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The BBC isn’t Left-wing as such, it’s elitist

8 January 2014

2:07 PM

8 January 2014

2:07 PM

The BBC made a ‘terrible mistake’ in not reflecting public concern about immigration, Nick Robinson has said. This is the latest case of BBC self-flagellation. (Now I think about it, a sort of Maoist-themed programme in which Beeb executives denounced themselves would make great TV.)

BBC bias is a subject I know a bit about, having written a pamphlet on it last year. I thought that, while the BBC is a much-loved institution, it must carry at least some of the blame for the mistakes most people feel were made over immigration under New Labour. Especially in 2000-01, when Conservative politicians were making some quite modest criticisms of rising numbers, the national broadcaster clearly presented their arguments in such a way as to suggest they were beyond the pale, and gave far more space and weight to pro-government politicians and activists. If people now say they were ‘unable to talk about immigration’ during that period, then the BBC was very much a factor.

Now people talk about little else, so that even I’m a bit bored with the subject, feeling like I’m playing ‘Smells Like Teen Spirit’ over and over again for a Nirvana tribute band every time I write about it.

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What I wouldn’t say, though, is that the BBC is ‘Left-wing’ on immigration, because the axis on this subject goes not from Left to Right but from what might be described as globalist to parochial; and the BBC is strongly globalist on immigration, the role of the UN and EU.

Although the original moral impetus for migration was a New Left anti-racist one, that has rather diminished; many Tory elite figures are in favour of free movement, and today it could be argued that the Times is a more powerful and influential organ of pro-migration sentiment than the Guardian, and that’s partly because the Times is the closest thing to an elite newspaper.

On immigration the BBC simply holds the elite view, and it’s hard to see how this is recognisably ‘Left-wing’ in any meaningful sense; these are the same attitudes identified as typically ‘Yuppie’ in the Young Foundation’s study of the East End; they are the views of most young urban professionals today.

Among these set of new elite values held by the globally-minded younger generation are far harsher attitudes towards people on benefits; this is not because they are ‘Right-wing’ but because this is consistent with the new virtues of tolerance, non-discrimination and individualism. As technology continues to widen the gap between the very rich and the struggling, shrinking middle class, elitist, globalist politics will become even more culturally dominant, opposed by Poujadist movements across the West.

There’s a problem, though, with the BBC’s global vision. Globalist people are the exception, and this is not likely to change because global-mindedness depends on a parochial majority; and, as Britain becomes more tolerant and global, the BBC will find it increasingly difficult to justify its license fee. Levels of trust in the corporation have fallen sharply in the past decade, and though the biggest leap was after the Savile scandal there is a broader decline consistent with a more diverse society’s attitude towards shared institutions.

The BBC, like the NHS and the welfare state more generally, are products of a parochial world, a small pond facing the rising tide of globalisation.

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  • Aerfen

    Spot on Ed. The BBCs is neither right nor left but it is Globalist, ‘No Borders’ and supports the New World Order.

    However I would describe the antithesis of Globalist as nationalist and localist, rather than ‘parochial,’ with the somewhat negative connotations that has.

  • andyrwebman

    The use of language is a dead give away.

    Ask yourself how often the BBC uses the socialist “intellectual” tactic of calling everything they disagree with as a “phobia” rather than a difference of opinion.

    It sidesteps debate by attempting to say “let’s just assume we’re right and that anyone who disagrees with us must be irrational”. It’s actually just one step up from playground insults “you’re wrong because you’re a big silly!”

    They’re influencing us in a covert manner just below the radar of our conscious minds.

  • MoronMcdoublechin

    “Among these set of new elite values held by the globally-minded younger generation are far harsher attitudes towards people on benefits; this is not because they are ‘Right-wing’”

    Yes it is you thick right-wing tory and the Tories need to be put down for such an anomaly and maybe and advertisement to put down the ‘young generation’ too

  • StoryHugh

    I am not sure I understand this argument. I see myself as “globalist” (free market is “globalist”), possibly “elite”, metropolitan, more pro-immigration than most people, but I am definitely not pro EU or or pro UN the way the BBC is. I think the BBC is in favour of BIg Institutions because it is one itself. Therefore it is naturally attracted to the NHS, the EU, and the UN because they are big. It is also run by apparatchiks, and is attracted to apparatchik hierarchies. “Aunty BBC” is paternalist and believes that people who work for big organisations know what is good for the “little people”. It is funded by the state and thinks that taxes are good. It also is insular – people work there 24 hours in a closed-in BBC world – and it thinks that people outside its walls are probably mad. They have never met any Tories outside the interview room, and sincerely believe that all Tories are white supremacist gay bashers, and are therefore justified in opposing them and doing them down. They only read the Guardian.. .I’m sorry they ARE left wing. The thing is that Immigration is not a left-right issue, because 75% of the population, including a majority of first and second generation immigrants, are concerned about it.

