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Ed Miliband’s letter to Lord Rothermere – and the Mail on Sunday’s apology

3 October 2013

12:05 PM

3 October 2013

12:05 PM

Dear Lord Rothermere,

Yesterday I spoke at a memorial event held at Guy’s Hospital in London for my uncle, Professor Harry Keen, a distinguished doctor who died earlier this year. It was an event in a room on the 29th floor of Guy’s Hospital which was attended only by family members, close friends and colleagues.

I was told by one of my relatives late yesterday evening that a reporter from the Mail on Sunday had found her way into the event uninvited. I also discovered that, once there, she approached members of my family seeking comments on the controversy over the Daily Mail’s description of my late father as someone who “hated Britain”.

My wider family, who are not in public life, feel understandably appalled and shocked that this can have happened.

The Editor of the Mail on Sunday has since confirmed to my office that a journalist from his newspaper did indeed attend the memorial uninvited with the intention of seeking information for publication this weekend.

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Sending a reporter to my late uncle’s memorial crosses a line of common decency. I believe it a symptom of the culture and practices of both the Daily Mail and the Mail on Sunday.

There are many decent people working at those newspapers and I know that many of them will be disgusted by this latest episode. But they will also recognise that what has happened to my family has happened to many others.

I believe no purpose would be served by me complaining to the Press Complaints Commission because it is widely discredited.

Instead, I am writing to you as the owners of the Daily Mail and the Mail on Sunday because I believe it is long overdue that you reflect on the culture of your newspapers. You should conduct your own swift investigation into who was responsible at a senior level for this latest episode and also who is responsible for the culture and practices of these newspapers which jar so badly with the values of your readers.

There are bigger issues for the people of Britain in the midst of the worst cost of living crisis for a century than intrusion into the life of my family. But the reaction of many people to the Daily Mail’s attacks on my father this week demonstrates that the way your newspapers have behaved does not reflect the real character of our country.

It is now your responsibility to respond.

Ed Miliband

UPDATE, 1.20pm:

Geordie Grieg, editor of the Mail on Sunday, has apologised for the reporter’s actions and has suspended two journalists. Here is his statement:

I unreservedly apologise for a reporter intruding into a private memorial service for a relative of Ed Miliband. The reporter was sent without my knowledge; it was a decision which was wrong. Two journalists have been suspended and a full investigation is now being carried out. I would further like to apologise to members of the family and friends attending the service for this deplorable intrusion.I have already spoken personally to Ed Miliband and expressed my regret that such a terrible lapse of judgement should have taken place. It is completely contrary to the values and editorial standards of The Mail on Sunday. I understand that Lord Rothermere is personally writing to Ed Miliband.

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  • TheEnglishConstitutionalist

    Disrespect to someone holding a different analytical view on society cannot be allowed.

    It is part of our basic sense of fairness to tolerate different views.

    If the views are violations of others’ rights and then they are put into material action then the response may be different.

    By all pub shed accounts, the academic work of Ralf Miliband was of very respectable standards.

    So why condemn him for expressing views that could only have been motivated by a keenness to make society better?

    Ralf Miliband deserves recognition and respect for his intellectual rigour and socially enlightening contributions.

    He has left a solid body of work on how we could all make this society much better.

  • London Calling

    Even if Eds father did hate Britain at that time, I fail to see it as public interest. The Mail owe Ed a full apology,nothing less……..:(

  • FrankS

    “There are bigger issues for the people of Britain in the midst of the
    worst cost of living crisis for a century than intrusion into the life
    of my family.”

    Too true Ed – a true statesman wouldn’t have let it dominate his week.

    • HookesLaw

      ‘The cost of living crisis’ is a socialist invention. The destruction of 7.2% of our productive capacity is a socialist fact.
      As left wing Channel 4 point out.
      http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-cost-living-crisis/14164
      ‘[Osborne] was correct to say that overall disposable income, as opposed to just wages, actually rose faster than inflation last year.’

      Miliband – like all the socialists we see on here (plus the gin sodden one) does nothing but lie.

  • paulus

    I was an absolute disgrace to do that too him. You will apologise and apologise unreservedly.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      Your spelling and grammar are an absolute disgrace.

  • trotters1957

    Quote from the Telegraph.
    “A former Conservative minister who was once taught by Ralph Miliband said it “beggars belief” the Mail could accuse him of a lack of patriotism. Lord Moore of Lower Marsh, who served under Margaret Thatcher, studied at the LSE. He praised
    Mr Miliband as a “great academic”, adding: “I never heard him ever say one word which was negative about Britain.”

    Will the Spectator retract the ludicrous article and apologise by Rod Liddle?
    Thought not.

    • HookesLaw

      Why should the opinion of one person a student at the time, compared to the evidence of others, hold sway?
      Liddle gave evidence for his assertions.

  • Shorne

    It seems that some of the commentators on here have achieved the remarkable distinction of showing a greater degree of moral bankruptcy than the Mail.

  • Bonkim

    The only word that comes to mind for this reporter is scum.

    • HookesLaw

      No need to talk about self serving lefties like that.

  • alabenn

    He writes,
    There are bigger issues for the people of Britain in the midst of the worst cost of living crisis for a century than intrusion into the life of my family.
    This man is without doubt milking this for political rather than family reasons, he has inserted the latest buzz words from labour, cost of living crisis, still family cares from a man who stabbed his brother in the back, what can you expect.

    • rubyduck

      Little Ed is a little sh*t but I see no reason why he should be abused for beating his brother in the leadership contest.

  • Colonel Mustard

    Seems like the leftist collective and their Leveson pals are now gunning for the Mail and will use this issue to cheerlead more press regulation.

    They are identifying their enemies and trying to shut them down one by one.

    • David Lindsay

      That’s called politics. If those enemies are no good at it, then that is not their enemies’ fault.

