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PMQs sketch: Miliband begins to run out of arguments

22 January 2014

22 January 2014

Syria overshadowed PMQs today. The chamber was quiet and sombre. And both leaders were clearly about to do their world-statesman bit. Ed Miliband rose to his feet with an air of ineffable goodness. He looked like St Peter on his way to donate the dead Judas’s sandals to a charity shop.

He asked about Britain’s readiness to accept Syrian refugees in accordance with a UN directive.

Britain, said Cameron, is already the second largest donor to Syria. And the crisis can’t be solved by few hundred refugee placements. Miliband used two more questions to press the case for ‘orphans who had lost both parents.’ Cameron said he was prepared to ‘listen to the arguments’.

‘I feel we are gradually inching forward on this issue,’ said Miliband. And he allowed himself a little smile of fatigue and contempt. It said a lot, that smile. It affirmed the Labour view that Cameron’s moral turpitude is an ongoing calamity which can only be remedied by a general mobilisation of Britain’s most high-minded and progressive citizens. They’re all Labour supporters, of course. And it’s to them that Miliband is appealing more and more.

He treated the economy in the same lofty way. When he spoke he wore a look of magnificent scorn tempered with long-suffering pity. But his woes are deepening as the recovery takes hold. He’s like a dad who’s been given a sick puppy for Christmas and who keeps praying that the damn thing will curl up and die in the airing cupboard. But it’s started bouncing around all over the furniture. And the kids love it. And it’s making him look like a killjoy.

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Miliband was forced to welcome today’s fall in unemployment. This triggered a small frenzy of Tory jeers. Miliband stood his ground and stared back, trying to look impassive. But the small jeers turned into massive ones so he retreated to his comfort-zone which is co-extensive with the moral high ground, ‘Just braying like that doesn’t do anyone any good,’ he said in his bored-teacher voice.

He claimed that Cameron had given lazy millionaires a bonus while stealing £1600 from toiling mums and dads.

Distortion, countered Cameron. The figure of £1600 excludes the rises in tax thresholds.

Next Miliband went for another headline-grabber. He claimed that 13 million of us are living in poverty. How did the prime minister explain that? Cameron omitted to point the finger at the draughtsman who put the Poverty Line in the wrong place. Britain has the richest paupers in the world. There are Nikes, iPods, wide-screen TVs and buckets of fried chicken in every household. Hospitals, dentists, schools and pensions are available to everyone. It’s amazing we can face penury on this scale with such cheerful stoicism.

Instead Cameron accused Labour of creating the biggest slump in 100 years. And he wondered why Miliband is always moaning about crises he personally authored.

‘He’s like an arsonist who starts fire after fire and complains that the fire brigade aren’t putting them out fast enough.’

The prime minister, scolded Miliband, had no understanding of ordinary people. ‘The Bullingdon club routine,’ he called it. It appears that Cameron’s membership of a dressing-up society for insecure twerps can still be treated as proof of his allegiance with Satan. Really, you’d be forgiven for thinking that Mr Cameron spent his gap-year working as a volunteer prison guard on Robben Island.

Miliband is running out of arguments. And today his attack boiled down to this.

‘Ok, rich-boy, you fixed the economy but I’m a still a better person than you.’


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  • McRobbie

    Give credit where credit is due…concentrating on cost of living as a dividing issue is clever…sneaky clever but clever. Even in good times we always wanted more (thats why many of us are in so much dept) so of course cost of living will ALWAYS be an issue, we want more for less. However the point about the affluence of our society is well made, I’ve lived abroad and for sure no one in the UK is poverty stricken unless by choice. My choice of government comes down to which party is going to treat me more as an individual free to make choices…millionaire marxist millie will never offer more freedom to the plebs, he is the ultimate nanny stater who knows what is best for us all…he thinks he knows, you better know!.

  • scampy1

    There is no way the British people are going to put Bean and Balls up in downing street and the labour party must look to the honest broker Darling before it is too late.

    • 2trueblue

      Oh Darling, Would that be the chap who ran off and gave money to the EU when we had our own crisis?

  • Wessex Man

    So one posh out of touch know nothing git flattens another not so but nearly posh out of touch git in the cesspit that this once proud Parliament has become and we get headlines about it?

