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The EU and UN have made fools of themselves

11 September 2013

9:33 PM

11 September 2013

9:33 PM

Today has not been a good day for multinational organisations. Both the European Union and the United Nations have made fools of themselves. José Manuel Barroso’s claim that a European renegotiation would lead to another war on the continent revealed the warped mindset of the Eurocrat class. Indeed, if we’re talking about what’s likely to cause extremism to rise in Europe, austerity imposed on countries from the outside seems a more likely bet than powers flowing back to democratically elected national governments.

The United Nations’ embarrassment came from the absurd claim of its official Raquel Rolnik that the so-called bedroom tax, which isn’t actually a tax, infringed ‘human rights’. Now, there are 193 members of the UN and, I suspect, that even the most ardent critics of the coalition would have to concede that Britain is not in the problem half when it comes to social housing.

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  • Dougie

    Don’t know why everyone is criticising Barroso. If the UK leaves the EU, Germany will invade Poland – it’s obvious.

  • beat_the_bush

    He didn’t claim European renegotiation would lead to another war did he now James? Did he? Did he now?

    It seems you have to talk to some people like little kids to get them to own up to their rubbish.

    He made the connection, and one that is accepted by the vast majority of historians, that the European project has played a fair share in keeping the peace in Europe.

    Now you can say that NATO has ALSO played a role, but to say the EU has played no role is quite frankly absurd and infantile.

    It’s the trademark of eurosceptics who are so caught up in their euroscepticsm that they are willing to make tremendous leaps of logic.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      …is that “vast majority” anything like a “scientific consensus”?

    • NotYouNotSure

      He didn’t make a claim, he made the connection, care to elaborate on the difference ?

  • alabenn

    What has the world done to deserve a useless creature like this as their representative.

  • Makroon

    Nobody seems to know from where cometh Ms Rolnik.
    I wondered if she might be the latest stunt from the mad woman of Buenos Aires, but actually, she has a slight Brazilian accent, so one of Dilma’s cronies ?
    On the other hand, she has a slight physical resemblance to Sacha Baron Cohen ….

  • Colin Forbes

    It’s not exactly difficult for either organisation. And yet they continue to hoover up taxpayers’ hard-earned £££. People who work for either should be ashamed to go out in the street.

  • Redrose82

    There is only one bedroom tax – the community charge which increases in line with the size and value of ones house. The more bedrooms, the bigger the house, the more you have to pay. By and large of course, those on welfare have it paid for them. The spare room subsidy (to give it it’s proper name) is a fair and sensible measure.

  • DavidL

    The most telling point made by Ms Rolnik was that the “bedroom tax” would be retrogressive. In other words, she (like many on the left, and indeed in the EU) see the welfare state (and the welfare Bill) as a one-way rachet that can only increase, never decrease. After the great crash of 2008, the world has changed. Ms R. and her ilk just haven’t noticed yet.

  • salieri

    I listened with disbelief to that ghastly woman on Radio 4. Of course what she said was utter tosh but what was really stunning was the way she said it (and was encouraged by the BBC to say it): strident, hectoring, patronising, arrogant, smug, exaggerated, witless, self-important, childishly over-simplified, repetitiously assertive and devoid of fact or reasoned argument. The voice of the modern Left, in other words.

    • Fergus Pickering

      Too right sport. Who paid her airfare?

    • Colonel Mustard

      It is those sort of people who infest every NGO, quango and fake charity, all scheming away to impose their vision of cultural marxism through the network facilitated by that well known facilitator of “leading beyond authority” – all for our own good of course.

    • John Clegg

      Didn’t you like her then?

  • GUBU

    A ghastly photograph of an apparently ghastly woman, although for a brief moment I did think I was staring at the disinterred corpse of Marjorie Proops.

  • MirthaTidville

    Interestingly Barrosso also said that he thought UKIP would be the winner at the next Euro elections and blamed Cameron for adopting a eurosceptic line (if only)…then went on to say `why would people vote for second best when they can vote for the real thing`……probably the only intelligent thing this former maoist has ever uttered

    • e2toe4

      I really didn’t understand that bit of the speech…he was criticising Cameron for not being anti-European enough?
      Maybe the Bureaucracy is getting rattled, although surely if they don’t like the elections they can simply send us all back to vote again until the correct result is produced as usual?