      • HookesLaw

        Keep it up – its important that the usual suspects see how they are being used by Labour in the game of ‘politics’.

      • Colonel Mustard

        No, it isn’t politics David. It is something much more sinister.

        • David Lindsay

          I don’t see how. It is in fact very moderate compared to what the Tories do all the time through their courtier press, and have been doing since time immemorial.

          I fear that a certain section of society is getting a dose of reality. As with your previous comment about the police and the Countryside March. That they managed not to kill any of you made them extremely restrained by their own standards. Something similar applies here.

          If newspapers do not wish to be treated by political parties as if they were rival political parties, then they ought not to behave as such. But they do.

          And Miliband (perhaps this bit really is due to his foreign background) has no truck with Rule Number One of British politics, which is that Labour must never, ever, ever fight back. Those days are gone. Get used to it.

          • Colonel Mustard

            I understand that you don’t see how. That is the problem with you lefties – your subjective blind spot – but you are the ones constantly crowing from the moral dung heap not us. It is in fact an absolute truth as stated by many here that the left like to dish it out but not to take it. After all that is the very basis of Marcusean politics, that your evils are always excusable evils. It is what telemachus “preaches” when he attempts to justify Stalin. Why do you think Campbell got so agitated on Newsnight. He was virtually saying:-

            “We might use every trick under the sun to smear our opponents but don’t you dare call us on it or adopt the same tactics.”

            One rule for you and one rule for everyone else.

            And Labour doesn’t ever need to fight back since they are constantly on the offensive against their enemies, real, imagined or created.

  • Mr Grumpy

    Gatecrashing a funeral was inexcusable and Ed Miliband is fully entitled to protest (@Holly why shouldn’t he do so publicly – the DM’s a newspaper). I think, though, it is somewhat dishonest of him to link this issue to the hatchet job on his father, lamentably shoddy journalism though it was. Ralph Miliband was a public figure who used a publicly funded university chair to propagate an ideology overwhelmingly rejected by the electorate. His name and outlook have been kept in the public domain since his death by none other than his younger son. So he’s fair game.

    • mightymark

      The “linkage” is all part of a course of dealing by a newspaper with form.

  • trotters1957

    How low can Dacre go? Probably a lot lower.
    Advertisers have started boycotting the Mail, another NOTW anyone?

  • FF42

    I disagree with the other commentators. What the Daily Mail wrote about Ralph Miliband was nonsense, but who are we to tell them what to publish? In any case if newspapers removed all articles that are nonsense there wouldn’t be a lot left.

    Gatecrashing a private funeral to squeeze copy out of reluctant mourners, on the other hand, is straightforward intrusion. That was simply unacceptable behaviour on the part of the Daily Mail.

    • Holly

      People are free to Google, and look at what Miliband’s dad has written, whether left or right.
      Then they can make their OWN minds up.
      We are now being force fed, by Miliband, that we should ALL be outraged by what a newspaper printed in a paper that now sits in the cat litter tray.

      Gatecrashing is not very nice, and if genuine, Miliband is right to complain, but why do it so publicly?
      Now the whole family are dragged into the over egged ‘outrage’ about a rather meaningless write up in a newspaper Labour & the left reckon no one agrees with.

      It only means something to those who either agree or disagree with certain ‘isms’. The rest of us would have forgotten about the piece, (well at least those as sad as me who read the article) and like the tales of fad diets, what to eat, wear, and where to shop, would have been forgotten by the time X Factor is on.

      Miliband does this all the time, pushes an issue way past the point of people’s interest, and he will come to regret this if it can now be plausibly suggested that he is using this for political gain, muzzle our free press or heaven forbid, to overshadow another Tory conference.
      Just sit back and hear the screams…
      Either way if Miliband really does want his family members to be kept from public scrutiny, maybe he should help achieve that by NOT MENTIONING THEM publicly every chance he gets!

      • FrenchNewsonlin

        “Outrage” is perhaps the one thing the Left does with consummate competence.

        • HookesLaw

          ‘Calm down dear’, we know the left have a thin skin.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            …as do all you socialists.

  • Hello

    It really is depressing that Labour think that this approach is going to win them an election. I wish the election were sooner. The UK is in need of a better opposition.

    • Holly

      It is not Labour who are under the illusion that this approach is going to win them the election.
      It is Miliband and his ‘circle’ who think it will.

      People will soon cotton on.
      This is the usual stuff by Miliband, whatever the topic, he plays it for all it’s worth, even when any gain is then obliterated.
      Oh dear….Never mind…

  • JabbaTheCat

    /yawn

  • Ian Walker

    None of this plays well with his ‘man of the people’ spiel, does it?

    One Nation Labour my a*se

  • David Lindsay

    Who needs Leveson?

    Coulson and Brooks are about to stand trial, with devastating consequences for the Murdoch stable.

    The Daily Mail is having some kind of nervous breakdown.

    The Guardian is considering print publication only two or three times per week, because that is what happens when you go Lib Dem and then the Lib Dems somehow manage to get in.

    The BBC did not report a march of between 50,000 and 70,000 people in defence of the NHS, because the Corporation is chaired by a Conservative Peer and former Party Chairman who is employed by at least one private healthcare company.

    And so it goes on.

    • Wessex Man

      oh no I suppose this is your pitch to close down the free press, didn’t take you long!

      • David Lindsay

        Quite apart from “What free press?”, it is doing a perfectly good job of that on its own.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          …sounds like you’d be in favor of eliminating public subsidies for the media, then, rather than slamming their costs down on the People. There may be hope for you yet, lad.

          • David Lindsay

            There is a national newspaper in this country, a newspaper which belongs to the Parliamentary Lobby and which is sold in newsagents, but which is otherwise ignored completely, and which certainly does not receive any kind of public subsidy.