  • Sir Trev Skint MP

    The only effective opposition to the present government is the BBC. And like her majesty’s official opposition we all fund them too.

    • Two Bob

      Apart from when Labour were in power – the BBC were the mouthpiece to the government….

      • Sir Trev Skint MP

        The BBC during the Blair years were Campbell and Mandelson’s plaything. Under Brown there was nothing they could do to further their Marxist/Fabian cause as the Maximum Imbecile was constantly exasperating their cause.

  • ablanche

    Re: telemachus the remora who just keeps on dominating and degrading the btl here. Just ignore him as I will whatever he says. Its Dolly for gods sake. Remember him. Third rate graduate of the dark lords school of winning the argument ; you are doing his work for him by responding and what he needs is a lifeline. He is tragic and you are worse.

  • ohforheavensake

    Except that nobody, even the Governor of the BoE, thinks that the economy is fixed. Unemployment is down and GDP is growing: but wages are shrinking, productivity is low, and bank investment is going down.

    The OBR called this a cyclical recovery, rather than a structural recovery; what’s driving the improvement, at the moment, is rising debt. That’s not good.

  • HookesLaw

    Trying to imply we are not doing enough on Syria is pathetic coming from opportunist Miliband.
    Perhaps Cameron should have trumped Miliband and offered to accept ‘orphans’ who have only lost one parent.

    • southerner

      They all do it Hooke (opportunism). But you are right about Millimetre.

      With the Lib Dumbs imploding and UKIP holding firm he is still going to stroll into number 10 though. The only consolation will be if Cameron is forced onto his sword and the conservatives decide to become conservatives.

  • Ron Todd

    ‘Lazy millionaires’ I bet a lot of them worked a lot harder that our three rich party leaders to get where they are.

  • Matthew 88

    That is the Labour pitch in one: it doesn’t matter that our solutions don’t work very well because we are good people and you are bad people and we know that we are good people and you are bad people case because we say so.

    • Nicholas chuzzlewit

      No, that is a definition of socialism.

  • anyfool

    orphans who had lost both parents, says Red Ed.
    Miliband is the most disgusting man ever to be installed as Labour leader, there is no depths he will not plumb to present himself as a saint, that he could consider using children in a way implying that they could be brought here without any family with them is beyond belief, he would compound their grief and devastation by snatching them from their current environment, where they at least have some family anchors and place them at the tender mercies of local authorities thousands of miles from home.
    That his Labour clones in the social services have effectively made orphans out of lots of children in the UK by dint of snatching children for adoption on the very flimsiest of grounds, is something that this craven wretch should be addressing and not using children from a war zone as cannon fodder against Cameron.

    • Holly

      The only think this nasty piece of work forgot and that was the bogus ‘furrowed brow’.
      Why anyone would want to make, already traumatised children, travel miles from their country, to somewhere completely alien to them, that speaks a foriegn language, is a puzzle to me.
      Surely there are countries a heck of a lot nearer, that speak the same language, with people willing to foster these children.

      Miliband is the lowest of the low.
      Why?
      He is utterly bogus.

      • anyfool

        He like all in the Labour party do not care a fig about anyone, that they could dump the working class as they did during the Blair years,” that was the effect of importing third world immigrants to undercut their wages ” because some had the temerity to vote for Thatcher is a true reflection of their base moral standards.
        They also gained in that they created a new core vote at the same time upped benefits to keep the ex workers in hock to them.
        Now they are flailing around screeching the damage that they visited on this country is the Tories fault, judging by the polling their destruction of the education system seems to have worked.

    • fozz

      ‘Miliband is the most disgusting man ever to be installed as Labour leader’ There’s stiff competition for that ‘accolade’.

  • RavenRandom

    Oddly Miliband isn’t a better person. Unless political fratricide is a virtue. Unless being consistently wrong is a virtue. Unless wanting to return to the kind of government policies of the 70s is a virtue.

  • Chris lancashire

    Unsurprising that Miliband-Balls are running out of arguments – they’ve been wrong on every major economic issue. Hence Miliband’s new found interest in Syria.

