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Class war at PMQs leaves Labour in better heart

29 January 2014

1:58 PM

29 January 2014

1:58 PM

It was back to business as usual at PMQs today. Gone was Miliband’s effort to raise the tone, which Cameron ruthlessly exploited last week, to be replaced by an old-fashioned, ding-dong with a bit of class war thrown in. The result: Labour MPs leaving the chamber in far better heart than they did last week.

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Miliband started with a question on Syrian refugees. But then it was straight onto 50p tax. Miliband, with ample vocal support from this own benches, goaded Cameron about whether he’d rule out cutting the top rate again to 40p. Cameron tried to dodge the question and gave some rather meandering answers. I understand that the reason for him and Osborne refusing to rule out a cut to 40p is that they think that if they did this, they’d instantly be asked if they’ll rule it out for the next parliament too.

Cameron’s response to Miliband showed where the Tories think Labour are weak. Cameron branded them a ‘risk to jobs, a risk to the recovery and a risk to Britain’s security.’ The Tories, heavily influenced by Lynton Crosby’s polling, want to make Labour risk versus Tory security one of their main dividing lines in 2015. They also want to brand Labour as ‘anti-business.’ The Tory leadership are convinced that business is prepared to come out and attack Labour ahead of the next election in a way that they haven’t been prepared to do for a generation.

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  • Terry Field

    What poor little country, obsessed by mean-spirited class hatred.
    SO pleased that I left.
    How are the cloth caps and TopHats???
    More Bollie anyone?????

  • Steve781

    As for Tory security, if they believe in that so much then why have they reduced our armed forces to their lowest level since the 18th century while giving African dictators a top up on their Swiss bank accounts.

  • Steve781

    I,m not a socialist but the Labour Party is supposed to be a socialist party. Why do you want them back in the wishy washy centre which will cause every other party to follow them.

    • Terry Field

      It is not ‘supposed’ to be anything
      It is anything that gathers votes, and if that is from the slobocracy, then so much the better.

  • HookesLaw

    There is absolutley nothing new in this.
    Labour always play the Class War card. Always.
    labour will tax more Labour will spend more Labour will borrow more Labpur will lie more. The word to cover all this is of course. ‘socialism’.

    I despise people who conspire to deliver a socialist govt. At least Carswell seems to have woken up.

    • Mynydd

      Do you not realise that Mr Cameron/Osborne borrowing millions every day.

      • DWWolds

        And do you not realise that they are having to do so because of the debt accruing from the £180bn deficit Labour left behind?

  • DavidL

    If Labour think that raising taxes is a vote winner, they truly are heading for oblivion. The last time they tried that was John Smith’s “Shadow Budget” in 1992, which handed a most unlikely victory to John Major. Keep it up, Eds!

    • Mynydd

      What about the Conservative rise in VAT to 20% was this a vote winner?

      • DavidL

        They weren’t so foolish as to put it in their election manifesto. All Governments have to raise some taxes some time – particularly when their predecessors have bankrupted the nation. But only a foolish party positions itself as the party of high taxation.

        • Mynydd

          So they deceived the voters.

      • HookesLaw

        The LDs wanted tax rises and what we have in case you have been asleep is a coalition.
        We also have tax cuts which were not in the tory manifesto. The rise in VAT gives opportunity for further direct tax cuts once Labour’s massive deficit is paid off.

        • Mynydd

          The Lib Dems are there because Mr Cameron failed to win an overall majority. We know the tax cuts 50% down to 45% for those earning over £150,000

  • saffrin

    I’d be more impressed if we elected a government that would do away with the EU’s dreaded VAT than any party advocating nailing people to the floor even harder than they already are.

    Cameron and Milliband can play the opposition game for all they’re worth as far as I’m concerned, they’ll still not stop me voting for the only real opposition party when the time comes.
    UKIP all the way.

  • swatnan

    Good stuff from Ed at PMQ’s. That 40p attack is a winner. Osborne has goofed.
    Boris Johson wants it cut even more to 30p. Dave lost it today.

  • Ruth

    It was 40p for all the years Labour were in power with the 2 clowns opposite supporting it. What utter rank hypocrisy.

    • Mynydd

      Following the world wide recession and therefore the increase in deficit Mr Brown/Darling reviewed the tax regime and decided to increase the tax for those earning over £120,000 to help with its reduction. It must have been a sound principle because Mr Cameron/Osborne supported it then and continued for the following 3 years.

    • telemachus

      You very well know the point
      The Lehman crisis made the hike to 50% reasonable
      The grouse is that Osborne reduced it for his rich friends at the same time he made draconian cuts in benefits for the poor and disabled while presiding over a mammoth rise in the cost of living making all but his rich friends poorer still
      Do not cry hypocrisy in the face of this cruel cruel man

      • Timmo111

        It was labour that started cutting back benefits for the disabled (atos) long before the crash whilst at the same time those nasty millionaires such as the milibands were only paying 40p top rate of tax. I dont remember any one in labour shouting out to up the 40p tax rate then instead of attacking the sick and disabled do you ?

        • telemachus

          I think in relation to your 40% point the hike was fiscally prudent after the US subprime recession

          • Timmo111

            And what about labours choice to get atos involved when there was loads of cash about ?

        • Mynydd

          So is Mr Cameron telling a lie when he says Labour are against all benefit cuts?

          • Timmo111

            Labour are against benefits cuts only because they are in opposition and as always trying to score political points. All that is happening now was started by labour long before the crash also odd bod had abolished boom and bust so there was plenty of spare cash about. Now as young liam said in his hilarious letter there is no money left so tough choices have to be made.