            It was telling you months ago about the abuse of workers on construction projects for the World Cup in Qatar, and this week it was telling you about the fact that the East Coast Main Line was about to be sold to the French and Belgian Governments. State ownership is fine, just so long as it is not the British State. Nick Cohen, you picked up the Qatar story. How about this?

            That newspaper appears entirely online without the slightest suggestion that it might cease to appear in print six days per week. That is what happens when you are owned by your readers, when you print book reviews every day, when you include BBC Parliament in your television listings, when you cover news from the trade unions and from the People’s Assemblies, when you have opposed every neocon war since Kosovo, when you have opposed the Eurofederalist project from the very start, and when you have only ever advocated a Labour vote at a General Election.

            You would like it, TVG. You wouldn’t agree with everything in it (nor do I, and I own it), but you would like it. It is widely read by Old Right politicians and their staffers. It is not difficult to see why.

            • the viceroy’s gin

              Oh, I’m all for your newspaper and any other media, giving voice to and from anybody needing voice. I’m glad that there’s that one, and many others.

              I just don’t think the People should be burdened with paying for them.

              • David Lindsay

                If the Mail really is going down, then what will become of its platform for paleocon voices? Is it time to ask Taki to buy it? Then again, on this site, the solution might be staring us in the face.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Who cares what happens to it? All legacy media is going down, hopefully. They’re all rotten, and they all stink of it.

                  No need to worry about conservative voices being stilled, lad. They won’t be, as they’ll tough it out as ever. It’s the illegitimate and cowardly Left that gets hurt, when these massive public subsidies get removed from the rotten legacy media.

                • David Lindsay

                  What do you mean by “public subsidies” in this context?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …generally, such as the BBC is the overt example.

                  But there are also many examples of public subsidy to print media throughout the world. either through the tax codes or direct subsidies via “contracts”.

                  And of course, there is the well known personnel shuttle between legacy media and lefty politics, which is a second order subsidy. Just a wink-wink and we’re all rolling, mister.

                • David Lindsay

                  “Lefty”? In America, perhaps.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  The legacy media is a lefty construct, everywhere. We conservatives certainly don’t need it, lad. You lefties do. That’s why you’ve perverted it so badly. You need it, and you need others to pay for it, and that’s why you force them to do so via the subsidies.

                • David Lindsay

                  No, that, even if it is true, is an entirely American view.. The print media, especially, are the permanent institutional expressions of the Right in mainland Britain.

                  The Conservative Party has often, even in government, been a purely social organisation; for example, in the 1950s.

                  But the right-wing papers have always really been the right-wing papers; the only right-wing voices, as such.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  You’re acting like there’s historically been some multitude of them. There hasn’t. These children at the top of this site’s masthead are certainly nothing like conservative. They’re pure socialists, much like you. And flip through the rest of the mastheads, and find a purely conservative voice, if you can. These are rare, almost non-existent in the legacy media.

                  But it’s the big boys that matter. The megaphones. That would be the BBC and its familiars. Those are all publicly funded, and emit the Left’s dogma.

                • David Lindsay

                  The BBC is chaired by a Tory Peer who used to chair that party and who still takes its Whip. Yet it has effectively created UKIP as a significant phenomenon, by massively over-reporting a party with no seats. That is the BBC’s idea of balance: the Tories and UKIP.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Again, it doesn’t matter that the children at the top of this publication’s masthead call themselves “conservatives”, because they’re pure socialists just like you.

                  And it doesn’t matter that some other chump calls himself a “conservative” and sits on some BBC board, because like Call Me Dave, he’s a pure socialist, just like you.

                  UKIP is a populist construct. The People create those, laddie, not lefty progagandists. Your socialist BBC buddies want to use them, no doubt, because the BBC are fiercely partisan tribalists, just like you, and UKIP might assist them in their tribalist warring. That is all. It’s just face-painted savages, acting out, and fierce partisan tribalism is nothing other than face painted savagery. If you were a conservative you’d know that, but you’re a socialist so you don’t. It’s all about you tribalists, you and Dave and the like, fighting tribally.

                  You’d understand all this, if you were a conservative.

                  It does seem that you’re committed to stealing money from hardworking People of the land, and giving it to committed hard leftists such as yourself, to spew your leftist propaganda. That’s morally wrong. It’s cowardly. It’s reprehensible. But as you’re a hard leftist, it’s not unexpected. It’s what you types do, and you do need the BBC to spew your filth, because God knows few would willingly pay to have it.

    • Colonel Mustard

      What evidence is there that between 50,000 and 70,000 people took part in that march? Is there an independent source for the numbers?

      The Countryside Alliance fielded between 250,000 and 400,000 people in London in 1998 and it was treated with disdain by the BBC and with unnecessary violence by New Labour’s police goons.

      • David Lindsay

        The police said 50,000, and that it was the biggest event ever policed in Greater Manchester, which strongly suggests that it was in reality a lot larger than that. One of the organisers has told me 70,000. In which case, I’d go for 60,000.

        There were precisely two arrests, and they had nothing to do with anything official, but they alone was reported.

        The Countryside March, with which I was not without sympathy, had been hugely plugged by the BBC, was treated as more or less the only news all day, and is the only known case of both the police and media uncritically repeating the organisers’ estimate of the number of attendees.

        As for the police treatment of it, welcome to the real world. Take it up with the miners. That is just what you get if you protest against any British Government over anything. At least until this weekend.

        In fact, compared to their activities in the 1980s, the police were positively deferential towards the Countryside March. There were no deaths. Don’t spit on your luck.

        • Colonel Mustard

          There is no comparison between the police deployed against the miners – old-fashioned bobbies poorly equipped and trained for public order duties in the face of the miner’s violent rioting – and New Labour’s balaclava-masked black- clad Praetorian Guard deployed against the CA.

