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Exclusive: David Cameron IS related to Catherine the Great

17 December 2013

4:26 PM

17 December 2013

4:26 PM

There has been much amusement in the last couple of days after Sophie Gadd, a student at the University of York, snapped a picture of Johann Baptist Lampi’s 1794 oil on canvas portrait of Catherine II the Great while visiting the Deutsches Historisches Museum in Berlin. Eagle-eyed Sophie pointed out the immediate and obvious similarities between the Empress of Russia and David Cameron. Her story traversed from the Twittersphere, and made into the pages of the Daily Mail and the Telegraph.

But it does not end there. The Spectator can now reveal that the reason Catherine the Great and our Prime Minister look so similar is because they are related. Quite closely in fact — second cousins, nine generations removed.

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It has been well established, and widely reported, that David Cameron is a direct descendant of William IV. Now Mr Steerpike, with the help of professional genealogist Richard Carruthers, has traced that lineage even further. William’s grandfather ‘Poor Fred’ (or Frederick Louis) Prince of Wales, who was the heir apparent to the British throne from 1727 until his death in 1751, was the father of George III, and a second cousin of Catherine the Great.

David the Great?

David the Great?

‘They shared a set of great-grandparents, Johann, Fuerst von Anhalt-Zerbst (of Sophie/Catherine’s birth House), and his consort, Sophie-Auguste Princess of Holstein-Gottorp,’ writes Mr Carruthers. So it would seem that it was more than a passing resemblance.

Catherine the Great is, of course, most famous for her penchant for perverted equine love, but let’s leave that one right there.

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  • James Wyatt

    Related? The finest proof of reincarnation ever more like

  • Gavin Radcliffe

    Good lord he actually even looks like her! He also bares an uncanny resemblance to George IV who his distant ancestor.

  • phuzz

    As an occasional reader of Private Eye, I consider those two pictures to be captioned the wrong way round.

  • Scott Douthwaite

    David Cameron is also related to Al Murray AKA The Pub Landlord. Al Murray is a direct descendant of William Thackeray Makepeace. And David Cameron is a direct descendant of William Thackeray Makepeace’s paternal grandfather.

  • D Whiggery

    Eurgh, that’s just nasty.

  • http://www.hoboprep.tumblr.com/ The Hobo Prep

    That’s… a woman? Also, is the man not a descendant of the last born foreign monarch of your Ye Olde Greate Countrye, George II? Like Boris the White Haired Knight?

  • Chris Kimberley

    second cousins only receive 1/32nd of dna, 9 generations removed is that 32 to the power of 9!?…….. chuck in the inevitible infidelities that occur in any family (and even allowing for the likely upper class inbreeding) they are about as related to each other as anyone you pass in the street is to you and just goes to show how much bobbins genealogy is. Terrible reporting and a failure to understand genetics.

  • http://www.gnomi.co.uk/ William Vincent

    Since you needed to go to the trouble of hiring a professional genealogist in order to make such a meagre connection – one that can be easily made on one of the countless websites that document royal and noble ancestries – I don’t think anyone should put much stock in your so-called sleuthing skills.

  • Alexander Kruglov

    As Russian citizen I can tell you more: Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh is a great great grandson of Russian Emperor Nicolas I. So British Royal family closely related to Russia.

    • Tom Tom

      so if Edward VII had not succeeded his dead brother and stayed as a playboy in Paris he would not have been so antagonistic towards his German nephew who adored his grandmother, and Nicholas might not have been murdered

      • Alexander Kruglov

        King George V was guilty of death of Nicolas II and his family – in 1918 PM Lloyd George proposed to King Georg V to grant an asylum to family of Nicolas II and himself. But George refused.

  • Smithersjones2013

    Catherine the Great is, of course, most famous for her penchant for perverted equine love, but let’s leave that one right there.

    No wonder Dave was coy about Rebekah’s horse.

    • Tom Tom

      Rebekah was the horse

  • Retired Nurse

    Its a fake…..if you care to scroll down the
    Wikipedia page featuring this portrait …

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_the_Great

    and examine the portrait by Johann Baptist von Lampi the Elder
    yourself….you can see for yourselves that its been
    Photoshopped. My guess is its a case of either a) a student trying to get a job with the Speccie, b) the KGB, or c) the bloke who’s been
    touching up Kim-Jong-Un’s depraved relatives recently…

    Cameron looks nothing like Catherine the Great in Fyodor Rokotov’s portrait.. or in Louis Caravaque’s, or for that matter in George Christoph Grooth’s either.