  • Lady Magdalene

    Both unelected; both unaccountable to the Parliament, let alone the people, they claim the power to pontificate about; both left-wing agitators; both irrelevant.
    Ignore them now – and ensure we CAN ignore Barroso and his successors by getting OUT of their corrupt, anti-democratic oligarchy whilst we still can.

    • Dean Jackson

      It is because they are unelected that they are immune from Communist tentacles from Moscow, witness earlier this year the European Commission’s deft trick in absconding with Moscow’s espionage monies lying in Cyprus’ banks! Quite a coup, and made Moscow furious.

      It’s now time to bring the European Central Bank (ECB) to Brussels, and place it under the protection of the European Commission, because in its current location of Frankfurt, Germany it is undermined by Stasi agent Chancellor Angela Merkel and her Stasi vigilantes, who threaten ECB officials into sabotaging the Eurozone economies.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        …and you think it’ll all be better if the Brusselscrats control things?

      • Wessex Man

        are you drunk?

      • Fergus Pickering

        Quite barking.

      • Colonel Mustard

        “It is because they are unelected that they are immune from Communist tentacles from Moscow”

        Ha ha ha! The “tentacles” let go of Moscow around 1989 and set up shop in, amongst other places, the European Commission. They pinched the “espionage money” because they felt entitled to it, having been its beneficiaries for year on year since about 1968.

        Look not to the tentacles but to the octopus itself. It has been here all the time, changing colour but not intent.

        • Dean Jackson


  • mrsjosephinehydehartley

    Everybody’s entitled to an opinion. I should imagine these two are on solid ground,really. I should take them very seriously.

  • Dean Jackson

    The article reads, “Indeed, if we’re talking about what’s likely to cause extremism to rise in Europe, austerity imposed on countries from the outside seems a more likely bet than powers flowing back to democratically elected national governments.”

    Well, James Forsyth scores a coup! On-target, old boy! I’m impressed!

    Indeed, the European Central Bank’s low interest rate policy is preventing net investment, preventing a recovery of Eurozone economies. And why is the ECB sabotaging Eurozone economies, you ask? Because Moscow wants the disbanding of NATO, which will collapse soon after the collapse of the austerity-ridden EU.

    For those unfamiliar with this subject, the “collapse” of the USSR in 1991 was a strategic ruse under the “Long-Range Policy” (LRP). What is the LRP, you ask? The LRP is the “new” strategy all Communist nations signed onto in 1960 to defeat the West with. The last major disinformation operation under the LRP was the “collapse” of the USSR in 1991. The next major disinformation operation under the LRP will be the fraudulent collapse of the Chinese Communist government. When that occurs, Taiwan will be stymied from not joining the mainland.

    • Wessex Man

      are you mad?

      • Colonel Mustard
      • Dean Jackson

        Take a look at these pictures out of Russia…—Air/Antonov-An-12BK-PPS/1584360/L/


        Then for Russian Naval vessels, take a look at what’s still appended to the bows (enlarge picture):

        Those pictures were taken in 2009, 2011 and 2001, respectively, not before the “collapse” of the USSR. As you can see, the Soviet era nationality emblem of the Communist Party…the Red Star… is still present. That political symbol of the Soviet government would have been immediately removed in early 1992 if the “collapse” of the USSR were genuine. As the legal emblem of the USSR and the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, the Red Star emblem can only be present if Communists are still in power in Russia and the other 14 republics that made up the USSR.

        Now, for the main paper of the Russian Ministry of Defense…

        Google: ‘Krasnaya Zvezda’

        “Krasnaya Zvezda” is Russian (no kidding!) for “Red Star”, the official newspaper of Soviet and later Russian Ministry of Defense. The paper’s official designation is, “Central Organ of the Russian Ministry of Defense.” Note the four Soviet emblems next to the still existing Soviet era masthead, one of which pictures Lenin’s head!