  • tribalterror

    The BBC is largely Marxist in outlook and with this comes belief in its own infallibility and therefore it is morally correct and in the interests of society to ignore all other viewpoints.

  • bwims

    You amaze me Ed. How someone with sensible conservative views can say that the BBC is not left wing is a mystery! Yes, they are elitists, but in the socialist sense that is condescending to the working class. But that they are crypto-Marxists, I have no doubt.

  • Kennybhoy

    Nope. It is the propaganda organ of the left-liberal “consensus”.

    • John Border

      “Organs” are clearly an area of interest for you.

  • Andy

    Quite where young Westy has been of late one could not say. The BBC is institutionally Left Wing – dogs bark, ducks quack and the BBC peddles the views of the Left.

    And therein lies one of the problems today. The BBC provides the vast majority of people with their ‘news’ via radio and TV. It is a monopoly. As such in any democracy it is profoundly dangerous for there to be a monopoly in news provision and that is why the BBC should be abolished, broken up and we encourage diversity in news, current affairs and drama. The Left will hate that, so you can see it has to be the right thing to do.

    • John Border

      Quite where young Andy has been of late one could not say. He is institutionally blackshirt extremist – dogs bark, ducks quack and young Andy peddles the views of the swivel eyed foamers-at-the-mouth; worthy of a Nuremberg rally I muse with a chuckle.

      Goodness me, one would think that Herr Goebbels had a hand (or something) in bringing Andy into foetus stage. Gosh! a thought innit?!

      • Andy

        Get back to that Fascist rag The Guardian and New Statesman where you belong. No one is interested in your Fascist/Socialist bulls*it.

        • John Border

          Dearest Andy

          Fascism and Socialism are two opposites. You should know this by now, though you are a simple soul. But your Toryism and fascism are incestuously linked.

          See a doctor about your swivelling eyes. And it would be great to see you say something different for once. I think you are a spotty teenager, bereft of anything to say. You may also be a onehanded adulterer, which at least gives you a hobby.
          Bless.

  • Will Rickson

    The debate on immigration needs to be based on facts and sensible policy to limit the wrong sort of immigration not limit immigration as a whole make it hard for people to claim benefits do not make it so people cannot come here do not stop the skilled the hardworking the students the investors the business people

  • Jez

    Let’s see how not left wing they are we Marie Le Pen blows a few records out of the water in May.

    It’ll be interesting to watch and i suspect a little difficult to deliver (from a PR perspective) their undermining of a democratic result without exposing their vindictive & ruthless anti-democratic attitudes when faced with differing opinions to theirs.

    As a sweetener, all borne purely from their (the BBC, Centre / Left Politicians, Europhiles, et al) belligerent social policies vying for the utter destruction of the indigenous working classes both in France and the UK especially.

    Vive la France!

    • John Border

      Aux armes, citoyennes!!

      Mais oui, Jez!!

      • Jez

        Why give them an excuse to wriggle their way out and destroy even more free speech

        La cabine de vote! Battre à leur propre terrain!!

        • John Border

          Oui! va te faire foutre, Jez!

          • Jez

            :-)) Lol!!

  • NotYouNotSure

    Senior BBC staff admit the BBC leans left. The BBC is the darling of a lot of left wingers of other countries. It pushes standard left wing world views in many of its shows, some which one would think should be apolitical. Yet I am told that it is not left wing, and it is absurd to think it is left wing.

  • John Border

    In fact, the BBC is very right wing. It always fails to report the plight of the poor and lay the blame at the Tories’ door.

    As for Oxbridge being left wing!? Pass the sickbag Alice!!

