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Scottish voters don’t like independence, their Parliament, what it does or the leaders

9 September 2013

6:23 PM

9 September 2013

6:23 PM

What do Scottish voters think about the Scottish Parliament? Nothing particularly pleasant, according to Lord Ashcroft’s latest polling. The Tory peer has asked 12,000 Scots over the last few months what they think about their Parliament, the work it undertakes, its leaders and the notion of independence. The resulting picture isn’t a very happy one.

Firstly, the role of the Scottish government. Just 14 per cent claim to have a ‘very good idea’ of how power is divided up between Holyrood and Westminster, while 40 per cent claim to have ‘very little idea’. Just over half think  Scottish Parliament elections are of equal importance to Westminster and 18 per cent believe it is more important. Not exactly a vote of confidence for an institution looking for more powers.

On the work of the Scottish Parliament, nearly half think independence is its main priority, compared to 7 per cent who believe it is focusing on the economy and jobs:

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Over half believe the Scottish Parliament should have a different priorities and out of those who think it has the wrong priorities, 41 per cent think economy/jobs should be the main focus.

Just 6 per cent think one of the main achievements (since devolution in 1999) has been standing up and being a voice for Scotland, compared to 27 per cent for fighting for free prescriptions. Interestingly, while the independence referendum has been framed around standing up for Scotland and its people, the Parliament is seen as having done a poor job at that very task since devolution.

The figureheads in the Scottish Parliament are generally not well liked either. The SNP’s Alex Salmond, Tory Ruth Davidson and Lib Dem leader Willie Rennie are all viewed unfavourably while Labour’s Johann Lamont comes off slightly better:


Finally on the big question, 65 per cent state in Ashcroft’s survey that Scotland shouldn’t be independent vs 26 per cent who believe it should. The question is whether the Scottish Parliament is unpopular because it doesn’t have enough powers or whether voters don’t care about it having powers. If the latter is true, then it’s not exactly a boost for the SNP’s quest for independence.

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  • Kenny Fletcher

    if im a scot living in england can i vote for or would i need a address in scotland?

  • ButcombeMan

    Personally I do not care if the Jocks, stay or go.

    I just wish they would stop their whingeing.

    Salmond? .

    My view of him is that is he a racist or pretends to be one for his own agenda -which is surely all about Salmond?

    In Scotland, he is a large fish in a small pond.

  • David Booth.

    If, God forbid, the SNP win the referendum Scotland should prepare itself for 50 years of blaming the English for the fact that the SNP’s Promised Land fails to materialise.

  • David Booth.

    Let me think???? YES!!!
    Actually walking around the place I was struck at just how tatty the fabric of the building was and suspect it will not belong before it is condemned with the mantra of all second rate politicos as “Not Fit For Purpose” and can we a another building please.

  • Colin Forbes

    I simply can’t imagine why the Scots wouldn’t vote for their own independence. Another poll shows that most of us who live in England would. Come on Scots – what are you afraid of? The big bad wolf?? Why stayed yoked to England and Westminster when you could fly free? Did all those who fell at Flodden Field die in vain?
    I think 30th November has the ring of Independence Day about it.

  • Jambo25

    And yet funnily enough Salmond has higher approval ratings (Much higher actually:) as does Sturgeon than any of their opponents. Stranger yet, the SNP are running well ahead of the other parties in terms of voting intentions. Are we sure Lord Ashcroft’s methodology is sound?

  • rtj1211

    The chances of Lord Ashcroft carrying out an unbiased poll are zero. Everything Ashcroft does is with a goal in mind and every poll carried out is part of that goal.

    For anyone to base their judgements about what people purportedly believe on the single greatest funder of the conservative party marks them down as delusional.

  • evad666

    And the onward march of the EU plan to create UK provinces continues a pace.

    http://ec.europa.eu/regional_policy/conferences/od2009/img/sources/0329_OD_Map_A4-Web.jpg

    • rtj1211

      Strange that map has a large part of Germany and a large part of France as slngle regions, isn’t it??