        The fraudulent “collapse” of the USSR (and East Bloc) couldn’t have been pulled off until both political parties in the United States (and political parties elsewhere in the West) were co-opted by Moscow & Allies, which explains why verification of the “collapse” was never undertaken by the West, such verification being (1) a natural administrative procedure (since the USSR wasn’t occupied by Western military forces); and (2) necessary for the survival of the West. Recall President Reagan’s favorite phrase, “Trust, but verify”.

        Now you know why the hated Communist Red Star is still placed on the bows of NEW Russian Naval vessels (and the wings of Russian military aircraft), and why the “electorates” of the 15 republics that made up the USSR continue to “elect” for President Soviet era Communist Party Quislings. There have been 52 such Presidential “elections” since the “collapse” of the USSR, resulting in 40 Soviet era Communist Party member Quislings being elected. That’s 76.92%! If the “collapse” of the USSR were legitimate not one such Quisling would have been elected President. In fact, such persons would have been either arrested in the interests of national security or shunned by society. Remember, Communist Party members made up no more than 10% of the USSR, and it was they who for 74 years persecuted the remaining 90% of the population.

        Now you also know why immediately after the “collapse” of the USSR the United States wasn’t given Russia’s strategic nuclear weapons, including delivery vehicles, for safe keeping! Imagine that, the freed Russian people not ensuring their freedom against a Communist counter-coup with the assistance of Chinese PLA ground and air forces backing up Soviet Special Forces and Airborne Guards. If the “collapse” of the USSR had been real, then a freed Russia, for national security reasons, would have ensured that its nuclear weaponry was secured by United States military elements. That no such actions were taken proves that (1) both American political parties were co-opted by Moscow & Allies; and (2) the United States Armed Forces were not co-opted, otherwise elements of America’s armed forces would have been deployed to Russia in order to pretend to safeguard Russia’s nuclear weapons.

        In addition, the KGB agent Quislings that controlled the Russian Orthodox Church before the “collapse” of the USSR are to this day still in control! They were never identified and thrown out of that institution after the “collapse” of the USSR! The same is true for the other 14 republics of the USSR, including East Bloc nations.

  • Mynydd

    In America it took a civil war to resolve where political power lies. The north wanted the enough power at the centre to enable it to control the states, The south wanted the states to enough power to stop absolute control from centre. The slave trade was the match that lit the gunpowder. There is now a similar situation in the EU. José Manuel Barroso, and others, want enough power at the centre to enable it to control the member countries. Mr Cameron, under pressure from UKIP, want the member countries to have enough power to stop absolute control from the centre. This political battle has to be resolved, but who knows which match will blow the EU apart.

    • rtj1211

      Barroso wants a lot of money without any accountability.

      Question is: where could he possibly get it other than at the EC???

    • Makroon

      So, the match “that lit the gunpowder” of the American civil war was “the slave trade” was it ?
      Who told you that, Diane Abbot ?

    • Colonel Mustard

      And Barroso will then get the war he fears. People will only be pushed so far and all dictatorships end in blood.

  • dalai guevara

    “Austerity imposed on countries.”
    10kg bags of rice, now sold at Tescos Express.
    Rochdale/Glasgow/Bury/Liverpool/Newcastle/Oldham (not small places for those bubble denizens out there) look just like Bosnia, still – after the Serbs came for tea.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      That post is a masterpiece of stupid.

      Suggest you go find an agent. You need to turn professional with this. A stupid this profound can’t remain amateur forever.

      • Andy

        Are we to be spared nothing ?

      • dalai guevara

        You noticed my face lift?
        I now do t-shirts, and full scale ads on building sites. I am everywhere.
        Life is a cabaret, old son.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          Add a bit of stupid twerking to this and you’ll be up there with Miley Cyrus. I’m telling you, your brand of stupid can take you to the top, lad.

          • dalai guevara

            I will. I am everywhere, and most importantly, in your head.

            • the viceroy’s gin

              But you gotta stay on the stupid, lad. You can’t lapse. It’s a branding thing. But from the looks of things, you shouldn’t have any problems with that.

              • dalai guevara

                The girls love it, all of voting age, of course. Beats your vacuous grey face hands down.

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  Yes, the stupid twerking will help you with all the right people.

        • Hexhamgeezer

          a cabernet shurely?

          • dalai guevara

            Nope, last night’s opera house showing.

