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I would give up my seat for any pregnant woman, except Jo Swinson

18 October 2013

10:35 AM

18 October 2013

10:35 AM

Apparently our MPs declined the opportunity to stand up and give the heavily pregnant minister Jo Swinson a seat during PMQs. So she stood. She has made no fuss at all. My suspicion is the MPs would have happily stood for her but were worried that they’d later be castigated as sexist for having done so. And quite possibly by Ms Swinson. With the exception of air-headed Lib Dem ministers, it is right to give a pregnant woman a seat on a bus, or a train, isn’t it? Just as you’d give up your seat for a raspberry, or a very old person, no?

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  • CommonSenseSpeaking

    It is not sexist to offer a pregnant woman a seat.

    This argument is based on the false assumption that in every instance a pregnant women is offered a seat, it is because we view the situation as ‘pregnant women are incapable of standing up’.

    What is actually happening, is that humans are capable of both compassion and empathy. We see that a Pregnant woman is carrying around extra weight, which is distributed all in one particular region, and can potentially cause discomfort. Empathy allows us (both men and women) to imagine that if we were doing the same, we may also be in potential discomfort; compassion allows us to offer our comfort of a seat to someone who may desire it (Note: not require) more than us.

    The pregnant woman has every right to refuse the offer. However, there is nothing wrong (or sexist) with the rest of the world ‘being human’ and acting in kind.

  • john p reid

    Good for you rod,

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Davis/662052517 David Davis

    The best one-stone-solution to this two-bird-dilemma, for any man, involves (a) declining to travel on crowded buses, where there is a risk you will meet the old, the preggant and perhaps some smelly whingeing femiNazis, and (b) not “entering Parliament” where, for the sad time being, you will meet Jo Swinson.

  • Picquet

    The last time I opened a door for a woman in the UK, I received a blast of abuse. It won’t happen again.

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      We don`t do feminism here, just feminine.
      Jack, the Japan Alps Brit

      • Guest

        Yes, ladyboy!

  • http://www.angryharry.com/ Angry Harry

    Well, I certainly would have offered my seat to her – whether she liked it or not.

    If she refused it, fine. That’s her choice.

    And I don’t give a damn what feminists think.

    I’ll do what I do whether they like it or not.

    • teleiscrackers

      Exactly. I give up my seat not because they are a Lady but because I am a Gentleman

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Proving once again that male PMs are total @ssholes.

    • Toby Esterházy

      Did you even born with one, I wonder?

  • Hexhamgeezer

    I’d give my seat up to a pregnant Rachel Weisz or Keira Knightly especially if it was me who got her that way.

    • Daniel Maris

      Hands off our southern womenfolk you virtual-viking!

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      Knightley

      • Guest

        Thinks you are a t**t.

    • Toby Esterházy

      Nah, far too high maintenance for me like! Sarfden lasses often can’t lay eggs on their own!

  • NinePillocksInARoom

    I don’t understand why we tie ourselves in knots over such things. I hold the door open for people who are considerably older or considerably more good looking than me. Probably ageist and sexist but life is short enough without introspecting on this.

  • ScottAdler

    I have five painful conditions in my knees and feet, each one of which is sufficiently painful to cause me to walk with a cane. Before I would ever consider giving my seat to a pregnant woman, I would look at her feet — If she were wearing high heels, I wouldn’t give her the time of day, much less my seat.

  • sarah_13

    What’s a raspberry?

    • icetraveller

      Tasteless rhyming slang – as in ‘raspberry ripple’…..

      • David Lindsay

        I never knew that. I am a raspberry ripple, pretty much, and I shall probably end up fully raspberry rippled. I rather like the sound of it.

        Rod can make some play of being Northern. Yet he uses Cockney rhyming slang. And he supports Millwall. That autobiography has been anticipated for far too long. All I want for Christmas…

        • Lungfish

          sticky toffee pudding?

          • David Lindsay

            Always.

            • Lungfish

              have you been to that Portuguese restaurant in Hove?- whitebait for starter and sardine for the main course. Get the house red (not the white)- its not bad.

  • davidshort10

    But I did once give up my seat to Claudia Cardinale.

  • davidshort10

    In my native North East, I once was about to give up my seat on the bus to what I thought of as an old geezer, then realised he was probably not much older than I, so I sat sit!

    • Eddie

      Was it Paul Gasgoine?

  • Count Boso

    Raspberry?

    • Damon

      Thank you, Count Boso. Like you, I’m well aware that the use of ‘raspberry’ here doesn’t refer to the delicious fruit, but I’m still none the wiser. Help, anyone? [Oh, reading downards, I see it means ‘disabled person’. All clear now.]