    • telemachus

      But they are not wrong on the cost of living
      Even I, comfortably off see the ongoing rise in the staples of life
      Milk
      Bread
      Meat
      Shoes
      I gladly do not need to worry but the mother struggling on minimum wages has to choose between a square meal and a birthday present for her five year old
      *
      Evans sneers at the Bullingdon comment but ordinary folk understand that this is code for the posh boys crowing at the economic plaudits from the media types and not really caring that those at the bottom cannot put enough food on the table

      • HookesLaw

        There is no cost of living crisis, disposable incomes are up.
        Workers have sensibly chosen wage restraint to keep their jobs which has sustained numbers in work and indeed sustained the economy. Judging by what Miliband says he wants to rip wage inflation. .

        • telemachus

          Are you blind or stupid
          Disposable income may be higher but costs are higher still
          The poor not only feel poorer but more and more need to go in hock to Wonga
          This is Osborne’s England
          And they hate him for crowing about the so called economic indicators

          • HJ777

            Yes, it’s a pity that the collapse of the Brown credit boom caused incomes to fall for so many. That’s always what happens when you rely on a credit boom to generate unsustainable GDP growth – it always ends in tears (and pain for the most vulnerable).

          • HookesLaw

            Ch4 factcheck confirm that households saw their incomes grow faster than inflation last year.
            We should also note the IFS point (whichLabour do not quote) –
            ‘To the extent that it is better for individuals to stay in work, albeit with lower wages, than to become unemployed, the long-term consequences
            of this recession in terms of labour market performance may be less severe than following the high unemployment recessions of the 1980s and 1990s’
            The IFS also say that –
            ‘average real hourly wages have fallen more for workers at the top end of the income distribution at the bottom, meaning earnings inequality has stagnated or fallen slightly’

            • telemachus

              Mattereth not what the stats say
              The poor are not keeping up with the cost of living
              And also the feel poorer

              • Colonel Mustard

                This site feels poorer for your constant harassment and inane comments.

                • telemachus

                  More bullying

                • Colonel Mustard

                  You bully commentators in almost every thread. It is almost impossible to read a top comment here without you having tagged it with some unwanted, interventionist tripe. That’s bullying.

                • Andy

                  Fascist headquarters send him here for that reason.

                • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                  Stratospheric hypocrisy.

                • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                  Agreed. We are fools to let that swine ruin all sensible debate but it is impossible to simply allow his dissembling to remain unchallenged. All requests to have this odious creep banned seem to fall on deaf ears.

              • Fergus Pickering

                Mattereth not what the stats say. Mattereth not what reality is like.

          • 2trueblue

            Well how many have these fancy phones and other gadgets?

      • Nicholas chuzzlewit

        Tagged dishonest tripe.

        • telemachus

          Heed Chuz heed
          Keep crowing and you will fall further

          • Colonel Mustard

            You are the one who does the most crowing here – and “trumpeting”. You are the one that crows about the outcome of next year’s GE.

            I hope you fall flat on your face, you muppet.

        • HJ777

          It’s nowhere near tripe quality.

          More like excrement.

          • telemachus

            If you were bottom of the heap,you might understand

            • HJ777

              Intellectually, you are bottom of the heap, which is why you don’t understand.

              • telemachus

                Socialists my child
                Understand
                Care
                And Act
                *
                Go do likewise

                • HJ777

                  Socialists do their caring with other people’s money, never their own.

                  Ed Balls and his wife certainly cared and acted in order to line their pockets with taxpayer’s money by cynically exploiting the rules on claiming for second homes.

                  Remind me which party every MP jailed for fiddling parliamentary expenses was a member of?

                • telemachus

                  The whole expenses scandal was characterised by the ridiculous duck house of Peter Viggers
                  And his reprehensible attempts to justify it

                • HJ777

                  But obviously the ‘caring’ socialists were worse since only they ended up in jail.

                • telemachus

                  The moral turpitude is the same

                • HJ777

                  No, it’s worse, because many socialists claim to be more caring and less selfish yet, in reality, they are not only greedy but also have little respect for the law.

                  It’s the hypocrisy, you see.