          • David Lindsay

            No, indeed.

            The Praetorian Guard practically curtsied to the people whom they were policing, although even that was not good enough for people used to being greeted with prostration by the lower orders, and who have still never stopped going on about how shockingly undeferential the common little plods were.

            Whereas the “old-fashioned bobbies” actually killed the miners, robbed their bodies, went into their houses in order to rape their womenfolk and loot their possessions, and much more besides.

            • Colonel Mustard

              Hyperbole. The photograph here clearly shows a riot-helmeted member of New Labour’s armed wing using a (quite possibly illegal) metal baton on a bare head. Followed by photographs of 11 people with head injuries, including a woman. Hardly a ‘curtsey’ in anyone’s book.

              http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1170404/ROBERT-HARDMAN-Why-Left-silent-riot-squads-inflicted-terrible-injuries-peaceful-country-folk-2004.html

              New Labour’s tame Met commanders had clearly been briefed to lay on.

              • David Lindsay

                You got off very, very, very lightly. If anything, you ought to be grateful.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Coming from you that is a trite and not very bright reply to a comment that proves your previous assertion was simply wrong. I wasn’t on the march and I am not a member of the Countryside Alliance so I have nothing to be grateful for.

                • David Lindsay

                  All right, then, those who were there. They got far, far, far less than the police have routinely meted out to people demonstrating in more or less any other cause.

                  There was no “hyperbole” in my earlier comment. Everything that I described, and more, really happened, and that on an industrial scale. Only 30 years ago. As the policy of the Government of the day.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Remember, the Left is historically violent, and the authorities know it. I doubt the people in those photographs acted out the violence that we all know the Left dishes out in such actions. Historically, there’s a difference in the 2 types of group assemblages. One assembes and demonstrates peacefully. The other forms a mob and threatens violence, often carrying it out.

                  And you know which is which, same as everybody else.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  No, it was hyperbole. As the photographs show.

                  And the Countryside Alliance was not, as far as I know, being funded by the Soviet Union.

            • Kennybhoy

              Evidence for that second paragraph Maister L?

              • rubyduck

                Seconded.

            • Kennybhoy

              I say again Lindsay. Evidence for that second paragraph?

              • Kennybhoy

                I say again Lindsay. Evidence for that second paragraph?

                • Kennybhoy

                  I say again Lindsay. Evidence for that second paragraph?

    • HookesLaw

      Of course the BBC reported the march – I saw it with my own eyes. On TV and on the web. thanks for showing what a typical socialist you are by spreading downright lies.

      And the nutjobs are falling over backwards to let you lot in.
      What a joke and a dope Farage is and oh how you must be laughing yourself silly at their expense

      • David Lindsay

        It reported the two arrests. That was all. The BBC gave more attention to those two old fusiliers heckling, and rightly so, inside the hall than to the tens of thousands of people heckling outside it.

        At least one of Her Majesty’s Privy Councillors is among the thousands of people who have submitted official complaints. Patten is about to learn that you can’t have a snout in two troughs.

        Ask yourself if you could be the Chairman of the BBC while taking the Whip of any party other than the Tories. That question answers itself.

        • HookesLaw

          The BBC reported the march. Full stop. You lie. Period.

          • David Lindsay

            Tetchy, I see.

            The downright corrupt relationship between the Tories, the private healthcare companies and the BBC is going to be exposed as the furore over this blackout plays out once Parliament is back.

            One in four of the adult population of Lewisham recently marched in defence of the hospital there and the BBC wildly underreported it, claiming that there were vastly fewer people than even the police had said.

            Chaired by Patten, the BBC has an active policy of ignoring popular opposition to the Coalition’s flogging off of the NHS to all and sundry.

            • HookesLaw

              Absurd.
              Take a look at labour’s 2010 manifesto where it promised more use of private healthcare suppliers.
              But keep up the lies, its important that the usual suspects see who they are aiding and abetting.

              • David Lindsay

                Labour did not win the 2010 Election. (Nor did anyone else, come to that.) Although – surprise, surprise – it has hardly been reported, the official and stated policy of the Labour Party is the full-blown repeal of the massively unpopular, electorally unmandated Health and Social Care Act.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  The Conservative party won it with more votes and more MPs than ANY other party. Winning an election and forming a government are two separate issues. Brown lost categorically but was at first still going to try to squat in No.10 and had to be winkled out by his own people.

                  I remember it well. I remember the huge relief that the national socialists had been kicked out. Kicked out. Losing 91 seats. The whole of England turned blue except for the few strongholds of imported voters and the descendants of the Irish.

                • David Lindsay

                  Brown did not “squat”. Someone has to be Prime Minister on any given day, and at that stage no one had agreed on a new one. He lost, of course, as did everyone else. But he did not lose “categorically”, or the situation that you described could not have arisen.

                  To the best of my knowledge, no one was sacked from Fleet Street for having spent years predicting a Cameron landslide which never materialised. Perhaps because there would then have been almost no one left.

                • Kennybhoy

                  Colonel Mustard wrote:

                  “… except for the few strongholds of imported voters and the descendants of the Irish.”

                  God what is it like inside your heid man…? You are in my prayers.

    • Kennybhoy

      David Lindsay wrote:

      “The Daily Mail is having some kind of nervous breakdown.”

      An accurate characterization.

      “C’est pire qu’un crime, c’est une faute”

  • Bert

    Dear Lord Rothermere,
    Please don’t dignify this self-righteous hypocrite with a response.

  • Tron

    The Left can dish it out but they sure can’t take it.
    Posing for pictures with “Dancing on Thatchers grave” T- shirts is fine but pointing out the extreme political beliefs of Miliband’s father is some sort of hate crime.