    • NotYouNotSure

      It took me less than 10 seconds to find these links:
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20751708
      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25514307
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3755375.stm

      They all very clearly mention the plight of the poor, I suspect I could find hundreds more like these with a quick google search.

      • John Border

        You forgot the last part of my sentence. Those nasty sc*mbag Tories.

        • Andy

          The BBC is the home of evil sc*mbag Fascist Labour Party members. It should be closed down.

          • John Border

            I wish you were right. As it is, you reveal yourself to be a Daily Mail reading sort. This paper of course supported Hitler.

            The Labour Party fascist? Dont make me laugh! Theyre the moderate wing of the Tory Party. As is the Beeb.

            What degenerate slike you cant stand is that the UK popular consensus is towards decency. You are simply a nasty, vicious inadequate.

            I suggest you go back to solitary pursuits for gentlemen.

            • Andy

              And you are just the usual Fascist morons we get on here from the Left. Sod off back to that Fascist Rag The Guardian.

              • John Border

                Fascism is a quality of rightwing nutters. Like you.

                It’s socialism or barbarism, you know. I want you to suck that up, like the Sieg Heil sucker that you are.
                When I read your rants, I can hear you playing the Horst Wessel song in the background.

                So click those heels m’boy, and straighten up that fetching black uniform with the collar flashes. I thought you died in a Berlin bunker as the glorious Red Army troops kicked down your door.

                Bless.

          • John Border

            And so should you.

            And the person with the godawful unpaid intern job of censoring these posts.

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  • Hugh

    “Among these set of new elite values held by the globally-minded younger
    generation are far harsher attitudes towards people on benefits”

    Can you point me to this far harsher attitude to people on benefits exhibited by the BBC?

  • mrsjosephinehydehartley

    But the BBC is more likely to take the world view – if that what globalisation is – rather than the local view – if that’s what parochialism means in this article- because of what viewers in general seem to prefer.

    The BBC ‘s no good for really hot local information, gossip and hearsay – which is where all the real news comes from, I think. That sort of stuff is best found in other media sources, not only local sources but places like the Mail, mailonline and lately The Times ( which to me is looking more like the mailonline each time I glance through it in my local supermarket.)

    • John Border

      “really hot local information, gossip and hearsay – which is where all the real news comes from, I think. ”

      After this, it’s clear you are a stranger to thinking.

  • Martin Tierney

    I’ve rarely seen such churlish ‘journalism’. Bland thinking, structurally linear ad nauseum – where it exists at all – And all of it, every shred…written by a stipended freeloader who somehow convinced somebody to pay someone as knowledgeable as a wee free at an Ale Tasting Fete. Worst of all though is the erosion of decent writing skills. I used to buy this mag in its 80s heyday. Sure, it was always a neocon, Thatcherite, peasant bashing plaything of old and new rich neophytes… But at least it’s lachies had a turn of phrase.

    • John Border

      “lackies”.

      • Andy

        I see the Socialist filth is here again.

        • John Border

          Workers, peasants, we are
          The great party of labourers.
          The earth belongs only to men;
          The idle will go to reside elsewhere.
          How much of our flesh have they consumed?
          But if these ravens, these vultures
          Disappeared one of these days,
          The sun will shine forever.
          |: This is the final struggle
          Let us group together, and tomorrow
          The Internationale
          Will be the human race. 😐

  • Roy

    The BBC has been found to be unreliable in its ability to be impartial. Therefor it has forgone its public funded monopolistic license.

  • Chris

    “Now people talk about little else, so that even I’m a bit bored with the
    subject, feeling like I’m playing ‘Smells Like Teen Spirit’ over and
    over again for a Nirvana tribute band every time I write about it.”
    That’s OK. I’m bored with living in a “enriched area” and being called a “racist” for being upset that my land is being given to anyone who manages to get past the border patrol and screams “human rights” or “hate crime”.
    I’m sure the young orphans and white working class girls being groomed are also bored with the repeated “enriching”.
    I’m sure of the young out of work who feel they have nothing left to live for are bored with the situation as well.
    You get the hint I hope.

    • Will Rickson

      What are you on about orphans and groomed girls for your sounding like a horrible racist stupid human being and I am deeply offended

      • Chris

        And?