    • Tony Quintus

      You’ve been able to buy large bags of rice and pasta in the UK for decades, city centre supermarkets used to stock catering tins too, and the people who buy much of it are the white middle classes who know how to keep a well stocked pantry.

      • dalai guevara

        Mate, I’ve got a wine cellar. I will survive WW3.

    • rtj1211

      Go to a Chinee supermarket and you’ll get them in London. Go on, try the one on the N Circular just NE of Hangar Lane. I bought one there in the 1990s. And a lot cheaper than it was than buying twenty 500g baglets in Sainsbury’s too.

      • dalai guevara

        yes, of course you can buy them at an Asian supermarket, Tesco EXPRESS is the key word here. The chaps who buy them when I am in the queue also buy another item…wait for it…lottery tickets.

        • Wessex Man

          I wish you were like fine wine and mature well, sadly you are like milk and go sour.

          • dalai guevara

            Where is Wessex? Somewhere nice?

    • Hexhamgeezer

      10kg bags? At an Express? You sure? The biggest I can get at my Tesco Extra is a 5kg one.

      Sounds like you post from your wine cellar. Left for wine, Right for beer n’ whisky sez I.

  • JonBW

    I want to know how much UKIP are paying Barroso, because he’s worth hundreds of celebrity endorsements.

    Either that, or he actually wants a Brexit.

  • Curnonsky

    “Who stole my apples?”

  • toco10

    Both demented left wingers although Barroso is certainly the prettier of the two.

    • HookesLaw

      Rolnik is an academic architect from south america. I suggest she has an agenda. Probably several agendas.
      What she does not have is any qualifications to spout at us – who spend billions on housing benefits – and ignore her own shanty towns.

      • Daniel Maris

        Presumably a Syrian Christian might respond in similar fashion to be being lectured on human rights by UK representatives.

        • rtj1211

          Actually, that one goes to RT, the russian TV station.

          Quite interesting hearing the jousting between them and US/UK officials.

          • the viceroy’s gin

            Yes, RT is raucous these days. The globalists are fighting back on RT now, however. I watched some Australian right to protect lawyerly type today, and he overwhelmed the Russian “Oksana” gal, who’s usually pretty stalwart. But the usual US/UK government drones always get skinned nicely, and that’s fun to watch.

  • Smithersjones2013

    If our own coalition is remote and out of touch what chance a pan continental or global organisation? It only goes to demonstrate the futility and delusion (not to mention the mediocrity and worthlessness) of the political elites of this world.

    The only wonder left is that our political class insist on still clinging to the very same deranged aspirations as their international pals

    • HookesLaw

      Our own coalition is not out of touch.
      But you are.
      And you are an absurd prejudiced bigot

      • Alexandrovich

        Ever thought of expanding your vocabulary?

      • Two Bob

        Erm Nick Boles has recently said we must encourage development in our national parks. Out of touch 100%.

        Insulting people like you do just proves you have no case. Insults are the last desperate line of defense.

      • James Strong

        And the 2013 prize for the comment that is simulataneously:
        gratuitously rude
        goes to HookesLaw.

      • Colonel Mustard

        There is at least one absurdly prejudiced bigot round here but it isn’t Mr Smithersjones2013. . .

      • Smithersjones2013

        Well look at the votes for our comments. Mine is net +45 (I assume that you were the single negative vote on my comment) and yours is net -12. I think that says who the majority think is the ‘absurd prejudiced bigot’. Why don’t you and your supporters (look in the mirror and you will see them all) find a telephone box to meet in? You really are a sad piece of detritus…..

        • Fergus Pickering

          I’ve done my little best to redress the balance. Your remark seems to me rather twerpish.

  • Span Ows

    Is anyone really surprised by either of these issues? Does the UN even realise what the adjustment of benefit to mirror that of renters of private housing? Leave the EU and condemn the UN for the corrupt snake pit it really is.

    • telemachus

      How can we be surprised
      What Barroso says is true
      The EU was conceived and formed in the face of 2 global wars, generated in the heart of Europe
      Remember ye the recent events in Bosnia and Kosovo
      There are many flashpoints further west
      Think about the ethnic divide in the country of the Capital(Belgium)
      We are beginning to see resentment in France at the economic might and power of Germany
      There are those who believe the agenda of UKIP is sinister

      • Andy

        What Barroso said was NOT true, as well you know. They, like you, all sit there thinking that their grand schemes have brought peace and plenty, when actually they are busy creating the opposite – war and famine.

