our territory, most probably a European-Asian space, this project is inevitable. I am sure that we will come to building a united military space as well. To say more precisely: we will build a united Europe, whose security will be based on the principles of collective security. Precisely, collective security’. These statements by key implementers of the strategy reflect the central strategic objective of asserting ‘irreversible’ Russian/Soviet hegemony over Eurasia, thus establishing the primary geographical component of the intended World Government.” — ‘The Perestroika Deception’, by KGB defector Major Anatoliy Golitsyn.

    For those unfamiliar with this subject, the “collapse” of the USSR in 1991 was a strategic ruse under the “Long-Range Policy” (LRP). What is the LRP, you ask? The LRP is the “new” strategy all Communist nations signed onto in 1960 to defeat the West with. The last major disinformation operation under the LRP was the “collapse” of the USSR in 1991.

    The next major disinformation operation under the LRP will be the fraudulent collapse of the Chinese Communist government. When that occurs, Taiwan will be stymied from not joining the mainland. This is why China is buying up gold all over the word. It is believed that China currently has 3,000 [metric] tonnes of gold. When China has 6,000 [metric] tonnes it will have the minimum gold reserves necessary for its currency, the yuan, to replace the United States’ dollar as the world’s reserve currency, that is after the fraudulent collapse of the Chinese Communist government (the United States gold reserves is approximately 8,133.5 [metric] tonnes).

    Of course, the fraudulent “collapse” of the USSR (and East Bloc) couldn’t have been pulled off until both political parties in the United States (and political parties elsewhere in the West) were co-opted by Moscow & Allies, which explains why verification of the “collapse” was never undertaken by the West, such verification being (1) a natural administrative procedure (since the USSR wasn’t occupied by Western military forces); and (2) necessary for the survival of the West. Recall President Reagan’s favorite phrase, “Trust, but verify”. Notice that not one political party in the West demanded verification, and the media failed to alert your attention to this fact, including the “alternative” media. When determining whether the “former” USSR is complying with arms control treaties, what does the United States do to confirm compliance? Right, the United States sends into the “former” USSR investigative teams to VERIFY compliance, yet when it’s the fate of the West that’s at stake should the collapse of the USSR be a ruse, what does the United States do to confirm the collapse? Nothing!

    “Krasnaya Zvezda” is Russian (no kidding!) for “Red Star”, the official newspaper of Soviet and later Russian Ministry of Defense. The paper’s official designation is, “Central Organ of the Russian Ministry of Defense.” Note the four Soviet emblems next to the still existing Soviet era masthead, one of which pictures Lenin’s head, the man who removed the independent Russian nation from the map, supplanting it within the new nation called the USSR (the USSR being the nation that was to one day include all the nations of the Earth, incorporation taking place either by violent revolution or deception)! Those Soviet emblems and Lenin’s head can’t still be next to the masthead of the Russian Ministry of Defense’s newspaper due to their association with the Soviet Union and its ideals of world revolution; the nations of the world constituting the Soviet Union!

    For more on the “Long-Range Policy”, read KGB defector Major Anatoliy Golitsyn’s book, “New Lies for Old” (available at Internet Archive), the only Soviet era defector to still be under protective custody in the West:

    • Ridcully

      ..which proves the old adage “the simplest explanation is usually the best one.”

      • Dean Jackson

        Simplicity has nothing to do with explaining anything, only the evidence can explain and the evidence is in, thanks to KGB defector Major Anatoliy Golitsyn and me!

  • Jez

    Irony overload.

    It seems from the news pictures that this is heavily leaning towards some kind of Nationalist uprising?

    Well done BBC.

    No, really. Well done!

  • In2minds

    The reporting from Ukraine reminds me of Greece at the start of the
    economic downturn. The BBC could only find people who wanted to stay
    in the euro and loved the EU even though it was clear that this was
    the root of their troubles. Suspicious I was.

    • global city

      and the way reporters kept saying it was a demo in favour of joining the EU, when the EU aspect was nothing of the sort.