    [The page also features a portrait demonstrating the
    uncanny resemblance between Princess Michael of Kent, Tsar Peter III
    and Rowan Atkinson.]

  • Stanislav Romanov

    Have problem how?Premier to be able a royal’s? or son a rabbi.Are me premier of Poland find a gene polish a chancellor Merkel.Fact he say her grandfather to be Pole’s.What can explain a politic Merkel -to make mess UE.Premier Cameron probably at present it all the best politic european even a better than Obama.

  • François Guyard

    Catherine II was daughter of a 3rd cousin of Friedrich Ludwig von Hannover, Prince of Wales. His wife Augusta von Sachsen-Gotha was the second cousin of Catherine !!

  • Alistair Kerr

    I think that Cameron looks more like William IV’s Irish mistress, the actress Dorothea Jordan, from who he is also (obviously) descended. She is said to have excelled in Shakespearean roles, much as Dave does at PMQs.

  • Budgie Mitchell

    Like Catherine the Great, Cameron is going to be fooked over by a horsey set (ie: Rebekah Brooks in court..) – I can’t wait to find out what the Chipping Norton mob have been up to….

  • saffrin

    Seeing as Cameron has cooked his goose who cares how he’s related to. The point is, he’s already a has been.

  • Tom Tom

    Isn’t Cameron also related to George III through his German Jewish ancestor Emile Levita ?

    • Jock Coalman

      Is He a black belt at pseudo judo?
      Whatever you do do…
      Ain’t no tribe a’ Judah
      Don’t Ask ‘A’ Nasty – Scribe n’ Banka

      • David Webb

        I don’t believe Levita was related to royalty, but Jock Coalman, you clearly don’t know that Cameron does have some Jewish ancestry. You can explore his ancestry at http://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00474617&tree=LEO

        • Jock Coalman

          FYI Divid:
          Well, it depends what one defines as a ‘Choosenite’. Biblically, the real ‘chosen’ people are not even the whole twelve Tribes, but to be exact only one, Judah.
          Being of Ashkenazi lineage, this is certainly not Cameroid. Although, there were some mutterings that he was descended from Moses,
          http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1198824/Cameron.html
          I believe, that my hairy behind has a better claim of relation to this Biblical Patriarch.
          Related? Only in the sense, that we are all related to Adam, except for the Tares —-> Then again, it is likely that DC may well be one, give his high position, LOL but now we are getting to the real nitty gritty…

        • The Laughing Cavalier

          A short and undistinguished pedigree in the Cameron male line, petering out in 1776.

  • Tom Tom

    Sophie Gadd is a familiar name for some reason. As for Cameron, his antecedents are everyhere but in England

  • Richard Carruthers-Zurowski

    Actually, the connexion is via Poor Fred’s wife, Augusta of Saxe-Gotha, George III’s mother, and William IV’s grandmother. She was Catherine the Great’s second cousin, viz.:

    The Genealogical Connexion between current British Prime Minister David Cameron and Catherine II ‘The Great’, Empress of all the Russias (1762-1796), born Princess Sophie of Anhalt-Zerbst

    Johann, Fürst of Anhalt-Zerbst 1642-1667 (i.e. reigning prince)
    =m.
    Sophie Auguste, Princess of Holstein-Gottorp
    |
    their issue incl. brothers
    A. Karl Wilhelm, Fürst of Anhalt-Zerbst (b. 1652) and B. Johann Ludwig, Prince of Anhalt-Zerbst (b. 1656)

    Karl’s daughter Magdalene Auguste, Princess of Anhalt-Zerbst, was a 1st cousin of Johann’s son Christian August, Fürst of Anhalt-Zerbst

    Christian August had many children including a daughter Sophie who became famous as Catherine The Great, Empress of All the Russias (1762-1796), she married her 2nd cousin, Duke Peter of Holstein-Gottorp, who reigned briefly as Russian Emperor Peter III before being assassinated and replaced by Catherine

    Catherine had another 2nd cousin, Duchess Augusta of Saxe Gotha. She was the
    daughter of Magdalene Auguste above.