      Everything else is balkanised but the French and German powerhouses remain as large, unbroken wholes.

      Reason enough to vote it down, isn’t it?!

    • MichtyMe

      If this map is an EU plan why does it include countries which are not part of the EU?

  • Hexhamgeezer

    Shouldn’t the survey have asked if voters understood the division of powers between Edinburgh, London and Brussels? Framing the question as a Scotland/Britain split is surely clouding the issue.

    • rtj1211

      Maybe Salmond has found enough people in Europe who will say ‘mine enemy’s enemy is my friend’ to give Scotland favoured treatment??

      Just saying………

  • allymax bruce

    Nearly half of the Scottish Parliament are political impostets; ‘list’ msp’s. Nobody voted for them, they are unrepresentative, and unaccountable to/of the Scottish people..
    The farce gets worse; two Party leaders, Lib-Dem’ Willie Rennie, and Tory Ruth Davidson, are ‘list’ msp’s!
    This farce, list msp’s, must be abolished for Scotland’s next election in 2016.
    Imposters like Willie Rennie, Ruth Davidson, and Kezia Dugdale, were never elected by the Scottish people, thus are not representatives of the Scottish people.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      …what, do they bathe too often, or what?

      Don’t eat enough deep fried chocolate?

      Not enough nose and ear hair visible?

      What? What is it? No ferret-leggers in that mix? Are they caught sober too often?

      😉

      • allymax bruce

        If you’re referring to the list msp’s, then yes, probably!
        When I say I pray for our Scottish Parliament, I’m not joking!
        :)

    • Angus_MacLellan

      The “Exterior minister” – Humza Yousaf MSP – has never won an election in his life. He was propelled into SNP politics by his uncle and put at the top the List, before Salmond appointed him in the above post. On top of that, he’s never done real work in his life bar a summer job in a Scottish Power call centre after graduating with a degree in politics. He is a product of the party and state machine. ( Oh, and has converted his Scottish wife to Islam).

      • allymax bruce

        Angus, there’s a deficit of Democratic representation on all sides; so, let’s get rid of list seats. Yes?

      • terregles2

        He has converted his Scottish wife to islam? What point are you making there?

        • Tom M

          I think he is making the point that he has converted his Scottish wife to Islam. What point do you think he made?

          • terregles2

            I wasn’t sure what point he was making that is why I asked. I still don’t know what religion anyone’s wife follows has to do with their politics.

      • Jambo25

        it’s better than converting his wife to run on natural gas.

    • rtj1211

      They are elected by people voting for a party.

      Voting for a individual in FPTP isn’t a panacea you know.

      The system used ensures that smaller parties with a legitimate voice but below the level necessary to win a seat outright are represented.

      If you are against that, you are against democracy.

      It wouldn’t surprise me if you were: the one thing I know about those who feel entitled to wield power is that the voice of the people is irrelevant.

      All you care about is a cosy oligarchy where you and your chums can rule at the taxpayers’ expense.

      • MichtyMe

        FPTP would rid the parliament of the minor and extremist parties and with the votes as in the last election Scotland could have a not just an SNP administration but an entire SNP parliament.

      • allymax bruce

        Yeh, as MichtyMe says.
        Besides, the electorate voting for political party’s, instead of candidates, is not Democracy; it’s Timocracy. That’s only one small step away from ‘Citizens United’ !
        Let’s get democracy back into Scotland; no to List seats!

        • Tom M

          It’s political parties.

          • allymax bruce

            If yoor english
            we Scots’, dae whit we want

            • Tom M

              …..and I’m Scottish.