      I am sure that they have done this to make us think that if there are Ukranians willing to die to have the fruits of the EU for their countrymen then it must be absolutely brilliant….and we should stay in.

  • Pootles

    Another good point raised, Liddle. Interestingly, the divisions that you mention (east-west Ukraine) were very marked during the second world war, and, if you factor in the Catholic-Orthodox division, then that’s another layer of complexity. You do a decent job, for a grumpy, angry bugger.

    • Hexhamgeezer

      Yes. The BBC is accurate(ish) if you disregard the east and likewise RT if you disregard western Ukraine.

  • Daniel Maris

    It’s complicated and our media could do more to explain the complexity, for sure.

    There are occasional mentions that the main rioters/rebels are “right wingers”. One suspects, in a Ukrainian context, this means the sort of right winger who would furrow Joan Bakewell’s brow such that it might never unfurrow.

    • Robert Sime

      Our media could do a lot of worthwhile things. I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for them to do them, though.

    • brotherbaldrick

      “our media do more to explain” – eh? You having a laugh? The copy and paste artists in the MSM are as thick as pig dung. Ukraine is indeed split along ethnic and cultural lines, and the Holodomor is still fresh in Ukrainian minds. The western Ukraine fought on the side of the Nazi’s during WW II, seeing them as liberators, and are for the most part fiercely nationalistic. Sadly I think the only solution in the end will be the partition of the country.

    • Swanky

      ‘our media could do more to explain the complexity, for sure’

      It sounds as though they don’t understand it.

  • kevin59

    anncalba makes a very good point. Ukraine is split along ethnic and cultural lines. The sides in the dispute mirror these divisions. Western Ukraine’s population is largely Ukrainian and wants a powerful ally against Russian domination. Eastern Ukraine has a big concentration of ethnic Russians who look towards their ‘homeland.’

    • global city

      all as a result of Soviet enforced ‘enrichment’ through mass migration… .now look at the place!

    • Blazenka Hudson-trograncic

      I see Rod mentioned Lviv , or Lvov or even Lemberg as was, Mitteleuropa if ever anywhere was but the East is a very ‘Russian’ sort of place.

    • anncalba

      Kevin – the one thing we got over and over again, was that they were all, from whatever ethnic background, eagerly looking forward to and talking about the promised referendum. They all believed, or so it seemed, that they lived in some kind of democracy. With what result, when the referendum was cancelled, we now see.

  • Druth

    “The media’s not giving us the full picture of Uk”. Fixed.

    • MichtyMe

      When Scotland withdraws, the remainder is to be known as Ukrania and its citizens Ukranians, this may cause some confusion initially.

      • Daniel Maris

        Don’t you mean Ukania? Looks like you already got confused.

  • Comment for Reading

    There are Many People who think that the Honest and Responsible Thing to do is not to discuss who is to blame, but to make some suggestions as to what is the way forward for a Fellow European Country.

    Everyone has their Opinions as to who is mostly to blame, and if time is wasted discussing this, then a Fellow European Country may cease to be a Constitutional Democracy, and may resemble Vietnam, Iraq, or Somalia when they had no Government, and those who waste time discussing this unless it is absolutely necessary must share the blame.

    There are certain aspects of a Constitutional Democracy, and one of them is that Citizens have the Human Right and the Democratic Right to Vote at Constitutionally Scheduled Elections.

    In a Democracy, it is Not up to a Lawless, Violent, and Uninformed Mob in the Street,, who could Easily be Manipulated or Bribed by Foreigners, to Deny Ukrainians these Most Basic of Human Rights, and to Deny Ukrainians their Most Basic of Democratic Rights, which is to decide matters at Legally and Constitutionally Scheduled Elections.

    It is difficult to know if Ukraine can function as a Parliamentary Democracy, with no Office of President, because the Problem with Ukraine, is that too Many People are Undemocratic and Anti Democratic, as is proven by the Street Riots.

    It is a Fact that it is impossible to have 100 % agreement on any matter in a Democracy, and so different People will have different Opinions, and this does not always mean that it is because of being Hardened Liars, or because of having a Vested Interest, or because they are Nazis, even though this is the case at times, and I have found the Worst Offenders to be the Western Main Stream Media.

