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19 December 2013

1:06 PM

19 December 2013

1:06 PM

I’d just like to take this opportunity to say a big thank you to our heir to the throne, Prince Charles, for, as he put it, spending ‘twenty years’ trying to ‘build bridges between Islam and Christianity and (to) dispel ignorance and misunderstanding.’ Sadly, he has concluded that this noble endeavour was in vain and that Christians are being persecuted right, left and centre (or indeed wherever they are unfortunate enough to live in Muslim countries). Still, how kind of him to have tried.

The thought of Prince Charles dispelling ignorance on any topic, let alone this one, is a captivating one. He seems to have gone about this particular task principally by extolling the virtues of Islam, virtues which many of us pig-ignorant commoners were often a little dubious about. Of course Islam often held an attraction for some of our dumber toffs, who admired its authoritarianism, simplistic Manichean certainties and apparent manliness. Earlier British toffs also liked its inherent anti-semitism, although I would not accuse Chazza of that crime.

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  • VitaBrevis1

    The Nazis were also great admirers of the warlike qualities of Islam, not to mention its rabid anti semitism.

    The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a great uncle of Yasser Arafat, spent the war years in Berlin.

    Says it all, really.

  • Augustus

    Too little, too late!

    And there’s a precedent for what’s happening to Christians in the Middle East. Jews of the Arab-Muslim world from the pre-Christian era, with their rich heritage and long historical presence in ancient cities across the region, were compelled to leave lands conquered by Arabs in the name of Islam following the establishment of Israel in 1948. While Christians have been fleeing from their ancient homes, the West has been scandalously appeasing Islamist hegemonic doctrines. That is why the horrific stories from Sadad, Ma’loula, and Qalamoen haven’t been prime news, they only involve Christians, so not that important. That’s why you don’t hear much about priests being burned alive or decapitated, or women being strung up for not agreeing to gang rape, or school buses being attacked because children aren’t able to recite Koran verses properly. Not to mention the centuries-old museums and churches that are too threatening to Islam, and therefore must be burnt down. Those Western Christian politicians and church leaders who keep quiet about this religious sectarianism are complicit in these crimes, because ‘He who is silent is taken to agree.’

  • Ron Todd

    The BBC ten o’cock news has did lead with the report into Rochdale grooming gangs, but did so without giving any indication that the men involved were Muslim. Two contributors described the victims as ‘young women’

  • Terry Field

    He is a good man, and a great prince, but the reality of Islamic actions defeat all.

  • Perseus Slade

    Even Dhimmi Prince Charlie is slowly coming round to the fact that they are at war with us. Who`d have thought?

  • Daniel Maris

    Diana’s curse applies. He will never be King.

  • DougS

    Poor old PC – he hasn’t got a clue. Whether it’s Global Warming, GM crops, Islam or even architecture, he’d do more good if he just kept quiet.

    Long live HM Queen – very long, please!

    • Daniel Maris

      I must admit, while I had some sympathy with his architectural ideas, a visit to Poundbury persuaded me he doesn’t have a clue!

    • Terry Field

      He is correct on Global Warming, and he is correct on GM and has honestly tried to reconcile the culturally irreconcilable.
      Diana was stupid and wilful with a tiny touch of malice; I suspect he will be King, and will be much respected and valued.

      • Doggie Roussel

        And you talk about as much circular objects as he does.

        • Terry Field

          You have not constructed a sentence that can be understood.

      • Icebow

        I wonder whether he will take Charles III or George VII….

        • Terry Field

          I hope Charles the Third. I have a regard for the Stuart mind.

        • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

          I think it’s time we gave ‘George’ a rest. It’s an overworked name in the royal lineup, the new heir has it, and Charles has been Charles all his life so King Charles he should be!

          • Icebow

            Agreed.

      • Cornelius Bonkers

        Oh come on now Tel! Surely in trying to reconcile the irreconcilable our prince has shown his hand. Best he should stay home at Highgrove and dig his allotment and not do too much damage. Having said that, I can’t help having a soft spot for His Nuttiness, which would be endearing were it not so dangerous.