    • Austin Barry

      Well, remember Miliband’s furious outrage in response to the Left’s promotion of ‘Ding Dong the Witch is Dead’ triumphalism after Thatcher died?

      No, neither do I.

      • CasualObserverK

        Austin Barry, you should really not let your anti-Miliband feelings get in the way of historical facts:

        9th April 2013, Ed Miliband, press release:
        “I categorically condemn any celebration of Lady Thatcher’s death”.

        Feel free to state that you stand corrected.

        • Nicholas chuzzlewit

          You are of course correct to quote Mr Milliband in this regard. Nevertheless, the same Ed Milliband was photographed laughing while standing next to women wearing ‘Ding’ Dong etc T-shirts. Thus in the interests of fairness you should also acknowledge the, at least, partial validity of Mr Barry’s point.

          • CasualObserverK

            He said he wasn’t aware of what the guy was wearing – he was doing the rounds with photos with attendees.

            And I believe him. You want to know why I do? Because Miliband is not politically stupid enough to want to be seen next to a guy with that t-shirt on.

            • Nicholas chuzzlewit

              I do not doubt the sincerity of your view. That said, Mr Miliband had his arm around the gentleman in question and thus would appear to be happy to be seen in his company. Even the least curious of people tend to take note of what is written on the T shirt of somebody in their immediate embrace and thus while you are entitled to your opinion I remain unpersuaded.

            • Tim Reed

              “He said he wasn’t aware of what the guy was wearing – he was doing the rounds with photos with attendees.”

              These T-shirts were sold at Labour party conference!
              Ignorance is no excuse!

        • telemackus

          We will take no lectures from the party, and it’s chief propagandist Campbell, who conspired in the deaths of an innocent man, Dr Kelly, and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Miliband’s father hated Britain as do most labtards (and libtards). If they don’t then why have they flooded it with millions of immigrants from antithetical cultures and addicted our young and poor to a life of welfare dependency? This holier than thou bullshit makes my gorge rise.

          • CasualObserverK

            What’s it got to do with Campbell? I’m not defending him. He’s a relic of New Labour – I’m confused why the media keep inviting him on. He doesn’t even work for Labour anymore.

        • Andy

          And Miliband was perfectly happy to be shown stood grinning with some Labour Party moron wearing a ‘T’ shirt which pictured a cross inscribed with the word ‘Thatcher’ under which was written ‘A Generation of Trade Unionists Will Dance of Thatcher’s Grave’.

          Ralph Miliband was an unrepentant scumbag Marxist, so the Daily Mail article was entirely within the bounds of fair comment. No one has challenged any part of the article for being factually incorrect: it wasn’t as well you know.

          • CasualObserverK

            You’ve confused factual inaccuracy with misinterpretation and misrepresentation.

            Being open: I’m a Labour supporter – but only recently, under Ed Miliband.

            I wasn’t a New Labour supporter, and I think Tony Blair should be in jail for war crimes. (Oh – and he was a fraud, and is singularly responsible for image focussed politics today).

            But I’m open to admit that people are guilty in all parties of shameful things. And other parties are right on other matters.

            What I can’t understand about a lot of Spectator readers (and I imagine you fall into the category), is they are so politically aligned down party lines they are literally blinkered.

            It’s bizarre.

            • Andy

              Where exactly is the Daily Mail’s ‘misinterpretation and misrepresentation’ ?? Ralph Miliband wrote what he wrote and never, as far as I’m aware, retracted that statement. As I said fair comment. The one here with blinkers on is you.

              • CasualObserverK

                I must be talking here to the only people in Britain, outside of the Daily Mail, who actually support the article. This is bizarre.

                • Andy

                  No, you are a typical sneering Labour Party member. Please tell us where the Daily Mail article misinterpreted and misrepresented Ralph Miliband’s views ?

                  As a 17 year old he wrote that diary entry after this country had saved his miserable and worthless life. Had he remained in Belgium, where he was born (although he was actually Polish) he would not have survived the war. Subsequently he was, as Lord Prescott has said, no fan of Parliamentary Democracy, nor indeed of Liberty, and remained a Marxist totalitarian like so many of his friends and so many on the Left. So yes you are bizarre not to see this simple point.

                • CasualObserverK

                  I refer you to those famous Marxists former Thatcher cabinet minister Lord Moore of Lower Marsh, Zac Goldsmith MP and that other rabid left-winger Micheal Heseltine.

                  Thatcher-ally Moore put it best:

                  “I saw him week after week and it beggars belief that the Daily Mail can accuse him of lacking patriotism. I never heard him ever say one word which was negative about Britain – our country. The Daily Mail is telling lies about a good man who I knew.”

                • Andy

                  You are still not telling us where the Daily Mail have misinterpreted and misrepresented Ralph Miliband’s views ? Are you saying Ralph Miliband didn’t write those words ?

            • Colonel Mustard

              You poor deluded fool. Miliband was a central player within New Labour, as were most of the opposition front bench. Blair has become their scapegoat. They loved him then but seek to distance themselves from him now. The real Master of Socialist Ceremonies was Brown and they are his protégés.

              Labour/New Labour. Same animal, different cloaking device. It is indeed bizarre that people are so willing to have the wool pulled over their eyes time and time again.

              • CasualObserverK

                New Labour are all but gone. Long live Labour.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Same old Labour.

            • Kennybhoy

              “What I can’t understand about a lot of Spectator readers (and I imagine you fall into the category), is they are so politically aligned down party lines they are literally blinkered.”

              You are not wrong but sectarianism is not confined to the “right”…

        • HookesLaw
          • CasualObserverK

            Oh yes – that cropped photo of Ed Miliband a group of guys (the rest conveniently cut out).

            He said he wasn’t aware of what the guy was wearing – he was doing the rounds with photos with attendees.