    There will be some People in Ukraine who see the Office of President as a necessary Office, and some People will see it as being Anti Democratic, and that Only a Parliament can provide True Democracy, and this view has nothing to do with the Person who occupies the Office of President, because Presidents come and go, but it Only has to do with their Opinion that Only a Parliament can provide True Democracy.

    I will offer no Opinion on this, because Ukraine is not my Country, and that is a matter for them to decide and to change within the Legal and Constitutional Framework, if they want to, and I think that if Ukraine had no Office of President, then they might want a Senate with only a small number of Senators to slow down the Legislative Process, in order to scrutinize Legislation, but a small Senate might be good for Ukraine, even if they retain the Office of President.

    However, one Real Problem is that too Many Ukrainians have not learned that matters should be Resolved at Elections, and in Parliamentary Debates.

    If the Anti Democratic Riots continue for too long, then Ukraine will become a Third World Country.

    I do not understand how Business works, but I would be nervous and wary of investing in Ukraine if these Riots continue for too much longer.

    Ukraine has many Economic and Financial Problems, and the Opposition Parties have Irresponsibly made suggestions of having a General Strike, and that will only hasten Ukraine’s path towards a Third World Country.

    If there is no Legitimate Constitutional Government, then we know that Somalia had no Government for a while, and we know what happened in Somalia during those years.

    They say that Democracy is fragile, and the Most Vital Necessity is Trust, and once the Trust is broken, then there can be no Legitimate Constitutional Government, but there could be a Unilateral Declaration of Independence in some part of Ukraine by those who wish to Reestablish a Legitimate Democratic Constitutional Government.

    I do not know if this point has been reached in Ukraine, because of the Rioters and Terrorists.

    There are People who think that Euro-America is employing the same methods as they did in other Coups, and that this is just another Coup, which is done in the proven to be effective slow motion way, and there are People who think that Euro-America will not stop until they have what they want, and anyone who knows America, knows America.

    There are some Ukrainians who would agree to having a Parliamentary Government with no Office of President, and where the Supreme Court Judge could perform all of the Ceremonial Aspects that a Ceremonial President would do, but Only if Ukraine’s Constitution and a United Nations Security Council Resolution stated that Ukraine would have no Military Alliances.

    On the Condition that Ukraine had no Military Alliances, there would be some Ukrainians who would want to create several States in Ukraine, and these could decide on Trade Deals, even though there would be Trade in all of Ukraine, even as there is Trade among all Countries in the World Trade Organization.

    Each State would calculate their Debt as a percentage based on their GNP or GDP of each State, as of the time of the first State Election compared with Ukraine’s GNP or GDP, and that would be the Obligation of each State to pay back their part of Ukrainian Debt.

    These States would function like the American States, and there would be a Federal Government, and it would need a majority Vote in each State for another Ukrainian State or Oblast to leave the United Oblasts of Ukraine, or to change the Constitution at .

    This is why time is needed to get the Constitution as it should be so that there will not need to be any amendments to that Constitution.

    I think that Voting should be Voluntary, and perhaps there could be 100 % Public Funding for Elections with each Party’s share of that Public Funding based on the percentage of the Vote they received at the last Election.

    Perhaps the Opposition Leaders who were offered the Positions of Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister might reconsider the President’s offer in order to help facilitate a Compromise Deal.

    The Government should speak with and listen to the People, and seek their suggestions for a Compromise Deal.

    If each Ukrainian Oblast becomes a State, then if they each 11 Representatives in the State Assembly with no Governor or Senate, then that should be sufficient, but these need to be Elected in the single Member Electorates like occurs in Britain, and where the Speaker of the State Assembly can Vote on any Motion or Legislation.

    Ukraine has 450 Parliamentarians in the Federal Parliament, and perhaps as few as 190 Federal Politicians with 30 Senators are needed, because the States will be doing most of the work, and the Federal Politicians could continue to be Elected on Proportional System.