        • Will Rickson

          You comment makes no sense unless your a racist

          • Will Rickson

            More pedophiles are White than not and the ones you are talking about where British Asians not really got anything to do with the current debate on immigration. Immigration helps the economy and therefore jobs. You say immigration does not enrich your area I guess you never eat ethnic food shop in a store owned by someone who is or whoes parents where an immigrant and never employ or get helped by one which means you must live in bubble or somewhere where there is no immigration in which case whats your problem

            • Chris

              Living in Nottingham, your claim that I have not experience immigration is laughable. The idea that some crappy ecoli curry houses justifies bringing half the third world here is so stupid it defies belief.
              I wonder how people like you think England managed to operate for the 1000 years before the onset of mass immigration?
              and as for “More pedophiles are White than not ” – this is racism, or to be precise “anti-racism”

              • Will Rickson

                Most immigration is from the EU the EU is not the third world. As for your other comment what your sound to be saying is that I am a racist against my own race and un patriotic now thats laughable. Fine you have experienced immigration just choose to ignore it benefits

                • Chris Morriss

                  From what you have written, I can only assume that English is not your first language.

                • Will Rickson

                  It is but so what you can still tell what it says you just have no ability to respond

                • Neil Gardner

                  Alarm bells should ring as soon as arguments are reduced to bland talk of “benefits”. Yes, a higher population boosts abstract GDP, retail profits and property speculation. However, a higher GDP does not equate to a better quality of living.

                • Will Rickson

                  Your right but it helps so long as the population does not increase faster than the GDP Given how hard working the people in question are and the fact they provide other benefits i would say immigration increases both quality of life and economic performance I have and can list the benefits so I am not being bland your being bland calling my argument bland

                • Neil Gardner

                  I’be just noticed how NLP-trained lobbyists love to simplify arguments into “benefits”. This is the equivalent of Orwell’s NewSpeak that permitted good and ungood. Now, we either benefit or we don’t benefit, i.e. no focus at all on social or environmental drawbacks. The key issue in England is space, not race. Humans need not just houses, but energy, food, transport links. I’m all for diversity, but in reality we are witnessing quite the opposite, global homogenisation. So I guess if you’d like more roads, cars, greater reliance on imports, wider rich-poor gap, you’ll love unbalanced mass immigration.

                • Will Rickson

                  Never said anything about unbalanced mass immigration I want immigration and a fair amount of it but not unbalanced and would not really call it mass immigration but some might. I have noted the economic benefits and the cultural ones do not see why that is not specific enough. You say we either benefit or do not benefit as if its a yes or no question and then give specifics this leaves me confused. As for your comment about over crowding housing and energy food. England is not over crowded and if we had had as little immigration as some seem to want over the last 5 10 years we would replace any issue with lack of space with demographic disaster. Housing is down to market and government failure and culture more than immigration. Energy the same and food is a global issue not really a developed world issue. Price is determined by global demand more than local demand and it also has government failure and failure of people. No evidence immigration increases imports and yes I want more material stuff. Certainly roads not sure about cars depends on how many what type and how often they are used. Do not see how immigration will increase the gap between the rich and poor either since immigrants seem to work hard and quickly go from very poor to much richer catching up with the natives the real issue is the poor British people and the very very rich. Some inequality is good and what if cutting the gap made everyone poorer and the economy worse. Also again government failure and failure of people and markets more than immigration.

                • Neil Gardner

                  I think you’re in denial about the rather obvious side effects of crowding more people into a confined space. First the rate of net immigration has in the last 15 years reached historically unprecedented rates. The UK’s population is growing its fastest rate since the late 1700s, and this increase is driven primarily either by net immigration or by higher birth rates among second generation immigrants.
                  You claim there is no evidence rather higher immigration boost imports. I wonder what planet you live on, but UK’s debt-fuelled and consumption-driven service sector economy is currently causing vast amounts of pollution and labour exploitation elsewhere. The country has become one giant supermarket and you choose only view the shiny outer facade and neatly arranged products on display.
                  Personally I oppose both population growth and economic growth, I want stability and a world fit for our grandchildren can inherit.