    Duchess Augusta of
    of Saxe-Gotha Second cousin of Catherine The Great of Russia
    =m.
    Frederick Lewis, Prince of Wales “Poor Fred”
    heir to the British Throne, son of George II
    |
    George III , King of Great Britain and Ireland 1760-1820 2nd cousin 1 remove
    =m. Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz
    |
    William IV , King of Great Britain and Ireland 1830-1837 2nd cousin 2 removes
    + extramarital liaison with
    Dorothy Bland, Mrs Jordan, actress
    |
    Lady Elizabeth FitzClarence 2nd cousin 3 removes
    =m.
    William George Hay, 18th Earl of Erroll
    |
    Lady Agnes Hay 2nd cousin 4 removes
    =m.
    James Duff, 5th Earl of Fife
    |
    Lady Agnes Duff 2nd cousin 5 removes
    =
    Sir Alfred Cooper
    |
    Stephanie Agnes Cooper 2nd cousin 6 removes
    =m.
    Arthur Francis Levita
    |
    Enid Agnes Maud Levita 2nd cousin 7 removes
    =m.
    Ewen Donald Cameron
    |
    Ian Donald Cameron 2nd cousin 8 removes
    =m.
    Mary Fleur Mount
    |
    David Cameron, British Prime Minister 2010-date
    b. 1966
    Second Cousin 9 generations removed (i.e. 9 additional steps in descent from his ancestor Augusta of Saxe-Gotha, Princess of Wales, who was a close kinswoman, i.e. a second cousin (even) of the famed Russian Empress, Catherine The Great)

    Richard Carruthers-Zurowski, B.A. (Hons) & M.A. (Oxon.)
    professional genealogist, Canada and the United Kingdom
    RichardCarruthersZurowski@gmail.com

    also author of research into the link between British Lib-Dem leader Nick Clegg and former Canadian Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff who share Russian kin, viz.:
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/politics-is-a-family-affair-for-ignatieff-clegg/article4316778/

    with acknowledgments to Leo van de Pas, Canberra, Australia
    genealogics.org

  • Eddie

    Cameron is upper class; hence he is related to all other upper class people who intermarried and interbred, like the royals. Ultimately, we are all cousins of course; I understand Cameron has a twin too – inspector Barnaby off Midsomer Murders.

    “The Spectator can now reveal that the reason Catherine the Great and our Prime Minister look so similar is because they are related. ” OR because they have the sort of generic inoffensive featureless face much favoured by portrait painters of old hag pervert queens a couple of centuries ago.

    “Quite closely in fact — second cousins, nine generations removed.” Oh yeah, practically close family then…

  • Martin_Meenagh

    The Young Potemkin looks much more like Osborne than Clegg, though….
    http://www.fotosimagenes.org/imagenes/grigori-alexandrovich-potemkin-7.jpg

  • Richard N

    Boris Johnson also descends from ‘poor Fred, ‘ thus the same connection to Catherine the Great.

  • Retired Nurse

    Looks nothing like her in Fyodor Rokotov’s portrait.. or in Louis Caravaque’s, or for that matter in Louis Caravaque’s, ..and if you care to scroll down the Wikipedia page they’re shown in, and inspect the portrait by Johann Baptist von Lampi the Elder shown there….does anyone else feel the above has been Photoshopped. Its either the KGB, or the bloke who’s been touching up Kim-Jong-Un’s depraved relatives recently…

    • Retired Nurse

      ..page also features a portrait of her ON a horse (a rare paparazzi shot), and another demonstrating the uncanny resemblance between Princess Michael of Kent, Tsar Peter III and Rowan Atkinson.

  • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

    Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it’s not just paying attention in school that helped Cameron, then? We didn’t think so.

    Any one of us could be related to some high-ranking non-normative Saxon-raping Norman, for all anyone knows, or even Charles I. He bucked around, hither and yon, and who knows how many children he had (17 illegitimate ones, isn’t it? but who’s counting?). Servant girl, milkmaid (that’s about my altitude in the social atmosphere). They can’t object or complain and they don’t tell. There are people walking around right now that have royal blood and don’t know it.* Not the royal lucre though, unfortunately for them.