    Perhaps the Federal Constitution of America, and Constitution of one of the American States could be Modified and used for Ukraine, and most the Bill of Rights should be included in that Federal Constitution.

    I think that Most Ukrainians believe that they owe something like this to their Fellow Ukrainians after Centuries of being together, even though Ukrainians would continue to be together in one Country.

    If enough of the Parliament agrees, and the Constitution is amended, after sufficient Debate including Public Debate and Public Submissions, then Federal and State Elections for Ukraine can proceed as soon as practical after that.

    There could be a Pardon for certain former Politicians, if it is Constitutional allowed in a New Constitution, and that is if there is a New Constitution for Ukraine because of the Political Negotiations, and the Government should realize that it may not be possible to satisfy some Rioters and so the Government should not try too hard to please the Unreasonable.

    These are some suggestions, and it works for America for Centuries, and it can also provide good Government for Ukraine.

    • binnsmeister

      I think that there may possibly Be Something Wrong With Your Shift Key.

      • Comment for Reading

        The reason I mentioned Voluntary Voting is because all European Democracies have Voluntary Voting, and Ukraine is a European Democracy.

        I said that Perhaps there Could be 100 % Public Funding for Elections, and that Money is to cover the Cost of the Election Campaign, and it does not go into a few People’s Pockets; whereas, Private Donations come with Conditions, and if those Conditions are not fulfilled, then there will not be Campaign Donations at the next Election.

        There are Many Voters who would rather pay a 15 Dollars every few years, that to have a Government who costs them 15 Dollars a week between those Elections, and so they see 100 % Public Funding for Elections as Good Value.

        There are Many Ukrainians who would like a Constitutional Convention to be Convened to make Ukraine a much better Democracy.

        If Ukraine had a Senate, then the Anti Rioting and Anti Terrorist Laws that were passed hastily by the Ukrainian Parliament, would have had to go to the Senate, which usually take their time most of the times, and the Anti Rioting Laws would have been scrutinized, while Public Reaction could have been assessed, and a Sensible Compromise Legislation could have been discussed in the Public Domain.

        As it is, it looks like the Government has to scrap most if not all of their recent Anti Rioting Legislation to appease the Rioters.

        This is because that is the sensible thing to do to help find a Compromise Deal, and I think that a New Constitution for Ukraine is what will benefit Ukraine.

        At first, there were Peaceful Protestors who were making their Opinions known in the Proper Manner, but then the Rioters took to the Streets, with their Criminal Activities, and so the Government enacted Anti Rioting and Anti Terrorist Legislation, but America and its Puppet of the European Union supported the Rioters and Terrorists, because they wanted a Coup in a Democratic European Country for Euro-America.

        Any Society can only function for everyone’s benefit, if the People of that Society give up some of their Freedoms and they make some Personal Sacrifices.

        What this means is that People Must obey certain Laws like the Road Rules, and that they cannot please themselves as to how they use the Roads, and they Must make the Personal sacrifice of paying their Fair Share of Taxes, and some of those Taxes are for those Roads.

        The Government was Elected and was Given the Mandate and the Responsibility to make sure that People are obeying the Road Rules, and paying their Fair Share of Taxes, and the Government has the Regrettable task to penalize those who are found Guilty of not obeying the Road Rules, and those who do not pay their Fair Share of Taxes, and some of those Taxes are for those Roads.

        The Prime Minister of Ukraine has submitted his resignation to show his Personal Sacrifice for his Country, and we will see if the Patriotic Offer by the President to the Opposition Leader Arseniy Yatseniuk to serve his Country in the position of Prime Minister is accepted by Arseniy Yatseniuk.

        I think that I need to provide more information on the suggestion that I made concerning how each Ukrainian State or Oblast can have their own Trade Deals, because a New Constitution would leave Trade Deals to the Oblasts or States of Ukraine.

        This would mean that if a some of the States made a Trade Deal with the European Union, and if some of the States made a Trade Deal with the Eurasian Customs Union, then there would be Tariffs between the Ukrainian States.