            And I believe him. You want to know why I do? Because do you seriously think Miliband is politically stupid enough to want to be seen next to a guy with that t-shirt on??

    • Mynydd

      Two wrongs don’t make a right.

      • Ian Walker

        But string a few million wrongs together and you’ll get The Left

    • HookesLaw

      I agree with the ‘dancing’ comment and the reluctance of nasty labour to distance themselves from it.
      Gatecrashing a memorial service is crass however. I think the use of the term ‘reporter’ in this context is rather overstating the mark. The link between some of the people employed by newspapers and the phrase ‘reporter’ is pretty tenuous.

      The plain fact is newspapers regularly behave like this, very often against innocent people, and in this case they have chosen a public figure (albeit a bumtious one) who can complain. Yet this is the same industry which the juvenile Mr Nelson and the Spectator demand be above independent legal regulation and go out of their way to make life difficult for a conservative PM in the process.

      The nutjobs and dumba$$ed Spectator need to take a long hard look at their slice of bread over breakfast and decide on whose side they want it buttered.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …well, it won’t be on you socialist Cameroonians’ side, laddie. You and your LibLabCon socialist soulmates can look elsewhere for support for you censorship regime. We conservatives aren’t interested.

        • HookesLaw

          Anyone is a socialist to you who is not an aryan wearing a white sheet over his head. You are an irrelavence round here.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            …actually, it is you Camerloons who are an irrelevance, lad, and your boy Dave will have his irrelevant head mounted on a spike, in 19 months time.

            • HookesLaw

              Say that again to all the usual suspects – you are saying that Miliband will be PM is 20 months time?
              Say that a bit LOUDER will you. Do at least serve some purpose laddie.

              • the viceroy’s gin

                Maybe you should wait ’til your boy Dave’s head is on that spike in 19 months, and ask him to say it louder. Just look up at that jelloid face and those lifeless eyes, and ask him and see what he says, lad.

                • HookesLaw

                  Not loud enough. LOUDER please – Miliband will be PM unless people vote conservative.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  As I say, lad, you’ll have to wait 19 months, and then you can ask Dave’s bespiked head.

                • HookesLaw

                  Not loud enough. You’re frit.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …maybe in 19 months, Dave’s head can unfrit you, lad.

                • HookesLaw

                  LOUDER!

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  …only 19 more months, and you and Dave’s head can have it as loud as you want, lad.

    • David Lindsay

      That was only his father, not himself. Of the same generation, Cameron, Gove and all of that crowd ought to have been made to wear their old Hang Mandela T-shirts to Thatcher’s funeral. Cameron ought to be made to wear his old Hang Mandela T-shirt to Mandela’s funeral.

      • HookesLaw

        More lies – keep it up.

        • David Lindsay

          What, the YCs in the Eighties never worse such garments? Oh, yes, they did.

          • HookesLaw

            You said Cameron and Gove. And the allegations were actually made against students in the now defunct (1986) Federation of Conservative Students in 1983 when Cameron would have been 17 and still at Eton. Gove would have been 16 and still at school in Aberdeen.

            Perhaps you will now follow the Mail on Sunday’s example and apoliogise for your obnoxious smear and lies.

            • David Lindsay

              I cited them only as examples.

              16 or 17 would have been quite old enough, anyway. Never mind that the entire Geoffrey Levy article hung on a diary entry written at the age of 17.

              And these things were by no means peculiar to the FCS. Nor are they now.

              • HookesLaw

                You cited them as an example – even though it was not true? So it was not an example.
                What a good socialist you are.
                ie you lied.
                Your final sentance is another made up lie.

                • David Lindsay

                  Desperate stuff, Hookie. You know that I am right.

                  Anyone of Cameron’s generation who was ever attracted to the Conservative Party must have been, among other things, a supporter of apartheid South Africa. The fact that he joined it when he did proves conclusively, and beyond reasonable doubt, that those were his views.

                • HookesLaw

                  I fear the desperation is from you. You lied. And now you scrabble around the last vestiges of truth like a demented squirrel.

                • Kennybhoy

                  Congratulations Maister Hooke. TVG and Young Maister L taken down in rapid succession.

                  Respect!

              • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                But this is a supposition on your part and you have no photographic or documentary evidence to support these accusations I assume.

          • Nicholas chuzzlewit

            But not necessarily messrs Cameron and Gove. Or do you have irrefutable proof as opposed to unsubstantiated suppositions?

  • McRobbie

    Me thinks he protest too loud..where was he at the hate maggie parties after her death? His background as a potential PM is fair game for examination as the DM has done.

  • Tony_E

    He got a lot of sympathy at first, but then I think people started to look a little deeper at who Ralph Miliband actually was, what he wrote, his associations with Hobsbawm and his devotion to Marx, some of the symathy eroded.

    Ralph Miliband was undoubtedly a Marxist, and when your avowed intent is to overthrow a country’s institutions, (the institutions which by their existance define the nature and character of it), it’s hard to draw the conclusion that you have any real love for it.

    But this is just trying to make a fight out of it political purposes, and I think he has miscalculated bady with it. Before this he might have taken the moral high ground, but this very public letter has exposed his tactical ploy.

    • Tom Tom

      Hobsbawm was another Jew born in Alexandria but brought up in Vienna and Berlin and came to England in 1933 having no real cultural association with England. Miliband was Belgian and came to England in 1940 at 16 again without acculturation. Hobsbawm’s works are pedantic and try to make facts conform to theory and having read nothing of Miliband’s I have no comment. I simply appreciate that foreigners find it hard to understand island nations and display crass insensitivity. That apart the influx of Jewish “intellectuals” has been a mixed blessing even in second and third generation – i am unclear as to how much of British life Oliver Letwin really comprehends and Lord Freud leaves me baffled at his crass stupidity.