                • telemachus

                  Criminal and morally repugnant individuals are found in all walks of life
                  The point is that the Labour chaps have at least tried to help the less fortunate

                • HJ777

                  If you define the likes of Ed Balls and his wife as the ‘less fortunate’, that’s true.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  The Viggers duck house was characterised by Labour and the BBC as the whole expenses scandal because he was a Tory whereas the Labour record was far worse. And huge hypocrisy attached to their crimes too.

                • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                  And yet it is Labour MPs who are going to prison for fraud rather than foolish and greedy excesses committed by the MPs. Of other parties. Arrogant criminals like McShane failed even to show remorse when sentenced. But that is Labour for you. Any crime is permissible because the cause is so pure.

      • Holly

        Milk(4 pint carton)£1
        Bread(good brand) £1(cheap 58p)
        Block butter £1 or(same weight) tub Anchor £2
        Eggs (6 large)£1 (6 medium) 99p
        Meat 3 for £10. beef, pork, chicken, turkey.
        Shoes £4 & Boots £26
        12 sausages(good brand) £1.25
        Biscuits(custard creams, bourbon creams, choc/plain digestives etc 29p)
        Food from MOST supermarkets around here are EXACTLY the same as they were three years ago, and with stores like Primark & supermarkets clothes & shoes are not out of anyone’s financial reach either.
        Why would anyone…including children, need shoes every week?

        • telemachus

          Your figures need nothing
          A standard Aldi’s basket costs £10..32 more now than it did in 2004
          And as a consequence 17% of the staples needed by the bottom 10% are not being bought
          This is felt deeply
          Go to Nechells and learn

          • HJ777

            Labour were in power for six of the ten years since 2004.

            There are now many more Aldi and LIDL stores and they are considerably cheaper than other supermarkets, hence many of us have seen our food (and other) bills go down.

            • telemachus

              You are correct but in that time Gordon rescued us from the US banking crisis and got us back to growth until Osborne choked it off by criminally stopping capital investment on accession delaying the welcome return to decent growth by 3 years

              • HookesLaw

                There was no US banking crisis to be rescued from. There was a British banking crisis involing them taking on board junk loans and bad debts which defaulted. Brown designed to regulation system which totally failed to spot and stop it.
                Such rescue as there was comprised buying billions of pounds of worthless bank shares with borrowed taxpayers money.
                Now that the time has come to sell those shares we find Miliband going round undermining the value of the banks.

                But still, since europhile Labour are refusing to offer a EU referendum and no one on their right minds wants to let labour in we should be spared him as PM and see a tory victory in 2015.

                • telemachus

                  Read the history of the American subprime and the reprehensible way the US sucked in all the world banks
                  *
                  Then read how Gordon saved the banks

                • HookesLaw

                  Hillarious.
                  British and European banks bought up sub prime loans and the genius of Brown’s regulatory system allowed them.

                  The G7 and IMF reacted to the crisis.
                  Now Miliband is undermining bank value at just the time we want to sell them.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  Where do I read where Gordon saved the banks? I seem to have missed it.

                • telemachus

                  About a year after the near meltdown of the global financial system in the autumn of 2008, BBC2 ran a three-part documentary on the subject. One after another, European and American politicians, bankers and other members of the global elite lined up to pay tribute to the starring role that Gordon Brown had played in averting catastrophe. “Why is this a secret?” I remember thinking at the time. “How come foreigners know about this and we don’t?”

                • Fergus Pickering

                  Ah, the global elite. You mean the oTHER ones who screwed up.

          • Holly

            Why not ‘educate’ me then, my fellow Yorkshire bod, and give us a clue how to get to this Nechells?

            Aldi was not here in 2004, and if my calculations are correct Three from 14 = 11, so as a weekly shopper…since 20011 (2010 in reality as we are only in January) my weekly shopping has NOT risen by a penny.

            Oh I forgot…
            Bag carrots £1
            Bag sprouts £1
            Broccoli 70p(for two)
            Bag 12 Yorkshire puddings £1.
            If some people would ditch the processed, microwave junk and cooked from scratch (30 minutes start to finish) their food bill would go down.

            • telemachus

              You post does not make sense
              Focus not on Nechells only
              Go down to Longsight or Toer Hamlets and listen to the heart wrenching tales of deprivation

              • Holly

                How many are Labour run?
                How long was Labour in government??
                A position where they could have done something other than keep them downtrodden.