        • Terry Field

          He does what he can to cope with the inbuilt social instability that the insane post-war migration movements have visited on this once settled and more contented land.
          I know of no damage that he has done; he is a great Prince, and is from time to time melancholic, in the face of previously unimagined problems that threaten to overwhelm us all, you included.
          The hard competitive nature we use against each other, and ultimately against ourselves, compounded by our apparent inability to value the future as we value the present is fully encouraged by our dreadful political rabble-rousers. This Prince is different; he has courage to confront the mob; he acts to set a true but unpopular course.
          I greatly admire him.
          Please tell me what he does that endangers any man and any thing?

          • Cornelius Bonkers

            Yo Tel, You “greatly admire” him and I have a “soft spot” for him. I don’t think we are so far apart in all truth. But I think you have a bit of a rosy view of our “settled and contented land” and what a prince can do about it. I’d agree totally that conservative notions of social and political stability and stewardship have been almost totally wiped out – and for the worse. But I fail to see what his melancholia has to do with it. Having said that, he is a civilised human being in a world of chavs and half-wits; but I fear that train has left the station never to return in our lifetimes. Where he really scores is to promote eccentricity as a useful challenge to orthodoxy in a humourless and ugly world; especially in his championing of environmental stewardship and human-scale architecture. I enjoyed your comment; let’s do it again.

          • Cornelius Bonkers

            Tel, I think his problem is that his heart’s in the right place and in many ways he has been a leader in “thinking the unthinkable”. BUT, his eccentricity/realism is out of time (unfortunately) and looks like dopeyness. He makes himself and his causes hostages to fortune. His environmental work at Highgate is second to none and will be his real legacy along maybe with his defence of tradition in architecture…

      • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Nohourwastedinthesaddle

        My understanding of his position is that global warming is not only a present reality but man’s fault, in which case he is probably wrong on the first claim and even more probably wrong on the second. He also thinks that any ‘global’ warming is inherently harmful to life on Earth, on which point he is resoundingly wrong.

        • Terry Field

          It is only the mentally deficient, or those of twisted character that reject the evidence and the opinion of the greatest minds, and the greatest institutes who all clearly concur that it is real and it its man – caused.
          Which deficiency are you possessed of one , the other, or both.

          • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Nohourwastedinthesaddle

            Blimey, they really snowed you, didn’t they? I suppose you believe in the ‘97% of scientists’ a.k.a. the Doran Survey. Where to begin….? As for greatest minds, you mean like Al Gore? Give me a break!

            It is a simple incontestable fact that most life on Earth does better in slightly warmer temperatures than in slightly colder ones. I suppose you do understand that climate has always changed and always will?

  • mrsjosephinehydehartley

    Well I think HRH Charles is blessed with a rare kind of ability to coin a phrase ie turning what one knows, but cannot express easily into the common sense.

    For example: he once said some place was a ” conurbation of unmentionable awfulness “. I think he was talking about what’s happening to modern Mumbai..but what a lovely expression. It could and does apply to anything, I think.

  • Andy

    The murderers of Lee Rigby should be Sentenced to Death and hanged. They want ‘Sharia’, so they wont be afraid to meet the hangman. They are just scum.

    As to ‘Islam’ given that it persecutes Christianity (and all over religions) where it has the opportunity, even in supposedly secular Turkey (Fraser should go an interview Patriarch Bartholomew) perhaps it is time we regulated Islam in the UK. We should set up a committee to produce an ‘Authorised Version of the Koran’, all Mosques should be licensed and all Imams should also be licensed. Islam and Muslims in the UK seem to have been given far too much slack. No longer.

    • crosscop

      “They want Shariah, so they won’t be afraid to meet the hangman…”
      If Shariah was applied, they would walk free – because according to Islam they have done nothing wrong.

      • Andy

        That’s not my understanding of Sharia Law. Whether or not they ought to be hanged as murderers and traitors. And ‘May the Lord have mercy upon [their] souls’.

        • crosscop

          You’re not under the illusion that Islam finds something wrong with a jihadi killing a kuffar soldier, are you?