              • allymax bruce

                Tom M, you’re obviously looking for an argument; or you are rather insecure in your self. Either way, your sanctimony comes over thick & fast.
                As a language, English is restrictive, nonsensical, & confounding; phonological it is not, but it is a hybrid of a mixture of ancient languages. Therefore, for you to claim a correction of English, as a language, appears idiotic & pedantic. Moreover, Scots, of which I happily use in mock of your English language, is a correct and accepted form/use of language, and a much more rich & enterprising language to use for Scots! But you can keep using your English language, even though you’re scottish!
                As a caveat to this argument, I’m actually right; it is Party’s. The context of grammatical discourse structure determines this basis. Sincerely, allymax.

  • Fraziel

    Salmond is the only leader with any clout and ability.The others are all under the thumb of London and thats probably why the SNP are the main force in Scotland now instead of the truly appalling Scottish labour party.The Scottish parliament is pretty awful in general though with quite low calibre members who indulge in petty squabbling and toon cooncil politics. its embarrassing to watch.I would not trust any of them and would prefer that they did not have the ability to raise tax and i certainly do not want them getting any more power. The no campaign is so far ahead that i think Westminster should now be ending any talk of a possible increase in powers if the vote is a no.

    • HookesLaw

      Ability?
      His ratings have been falling.

      • Fraziel

        They have but he has been in power for what is it now, 7 years? He has done well so far and is probably the only member of the Scottish parliament who would be capable of mixing it with the big guns in Westminster. His ratings are falling as he does come across as somewhat arrogant and opportunistic.No doubting his ability as a politician though and when you look at the alternative its a no brainer as to why people vote SNP. I dont support independence but i voted for him and probably would again as the idea of Scottish labour in power is horrifying.

        • terregles2

          Equally some people who have never voted for him are voting YES in 2014

      • Jambo25

        They are still well in advance of any of his competitors. That, incidentally, includes the Westminster leaders as well. That is despite an unprecedented series of personal attacks on him well covered by an overwhelmingly Unionist media.

        Incidentally, I find Mr. Payne’s article displays a lack of knowledge and understanding of Scottish politics and frankly some London based wishful thinking.

  • alabenn

    If the Scottish Independence vote has postal ballots its will be no, otherwise it will be close.

  • David

    And most of the politicians are fat, ugly and communists

    • Noa

      I don’t see why you need to bring the Coalition Front bench into this.

  • George Laird

    Dear All

    As you know I have always had a decent welcome from the readers of this board.

    I am standing for public office as the independent Councillor for the Govan Ward in Glasgow.

    Don’t laugh, I am giving this a go, because I think I can do the business for the people and get their problems dealt with as a full time councillor.

    Already, a smear campaign is in full flow on twitter @georgemlaird is a fake account setup in my name, using my picture and linking to my blog.

    This is worse than the campaign run against Peter Tatchell, wall to wall hate.

    My human and legal right to a fair and free election has been violated, needless to say, it is a cybernat, a braveheart who isn’t so brave to do it to my face.

    If you want to read why Scots won’t vote indy, it is because of trash like @georgemlaird.

    25% of Scots back indy, that will probably drop further, the ‘bravehearts’ pollute the waters of democracy.

    Yours sincerely

    George Laird
    The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

    • Noa

      Nice to see you back George.

      Good luck with the election campaign.

      • cyllan

        i am not…… all i remember from him is his pro arab, antisemite, multiculturalist rubbish.
        we got enough trolls already

    • Angus Ogg

      Ehm, the most recent Panelbase poll Aug 2013, YES 44%, NO 43%, DK 13%

      Panelbase was the ONLY pollster to accurately predict the SNP landslide in May 2011 and has had an exemplary record at predicting other events in Scottish politics. On the other hand, polls by Ipsos Mori, YouGov et al have been consistently a trip to Mars off track since devolution began, with not a single poll coming anywhere near there supposed ‘3% margin for error’.

      In fact, both Ipsos Mori and YouGov predicted a Labour win in 2011 right up until the week before the election that delivered an absolute majority for SNP, in a system designed to prevent any one party (read: SNP) achieving such.