      • Willie Kufr

        Why can’t you say cripple Damon – rhyming slang for, as in raspberry ripple. What are they teaching them in schools these days.

        • Lungfish

          are you a pretend Krout?

  • zanzamander

    I’m even afraid to hold the door open for someone following me in a wheelchair lest they think I’m being condescending towards them. In the new Lefty Progressive Liberal feminist utopia days of being civil to anyone are dead.

  • John Lea

    Swinson: just another fat lib-dem hamster non-entity.

    • tompiper

      Why slur hamsters?

  • @billcookeiii

    With ‘raspberry’ Liddle affirms his position as seediest columnist in Britain today. Not columnist, not journalist, because as we saw on the David Kelly debacle, journalism requires competence. Lovely man.

    • rodliddle

      I wasn’t involved in the “David Kelly debacle”, you fatuous oaf.

      • @billcookeiii

        Naah some other idiot was editor of the Today programme when Gilligan was allowed to phone it in in his jammies and it all kicked off. Still, maybe some of the guys who got raspberried in Iraq will be grateful for your deigning to give them a seat. Very manly of you.

        • Lungfish

          and who kicked off two world wars

          • Robert Taggart

            Blighty declared war on Jeermanee first – in both wars !

    • Damon

      Bill. Rod was using the term to be provocative, cheeky, spiky, irreverent, saucy and – okay – a wee bit inflammatory. That’s what makes good journalism edgy and fun. Would you rather we had a tame, reverential public sphere like those numpties in France, Germany or the States? Respect for the disabled (with which I wholly concur) does NOT imply a bland, sickly deference. Come on, Bill – get with the healthy British programme.

      • @billcookeiii

        Damon. You’re right. And it is but a short step from the fat oaf I know myself to be to the fatuous oaf Liddle calls me. But there is something of the ‘she can dish it out but can’t take it’ about him, nein ?

        • rodliddle

          No, Willie. You dished it out too. It’s you who can’t take it. Remember?

          • Geoff

            I do love a frank exchange of views.

          • Willie Kufr

            no, I really can’t remember. What are you talking about – enlighten me (if enlightenment is your thing ?)

            • Lungfish

              Mein Furer Williie, remember your vile behaviour before we discovered the camps.. You are lucky you even exist. My Grandfather would have had you all shot along with ALL of the Japanese.
              Luckily for you the Americans are human beings.

              • Lungfish

                but OK , you make good cars

                • Lungfish

                  The reason you make…… redacted… the Marshall Plan GAVE you money- duh um, and we hoped y…redacted…ry and take over th redacted…world again, but lo,

        • Lungfish

          sausage muncher

    • davidshort10

      In my opinion, he is the most compelling columnist in the UK. The reason is he has the talent to do much more (unlike other columnists who do not) and did but got kicked out of the BBC.

    • Lungfish

      explain your incoherence Willie, are you a German for example?

      • Willie Kufr

        Nein, if I was incoherent I wouldn’t be German, nor capable of explaining it. It could be that I am coherent, and you’re just a bit dim, though.

        • Lungfish

          hmm, never trust a German. You make a decent vacuum cleaner and most of the lamps, ugly peasant and I’ll still be drunk in the morning (or something like that)

    • Lungfish

      boo hiss, you with your expensive flash windmills

  • Baron

    Why is this a news item?

    In a society where equality trumps all, he who comes first, sits first. Next time, the woman shouldn’t be late, pregnant or not.

    • Lungfish

      I don’t think you believe that Baron!

      • Lungfish

        you’re old school Baron- unfortunately most people aren’t nowadays

        • Baron

          Oh, such generosity, you in want of something, my blogging friend, are you?

          Btw, have you already moved into the deep wilderness of Britain, a place also known as High Suffolk?

          • Lungfish

            no, not yet, something the money grubbing solicitors call ‘searchers’- as my good brother Nick, the flying brick told me the other day its paperwork the monks did before the working mfonagrr an anagraoplel pem- means nothing to most normal elcome folk Baron. Anyway it seems to take a much longer time than it should. You’re most welre Baroncome to examine my building project up there.. slopping about in the mud mainly, with some dry bits inbetween the rainy bits

      • Baron

        ‘Well, I dunno’, Baron is heard muttering after he’s read your post. The equality tossers ought to taught a lesson at every opportunity, and she is as good a contender for it as any other of them.

  • monkey for sale

    raspberry
    It’s like shooting fish in a barrel made from renewable trees.

    • icetraveller

      Amused myself for a brief moment substituting Rod Liddle’s name for Norman Geras’ in the 1st para of Nick Cohen’s tribute.
      Am I the only woman posting comments on Rod’s blog? Reading you lot is like eavesdropping on a bunch of insecure blokes in a pub. Women, pregnant or otherwise, aren’t particularly bothered whether you give up your seats for them. Up to you whether you behave like a considerate and thoughtful human being or not.