  • Agrippina

    Charles only thinks badly of the muslim oppressors in the Middle East not the ones over here. He continues dialogue with the leaders here and supports them in their endeavours to turn young men away (but not very successfully) from radicalism. He thinks muslims here are ok.

    He doesn’t have to worry about living amongst them, as he is protected, sadly Drummer Rigby had no such protection and was in amongst the wolves, just as the rest of us are. I wouldn’t put too much stall by his so called ‘enlightenment’ it is limited.

  • anotherjoeblogs

    Charlie looks like the white king who has found himself in checkmate in the pic.

    • http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

      He just needs a silly hat.

      • anotherjoeblogs

        Shah mat ( check mate ) persian for the king is dead. Hi gary from b.n.i. ?

        • http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

          And pC.

        • http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

          Oops. I don’t post to BNI as they don’t use Disqus.

  • Guest

    Future Monarch Get’s It Totally Wrong Shock?

    Highly doubtful. Our blessed current PoW has form, lots of form.

  • crosscop

    I suspect that Harry may have put his dad right about what is going on. Having served in Afghanistan and having admitted having killed Muslims there, the Prince must know that he is now a target for Muslims with the same mind set as those who killed Lee Rigby and will definitely not share the rose-tinted view of Islam that his father generally shows.

    That said, Charles still has a lot to learn. He talks of some ME Muslims having Christian friends and ignores the fact that the Koran repeatedly forbids Muslims from having Christians ( and Jews) as friends.

    And as for this –

    “an emphasis on love of our neighbours and doing to others as we would have them do to us are the ultimate foundations of truth, justice, compassion and human rights. Such profound wisdom is at the very heart of all three religions….”

    Absolute nonsense. Shariah and jihad are at the very heart of Islam and as for Islam’s love of “truth, justice, compassion and human rights”… well…I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

    • tompiper

      Although you are right but i’m sure you must also aware that Muslims very commonly do form friendships with those who are not of the faith. There are different reasons for this. Some enjoy displaying sinful sophistication at bars in western company.

      Others ‘befriend’ with a view to conversion. As a (former) longtime expatriate in three different Muslim countries I gained experience of approaches from both ends of the spectrum but was glad to escape from both, in these isles 0f toleration. [ 😉

      • crosscop

        I am aware of this. I read an article somewhere that “friendships” such as the ones you describe are Muslim Brotherhood policy and that women are particularly targeted.

        • Dhimmitude Ishere

          Women from Jemima Khan to tattoed slappers seem to be in thrall to the overtures of Muslim men particularly if they’ve got a swarthy complexion and flashing eyes. The relationships inevitably seem to end in tears but not until a couple of Ahmeds and Abdullahs have been produced to carry on the good work in the next generation.

          • http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

            You’ve noticed too? Diana nearly went down the same path before she got sidelined.

          • Sue Ward

            I blame those Fry’s Turkish Delight ads! Very exotic to us young gals of the 70s!

            • Fergus Pickering

              Naw! It’s the fault of Rudolf Valentino. And Fats Waller. I’m the Sheik of Araby!

    • Max07

      Doesn’t do-as-you-would-be-done-by have more to do with the Water Babies than anything else?

  • Baron

    Ironic, isn’t it, the vast majority of hoi polloi sense it, few of the more courageous journalists shout about it, the heir to the throne wakes up to it, yet the political class seem engrossingly blasé about it.

    What could the solution be?, Baron wonders.

    • Noa

      Butchers knives to be available for all visitors to the House of Commons?

      • Baron

        Well, the ballot box may do it, Noa, the ballot box, and soon for if there’s anything the silent majority dislikes more than anything else it’s the use of abhorrent violence in pursuit of a political goal, and one would be hard put to figure anything more sickening that what these two deluded thugs did, and how those in power reacted to it.

  • David Kay

    If Charlie boy every becomes king, he should follow in the foot steps of King Charles I

    • crosscop

      I’d rather he followed Richard the Lion Heart and called for a Crusade against Islam. Why, he could go down in history as the king who liberated London.

      • David Kay

        lol

  • zanzamander

    All he has done for twenty years is appease Islam in the meantime its followers have got more brutal and genocidal on non-Muslims.