                And it was you who mentioned Nechells.
                How many times do you go to Longsight & Tower Hamlets?
                I thought you were up in Yorkshire????

                Furrowed brow alert!
                Heart wrenching???

                • 2trueblue

                  You are right, child poverty grew under Liebore in their 13yrs, as did teen pregnacies, teen unemployment, etc. And they spent all the money doing it.

        • Chris lancashire

          He doesn’t like facts. Particularly as most currently don’t fit his prejudices.

          • telemachus

            You may quibble the details
            The fact is that the poor are worse off
            While those fortunate enough to earn more than £100,000 have their 5% tax reduction to cushion them
            *
            Do not lecture me on prejudice

            • Chris lancashire

              I can tell that “prejudice” struck a nerve.

              • telemachus

                My prejudice is the prejudice of the reasonable
                The prejudice that wishes a more equitable share of the national resources
                And fair opportunities for the poor

                • Chris lancashire

                  OK here are a couple more facts to deal with. This tax cut for those over £100k means that for the last 4 years these people have paid more tax than for 12 years under Labour.
                  Second fact, the top 1 percent of earners pay 30 percent of income tax. How much fairer would you like it to be?

                • Colonel Mustard

                  The left have always trampled their way to power on the heads of the poor.

                • HJ777

                  So as that rules out voting Labour, who will you be supporting?

            • flaxdoctor

              Fair point. Not much point lecturing the blindly prejudiced about prejudice, after all.

            • Holly

              Which is HIGHER than it ever was under Labour.
              The 50p hike was Bozo’s final act of desperation.

            • 2trueblue

              Ah but the devil is in the detail.

      • HJ777

        It’s called the “cost-of-living crisis” – get it right or the Labour Party hard men will pay you a re-education visit.

        By the way, a LIDL opened near me a couple of years ago, so the cost of most essentials has gone down.

        • telemachus

          Fine for you
          But the folk in Nechells who have to use the same Netto and Aldi are in queer street
          What would you say when your five year old says “but mummy you can get a loan from Wonga”

          • HJ777

            You mean the families existing on less than 40% of median income, the number of which increased under Labour, despite record public spending?

            Those folk?

            • telemachus

              So what is Osborne doing for these?

              • HJ777

                Rapidly raising personal allowances so that those on minimum wage pay less (or no) tax on their meagre earnings.

                That’s in contrast to Gordon Brown who doubled the rate of income tax on low paid people. Brown did this because he’s a socialist and so, of course, despised such people who were trying to earn their own living rather than becoming dependent on his latest benefits whim.

                • HookesLaw

                  Brown played politics with the low paid – as part of a stunt to promote himself he removed the 10p tax band he introduced as part of a previous stunt to promote himself.
                  In between he sold our gold at the bottom of the market. I guess we should not be too hard on him on that as he was following Balls’ advice.

                • HJ777

                  You’re correct. Both the introduction of the 10p tax band and its abolition were gimmicks.

                  He could have helped the low paid more easily and more effectively by simply raising tax allowances (as the current government has done). Abolishing the 10p rate without raising personal allowances to compensate (just so he could shave a small amount off the standard rate in a parliamentary stunt) specifically hurt the low paid.

                  These facts tell you all you need to know about Brown’s attitude to the low paid – he only cared about them so far as it brought him political advantage. Otherwise, he held them in contempt.

      • David Kay

        milk is £1 for 4 pints in iceland. bread is a pound a loaf, you get a huge rump steak for 3 quid that can feed 2 people, clothes are cheap as chips

        god* bless capitalism and the free market

        * God for da gramma nazis out der innit

        • telemachus

          I guess that says all that the poor find obnoxious about Osborne
          He does not understand
          He does not care

          • David Kay

            comrad telemachus, if you think the products you listed were expensive, when contrary to the evidence theyre not, i can only presume you copied and pasted that statement from some socialist propaganda web site. obviously, you dont have a clue about shopping because your missus does it.

            maggies akbar not allah

            • telemachus

              On the contrary I share the weekly shop at Sainsbury’s
              That does not stop me caring about those who cannot afford the bus fare to get there

              • David Kay

                well i have to agree with you on that one regarding the cost of public transport. I havnt used it for years, mainly because of the risk of muslims wanting to kill me, so i drive me car.

                however, during the xmas break i decided to get the bus into town, which was over £4 return for about a 6 mile round trip. never again will i pay that, so i’ll stick to the car until theres more competition that will drive the price down

                • Fergus Pickering

                  Oh it’s the SHOP you are talking bout. I’ve never been there, supposing it to be for chavs.