    *I even wrote a poem about this: http://ajbrenchley.com/the-woman-in-the-wetsuit/

    • Eddie

      There are 4 million people in Britain who are related to the royal family, some quite closely.
      A bloke who runs a supermarket not all that far from me is a first cousin of Catherine (nee Middleston). They didn’t invite him or the lesser members of the family to the wedding though!
      But hey, Americans love this stuff and are FAR more deferent about it than we Brits. Personally, I care not who someone is related to and refuse to bow and scrape to anyone. Also, you can easily buy a title if you want – Lord this, Lady that, A couple of thousand is all you need.
      Also, the American political establishment is and always has been descended from the British upper class land-owners of the 17th and 18th centuries – Washington, Lincoln, Bush, Gore – they’re probably all cousins too.

      • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

        ‘easily buy a title’: I know. Someone I am related to has done it. And then stunned the family by being caught up in a scandal involving a brothel. You just can’t buy class!

  • David Webb

    You wrote that as if it took painstaking research to work that out. In fact royal genealogy has been done dozens of times and you could have found all that out with a few clicks of the mouse.

  • Doggie Roussel

    Catherine was an accomplished equestrian, in that she was ridden by the horse… Dave, I believe hangs out with the Chipping Norton set in Oxfordshire and has been seen riding out on a bright chestnut mare from time to time when the burdens of office permit him some momentary diversions.

  • Algernon the Sceptic

    The anti-Catherine equine charge was mere propaganda put about by her enemies and is typical of the misogynist slurs that are used against women even today.

    I hope this is not taken as defence of Cameron though. One’s voting UKIP.

    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rcOVJBMYQ Winston Blake

      Cameron looks good in Catherine’s dress after the gay wedding holiday with Sodom Hussein Obama…

  • graham smith

    I hope the geneology of these horses has no iceland cnnections

    • Doggie Roussel

      No, just Ugandan ones.

    • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

      gene – Alogy, not -Ology. –> logy, study (or words; account; narrative).

      According to the grammarian H. W. Fowler, even our usual pronunciation of ‘zoology’ is incorrect: we say it as though it had three o’s — zoo-ology — instead of saying ‘zo’ to rhyme with ‘so’, which is a reference to zoon, the Greek for ‘animal’. The word in short should be divided into zo / ology not zoo/[o]logy. There endeth the pendantry.

  • Jock Coalman

    Son of Cain Snakes, they’re all ugly as sin…

  • Alexander Young

    As fun as this bit of genealogy is, it is unlikely that their genealogical relatedness explains their similarity of appearance. Second cousins are only correlated at 1/32 for most traits. If we add in the 9 generations removed, then the correlation will be less than one in ten thousand. This assumes no inbreeding, however. It’s possible that the correlation will be higher due to the inbreeding of the ruling classes of Europe. In fact, what I suspect is that Catherine the Great and David Cameron both share features characteristic of the European ruling class by chance rather than by recent descent.

    • First L

      Good points, but the very minimal chance of genetic similarity does not equal impossibility. It’s not unheard of for genes to suddenly reappear in a genetic line after having been silent for many generations.

      • Alexander Young

        It’s possible but the genealogical distance makes it unlikely. However, if the European ruling class has less genetic diversity (through being founded by a small number of families as well as inbreeding) then they may also share distinctive genetic features due to this rather than their more direct genealogical connection.

        • First L

          Unlikely yes, yet the proof is right there in front of us 🙂

      • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

        Fine, but what good does it do anybody? ‘What good is it?’ must be the central question of human life, as I used to tell my scientist friend (married, a generation older, and entrenched in Boresville, USA, alas).

    • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

      Exactly. It’s all a mishmash even at the level of grandparents, never mind great-grandparents. Perpetuation of self through biological reproduction is factually incoherent, but as humans we are naturally predisposed to think that with each birth we are founding a dynasty…. My scientist friend said he preferred to reproduce himself by teaching and influencing successive generations of students.

  • David Kay

    What a diverse family they are from. From Catherine the Great to Cameron the Moron

    • First L

      Cameron may never receive the epithet Great – but he’s certainly the most capable of all the Prime Ministers currently still living, and a damn sight better than a number of those who have passed on.

      • channel.fog

        Which is a bit like saying the one-legged runner is superior to the legless.

        • First L

          Which he very definitely is, or are you going to vote for a legless PM next time?

          • channel.fog

            Asquith wasn’t a bad PM.

            • Tom Tom

              Funny, not many of his Cabinet would agree with you

      • David Kay

        the best of a bad bunch maybe, which is not a reason to vote for him or his party that have sold this country and its people out to the EUSSR. Remember that cast iron guarantee we’d get a referendum over the Lisbon treaty. How did that work out?