        Ukraine would not be a European Union Country, and Ukraine would not be a Member of the Eurasian Customs Union, and it would be up to each State to Manage their own Economy, and there would be Federal Taxes for Federal Programs like Social Security, Defense, Telecommunications, Education, etc, and which would be at the same Laws for each State, and there would be State Taxes for State Programs, and they would be up to each State to determine the Taxes for their State.

        The States would be Dependent on the Federal Government, and the Federal Government would be Dependent on the States in order to preserve the Unity of the Country.

        There is a good Website, not because of the Western Journalists, but it is good because of the Honest comments by some of the Readers and it is at .

        Another Website that tells us the Facts of what is going on in Ukraine, and it is at .

        I think that the Secret behind this is that there are Many Ukrainians who want to Tax the Rich, and that all Political Parties are not Taxing the Rich, and Many Ukrainians do not want to join the European Union or the Eurasian Customs Union, but to remain as they are, and so none of them might be Elected at the Next Election at .

        The European Union knows that the Government is more likely to begin making the Rich pay their Fair Share of Taxes in order to create Employment, and this is why they want the Opposition Parties who are their Puppet to attempt a Coup of a Legitimate and Democratically Elected European Country.

    • DazEng

      Too wordy

    • Robert Sime

      Do you care to expand on that?

    • curious

      Brilliant. I agree that different People will have different Onions.

    • anncalba

      Ah – love all the Capital letters – troll alert.

  • anncalba

    Rod, have you factored in how many of those living in the Ukraine are actually ethnic Russian. We were there about 4 months ago, and certainly in some of the towns we visited the Russians were 50% of the population. So, for example, in Odessa they seemed to be pro-Putin, and in Yalta very much against.

    • stevealbury

      Odessa is not just full of Russians it’s basically a Russian city – but this doesn’t automatically translate into support for Putin – all my wife’s family are Odessans whose only understanding of Ukrainian is where the vocabulary is the same – none of them would want Russia back in charge but all of them expect it to happen

      • anncalba

        Thanks, an interesting comment. A very complex situation, and hard for those of us in the UK who have not been occupied by foreign forces for a thousand years to understand fully. My thoughts were probably way too simple. Have an abiding memory of the main square in Sepastopol where the Russian flag was flying and a party of young Russian Sailors were having their “passing out parade”. One thing that comes across all over Europe though, is how out of touch the ruling elites are!

  • David Kay

    Ive watched whats been happening in the Ukraine on RT from the start. Totally different coverage from the bias presented by the BBC as news. Looks like al jabeeba is just covering it from the pro EU point of view. The Beebs political masters in Brussels must be proud of the propaganda it produces for them

    • Concerned_American27

      Yeah and a channel titled “RUSSIA Today” couldn’t possibly be biased, right?

      • David Kay

        BBC is not meant to be biased to left or the right. It is required to be impartial which it isnt. It has by its own admission a deep liberal pro EU bias. Which is great if your left wing. But i shouldnt be forced to pay for it by the threat of being sent to jail if if i dont fund the BBC even if i never watch it

        I can see through the Russian bias on RT. RT doesnt pretend to be neautral on the news whereas the BBC does and its obvioulsy not. The Russians arent the ones threatening to send me to jail. The BBC is more totalitarian than the soviet union ever was

      • clara simon

        rt shows live & video footage the bbc has been found guilty of false editing a clip shown in October & then again in September with the later being voice dubbed to fit a different story

    • Anna

      they will never say you the truth !! only russian mass media say the truth behind the so called “protests” …..a huge anti-russian propaganda is circling around the world!! a huge LIE!

    • clara simon

      bbc & sky just covering the missing plane & turning away from
      stories of anti eu all over eu.Russia stopped a civil war by helping
      Crimea protect its boarder when they where asked to by the Crimean
      elected government from Kiev activists that were ready to attack
      civilians in Crimea.a job which the un peace keepers should have
      done.the barefaced hypocrisy of the eu & usa is unreal ,the violent
      over through of an elected government ok a referendum not democracy.if i
      flash mobbed downing st & took over it wouldn’t make me the new pm
      of uk & no other country would recognize me as such