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Is the startling rise in Muslim infants as positive as the Times suggests?

10 January 2014

10 January 2014

Today’s Times has a lovely example of positive spin.  The headline is: ‘Rise in Muslim birth rate as families ‘feel British’. The story which gives rise to this headline is that:

‘Almost a tenth of babies and toddlers in England and Wales are Muslim, a breakdown of census figures shows. 

‘The percentage of Muslims among the under-fives is almost twice as high as in the general population. In an indication of the extent to which birth rate is changing the UK’s religious demographic, fewer than one in 200 people over 85 is Muslim. 

‘One expert said it was foreseeable that Muslims who worshipped would outnumber practising Christians.’ 

Incidentally – I have previously written about this story here and here.

I suppose that The Times should be congratulated for reporting at all a fact which most of our media  refuse to touch.  The majority still go along with an ‘expert’ quoted in the Times story who warns that ‘the one-in-ten birthrate statistic could “generate alarmism”.’

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There are certainly a lot of people who go along with that line of thinking. Something big may be happening, and people can see it is happening, but best not to mention it in case people are ‘alarmed’. Elsewhere in the piece there is an account from Batley in West Yorkshire of how the growing young Muslim population there has led to ‘pubs, hospitals, houses and public buildings’ being turned into ‘Muslim private schools, madrassas, mosques and a Sharia court to satisfy rising demand from families.’

But it is interesting that even with these and similar stories the Times decided that it has to give a happy ending positive headline spin – with Muslim families allegedly feeling increasingly British. What is the source of this claim? Since the headline as a whole consists of a verifiable fact, drawn from the 2011 census and then this claim, surely it must be something solid?

Well no, the idea that the increasing Muslim population is feeling increasingly British is simply an opinion voiced by Sheikh Ibrahim Mogra, the assistant secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain. He doesn’t seem to see the large increase in the Muslim population of the UK as posing any particular challenges and is quoted saying: ‘I just wouldn’t want our fellow citizens to be alarmed by an increase in number… This generation is very much British. They feel very much this is their home.’

All of which nicely demonstrates part of the pickle this country is in. Even the papers that will report on one of the biggest underlying stories of our time, and one which demonstrates an unprecedented change in the make-up of our country, must on all accounts be turned into a good news story. And since expressing any worries about the fact is undoubtedly terribly bigoted and nasty, we’ll all just have to nod our heads, keep our fingers crossed, mouth the same platitudes and all put our collective future in the hopes of Sheikh Mogra.


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  • Marie Shanahan

    I pray for Britain. I hope you do get up and take a stand. It’s one thing if they immigrate, get good jobs and help the economy, but it sounds like many of them are not. Do you think they will start to deport people? Change the rules that unless they are gainfully employed, they must leave? Sounds reasonably, effective..

  • dazy Juno

    Muslims bring no culture with them, only religion. Muslim private schools, mosques, madrasas & sharia courts. That’s it. That is literally all they have to offer. Islam keeps Muslims in the stone age. Anyone who disagrees with that is obviously the type who is offended by facts. This is, after all, a people who believe Muhammad literally split the moon in half & that Muhammad flew to heaven on a flying donkey. Their minds are extremely limited.

  • StephanieJCW

    I mean ok Mr Murray – you are very ‘worried’ about the Muslim birthrate. What do you suggest is done about it?

  • StephanieJCW


    Is the startling rise in Muslim infants as positive as the Times suggests?”

    What an utterly hideous headline

  • chris heath

    If the boot was on the other foot, in a Muslim country, like Saudi , there would be no problem – deny the immigrants, the right own anything, practice their religion, build churches, vote, and give them no benefits. Perhaps we should ‘ do unto others, as they themselves do’.

    • Daniel Maris

      We should certainly follow the peaceful, democratic Swiss and ban minaretinvasion. If the Saudis were to allow free association of Christians and allow the building of churches, we could have a rethink.

  • Daniel Maris

    For anyone who has claimed I and others have been alarmist about the nature of Sharia in the UK – take it up with the Chief Inspector of Constabulary (from the Daily Mail):

    “Parts of the UK are becoming no-go areas for police because minority
    communities are operating their own justice systems, according to the
    Chief Inspector of Constabulary.

    The rise in ‘community justice’ means crimes as serious as murder and
    sexual abuse are going unreported – a situation reminiscent of Belfast
    in the height of the Troubles.

    Tom Winsor said police officers were simply never called to some
    neighbourhoods, where law-abiding people rather than criminals
    administer their own form of justice[.]

    He said: ‘There are some communities born under other skies who will
    not involve the police at all. I am reluctant to name the communities in
    question, but there are communities from other cultures who would
    prefer to police themselves.

    ‘There are cities in the Midlands where the police never go because
    they are never called. They never hear of any trouble because the
    community deals with that on its own.

    ‘It’s not that the police are afraid to go into these areas or don’t
    want to go into those areas,’ he said. ‘But if the police don’t get
    calls for help then, of course, they won’t know what’s going on.’ “

  • Tanks-a-lot

    Read up on the real history of Vlad Tepes. When the time comes every non-muslim man woman and child will have to have the ability to do what Vlad did to stop being killed off by the cancerous muslim enemy of all Kuffar that are merely building their armies now.