    What would have happened if he had seen the light from day one (although whether he’s seen one even now is debatable). One thing is for sure, it certainly wouldn’t have been any worse than it is now. Could it?

  • In2minds

    Chuck, always always, part of the problem and never the solution.

  • Frank

    Rod, you have a surprising capacity to be both unpleasant and wrong at times. Would you do a much better job if you were in Charles’s shoes?

    • rodliddle

      No, Frank, I’d hobble, He’s a size nine.

      • Frank

        Cool, you also have the capacity to hit nail on head (at times) and Charles is a butterfly, so a waste of your talents!

  • http://www.thoughtsandrantings.com/ Thinking Americanist

    Ugh… didn’t know this man was a Jewish dog.

    • mightymark

      I think you’ll find “Chazza” is Yiddish for “pig” not dog.

  • John Lea

    Great photo! Are they discussing the size of Jordan’s melons?

    • In2minds

      No, more like the lack of windfarms in the region

    • http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

      I didn’t know they grew melons in Jordan.

  • Fencesitter

    Charles isn’t a bad stick, in many ways. Overall, I think he’s done a lot of good. His sons and his present wife redound to his credit. But where he falls down is in departing, or threatening to depart from, the excellent example set by his mother. What, for instance, was that “defender of faiths” line about? Hopefully, by the time he takes the throne, he will have had even more time to think better of that one.

    • Curnonsky

      C. Windsor is a bit slow but he does seem to get there in the end.

      • http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

        Does he still think he’s a tampon?

        • anotherjoeblogs

          like the hippy who rubbed the arabian lamp and when the jinn popped out he granted a wish, he wanted to be ‘ uptight,outta sight and in the groove ‘ and the jinn turned him into a tampon.

          • http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

            He also wanted to soak up the ambience.

            • Icebow

              Dracula’s teabag! Revisit comments, Cobber.

              • http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

                Why?

                • Icebow

                  Just above.

                • http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

                  Or below. Depends on your sort order preference.

                • Icebow

                  These shifting positions are an occupational hazard, I suppose.

                • http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

                  It’s a full time job just trying to keep track.

          • Icebow

            I replied to you and got the stupid message. I shall therefore repost it censoring the suspect word, so that neither you nor anyone else could possibly divine what I was trying to say:
            How these things vary! The version I heard involved a black man, who wished to be ‘white, and surrounded by p*ssy’ (who then thought: ‘I knew there’d be a string attached’).

            • http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

              He should have said No strings attached.

              • Icebow

                Nah.

                • http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

                  Why, not funny enough for you?

                • Icebow

                  How many have you met with more than one string, Bruce?

                • http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

                  There’s been the odd one with no sting attached. 😉

                • Icebow

                  No sting? Non-ouch!

                • http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

                  He said waspishly.

                • Icebow

                  Beehave.

                • http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

                  Oh, aren’t you all high and mighty all of a sudden. Who do you think you are, the Queen?

                • Icebow

                  Tee hee. I’ve personally destroyed two wasp nests, and had one sting on each occasion. Fair enough. All that work, but in my loft.

                • http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

                  One of the little blighters stung me in the thumb once when I was picking up some leaves. Hurt like heck.

    • Dhimmitude Ishere

      By the time Charles takes the throne (if he ever does), surely there will only be one faith to defend?

      • http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

        I don’t mind him taking to the throne. As long as he flushes afterwards. And, yes, that would be a royal flush.

    • http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

      He’s a dhimmi.

  • Daniel Maris

    The problem now is that we know so much about Islam. The bridge has been built…we can go over and take a good look at the world of Islam. Do we like what we see?

    I just heard Lee Rigby’s grieving parents claim he died for free speech. But sadly that is not the case. Neither this nor the last government allow us the freedom of speech to discuss Islam openly. To make any negative comment about it is to play Russian roulette with your own life and liberty – unless you are someone like a Spectator Coffee House columnist who has some licence.

    Things weren’t helped by Fraser Nelson putting up here a series of tendentious tweets about Lee Rigby’s murder having nothing to do with Islam and then immediately closing down comments so that no one could argue rationally against those claims – which are (do I need to add?) patently false.