        Compared to Maggie (god bless her) Cameron is Kinnock

        Happy Christmas First L

        • realfish

          Remember that cast iron guarantee we’d get a referendum over the Lisbon treaty.
          No, but I remember Labour’s promise of a referendum
          No, but I remember Cameron’s qualification that this could only occur if the treaty remained unsigned and unratified.
          No, but I remember Farridge, when confronted about his much repeated lie that Dave made a ‘cast iron guarantee’, laughed and said that it was a ‘mere detail’

          • Jock Coalman

            Am I pyschic, because when I heard Cameron making that pledge I knew that the treaty WOULD BE RATIFIED IN LOTS OF TIME…
            Okay, he kept his word but proved he was slippery and deceptive as a bag of greased apes.

          • JackyTreehorn

            Go and read the article in the Sun newspaper.
            The caveat was put in later.

          • Smithersjones2013

            Bleat all you like about the technicalities of it all but not having an immediate viable and substantial alternative when he announced that the cast iron guarantee wasn’t as cast iron as had been made out (and granted he qualified it) cost Cameron a majority and undermined his trustworthiness and credibility in the eyes of key factions of the electorate. From that moment on the Tories lost 3-5% points vote share. That cost them a majority.

            Whatever the reality was, it was bad politics and Cameron’s greatest failing is that he is a crap politician who is utterly inept when it comes to playing the game.

        • First L

          Cameron promised a referendum if the Lisbon treaty was yet to be signed by Britain by the time he came into power.

          Gordon Brown sneaked over and signed it when no one was looking.

          The best of a bad bunch? Definitely a reason to vote for him then. Because if you don’t, then you’ll have the worst of a bad bunch in power.

          I agree. Maggie is our finest post war PM. But then it’s Cameron and then a precipitous drop to Major (Good man, terrible Government) Callaghan, Heath, Wilson, Blair, and finally, trailing in last, smelling of wee – Brown (Fraid my intimate knowledge of PM’s relative strengths doesn’t stretch back to the Sixties). Cameron is doing a bloody good job in difficult circumstances compared to all those others.

          • Alexandrovich

            Hookey not on duty tonight?

            • First L

              I believe he’s been displaced by Rhys Priestland.

      • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

        That’s a good one! Got any others?

      • Tom Tom

        He faces very few of the problems others have faced, and in fact has an easy job with no threats to the Empire and no threats in Western Europe. Cameron has had one of the easiest jobs as PM just like Blair – sleepwalking

        • First L

          On the contrary, 6 months ago Argentina was throwing up so much crap about the Falklands they would have only needed a small provocation to attempt another invasion. Cameron navigated that minefield very well, unequivocally putting Kirchner in her place. Equally Spain is getting heated about Gibraltar and yet it’s being played pretty well considering the Royal Navy was quite within its rights to sink some Spanish ships.

          He is also dealing with the worst economic crisis the world has ever seen (and not getting it wrong, even if he’s not getting it 100% right), an extremely belligerent EU and the possible break up of the UK if Scotland secedes. Plus he’s doing all this with an anchor called Nick Clegg wrapped round his legs.

          I’d say that’s at least as much to deal with as any of his predecessors

          • David Kay

            i sort of agree with you over the Argies and Spanish. But they’re like little pug dogs, all bark and no
            bite because theyve learned in the past if they bite they get a firework shoved up their @rse and they run away yelping

            • Tom Tom

              Really ? Thatcher lost £800 million ships in The Falklands as a result of saving £300,000 by scrapping HMS Endeavour…….not to mention lives ended or blighted…….but for Caspar Weinberger Britain would have been defeated

              • David Kay

                The pay a great discredit to the bravery and valour of the British Army who fought and won that war

                • Tom Tom

                  ??????????

              • First L

                HMS Endeavour is named with such pride. But you do realise that it was never actually a gunship. It was a scientific icebreaker that spent 9 months out of every year in the Antarctic. The only gun it had was a puny twin AA flak gun from WW2! It only had ice armour which was no armour to shells, missiles, torpedos or bullets. It was never a deterrent to Argentina, as it had no defence against a gunship, sub or god forbid the Belgrano and would have been sunk in seconds. It’s decommissioning had nothing to do with the invasion because it’s existence was not what had been preventing Argentina invading previously. The Argies could have sunk it by laughing at it.