                • Will Rickson

                  Opposing economic growth i dear thats a bad idea. We growth we might need less stuff perhaps but alright for anyone older than me to say that what about people my age who want the stuff that you lot have and even if we have less stuff the bigger problem is other people in other countries who are getting rich and want stuff and try telling them they cannot have what the developed world has had for years and years. Your confusing immigration and how an economy should be run by virtue of coming to a rich country perhaps these immigrants will consume more there is to much consumption in the UK but the answer is to cut consumption not immigration we should make more consume less although that would actually increase consumption to a certain extent or at least shift it from elsewhere in the world as if we start making things rather than services more raw materials will be used perhaps imported but so long as they are exported its good for the economy having said that services are and will be what we are best at for many years to come and they have higher profit margins Like i say he we listened to some we would have a demographic and economic problem to many old people which is far worse than any over crowding the over crowding would be far less of an issue with the right infrastructure investment take london for example it is one of the most spread out cities around if we had built up it would be far better if we had invested more it would be better same applies to other cities in the UK Manchester has vast areas of wasteland I live in Hull and can see empty plots of land in lots of places where things use to be this is before we even consider building on the country side I also live sometimes near blackpool the newspaper is full of stories of planning applications for here there and everywhere some on old sites get building rather look at houses and offices employing people than nasty looking wasteland

                • Will Rickson

                  How are we seeing Global homogenisation and even if we are immigration counteract its

                • Neil Gardner

                  Migration and greater global trade are primary drivers of cultural homogenisation. However, rather than progressing towards a blend of say traditional Albanian, Portuguese and Finnish culture, a global consumer culture is superimposed on everyone. If we continue at this pace, cultural diversity will be reduced to mere classes of ghettoised temp. migrants and wealthy globetrotters in their gated neighbourhoods. If you care about traditional Romanian or Polish culture, then surely you would want both of those countries to flourish in an environmentally sustainable way (i.e not copy the American Dream) rather than encourage their youth to emigrate.

                • Will Rickson

                  I see your point but Anglo American Culture has gone to these countries regardless of them coming here and taking up some of our culture and taking it home or becoming integrated in ours integration is always seen as a good thing it stops other issue. Also a some of there culture is now part of ours even if it is in a very simple for thats a good thing i enjoy it and you probably do to by the sounds of it at least your not one of these we are fantastic everyone else is rubbish kinda people

              • Will Rickson

                I notice you have not countered my fact that proved your wrong regarding grooming and i also note you have not provided an economic or cultural counter argument to what i say either

              • Will Rickson

                My argument about culture may refer mostly to food i love food and its a clear example of a good impact. we can see culture in shops, clothes, art, buildings, communities, and universities which are very diverse places and benefit greatly from immigration

              • Will Rickson

                Have your ever needed the NHS a lot of it would not function without some immigration

                • Will Rickson

                  The same goes for other services and industries

                • Neil Gardner

                  If a country we are unable to sustain key services with our home-grown workers, then clearly we need to provide the right training, incentives and salaries, so people choose more useful career paths, rather than take easy options such as “recruitment consultants”, media wonks, marketing execs or gangster rappers. Besides, why should we deny other countries of good medical staff ?

                • Will Rickson

                  Training is Key but even with the correct training there would be shortages at least in the good times even if one assumes all Britains can be bothered to work

            • andyrwebman

              It has been demonstrated recently that a higher proportion people from asian communities ae committing these acts than from white communities.

              Reality is not PC

          • Chris Morriss

            Until you learn the difference between [your] and [you’re], nobody will bother about whatever you write.

            • Will Rickson

              Your loss as I have destroyed what little argument you offered

              • Will Rickson

                It was meant to be you not your or your’ re so you where also wrong and big deal one typing error from someone who is dyslexic as I say have destroyed what little argument you have offered so despite poor spelling grammar and typing I am still the winner I am right your are wrong I am right and your are a racist by the looks of it

  • Peter Stroud

    Sorry Ed, but you are splitting hairs. The BBC is generally biased towards the left. Even it’s management admits it.

  • Ben Cobley

    The mainstream liberal-left is elitist – a view from a liberal-lefty:

    http://afreeleftblog.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/on-political-immigration-and-chantal.html

    • sfin

      Thanks for the link.
      I have, for some time now, been searching online for a rational political argument from a left wing perspective (i.e. one that didn’t descend to: personal abuse, denial of historical fact, or censorship) and, at first glance, at last this may be it!
      I shall bookmark it and hope to share ideas and, no doubt, cross swords in the future.