                • David Kay

                  stick to the netto fergus, more of your class

              • Chris lancashire

                I wish you’d shop a bit more at Sainsburys – my shares aren’t doing well.

                • telemachus

                  I wish the poor could afford to go there and then your shares would do even better

                • Chris lancashire

                  Yes I know. Trouble is Aldi and Lidl, being German owned aren’t quoted on the LSE and, being patriotic, I don’t invest in foreign equities.

                • rubyduck

                  The point of being poor is not being able to afford things.

              • Fergus Pickering

                Sainsburys? Don’t you have a Lidl?

              • rubyduck

                Nobody can afford bus fares.

        • Fergus Pickering

          You off to Iceland then? Wrap up well.

      • Fergus Pickering

        I am managing to keep myself in meat, bread, milk and shoes. How are you doing?

      • DWWolds

        Doesn’t it occur to your that the cost of milk, bread and meat are dependent on whether or not we have good growing conditions and a good harvest.? In the past two years we did.

    • HookesLaw

      Is Miliband flatlining?

      • Chris lancashire

        Oh yes, I’d forgotten “flatlining”. It went in the same bin as “triple dip recession” and “cutting too far too fast”. Soon to be joined by “cost of living crisis”.

        • telemachus

          A comment for the issues
          Like all modern organisations Labour moves on

          • Chris lancashire

            It has to; it keeps getting it wrong.

            • telemachus

              No
              Like any opposition it does not set the agenda
              But it reacts magnificently

              • Chris lancashire

                That’s a fairly moronic non-comment. What’s up, truth hurting?

                • telemachus

                  When we set the agenda in 16 short months we will give you lasting sound bites

                • Colonel Mustard

                  When you set the agenda it will be disastrous for the country as always.

                  Muppets the lot of you. Lying muppets too.

                • telemachus

                  The agenda will begin to redress the increasing inequality visited on us by this dreadful coalition

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Whenever Labour ‘redresses’ anything then inequality increases.

                  All you do is boast and dissemble.

                • telemachus

                  d Miliband’s commitment today to set out concrete policy steps in this next year is certainly needed.   But the really essential point is that they must deal with the fundamentals, given how dire and precarious the state of Britain has now descended into.   The worry is that both the main parties are now fixated on symbols which, though important in themselves, are not central to the current pressing concerns of most of the general public.   The Tory party has impaled itself once again on the EU question, as though withdrawal from Europe were somehow a panacea for the cure of Britain’s woes – an idea so fanciful, whatever one thinks about the EU, as to be risible.   The Labour party has adopted the theme of ‘One Nation Britain which certainly draws on the injustice and hurt of profound inequality, but gives very little sense of the huge structural transformation that is needed if both national and individual prosperity is to be restored.   Above all, sheltering beneath a popular and heart-warming slogan cannot be a substitute for confronting the profound failures that are daily pulling down Britain….

                • Colonel Mustard

                  A cut and paste ‘quote’ (wthout quotation marks and unattributed) from Michael Meacher MP, another Labour goon:-

                  http://www.michaelmeacher.info/weblog/2012/12/what-ed-miliband-needs-to-spell-out-in-2013/

                  Here’s one about him instead of from him:-

                  “OLDHAM MPs claimed almost £300,000 in expenses between them during the last parliamentary year. New figures released by the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (IPSA) showed Ashton LABOUR MP David Heyes, whose constituency includes Failsworth and Hollinwood, claimed the most overall between May, 2010, and the end of March, 2011.

                  He claimed £131,226.90 in total which was closely followed by Michael Meacher, LABOUR MP for Oldham West and Royton, with £130,215.21. Debbie Abrahams, LABOUR, who was voted into the Oldham East and Saddleworth MP seat on January 14 following Oldham’s historic by-election, claimed £22,756.78.