                • Tom Tom

                  IT was a deterrent because the MoD withdrawing presence coupled with the FO policy on shedding overseas legacies made Argentina read it as a signal

                • David Kay

                  Tom Tom you said “but for Caspar Weinberger Britain would have been defeated”

                  im sure a squaddie who served there would luv to punch f*ck out of you for saying that. its a disgraceful , disrespectful and treasonous statement on your part

                • First L

                  It was not a deterrent because it wasn’t in the Falklands for nine months of the year.

            • First L

              Well yes and no. Both the Spanish and Argentine Navies are nowhere near ours in power even with our cuts. But that’s not the only consideration that both countries are dealing with. Both have very unpopular incumbents in power, both countries are stuck with disastrous economies.

              It is a well worn political path that if your economy is tanking, you find a popular war to hang your popularity on. Alright you can’t feed your children, but at least we’re fighting those dastardly British to get our islands back eh? Plus war is good for economies. High employment in the military, yet for some reason not many pensions.

          • Tom Tom

            Argentina is trivial without Jeane Kirkpatrick and Al Haig giving support as in 1982 to the Junta. The economic disaster is being handled just as effectively as in 1931 and that charts fit nicely over the events of that period suggesting a major correction ahead.

            Cameron is a caretaker of a burning building turning out the lights

            • First L

              I agree that Argentina would be trivial if we ever came to blows, their economy and military is in the gutter. However the point is that we did not come to blows. Kirchner was ratcheting up the rhetoric on a daily basis and Cameron simply faced her down and put her in her place.

      • Smithersjones2013

        Better than Major, Blair and Brown? Cor what an achievement (hardly). All of them worthless.

        .As for their predecessors I doubt Cameron is fit to adorn the underside of the shoes of most of those who have passed on. Even Heath (the worst of the post-war bunch) could fill the Commons when he spoke.

        • First L

          Heath is also a rumoured paedophile, was completely useless in power and sold the country to Europe. Cameron comes out far ahead.

          • ArchiePonsonby

            Why? Cameron’s continuing the sell-out!

      • ArchiePonsonby

        Satire, right?

    • Zeus

      Cameron the Last PM of the UK.

      • David Kay

        i wish! I hope i can count on your vote for english independence. Salmond should have let the whole of the UK have a vote on the independence issue, it would have been guaranteed, but with just scotland, im not so sure, but fingers crossed!

        Happy Christmas Zeus!

        • Tom Tom

          If England voted much of it would join Scotland to form North British Federation

          • David Kay

            never heard of it. where i live in the north west, we’re proud to be english, of our history and culture, and must want to get rid of scotland

            • Tom Tom

              Try cross the Pennines and find people who want rid of London

              • David Kay

                Tom Tom,

                i dont have to cross the Pennines to know that. i think you will find most people want rid of london because its no longer an english city is it. but that doesnt mean englishmen want to be part of a North British Federation with Scotland. which no one has ever heard of any way

                On the contrary, what Englishmen want is an English Parliament to represent english people. Britain is the past, England is the future

  • Temulkar

    David Cameron is also directly descended from Sir Edmund Sawyer, an odious gentleman declared unfit to ever sit in the House of commons and expelled in the 1620s. He then went on to swindle a widow out of 500 quid (120k in todays terms).Camerons 9 times grandfather. Not just catherines genes he’s inherited.

  • The Laughing Cavalier

    We all know that his Mum is a bit posh but in this country we are patrilineal. What about the Camerons in the male line?

    • http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

      Nothing to write home about.

  • Stanislav Romanov

    Very interesting thesis .Premier my relative? mhmm cousin? My grand-grandma’s to be hot sexual Interesting is have similar inspiration.Familys this.

    • channel.fog

      Are we supposed to re-arrange your comment into a well-known phrase or saying?

      • Stanislav Romanov

        Christmas article this a bit jokes.I if have new member my family a look-if similar eyes maybe and nature.Grand grandma’s to born in city at present live I.Think should hang paint premier in house Catherine no Berlin.

  • http://dodgeforsenate.com/ Andrew Ian Dodge

    Well that explains why he got into a bit of bother over a horse.

  • upset

    Oh Neigh Mr Cameron!

  • George_Arseborne

    So this Prime Ministet is a Russian immigrant? He will soon reveive a text from Theresa to goy home.

    • channel.fog

      ‘…goy home. That was a cheeky one.

    • Zeus

      Catherine the Great was not Russian, but German. Arguably the most successful and greatest German in history.