    Both Rigby’s murderers were converts to Islam, and they carried the Koran into court. Before the murders they regularly attended Mosques. They are clearly acquainted with its scriptures and support the millions of Muslims around the world engaged in Jihad.

    Isn’t it time for Fraser Nelson to apologise?

    • Austin Barry

      Given the Rigsby verdict we’d better all brace ourselves for the “It’s nothing to do with Islam” tsunami from our elites and their fellow travellers.

      As for Charles, well, two cheers.

      • Cosmo

        If two BNP members were to beat to death a Muslim, I wonder if any conclusions would be drawn by the usual media outlets?

        • global city

          especially if their mems&arts demanded it of members

      • Austin Barry

        Oh, oh, it has started:

        From an hysterical Memphis Barker in the Independent:

        “It makes you want to scream. No, you murderer, Allah did not. Not one single Muslim in the country – except you two and your band of termite-hearted acolytes – would recognise or condone what you did as an act worthy of touching the word ‘Islam’.”

        • Hexhamgeezer

          OK moderators, I’l replace h*ll with heck…

          That’s one heck of a nom-de-plume ‘Memphis Barker’.
          ‘Not one single Muslim..etc etc’ I suggest young ‘Memphis’ gets himself out a bit more.

          Lke E10/17.

          • Sean L

            Eh?? What about E1, E2, E3, E14, E7, E15 E6. . .

          • John Kinory

            Well, what else would someone writing in that disgusting rag be if not hysterical and and ignorant?

        • Daniel Maris

          Memphis Burka perhaps?

          • http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

            The one in Egypt? Although the one in the US is probably seeing a few now too.

          • Doggie Roussel

            Just Berk suffices, I think…

        • Perseus Slade

          Memphis is off his rocker.

        • John Kinory

          It’s “a hysterical”. We are not in France.

    • Noa

      Herewith a letter I have sent to my MP.

      Dear Sir,

      I am writing to you, both as my Member of Parliament…to seek your support in obtaining the early release of Royal Marine Sgt Alexander Blackman
      (Marine Soldier A), following his recent conviction for murder whilst on
      active service in Afghanistan.

      Whilst the conviction is supported by the bare facts contained in the
      Prosecution’s case, there are several disturbing aspects concerning the
      trial. Indeed in some ways it parallels the Dreyfuss case, which raised
      significant political and moral issues in 19th century France.

      That a case was ever brought at all is a matter for concern, given
      that the act resulting in his conviction occurred on active servicem during a
      prolonged campaign. Whether the application of the criminal law is
      appropriate in such circumstances is a matter for further, deeper
      deliberation elsewhere .

      However It is difficult to escape the impression, given that the incident in question occurred over two years ago, that the timing of the trial and conviction of Sergeant Blackman was more than mere happenstance, that it was indeed deliberately chosen.

      It has conveniently enabled the authorities to deliver a ‘guilty’ verdict on a British soldier, shortly before the major trial of the two defendants for the religiously motivated hate murder of Drummer Rigby in Woolwich. In doing so this conviction materially supports the standard response now always provided to the general public, (in this case first by Mr Cameron himself, followed by Mr Johnson, the Mayor of London), in all cases of terrorist acts.

      To be clear, the narrative presented to the public, in this case and in all such incidents, is as follows: in the first instance there is a radical dis-association of ‘real’ Islam and its followers from their co-religionist killers by politicians, the police and authorities and various muslim organisations. This articulates a defence against an ‘unjust’ response of the non-muslim majority society to the act or acts of ‘untypical’ muslim extremists and killers. In doing so this
      mis-representation of fact seeks to deny the majority, non-muslim society of
      seeing itself as the true victim of terrorism. It does so by enabling muslim organisations and the irrefutably ‘non-violent ‘moderate muslim’ community to portray themselves as the ‘real’ victims; not of the violence from which they have distanced themselves, but from the anger and concern of the general public following the act, whose reactions have already been pre-emptively categorised as ‘islamophobic’ and so can be summarily dismissed as ‘racist hate crimes’.

      In short, this conviction enables the government to maintain the
      narrative that all acts demonstrate an even handed ‘equivalence’ in its
      treatment of its subjects, muslims and non-muslims alike.