  • Austin Barry

    A thought: Rothermere should respond much as Private Eye did in Arkell -v- Pressdram (1971).

    http://www.nasw.org/users/nbauman/arkell.htm

    • Tony_E

      Brilliant!

  • Peter Stroud

    So, the Press Complaints Commission is widely discredited, and not worth contacting. No doubt his close friends at Hacked Off would agree with that. I wonder what he, and they, really want in its place.

    • Wessex Man

      Pravda?

    • Colonel Mustard

      That is the real crux of this issue. The left see it as another cudgel with which to beat press freedom and to destroy those papers that don’t tow their line. This is orchestrated just before Leveson is regurgitated.

      One nation, one party, one leftist controlled press.

  • Austin Barry

    A deeply sinister and disturbing letter.

    Has Miliband read his Orwell?

    • telemachus

      If you had an ounce of compassion you would not write that

    • FrenchNewsonlin

      Indeed. Miliband, with his barely disguised threats, is positioning himself for a Privy Council outcome on Leveson to crown his (and Hacked Off’s) totalitarian efforts to control the press and clamp down on free speech. Leveson will in time come to be seen as one of Cameron’s worst possible moves.

    • HookesLaw

      This is the man you want to shoo-in to Downing St.

  • Bert

    Milimilkingit
    Faux outrage – the lefty way to silence others

    • CasualObserverK

      God I hate name-playing.

      • Colonel Mustard

        And yet you are jumping on the Milibandwagon.

    • HookesLaw

      re trotter
      Moore was well taught by Miliband. When he went to the USA he became a Democrat activist.
      (How can he repeat that umpteen times but I cannot get a reply in?)

      • David Lindsay

        Of course he did. The Democrats correspond to the British Conservatives.

        No American party corresponds to Labour: for example, which American party has ever tried to give America an NHS, or ever would?

        No British party corresponds to the Republicans: for example, which British party has ever openly attempted to dismantle the NHS, or ever would?

        The Tories are more or less covertly trying to do that now. But the party on course to win big in 2015 is publicly pledged to repealing that attempt.

  • Decaf T

    just confirmation that Miliband is milking it for all it’s worth.

    i don’t know why people think he’s being tough for this kind of thing when all he’s doing is aiming at the left’s favourite targets.

    • telemachus

      A ridiculous comment

      How would you like offensive comments to be splashed all over the internet with a picure of your fathers grave

      And then to have the memorial service of one of your dear relative to be invaded by the same parasites

      *

      The only good thing is that it gives a further opportunity for the world to celebrate one of the greats of endocrinolgy Professor Harry Keen CBE who sadly passed on in April

      Sir George Alberti, who worked with and knew Keen for 40 years, remembers him as a “truly remarkable individual”. “His contribution to world diabetes was enormous and his activities touched and improved the lives of countless people with diabetes world-wide,”

      • Austin Barry

        As always, Tele, you’re missing the point.

        • telemachus

          No Austin
          They have crossed the boundary of common decency
          Further, they have shot themselves in the foot with the Leveson regulations due to be discussed next week

          • Wessex Man

            When I see people dancing around bonfires, having street parties when Maggie Thatcher passed away, I don’t really have a lot of sympathy for Ed Miliband’s position now, especially remembering one of the idiots with a T-Shirt celebrating it with his arm around Miliband!

            • telemachus

              Those behaving badly after Mrs Thatchers death were equally reprehensible
              Whatever they wore

              • Russell

                And those next to them with their arm round them laughing their heads off like…erm….Miliband the hypocrite.

                • telemachus

                  This is about political commentators publishing offensive graveyard pictures
                  And worse those like yourself who support them

                • Russell

                  You can drop the standard lying socialist spin and smear on me! I have never said that I agree with the Mail publishing offensive graveyard pictures!
                  I agreed with a comment that a smiling laughing Miliband next to and arm round another moron from the Socialist party wearing that disgraceful T shirt was equally reprehensible
                  I know an apology from Socialists usually never comes, so will not expect to see one from you.

                • telemachus

                  No you will not
                  You are guilty of the same lies peddled by Dacre

                • telemackus

                  Only the servants of the national socialist movement are permitted to tell lies thus ensuring a 1000 years of British hating rule following Ralph’s doctrine.

                • Smithersjones2013

                  I’m not sure there are that many actually supporting the Mail’s actions and opinions on this. The premise of the attack on Ralph Miliband was tenuous to the point of absurdity and the subsequent shameful invasion of privacy an utter disgrace but we need to keep this in context both of the media of which the Mail is part and of the politicians of which Miliband is a leading member.

                  What the Mail has done whilst thoroughly disreputable is no worse than a thousand other acts of malevolence and deceipt by both political sides of our national media and given the company Miliband has kept for a decade or more (Brown, Balls, Whelan, McBride, Draper, Maguire, Simon, Watson, Prescott etc etc) its a bit late to start with the outrageous indignation over smearing. After all did he publicly condemn this moronic piece of outrageous sewer politics at the time?

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgM1TK_msVs

                  And Labour really tired hard to sweep every piece of media malfeasance under the carpet when it was in power. It was probably one of their most cowardly and self-serving derelictions of duty and they were derelict in almost everything they did so it was a gravely serious failure.

                  That said the left’s greatest character fault is their putrid, partisan and often extremely bigoted hypocrisy in just about everything they do and in this Miliband is playing to type type perfectly………

                • telemachus

                  But all the Tory Ladies will go out and buy the Dacre News in the morning

                • telemackus

                  My wife now buys the Daily Mail to read the truth about the disgraceful anti-British Milibands.

                • Kennybhoy

                  Amen.

              • Smithersjones2013

                Those wishing her death before her sad passing are also equally reprehensible:

                http://orderorder.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/deadthatcher.jpg?w=480&h=310

                • telemachus

                  Absolutely
                  Attack the reprehensible policies but not the messenger

            • Tom Tom

              A private event in Guy’s Hospital for Dr Keen is now available for Daily Mail intrusion ? Really ?