      • Fencesitter

        Re bookmarking, have you tried Pocket?

      • Ben Cobley

        Thanks sfin – much appreciated – and I also look forward to crossing swords in the future.

  • crosscop

    When British politicians stand in front of the TV cameras and tell bare-faced lies in defence of Islam after Muslims have murdered a British soldier on the streets of London – and one ( Clegg) even misquotes a verse from the Koran to deceive the nation – it might be expected that the BBC would point out the deception. They didn’t, of course.

    • bwims

      “it might be expected…” only from an impartial broadcaster.

  • laurence

    The BBC simply rehearses the same metropolitan, group-think, quasi-liberalism that it shares with The Guardian, Channel 4, government ministers and so forth. They inhabit the same social milieu, attend the same parties, holiday in the same locations. This so called ‘elite’ is simply a self-contained, incestuous, cross-pollinating cabal who from the leafier burroughs of London tell the rest of us what our thought processes, mores, and attitudes ought to be.

    • greggf

      In other words laurence, the Ruling Tribe.

      • Fencesitter

        Who largely inhabit the north London “golden crescent” that Rod Liddle wrote about in this magazine some seven years ago now.

      • Pip

        Not for much longer.

  • tjamesjones

    Good article. The welfare state is in fact the biggest problem with mass immigration – it’s much easier to have one without the other, for obvious reasons.

  • keith

    i checked the date, its not April the 1st, the BBC not biased, just say those words in your head, now stop laughing, i repeat its not April the 1st

    • Chris

      Sick of these journalists whizzing on our head and telling us its raining.

  • MikeF

    Socialists think they are morally and intellectually superior to people who aren’t – hence by definition ‘left-wing’ opinions are ‘elitist’. As for ‘globalism’ vs ‘parochialism’ that is nonsense. All the guff about ‘open borders’, ‘multi-culturalism’ and ‘anti-racism’ is simply high-sounding camouflage for motives that are immediate and sectarian – the example cited by sarahsmith illustrates the point perfectly. There is no more ‘racist’ ideology than socialist ‘anti-racism’.

    • Chris

      Slight of hand.
      Only white people can be racist. That’s a “fact” to the left.
      They therefore label racism against white people as “anti-racism”
      the average person does not realize this slight of hand, and equates “anti-racism” with not being racist.
      In the confusion they run riot with the racial assault.

      • Fergus Pickering

        I am racist. Everybody is racist. We prefer what we know and we are suspicious of what we don’t know. Would I vote for a black or a muslim MP? Good God, of course I wouldn’t. Would you?

        • sarahsmith232

          Sorry Fergus dear but I’m going to have to contradict you. I think you’re right to be automatically hostile about voting for a non-white MP but, sorry dear, I wonder whether you’re right about the reasons.
          You write that it’s ’cause you don’t know them. I presume by that you mean that they can’t communicate the same kind of values and customs that we all pick up on without thinking when around white English. If they’ve grown up in large immigrant communities, then they don’t communicate like us, not only do they not do it’s a point of pride for them to not do, so there’s no one on the Left that can criticise that point.
          The only reason stating ‘I wouldn’t vote for someone that’s black or Asian because I’m white and English’ is considered unacceptable is ’cause of how limited the Left’s contact with 90% of people in this country is, so how limited their ability to understand this society is.
          This is taking me too long, so i’ll just a quick e.g. Did some helping out at the last election, was on the doorstep in an area that is now majority non-white. I spoke to an old man, 83yr old, on his own, left isolated by the effects of Labour’s immigration policies, v.angry,v.vocal about his rage (quite rightly). He was great, aggressively, loudly, unapologetically un-PC. One of the things he said was ‘Why should I have to ****ing vote for a ****ing foreigner’. He was right, he shouldn’t. In this area the immigrant community will only vote for their own and enact policies that only benefit their own. Those policies arm harmful to everyone else, not something they could particularly care less about.
          So is a person that says ‘I’ll not vote for them’ a shockingly disgusting racist or only right? The Left should not get to continue to be able to contain this whole discussion about immigration and it’s effects within what they have set out as it’s acceptable boundaries. They have no ability to be able to set it’s boundaries. The only reason why they automatically consider it unacceptably racist to say what Fergus said is ’cause they don’t know very much, simple as that. They are not very aware people. They would need to have listened to people like the ones I came across on the doorstep and heard their stories to more aware, that’s not something any of them are interested in, it might result in them having to take a good hard look at themselves, they’re not going to like the results of that.