  • Toby Guise

    Or, to put it another way, they are bound to feel ‘British’ and that that ‘this is their home’ for the simple fact that Britain, and particularly in the areas you cite, is becoming more Muslim. The amazing sleight of hand is this article is not just that is being presented as ‘good news’; it is that lack of integration is being dressed up as integration and fed back to the readership as a success.

    • Daniel Maris

      Yes, it’s dishonest but it’s the only way the issue can be raised this day.

  • Marketthinker

    i suspect that limiting child benefit and particularly the child working tax credit to 2 children would help significantly. Allah will provide has been corrupted to the kafir will provide…

  • voidist

    well labour will love all those potential voters…….

  • RaymondDance

    It’s called ‘the policy of the womb’.

  • Mustafa Qwik-wun

    Startling? What planet have you been on.

  • James Lovelace

    Muslims will dominate Parliament long before they are a majority of the population. Muslims are (officially) only 35% of the population of Tower Hamlets. Yet they have 65% of the councillors, and the Mayor is muslim, and his entire “Cabinet” are muslims.

    In 30 years, muslims will have that control over Britain. Muslims will not vote for a non-muslim if they can vote for a muslim, but a large number of us civilised people do not subscribe to such tribal/fascist loyalties. That is how 35% of muslims in Tower Hamlets can control the entire area.

    • Daniel Maris

      This is a very important point.

    • Porphyrogenitos

      Well you were correct about Tower Hamlets.

    • bramhall

      I have checked your information and found it to be correct. IF Muslims will have a large local majority in a big city such as Birmingham I believe that they will use this to their maximum advantage and this may happen in several cities in the not too distant future. There may well be a Muslim majority in the whole country due to major demographic changes by 2070. They may well be a majority of MP’s who are Muslim and who form a government which is largely Muslim.
      I ask myself what would be the effect on the country. At the moment Islam guides all Muslim majority countries, apart from Turkey and Albania, to the extent that Sharia law is implemented in a range from moderate to extreme. My feeling is that, if Britain ever finds itself likely to be in this situation, then our long established indigenous population would have to question whether democracy and universal suffrage would still serve us well.

  • John Smith

    Its the same in most European countries
    How to breed your way into power
    More than one way to overcome the infidel . .

  • Max Byalistock

    On reading this stuff I can’t but feel an immense sense of frustration
    and somewhat fear. So Muslims are not feeling British humm? Maybe that’s
    the reason why the hide in ghettos, impose their absolute Pre- Historic
    ways on a free society and multiply to conquer. At a time when we
    witness a frightening increase in ant Semitic feelings, we can’t even
    reason out how insane that is. The Jews are the most adapted minority in
    this nation and the world owes then a debt of immeasurable gratitude
    from the fields of arts, finance, research, invention and discovery to
    the fields of humanism. Many STILL regard them as the enemy in spite of
    the atrocious events of WWII, but fail to see that the REAL enemy wears
    burqas and veils. Not as a piece of Muslim garb, but a piece of anti
    Christian, anti British and anti Secular spite; a false demonstration of
    fake purity and fake chastity. They were given haven from oppression,
    hatred, persecution, war, misery, hunger, destruction and chaos but
    ended
    up hating the country which gave them a second chance and re-enacting
    all the things they ran away from. Forget North Korea, viruses,
    epidemics
    and nuclear war; Islam is the greatest enemy of progress, science,
    advancement of human knowledge, cohesion, integration and concord.
    British tolerance has now crossed the threshold of stupidity. Unless
    this sickening proliferation is checked or controlled we are corralled
    into the Middle Ages, but this obnoxious ideology. I can’t call it religion
    because that would be an insult to reason. And I’m a devoted Atheist.
    It’s time for Britain and Europe as it happens, to wake up. Max

    • Donafugata

      Well said, Max.

      The thing I find hard to take is that the Nazis persecuted the Jews on the pretext that they were Bolsheviks who wanted world domination.
      This was an excuse to justify racism but they persuaded many to believe it.

      Alas, now that Muslims really are aiming for world domination but the stupid European politicians, perhaps due to holocaust guilt, are allowing the nightmare to take place.

      Sweden, a nominally neutral country in WW2 is now spending lavishly on supporting vast numbers go Muslim immigrants who show their gratitude by rioting and wrecking the place. More seriously, Jewish people of Malmo are being driven out because the immigrants are terrorising them.

      Personally, I would like to see Europe expunged by repatriation of the entire Muslim population.