        And yes we do remember what happened in the Balkans. Did the EU rush to solve the matter ? No. They helped to create it. What brought matters to a close were the actions of those hated Brits and Yanks.

        What is ‘sinister’ here is the agenda you and your fellow Fascists have shoved down the throats of the people who neither want nor asked for your demented Fascist State that you build with such incompetence.

        • Shazza

          Totally agree Andy. These fascists actively encouraged a far more aggressive ideology to take up residence in great numbers in our midst. The Trojan horse is here and is primed and almost ready to take possession and destroy our hard fought for freedoms and democracy. There will be far worse conflict in the not too distant future and brought to you courtesy of the likes of Barroso, Blair, Brown, Straw and the ostriches with their heads buried in the sand that currently occupy Westminster. The EU has not learned the lesson of the Balkans, USSR etc when people of different cultures/religions and nationalities are forced by politically drawn maps, to live together. Oil and water do not mix.

          • telemachus

            Make no mistake
            The EU saved the iberian’s and Ireland from chaos when their economies collapsed
            We would have had another famine in Ireland when their banks collapsed without the EU
            As for Greece they would have been back with the Colonels
            The French are beginning to stir against the German Juggernaut as in 1911-14 and 1936-9
            We want no more Butchers of Lyon

            • Wessex Man

              You are either a very good comedian of an half-wit, I would hope it was the former but sadly suspect that having read your comments it’s the later.

              • e2toe4

                A good comedian??

            • Colonel Mustard

              “The EU saved the iberian’s and Ireland from chaos when their economies collapsed”

              Ha ha!

              That was a cute little lie,
              Tell us another one,
              Just like the other one,
              Tell us another one do.

              • dalai guevara

                You gamble, you lose Colonel
                the Irish HAVE TO face the music.
                I also vividly remember the Darth Vader helmets in Spanish Parliament. No way will the return.

      • Two Bob

        Britain leaving it is NOT going to cause another world war.

      • Colonel Mustard

        “Remember ye”

        Oh, FFS, telemachus, that cod 16th century Matthew Hopkins speak is tedious beyond belief, conveys no gravitas to your predictable boasting and just makes you sound even creepier.

        One need look no further for a sinister agenda than that Marxist idiot Barroso and the rest of the nasty, authoritarian commies now calling themselves “social progressives”.

      • Fergus Pickering

        What is sinister about UKIP, love? In whose pay is Nigel Farage?

      • jp99

        Twaddle. NATO assured the peace of Europe, not the EU, which was a free trading area/economic association until the late 80s. The EU and the UN are past their sell by dates, and have been infiltrated massively by the Left/Green Left.

  • Chris

    See excellent article on Barroso’s State of the Union address on: There can be no doubt from Barroso’s address about the nature of the European project/blueprint, and the direction the EU is heading. Surely Cameron can see that any powers regained will be insignificant? See excerpt from Barroso’s speech, thanks to eureferendumblog website (link above):

    “…..So we have mapped out, in the Commission Blueprint for a deep and genuine Economic and Monetary Union, not only the economic and monetary features, but also the necessities, possibilities and limits of deepening our institutional set-up in the medium and long term. The Commission will continue to work for the implementation of its Blueprint, step by step, one phase after the other.

    And I confirm, as announced last year, the intention to present, before the
    European elections, further ideas on the future of our Union and how best to
    consolidate and deepen the community method and community approach in the
    longer term. That way, they can be subject to a real European debate. They will
    set out the principles and orientations that are necessary for a true political

    • rtj1211

      And, I am sure, that Barroso would not dare submit his vision to electoral consent.

      A true autocrat.

      The only question is whether autocracy is the prelude to kleptocrat, whether both already pertain or whether, for the first time in history, benevolent autocracy is before us…..

    • Makroon

      Barroso is a popinjay. You really don’t have to take him seriously, you know. It will only frighten the children and the horses.