          • Fergus Pickering

            I think I agree with all of this. I was speaking for myself and I KNOW that most white people feel the same way, though they won’t say so… yet!

            • Chris

              I do. Drives everyone mad.

              F*ck “internationalists” “liberals” and all other assorted scum seeking to turn us into a nation of androgynous Islam compliant bien pensants.

              • Fergus Pickering

                Well, that’s two of us.

            • sarahsmith232

              I started to waffle too much, so I prob’ didn’t explain myself. But yes, I think I was basically trying to say, you know, say it loud, say it proud, I wouldn’t vote for a black or Asian Labour MP ’cause of their failings, not mine. I would say you don’t need to try and excuse yourself, you don’t have to try and say ‘it’s because i’m a racist’.
              If that Labour party one Sadiq Khan was my MP I wouldn’t vote for him, same deal with Dianne Abbott. This is because they are Asian and black. They are the Labour parties type of Asian and black – white hating hypocrites.
              My saying ‘I wouldn’t for them’ is not evidence of my failings it’s evidence of theirs.So that’s all I was trying to say, we don’t have anything to apologise for, we don’t need to excuse it or state ‘I’m a racist’. I’d more rather go with ‘I wouldn’t vote for them because I’m white and nowhere near stupid enough to not be aware of their dodo’s explanation for their hatred, ignorance and prejudice’.

          • John Clegg

            Sarah dear, It’s a well known fact that I’ve got the attention span of a gnat. Any chance of slightly less wordie posts?

            • sarahsmith232

              LOL, I know, I need to stop waffling.

              • John Clegg

                Thanks for taking my slightly ungracious comments in such good spirits, I agree however, with everything you post.

        • dmitri the impostor

          A sagacious post, Fergus. Now quake – quake! – before my genius.

          There was an old poet called Fergus
          Who laid down the law like Lycurgus.
          But he was so weird
          With a chive in his beard
          That his ways were ascribed to Asperger’s.

          • Fergus Pickering

            Well done, Dmitri. Asperger’s won’t quite do but this is much better. You have to TAKE PAINS. May I recommend to you a book of limericks by Jeff Chaucer aka the great Bob Conquest. He shows you by example how it is done.Limericks are not written by ignorant workers, but by educated men.

  • Eyesee

    You have thought about it too much. They are just Marxist in outlook. They don’t like debate, they instruct not investigate and they censor. All straight out of 1984. The BBC is certainly run by elitists because that is how they see themselves and it is why they brook no argument. They are right about everything they bend a thought to and so should tell others what to do, for their benefit. And they pay themselves like they are a special class, an elite and yet it isn’t based on anything. Like any good capitalist they have spotted a monopoly and they milk it. What makes them left wing is that they deny it.

  • Druth

    Yet more metro-elite pseudo intellectual waffle. A slight of hand which tries to explain away the propaganda which we simple minded folk recognise as out right bias by an attempt to redefine the terms and then over-analysis what’s actually going on. Keep telling it like it is Ed.

    • Chris

      Spot on. They try and give you so much information through waffle and slight of hand that you can’t see the wood for the trees.

      Trouble is, we can. Ed seems Common Purpose to me.