      • Paddy

        I’m looking forward to seeing Balls’s face on election night.

        I think you may need a straight-jacket!

        • telemachus

          I cannot wait either
          Glee
          Pure Glee

  • Ruth

    Ruth. It was 40p for all the yrs Labour were in power- with the same 2 clowns sitting opposite, supporting it. The rank hypocrisy is puke-making.

    • George_Arseborne

      What was going through Cameron’s head when he supported the 50p stuff in 2010. Very poor way of responding to Labours move. Weak , weak Tories , ideological vacuum.

    • telemachus

      The cruel cruel man is the one quite literally making the poor sick
      And then having them queue in Ambulances and on trolleys for hours before a hard pressed tyro doctor can see them

      • saffrin

        That will be Bliar and Brown then. Spent all the money when the country had money to spare without thinking for a moment to train adequate numbers of medical staff for the NHS.
        No doubt something to do with Labour’s conspiracy to infest the country with even more Indian’s and blacks.

        • telemachus

          This comment should be removed

          • saffrin

            What the one about Bliar being a lying self serving war criminal or the one about Brown being a true imbecile?

      • Jock

        It’s time Cameron was brought to book for the despicable cruelty which resulted in the death of hundreds at Mid Staffs NHS Trust et al. Oh wait -he wasn’t n power then. Still – never mind the facts, get on with the the stereo-typing.

        • telemachus

          Burnham discovered it and instituted an inquiry

          • saffrin

            Would that be the same Burnham, Andy Burnham, Labour MP, ex Minister of Health, that conspired with NHS staff to systematically murder sick patients in their beds by way of the Liverpool Pathway?

      • Paddy

        Labour must be in melt-down……..all the commi. trolls on here since Balls made his speech at the weekend.

        • telemachus

          On the contrary
          We are as buoyant as they are complacent

    • Mynydd

      Why didn’t Mr Cameron/Osborne reduce the rate back to 40% in their first budget

  • Mynydd

    Mr Balls raised the topic on the Andrew Marr show on Sunday, then yesterday asked the question, will Mr Osborne rule out cutting the top rate again to 40p? Following his evasion, even I realised this signalled that Mr Miliband would also ask the same question at PMQs. Surely a Prime Minister on top of his job should have come up with an sharp answer instead of the same old waffle, not once but three times. The man has lost it.

    • GnosticBrian

      And on today’s Daily Politics labour shadow Treasury Minister Rachel Reeves showed that she didn’t know what “forestalling” means. Which is better – to have “lost it” or to have never had it in the first place?

      • George_Arseborne

        Distorted information. Young and beautiful Luciana Berger was on Daily Politics dealing with Con Man Richard Green Grant Shapps as they argued their corner. This again demonstrate how your facts are always wrong. Again on Syria refugee crisis, Ed Milliband has demonstrated his power of always telling what this government has to do. The real commander not flip flop , loud sounding nothing Cameron that do not have a grasps of ruling.
        Again Milliband clearly expose the Tories as a heartless Party aimed at destroying the British Soceity, to satisfy their rich chums. 50p will not change the status quo as projected by Cameron, Osborne,CBI and so called former Labour Ministers.

        Up Ed and hold your grounds Mr. Prime Minister, The Leader.

        • GnosticBrian

          If a 50p tax rate is such a good thing, why didn’t labour have it throughout their 13 years of misrule and neglect? Why only for the last few days after causing the biggest bust for a century? When it comes to rich chums – didn’t Peter Mandleson say that there was nothing whatsoever wrong in being “filthy rich”? Milliband himself is a millionaire – is he one of the “rich chums” bent on destroying soceity (sic)?

          • Mynydd

            If the 50% rate is such a bad thing why did Mr Cameron/Osborne impose it for 3 years.

            • GnosticBrian

              Why don’t you ask them if it bothers you so much? Plus I very much doubt that they could have got the Lib Dumbs to agree to early withdrawal.

        • Barakzai

          ‘ . . . Young and beautiful . . . ‘ Tut, tut how very un-progressive socialist of you. What will Hattie, Dianne and the Guardian feministas think of you?

        • Paddy

          “Young and beautiful Luciana Berger”.

          Give us a break…….she’s an “air-head”.

    • McRobbie

      Its just another millie gimmick..how can a PM answer with a yes or a no to an opposition question about tax cuts..he can’t, as he cannot allow himself and his government to be tied down in any way about such a critical matter related to encouraging investment and business. Well done milie and balls ..clever..not wise as we hope a potential government would be, but clever…in the nasty sense of the word… buts thats labour boom and bust, education education education all words and no action.
      I read that Lloyds are closing branches ..that’ll please millie as it’s in line with his latest policy gimmick.

      • Mynydd

        My point was that Mr Cameron did not have a strong reply at PMQs only waffle. It was not about the rights and wrongs of the tax rate. He is not on the top of his job.

        • Paddy

          So what! He’s better than your lot.

    • Hello

      Sorry? Labour have pledged to increase the top rate to 50p. The Conservatives have not. Why should the Conservatives be forced to make additional pledges on taxation just because it suits the divisive politics of the Labour party?

      • Mynydd

        Mr Cameron had three days to come up with well constructed reply. I would have said, tax rates are decided at each budget according to the economy conditions are the time, and not on some date that suits the opposition. Accept today Mr Cameron lost PMQs and therefore have given Labour a good poster.

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