          • Tom Tom

            They have shown that Paul Dacre needs an early bath. He is 65 and was such a close associate of Gordon Brown that he is discredited
            “I feel he is one the very few politicians of this administration
            who’s touched by the mantle of greatness… I think he is a genuinely
            good man…of enormous will-power and courage.” Paul Dacre, editor of the Daily Mail on….wait for it….Gordon Brown”

            http://iaindale.blogspot.co.uk/2006/04/is-paul-dacre-still-gordon-brown.html

            • telemachus

              The fact that he sometimes speaks the truth does not excuse this

        • trotters1957

          From the telegraph “A former Conservative minister who was once taught by Ralph Miliband said it “beggars belief” the Mail could accuse him of a lack of patriotism. Lord Moore of Lower Marsh, who served under Margaret Thatcher, studied at the LSE. He praised

          Mr Miliband as a “great academic”, adding: “I never heard him ever say one word which was negative about Britain.”

      • Colonel Mustard

        You splash offensive comments all over this site every day. You smear anyone who dissents from your leftist orthodoxy with pejorative labels.

        Hypocrite.

        • arnoldo87

          Priceless.

          • telemachus

            Not priceless
            Anyone who so clearly supports Dacre really should examine their moral compass

            • HookesLaw

              You mean his friend Gordon Brown?

              ‘Dacre’s close relationship with Gordon Brown is a curious one, … and, according to Brown’s political allies, based on a genuine friendship.’

              http://www.theguardian.com/media/2008/nov/09/paul-dacre-daily-mail

            • Bert

              “Moral Compass” was rendered worthless by Gordon Brown.

              • telemachus

                Gordon was one of the truly honest individuals who held high office in a century
                Further he gave us the longest period of untrammelled prosperity before Lehman blew the world off course

                • ButcombeMan

                  GORDON BROWN BIG LIE
                  “The problems came from the USA, and this is a global problem”.

                  Most of the UK’s problems were home grown. UK Regulators and the Bank made the same type of mistakes the US authorities made, but they did not import them. Northern Rock was a British bank lending British money to British customers under a British Regulator. It was NOT brought down by sub prime US mortgages.
                  (John Redwood-blogging)

                • telemachus

                  Britain is a mere minnow in a sea dominated by the Wall Street Juggernaut
                  We were fortunate indeed that we had Gordon at the helm to rescue the world’s banks from Greenspan’s folly

            • Smithersjones2013

              How is it then that the creator of that moral compass Gordon Brown was a good friend of Dacre’s and shared many walks in St James Park with him apparently?

              I’d stick to the Teletubbies if I was you………

            • ButcombeMan

              I would have a morsel of sympathy for Red Ed if he had not stooped to, indeed utterly lowered himself to use this letter for what he must think is political point scoring. Why has he made the letter public, why did he say this?

              eg “bigger issues for the people of Britain in the midst of the worst cost of living crisis for a century”.

              Millipede is just pathetic, he can dish it out, he does. He is utter slime. He and the Mail deserve each other.

              Millipede with his bosses -Balls and McKlusky, wants to take Britain back to the dark days, pre Thatcher, when Union Power & Marxism nearly broke us. All those people who lost their jobs then, were surely having a bigger personal “cost of living crisis” than people now. Ed’s father was probably enthusiastically supporting all that was so mindlessly done to Britain.

              Labour (for which read the Unions) chose the wrong brother. They wanted a puppet , they apparently got one.

              • telemachus

                No
                You do not read Unions for Labour
                Ed M to his eternal credit has cut the financial umbilical cord
                He has a strong moral sense of what is right and is not afraid to act

                • ButcombeMan

                  “You do not read Unions for Labour ”

                  You are not reading the runes. Ed will have been told by wiser heads that he has to give something back for that.

                  He is doing, it is called socialism.

                • telemachus

                  Yes
                  You and we are getting there

            • Colonel Mustard

              I do not “support” Dacre. I attack the Miliband dynasty and their bandwagon. My enemy’s enemy is my friend.

              • telemachus

                Which is why I love Nigel Farage

                • Colonel Mustard

                  I’m not interested in your stalking infatuations.

            • Andy

              You supported Gordon the Moron Brown.

          • Colonel Mustard

            Ah, but you see Mr notorious arnoldo87, even if we were to accept your indirect fire as having some basis in statistical fact I do not fill these pages with continuous boasting about how reasonable and “caring” I am. I am a nasty Tory twirling my villainous moustache anyway. My wickedness is defined by the likes of you not by what I write. That is the difference.

        • trotters1957

          A former Conservative minister who was once taught by Ralph Miliband said it “beggars belief” the Mail could accuse him of a lack of patriotism. Lord Moore of Lower Marsh, who served under Margaret Thatcher, studied at the LSE. He praised

          Mr Miliband as a “great academic”, adding: “I never heard him ever say one word which was negative about Britain.”

          • Colonel Mustard

            Well he certainly wrote more than one word.

            • Tom Tom

              So, is Britain above criticism ? Next you will be complaining about George Mikes and George Orwell and heaven forfend you think of Gandhi and similar secular saints……

              • Colonel Mustard

                “So … (I’ll re-write your comment)” responses are so tedious. Did I write anywhere that I think Britain is “above criticism”?

                No, actually.

    • trotters1957

      A former Conservative minister who was once taught by Ralph Miliband said it “beggars belief” the Mail could accuse him of a lack of patriotism. Lord Moore of Lower Marsh, who served under Margaret Thatcher, studied at the LSE. He praised

      Mr Miliband as a “great academic”, adding: “I never heard him ever say one word which was negative about Britain.”

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