  • sarahsmith232

    Just another quick question. Was thinking the other day, with all of this business that the Left loves to do about how to deal with the deficit, they seem to have their one favourite solution – get out magic wand and wave about a bit. But of course, their preferred old fav’ is the taxing of the rich. There seems to be quite a lot of people on the Left under the illusion that this country actually has some. But we don’t.
    There’s only 6 to 8 thousand people that earn 1 million, there’s only 305,000 that earn over £150,000 in this country. The rest are all members of the international rich and only ever flit in and out, the either don’t earn their money here or only earn a bit of here. They don’t need to be here and will skoot the second anyone in Labour tries to go after them with sky high taxes.
    Then a thought occurred, I wonder who are all these 6 to 8 thousand that earning a million, what kind of work is it that’s paying someone £150,000. Well, our creative industries have been steaming ahead over the last 10yrs, so presumably have become a large employer. Of course, which is going to be the largest employer of all in this industry, ‘course, it’s going to be the BBC. We also know exactly what it is all these deeply committed to the welfarist, redistributive cause has been getting up to when they are earning £150,000 py, so that would be getting up to every type of tax-avoiding scam going to get out of contributing a penny.
    The creative industries have become quite a dominant part of our economy, so it really isn’t as daft sounding as it might first appear, really, I suspect that a large proportion of our handful of high earners are prob’ mainly BBC employees.
    So, I’ll get to the point, what is the actual number? Just how many of this countries handful of high earners are the card carrying, Labour supporting, tax-avoiding BBC lot? Really, has to be about a good 40%, if not more. So I would say, are they really Left-wing, ha! They’re until those policies can hurt them. ‘Bout time Labour was called out on the tax the rich thing as well, ’bout time they got a ‘you mean start making the one and only section of this society that is rich, your BBC pals, cough up?.

    • keith

      a question they wont answer truthfully is how much money the “stars” are paid the national audit office are not allowed to see that part of the BBC budget as they hide behind the ” it is commercially sensitive”, again they forget who supplies them with the money to pay their “commercially sensitive” salaries.
      but as we all know the public are the last people the BBC are there to serve

  • sarahsmith232

    Just a quick question for Ed West – don’t suppose you know who was the Labour P.O.S that the book you reference wrote that when in the 90s it was known that the priority needs system in Tower Hamlets meant that Bangladeshi’s were always able to get ahead of the local white population with social housing, ‘causing the young to have to leave the area and the old to be left isolated, a Labour MP said ‘Well, they’re all racist and they vote Tory’. In the book they quote him but leave the name out. Any idea which P.O.S that was? Is the P.O.S still lurking about?
    Thanks.

    • Chris

      Probably does. Probably broadly in agreement with him/her.

  • sfin

    “On immigration the BBC simply holds the elite view…”

    The point is that the BBC, as a publicly funded broadcaster, shouldn’t hold ANY view – save that of the public at large.
    When a topic becomes politically impossible to debate (thanks to Heath’s reaction to a certain Powell speech!) but still occupies the minds of the electorate, then it should be for the media (and especially the BBC) to force that debate amongst the political class.

    That the BBC hasn’t done so implies a sympathy more with the prevailing political consensus and less with the concerns of the licence fee payer.

    In short – the BBC should be renamed The Establishment Broadcasting Service. Born of left wing political thinking at Oxbridge, it is yet another reason why we no longer live in a democracy.

    • Chris

      Nothing Elitist about being wrong on all counts either. Liberal, tolerant multiculturalists are the thickest people going. Too stupid to see they are basically part of a cult.

      • Pip

        Socialism seems to attract the same weak minded, naïve and gullible types as Religion and Cults do. The Problem is these type of people are usually incapable of comprehending the reality, seeing the World as they would like it to be not in fact how it is.

    • Pip

      The BBC is clearly left wing, attempting to excuse their dishonest Political biased by calling them Elitist wont save them from the inevitable. Blair placed left wingers in high positions in the BBC as part of the big plan, it was all intentional. Now the BBC is partially funded by the EU which is contrary to its Royal Charter. We will now witness the Establishment attemt to defend the BBC with more contrived excuses. Too late….

      • sfin

        Some good points – but I don’t think Ed West is talking nonsense. He is right to say that the BBC holds the elitist view. How on Earth, for example can an impartial, funded directly from licence fee payer, state broadcaster have the likes of Chris Patten as its chairman of the board of governors – a man whose (substantial) EU pension is dependant on him continuing to promote the aims of the EU (and if that, in itself, isn’t a sinister enough argument for withdrawal, I don’t know what is!). The left is entrenched in our establishment save for some sections of the independent media (the Guardian, for example, is still subsidised by the tax payer). ‘Intellectuals’ like Hobsbawm and Milliband Snr won and, like most left wingers, they argued from a moral standpoint – i.e. if you disagree then you are immoral, or at best amoral – a cornerstone of fascism says I!
        Still, it’s all grist to UKIPs mill…

    • John Clegg

      Your last sentence sums up all that’s wrong with the BBC

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