      • Max Byalistock

        When I came to England 35 years ago, I strongly believed in the
        movement of people. I believed that wherever I landed, that would be my
        home. I also believed if I stayed, I would try to respect, integrate and
        enhance the country that gave me sanctuary. Alas, Muslims look at it
        differently, for they come with instructions from their Imams and their
        elders, to settle, to encroach, to multiply to demand, to change the
        society which welcomed them and finally to conquer. They are the
        marauders of the 20/21st centuries, carrying with them the Dark Ages of
        bigotry, ignorance, superstition, weakness and fear of a nonexistent god
        which they worship and who, in their minds will reward slaughter with
        heaven and virgins. (I wonder what that says about their respect for their
        wives who bore them children and put up with the sexual slavery they
        were doomed into). We are the INFIDELS, yet, there is almost nothing they
        do without that which the infidels invented, created, discovered,
        developed, researched and advanced. I’m not a Jew, but every day of my
        life I pay, in thought, homage to the Jewish people to whom WE ALL owe a
        gratitude we’ll never be able to pay. Around 18 million Jews worldwide
        and 127 Nobel Prizes (still counting…). All of them in fields which
        advanced human kind to this date. Over 1.5 billion Muslims and 7 Nobel
        Prizes (ALL of them as tokens, not true rewards). I think that tells the
        story. This subspecies has contributed NOTHING to the betterment of
        human kind in over a thousand years, yet they conquer through our
        tolerance, acquiescence, idleness, incompetence and utter stupidity.
        They treat their women like slaves, they brainwash their children in
        madrassas and behave in a way which makes Neanderthal men look like
        intellectuals. Maybe Muslims are just unhappy people trapped within the most violent and senseless ideology the World has EVER known. Perhaps if they sat down, ate a nice rack of spare ribs, some bacon and eggs downed with some serious glasses of Chablis, they would find peace and stopped their crass existence in its tracks. Then they could embark on a voyage of normality. We, the awakened ones, have the obligation to press our
        governments to act because I have prognosticated for years, that within a decade or just over, Christians, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists
        and Atheists will have to join forces to get this Muslim
        disease out of Europe. That would the homage we pay to those who lost their lives in
        Two World Wars, instead of pissing on their graves and disregarding
        their ultimate sacrifice.

  • Max Byalistock

    On reading this stuff I can’t but feel an immense sense of frustration
    and somewhat fear. So Muslims are not feeling British humm? Maybe that’s
    the reason why the hide in ghettos, impose their absolute Pre- Historic
    ways on a free society and multiply to conquer. At a time when we
    witness a frightening increase in ant Semitic feelings, we can’t even
    reason out how insane that is. The Jews are the most adapted minority in
    this nation and the world owes then a debt of immeasurable gratitude
    from the fields of arts, finance, research, invention and discovery to
    the fields of humanism. Many STILL regard them as the enemy in spite of
    the atrocious events of WWII, but fail to see that the REAL enemy wears
    burqas and veils. Not as a piece of Muslim garb, but a piece of anti
    Christian, anti British and anti Secular spite; a false demonstration of
    fake purity and fake chastity. They were given haven from oppression,
    hatred, persecution, war, misery, hunger, destruction and chaos but
    ended up hating the country which gave them a second chance and re-enacting all the things they ran away from. Forget North Korea, viruses, epidemics
    and nuclear war; Islam is the greatest enemy of progress, science,
    advancement of human knowledge, cohesion, integration and concord.
    British tolerance has not crossed the threshold of stupidity. Unless
    this sickening proliferation is checked or controlled we are corralled
    into the Middle Ages, but this obnoxious ideology. I can’t call religion
    because that would be an insult to reason. And I’m a devoted Atheist.
    It’s time for Britain and Europe as it happens, to wake up. Max

  • Leslie Welch

    We are constantly told by muslims that they will take over the UK, looks like this will be done by 2050, another islamic state, what new name will be give to the UK?

    • Daniel Maris

      I think the original would be conquerors of northern Europe called it “the Great Land”. I guess the UK would just be a province of the “Great Land”. The Koran specifically set its sights on Al Rum – Rome of course.

  • DBarry

    This, of course, is why we’re allowed to talk about immigration from E Europe. It’s a safety valve, and keeps us well away from the real issues.

    • outraged

      Perhaps the other reason its because Muslims are fervently opposed to the immigration from Eastern Europe. They are given huge portion of airtime too!

  • William Haworth

    And in 25 years the proportion will be 25%. Who will defend us against Islamist terrorism, when 10% of the available recruits are Muslims? What homeland is there to which Christian British people can go, when this country has been changed irrevocably?

  • David Prentice

    Licking their lips in anticipation like the wolves they are. Has any society in history actually paid their ideological enemies to scive, breed and thrive in their midst?

    • William Haworth

      The Romano-British did it with the Saxons. Look how well that turned out.

      • Daniel Maris

        I think you might be getting confused with the Danes.

        • William Haworth

          No mate, Hengist and Horsa were invited onto the Isle of Thanet to help defend Vortigern’s kingdom. They brought over so many of their friends that the locals couldn’t control them. Eventually the Saxons invited Vortigern and his leadership group to a feast, and killed all except the British king. Hence Essex, Middlesex and Sussex.

          • Daniel Maris

            But that was poor military judgement not a subvention.

  • Martin Jennerson

    “This generation is very much British. They feel very much this is their home.”

    Means they’ll feel entitled to take it over. But don’t expect the dopey liberals in the media/political class to realise that, god they’re useless.

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