                  The highest individual payout went to Mr Meacher, LABOUR, who claimed £105,478.19 on staffing costs.

                  But the IPSA, which administers and regulates MPs’ expenses, refused to reimburse two train ticket claims by Mr Meacher LABOUR totalling £87.40.”

                  So his concern for injustice does not appear to extend to thinking twice about ripping off taxpayers. Some ‘caring’ that.

                  F***ing hypocrites the lot of you. Nasty lying hypocrites.

                • telemachus

                  Apologies
                  Using my iPad and could not get back in to write after pasting
                  Hence the d
                  Meacher is a role model of caring

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Yeah, caring about lining his own pockets by the look of it.

                • HookesLaw

                  You can afford an iPad?

                • Chris lancashire

                  You forgot add that the paragon of the Left wing, Meacher, owns seven properties.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  But I am sure they are slum properties stuffed to the gunwales with poor people.

                • gcowks

                  Thanks Colonel, I was scratching my head as to why tele had, for the first time, presented a detailed, balanced case, bordering on ‘analysis’, as opposed to a 10-word jibe at whomever he was replying to.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  I say. That’s a lot of words. In sentences too. Well done, lad. Now you just have to inject some sort of sense into the mix and you’re away.

                • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                  Sadly they are the words of Michael Meacher. A little more coherent than Tele could manage but every bit as deluded and dishonest

                • Fergus Pickering

                  I might have known

                • First L

                  D Miliband? Who he?

                  Oh yes, the guy that E Miliband stabbed over and over and over again.

                  But E Miliband tells us that he is a good person. So that’s alright then.

                • 2trueblue

                  He has to tell us because no one else will!

                • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                  More unattributed plagiarism from Michael Meacher this time. He of the property portfolio and master of hypocrisy as I recall.

                • kyalami

                  Words = English.
                  Meaning = 0.

                • HJ777

                  The figures clearly show that income inequality has gone down under this government.

                  I presume that’s what you’re upset about.

                • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                  And will last about 18 months until, once again, the IMF has to step in and rescue Britain from the insanity and dishonesty of Labour the party of lies, lying and filthy unprincipled liars.

                • DWWolds

                  It won’t last 18 months.

                • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                  Sadly, you are absolutely correct. I simply wished to avoid depressing people excessively.

                • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                  Sorry that should have read people!

                • Chris lancashire

                  Well that’s all Labour did in government.

                • telemachus

                  Come on
                  Did you feel prosperous in 2004?
                  Do you benefit from the pall in orthopaedic waiting lists from 5 years to 5 weeks

                • Chris lancashire

                  Answers: no and my knees are OK.

                • telemachus

                  Well I know we felt truly rich in 2004
                  And had confidence that we would soon again in 2010
                  Until Osborne triggered the double dip

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Tripe.

                • Chris lancashire

                  Well we didn’t feel truly rich in 2008, 2009 and 2010. Why wasn’t Labour taxing the rich at 50 percent then?

                • telemachus

                  They were in 2010

                • Chris lancashire

                  So how about 2008 and 2009? Or, for that matter, 1997 to 2009?

                • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                  Yes another piece of cynicism from the filthy rogue Brown who decided policy for political reasons not for the good of a country he so clearly hates.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Good question well put.

                  Gordon Brown was also the malevolent idiot who abolished the 10p tax rate in 2008. No manufactured BBC outrage over that one.

                  http://conservativehome.blogs.com/centreright/2008/04/the-other-victi.html

                • First L

                  What Double Dip? Or are you mixing your Reggae Reggae Sauce with Lea and Perrins again?

                  You know that stuff makes you hallucinate.

                • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                  That is purely and simply a lie. There was no double dip recession as proved by the ONS.

                • HookesLaw

                  If money was spent wisely why did Brown propose to make 20 billion of savings in the NHS budget in his 2010 manifesto (written by Miliband)?

                • telemachus

                  Fiscal prudency in the face of Lehman

                • Fergus Pickering

                  No and no.

                • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                  No I felt thoroughly depressed that the country I love was in the hands of two charlatans fighting like weasels in a sack for the right to destroy Britain. It was obvious to anybody with a grasp of economics that with house prices exploding, manufacturing industry closing and bank lending heading for the stratosphere that this was an illusion built on a frightening credit bubble. The only matter open for debate was when will this bubble burst? It duly burst in 2007/8 with the first banking collapses in nearly 150 years. The present government has been dealing with the resultant structural deficit and economic contraction ever since. And all because the biggest scumbag every to blight British public (Gordon Brown) thought he was infallible and could keep spending imaginary money forever.

                • kyalami

                  Thank God that the agenda you set won’t be the government one.

                • HookesLaw

                  Come on… its not moronic for someone aged 10.

                • telemachus

                  Evervyouthful
                  Jealous?

              • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                With an endless stream of lies.

          • Two Bob

            Two Labour councillors have been suspended by the party and a police investigation has started over alleged comments made on Facebook.

            Naseem Ayub, who was also a prospective MEP candidate, and her husband Mohammad Ayub were suspended before Christmas.

            Bedfordshire Police said officers were investigating potential offences under the Computer Misuse Act and Malicious Communications Act.

            These cover the sending of malicious messages and/or inciting racial hatred.

            Is that your idea of moving on?

          • HookesLaw

            The Times reports…
            ‘Ed Miliband has alienated himself from Britain’s blue-chip companies and is risking the recovery by developing irrational and unpredictable policies, senior business figures have warned.’
            ‘Speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, one chief executive of a FTSE 100 company said: “Ed Miliband doesn’t give a toss about business. He will say anything to get elected. [We] think it’s economic vandalism.”’
            ‘Business leaders do not accept Mr Miliband’s argument that he is attempting to create greater competition in dysfunctional markets, and say the moves are cheap populist hits likely to deter long-term investment from Britain and drive up costs for consumers.’
            ‘One senior FTSE company executive, who has been a member of the Labour Party for two decades, quit last week “because of [Mr Miliband’s] intellectual Marxism”.’

          • Fergus Pickering

            With great and increasing speed if they have any sense. Warp speed might do it. There must be a planet somewhere were Millibugs rule.

        • HookesLaw

          Is the current performance of the Speaker a straw in the wind? Apparantly he is letting Labour flounder and not favouring them as he once did. Perhaps he has worked out there may be a majority to remove him after 2015…

          • 2trueblue

            That would be nice.

    • George_Arseborne

      Really? PMQ has Zero impact on Electorate. Why are the Tories not gaining electoral grounds then especially on good GDP and employment figures? No one cares about those figures because it does no trickle down, not now and not in the nearest future. There is a cost of living crisis. Milliband is on the right side of the arguement not those economic figures. Why is that immigrant in Downing Street? Lynton Dodgy Crosby Clown?

      • RavenRandom

        Sad.

      • Chris lancashire

        I agree with you that PMQs has zero impact on the general public. This piece wasn’t about that; it’s about Miliband’s lack of an economic argument. I don’t agree there is a cost of living “crisis” but real wages have declined – it began in 2007. Funny there wasn’t a “crisis” in 2008, 2009, or 2010.

      • telemachus

        Quite
        The media hacks like to think it important
        Whe ordinary folk are bothered about the rising price of food

        • Roderick

          As a self-proclaimed member of the well-off, why are you not investing (copyright: G Brown) your excess wealth on the ordinary folk of [insert name of obscure village]?

          Surely it would be hypocritical for a caring person such as yourself just to stand by and complain..

          • telemachus

            Empty gestures do not help the bulk of the population
            I would rather all of my ilk paid 5% extra tax to help all

            • Roderick

              I assume that you understand how tax bands work. Raising the top rate of tax by 5% does not equate to a 5% rise in the effective tax rate.

              A propos, do look up the Laffer Curve and reflect on the folly of your prejudices.

            • Nicholas chuzzlewit

              You are not and never will be a 40% taxpayer let alone a 45% taxpayer so spare us all the disingenuous rubbish

            • DWWolds

              Well, why didn’t they pay that 5% extra tax for 12 years and 11 months under Labour?

    • Lussac

      Trouble is the client state don’t listen or know about these failures. As far as they are concerned it’s a red rosette so we must vote for it and I’d say the majority of those wouldn’t know what you were talking about anyway.

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