      • Sue Ward

        No, icetraveller, you are not the only woman although sometimes I do feel as if I am intruding on private grief!

      • monkey for sale

        Oh I wasn’t commenting on whether men , or women for that matter, should give up a seat for a pregnant women.*

        I was highlighting Rod’s need to stir the pot, and put people’s nose out of joint with the inclusion of the cocky slang for cripple.

        *For the record, I would offer up my seat, but I would do so without causing a fuss.

        • Eddie

          I really never knew raspberry was cockney rhyming slang for anything.
          A word of warning here though: I used to know a guy who was always giving up his seat to anyone and everyone (females, preggers or not, over 50s, women with kids, anyone with shopping bags or a limp, those with pushchairs etc).
          Well, as he told me himself, he was often abused by angry old fat women who were insulted he had offered his seat to them, because how dare he think them old and/or pregnant (when they’re just mega fat), and the final straw came when he kindly helped a woman with a pushchair onto a bus, which she then dropped, then reported him to the police and was going to sue him! Now he wouldn’t even offer his seat to a disabled pregnant 100 year old armless legless blob.
          Get your own damn seat, squidgy!
          What I find SO rude in women with kids who allow their small children to take seats and who do not sit them on laps. They deserve a slap really.

          • Kennybhoy

            What I find SO annoying is the f*****g “buggy bays”! :-(

          • icetraveller

            Once you’re over 60 you just sit tight with impunity. Brilliant.

            • anneallan

              And wave your bus pass in a provocative manner.

              • Eddie

                Oh yes, they do that on trams in Germany and central Europe.
                I don’t even bother sitting if trains, tubes, trams, buses are crowded – easier to stand. That means I shall never be in a situation where I offer my seat to a pregnant woman who just turns out to be enormously fat. Hoorah!

      • Eddie

        Or perhaps whether women who are heavily pregnant also behave like considerate and thoughtful human beings – in other words, not expecting the world to revolve around them.
        I personally hate seeing heavily pregnant women on TV or public transport. Not the place for them, because one bump and too much stress is surely not good for the unborn child?
        BTW plenty of women post here. It’s not like a male equivalent of mumsnet or spare teat or whatever the latest man-hatey nagfest is called.

      • John Lea

        The point is, icetraveller, that it may be the considerate and thoughtful thing to do (and I agree it is), but, according to certain feminist thought, it is also ‘sexist’. Men can’t win in the eyes of some women (I stress the word ‘some’).

    • Fencesitter

      Am thinking of changing my name to ‘feed the monkey’.

      • monkey for sale

        Try on ‘ginger p*ssy’ before you do anything rash.

      • Lungfish

        terrible racist

    • Lungfish

      hit
      Monkey for sale- , you are talking about the human brain, evolution and addiction.. Do not talk to that heavily addicted David Lindsay bloke. He obviously went to art school and sucked up a load of drugs and political left wing shit-he’s never actually had a job. He will talk all night in the library about freedom for the workers but his daddy was an estate agent in Surrey.

  • Cutiepie

    Good of the Spectator to let good old-fashioned Rod Liddle-style nastiness undercut Nick Cohen’s celebration of Norman Geras’ kindness and reason in the face of political disagreement.

    • The_greyhound

      What’s nasty about exhibiting the inherent contradictions of fashionable manners? Presumably you prefer to see only sanctimonious humbug of the sort Cohen slops up printed in future?

  • Eddie

    Oh aye – but offering a seat to a woman who LOOKS pregnant is a very dangerous move! Some real porkers out there. Probably 30% of British women look preggers at any one time (but it’s just cellulite of course, not that 17th Mars bar they gobbled for brekkers).
    What I think is pathetic is when men give up their seats to all women – either their are foreign, from backwards cultures, or they are common (as the lowest classes and the most uppery tend to be).

    • DougS

      Expect that large percentage of porkers to come rocketing down once Rod’s new slimming aid is widely promulgated……..the Aga!

      • Willie Kufr

        Well, the way Liddle likes it, he aint gonna be getting anyone pregnant, is he ?

        • Eddie

          Oh my…

        • Lungfish

          are you a Pakistani?- I’v been to that godawful place. Some of it is fairly nice, but most of it is a w

          • Lungfish

            charming multi cultural paradise

        • Lungfish

          Peace be upon you Willie my friend

    • Sue Ward

      In fairness Eddie, at least 30% of British MEN look pregnant at any one time!

      • Eddie

        Indeed. But no-one offers their seat to a pregnant man, do they (the sexists!).