      It is of course nothing of the sort.

      There is and can never be any equivalence between the actions of a
      soldier on active service and the deliberate, brutal murder of an innocent man on the streets of London.

      Rather we appear to be spectators at a continuing drama as we witness a remote political system which is rightly fearful of the consequences of its own weakness. Caught between the justifiable anger and concerns of the majority of the population and the possibilities of further atrocities from the militant followers of Islam, it seeks to both cajole and deceive the public, whilst abjectly appeasing the terrorists themselves and the culture and ethos from which they come, whilst failing to take effective measures to prevent further similar occurrences.

      I was particularly moved by the following view of one serving soldier, an infuriated Tommy Atkins, writing from Afghanistan, who expressed his feelings so cogently, as well no doubt, as those of many of his comrades in the field and all right thinking members on the public.

      http://www.damndunk.com/

      It is a furious, justified and eviscerating condemnation of the mediocrity of the nomenklatura in our political system and administration and within the most senior levels of the Armed Forces which will resonate both within the forces and with the public.

      I trust you will agree and support the release of Sergeant Blackman
      from prison and the associated dangers now he faces in consequence, as a
      result of the egregious decision of the Criminal Justice’ system to
      bring and try this case.

      Your sincerely,

      Noa”

      • Colin

        I applaud your efforts. Don’t hold your breath.

        • Noa

          Thank you, the more people who do something similar, the better the chances of success.

      • FrenchNewsonlin

        That squaddie’s blog is pretty powerful stuff. Thanks.

      • Doggie Roussel

        Well said, Noa… a copy of your letter is being forwarded to my own spineless MP, Damian Green Con (Ashford).

        I expect his reply ( he always replies) will be the usual prevaricating, slippery-tongued offering that I always get from this wretched poltroon; a sycophantic & toadying deferral to his party leader, in the hope of picking up a few crumbs in the advancement of his worthless career.

        • Noa

          And that,Doggie, is, unfortunately, the same sort of response I expect from Ben Wallace, Con (Lancaster and Wyre), for the same reasons.

      • channel.fog

        He shot an unarmed and wounded man. He said “I just broke the Geneva Convention” and “Shuffle off this mortal coil [expletive]. It’s nothing you wouldn’t do to us”. You should be ashamed of yourself.

        • Noa

          No, you shouldbe ashamed of yourself. As you sit in safe moral superiority tapping at your laptop, content to let people like Sergeant Blackman fight for you.

      • John Kinory

        Superb.
        And utterly sickening that some idiots are marking you down.

    • David Ossitt

      As is usual you have hit the nail on the head.
      This constant praising of Islam, or as in the case of the prosecuting councils summing up in the Rigby case where he said that “Islam was a peaceful religion and was not on trial here” is all a load of codswallop.
      Nobody has to constantly stress that Christianity is a peaceful religion.
      Islam is not and can never be a religion of peace, those of us who were brought up Christian, Buddhist, Jew etcetera, were taught to love and tolerate all other faiths.
      This is demonstrably not true of Islam, the solution to this problem and it is a problem is beyond the skills of our current politicians.
      It would need drastic measures, such as the enforced deportation of all of the relatives of those who transgress and try to do us harm.

    • Cornelius Bonkers

      And what precisely might be the point of apologising? What is all this apologising, confessing and forgiving? It rarely rights wrongs, merely pretending that matters are somehow squared when they’re not. One trouble with Islam (amongst very many) is that it’s a universal doctrine; it knows nothing of the kind of allegiances and belonging which westerners uphold and value. This is why our prince’s efforts are nothing but fictions designed to give him something to do; he should have picked another topic. “Chopper” Agaboogoo’s actions although extreme are hardly a surprise when you look around the Islamic world; quite a few of them are at it; “it” being the belief in VENGENCE rather than the law as a way of settling disputes. Islam is primitive, violent, and very stupid; it also has no concept of nationality – so it’s hardly likely “Chopper” would have had any feeling of belonging to folk like us. When oh when are the liberal boy scouts going to wake up?…God help us cos Nick Clegg won’t…

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