      • Doggie Roussel

        Merkel would give her a good run for her money… but that said, they say there isn’t a stallion about with enough libido to take on Merkel.

        • alabenn

          Merkel is a grubby jobsworth and is currently riding the wave of Germany not being devastated by the Euro and so looks compared to the rest of the EU a beacon of rectitude, her mismanagement will might like Blair`s, surface after she has gone, but her time is fast running out.
          Obama, Merkel, Hollande and Cameron the most over promoted group ever to hit the West

          • Tom Tom

            Germany has put its Euro Neutron Bomb in the freezer at the Bundesbank in the form of TARGET2 liabilities which will blow the German economy apart

        • Tom Tom

          Merkel is hardly ranked. She is a Beamtin blocking innovation and reform and leaving Germany stagnating. Gerhard Schroeder was a far more significant figure…….but the greatest living German is 94 – Helmut Schmidt

          • http://pislamonauseacentral.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

            But only because Adolf is dead.

      • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

        Greatest what in German history? Rather a bore, really. I can think of many Germans greater and that’s this moment while drinking some sort of red.

        • Zeus

          I see the barbarians are past the gate. When you have tastes greater than Eastenders and Coronation Street and other vulgar things then you may comment.

          • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swanky

            Eh? Talk about ‘imposing on the text’! How did you get any of that from what I wrote? As it happens, I don’t watch broadcast television and would never waste time on those shows. (Instead I waste it on blogs!)

      • Rush_is_Right

        Yeah right. That Bach, Beethoven and Brahms were quite hopeless.

        • Tom Tom

          German history has lots of more significant figures – Martin Luther, Gutenberg, Albert Einstein, Schiller, Goethe, Fritz Haber, Gottlieb Daimler, Werner von Siemens, Robert Bosch, Carl Zeiss, Roentgen, Dr Eurich, …………

          • First L

            Germany is a great civilisation with many great figures, and if we’re using the epithet ‘significant’ rather than great, that includes figures from the third reich. Fortunately Germany has more than made up for them with it’s many other achievements. However, I must say that real world political achievements trump scientific and mechanical achievements. Without Einstein and Gutenberg, the theory of relativity and the Printing Press would still have come into existence eventually. Without Catherine, Russia may never have been united.

            • Ivan Night Terrible

              “Without Catherine, Russia may never have been united.”
              No! :))
              After Ivan the Terrible and after Peter the Great – Russia was already “united”.

            • Tom Tom

              You should look more closely at Einstein before you disparage his contribution. You will tell us next that without Faraday someone in China would have invented the electric motor so there is no need to invest in R&D instead of fighting wars in Afghanistan to make great leaders like Tony Blair.

              If Mozrt hadn’t lived someone else would have written his music is truly off the wall even for you

              • First L

                If you’re incapable of reading and comprehending my comments, I suggest finding a more sensible pursuit for your time. I never mentioned Mozart who was an Artist not a Scientist. Art is Creation. Science is Discovery. Discovery can be made by anyone if they have a map and compass.

          • The_greyhound

            But they still lost the war ……

            • Tom Tom

              After 6 years and 5 million dead…….but all you have to claim is an island that blew up its empire and hocked itself to the Americans to bring the Soviet union into the heart of Western Europe. Brilliant foreign policy……..at least we have the children of the empire flocking to Britain now

        • Zeus

          She founded what is modern Russia, beat the Turks so successfully that she precipitated the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, she made St Petersburg the great city that it now is, filled it with art from all over the world, making the Hermitage the greatest museum in the world (which it still is) and she founded the Russian Enlightenment. She funded Diderot to publish his encyclopedia, so she helped fund the European enlightenment as well.

          • Ivan Night Terrible

            “beat the Turks so successfully…”
            This personal merit of Alexander Vasilevich Suvorov – not Catherine the Great!

            Suvorov is National Hero of Russia, not the victim a single defeat in his military career (more than 60 battles).

      • Ivan Night Terrible

        No!
        She Was Russian! :))
        Social being determines consciousness. (c)

        “The mode of production of material life conditions the social, political and
        intellectual life process in general. It is not the consciousness that
        determines their being, but, on the contrary, their social being that determines
        their consciousness.” K. Marx. Zur Kriitik der politischen Ökonomie.

        • The_greyhound

          You won’t make any friends quoting the BBC here.

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