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Davis/662052517 David Davis

          “Modern mothers”, especially the sharp-elbowed middle-class ones with “degrees” from the 1,436,898 universities created by John Major, are the worst. And for a free tip, don’t ever get in the bad books (such as trying to squeeze past their large cars to get where you need to go) of mothers collecting children from St Philip’s CofE primary school, Hampton Road, Southport! They will always get the better of you somehow.

          (It’s a good school though, which is probably why they manage to get their chilren in.)

          • Eddie

            Don’t worry, we have the issue issue with common and vulgar ‘mums’ collecting kids from schools on the narrow roads here. They actually STOP in the middle of the road and start nattering with another ‘mum’ they know in another car – wound down windows as they natter their chavvy inanities. Holding everyone up.
            It’s called selfishness and lack of consideration and manners, basically. Mothers were NOT always like that. They used to have manners and consideration for others. Now they think their status as a ‘mum’ gives them the right to do whatever they want.
            But any moron can breed, and plenty do. It’s hardly an achievement! Have it off, wait 9 months and there yer go! Another averted abortion mewling and puking into our overpopulated world…
            By the way, I know all this from my mum and her elderly female friends who also hate modern mothers and how selfish they are – parking at bus stops, pushing prams 2 abreast on the pavement and forcing everyone else onto the pavement, allowing their small children to take up seats on public transport which should be taken by adults, NOT 5 year olds, who belong on mummy’s lap (even if she is a shameless selfish pig).
            As these ‘mums’ have no common decency or manners, maybe we need new laws? Under 10s should not be allowed seats of buses and trains if adults are standing. Sorted.

            • Lungfish

              good typer

  • Robert Taggart

    Just amazed any fella fell for her !

    • La Fold

      You should see some of the dames round my yard pushing prams about mush. I thought they’d never be enough lager in the world for some but clearly I was wrong.

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Just put a paper bag over her head.

        • Lungfish

          rude boy

        • Toby Esterházy

          No need. Lib Dems love foreigners like you.

        • ahstrewth .

          “A two-bagger” Rodney Dangerfield.
          Where you put a bag over your head in case (gasp!) the bag over her head falls off.

      • StephanieJCW

        I feel that way about a lot of the blokes I see.

        • La Fold

          Plenty of dental horrorshows strolling about my yard too. Usually see them walking alongside the aforementioned hippohoppocrocohorropigs. Lager and legal highs have a lot to answer for.

    • Fencesitter

      Because she’s a Lib Dem? I get that.

      • Robert Taggart

        With a name like FenceSitter – you must be a LieDum !

    • anncalba

      I often feel that about men – how could she? Maybe you need to look in the mirror.

      • Robert Taggart

        It be too long – since One looked in the mirror – and even longer since One needed to !

        • Lungfish

          my Hotmail got all fucked up

          • Lungfish

            try and forget Brocky !

            • Lungfish

              we were all fucked at Brocksford Robert

        • Lungfish

          07971 657497

    • Lungfish

      I am pregnant Robert, and your the father

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        you`re

        • Lungfish

          correct, I knew I,d ma’de tht me’stake as soon as I/d dun it- sorry Jack

          • Lungfish

            I’v been to Chastleton house today- superb, then went to Hook Norton Brewery, and have made it home with Mrs Lungfish

            • Lungfish

              That Chastleton House, what an amazing place!, owned by a bunch of Royalist losers for four hundred years. Anybody interested in the history of this daft nation should go there.

              • Robert Taggart

                As a Republican ‘Roundhead’ – am sure it would make for a good visit !

                • Lungfish

                  Robert, you should go therf anf see the Juxon Bible- thdmaster would love ite Old Hea-he wo uld hit you with a stick to celebrate the Lords love

                • Lungfish

                  How come I never got hit with the stick Robert?- Answer< my folks had mnd tennis couoney and paid for the pool and court. But unfortunatelely thisid poor withered country is being run the rich boys who's Mum pairles d for the pool. But we love Charles 1st.. But Rod Liddle is a ' hero of our times', eh hem.

                • Lungfish

                  vingare ytou coming to visit the Devils own country of Suffolk anytime soon Robert?- I know nothing about it. It seems flat and I’v had nightmares about running into Ststionephen Fry and having lectures on bio-fuels and molecular digestion, even before fuckin wind turbines (cancer) Quite frankly I’m so bored of energy talk and all the bullshit I’v taken the brave step of buying a house in the far East for my retirement. Ho Hum that’s what I’v fuckin done. Very boring I know.

        • Guest

          No, you are a tw*t and a tw*t!

          (“Editor”: I know you are, Jack the smiling Nip!)

      • Robert Taggart

        Oo Er – never knew you were ‘that way inclined’ !

    • StephanieJCW

      You, of course, look like Ryan Gosling…

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