      • Fraziel

        Wishful thinking. One rogue poll doesnt alter the fact that the yes vote is miles behind. You are kidding yourself on if you think otherwise. The yes campaign has been appalling so far with the SNP basically just making it up as they go along and saying anything to get peoples votes,so i would be utterly astonished if it was neck and neck ( and I am an SNP voter)

        • Angus Ogg

          Panelbase was the only pollster to accurately predict the SNP landslide in May 2011, and have maintained an exemplary level of accuracy in all other areas of Scottish politics.

          On the other hand, Ipsos Mori, YouGov et al, have yet to find a methodology to suit Scots politics. Since devolution, neither of these pollsters have come even close to the 3% margin of error target. In fact, both these pollsters were still predicting a Labour Holyrood win right up to the week before the election in May 2011.

          Not only did the SNP win that election, they won with an absolute majority; done so in a system designed to prevent any one party [read:SNP] achieve such.

      • Angus_MacLellan

        Panelbase is a nat supporting polling organisation.

      • teigitur

        I was in London at the weekend. The (Australian) Taxi Driver asked me how I would vote. No, I said. He replied that every single Scottish person he had asked in his cab had said the same. it is not going to happen.

        • terregles2

          Has he asked the same question while driving a taxi in Edinburgh, Inverness, Glasgow, Aberdeen Stirling, Dundee etc. ?

          • teigitur

            Why, of course.

      • Wessex Man

        ehm, The Scotsman 7th September, “Panelbase bans new members fron independence polls.”

        1st sentence reads,

        A leading polling organisation has banned new members from contributing to future polls on Scottish Independence amid concerns that it is being swamped by Nationalists seeking to “influence” the results.

        ehm, ah well!

    • Derick Tulloch

      George. You do come across as a tad eccentric

    • Angus_MacLellan

      They certainly poisoned the Scotsman newspaper comments section too – before they arrived it was quite a vigorous debating.

      PS: I see they have now singled out Alan Cochrane of the Telegraph for special treatment now.

      Good luck in your quest.

      • rtj1211

        I don’t think any DT journalists deserve any protection after what they have dished out all over the political rainbow since 2010. The vile bile they spawned in their comments sections has been by a country mile the most disgusting stuff in the UK media firmament.

        In fact a daily ‘bash the journalists’ outlet is in fact what is necessary to bring these poison pen bullies to their knees.

  • asalord

    Ashcroft’s polls are a joke.However,if they add to unionists’ self-delusion,let’s have more of them.

    • HookesLaw

      IPSOS MORI poll May 2013
      ‘Should Scotland be an independent country?’ – among those who have
      definitely decided how they will vote, 67 per cent said no compared with
      33 per cent who support the idea of independence.

      • Angus Ogg

        PANELBASE poll Aug 2013
        Of those who were certain to vote:
        YES 44%, NO 43%, DK 13%

        Panelbase was the only pollster to accurately predict the SNP landslide in May 2011, and have maintained an exemplary level of accuracy in all other areas of Scottish politics.

        On the other hand, Ipsos Mori, YouGov et al, have yet to find a methodology to suit Scots politics. Since devolution, neither of these pollsters have come even close to the 3% margin of error target. In fact, both these pollsters were still predicting a Labour Holyrood win right up to the week before the election in May 2011.

        Not only did the SNP win that election, they won with an absolute majority; done so in a system designed to prevent any one party [read:SNP] achieve such.

        Next?

        • Wessex Man

          oh dear stop peddling the Panelbase poll as accurate.
          The Scotsman 7th September “Panelbase bans new members fron independence poll.”

          1st sentence reads- A leading polling organisation has banned new members from contributing to future polls on independence amid concerns that it has been swamped by Nationalists seeking to “influence” the results.

          I take that to mean that it’s poll was even more unreliable than Ipos, Mori and YouGov!

          next?

  • Angus Ogg

    STV, ITV, BBC, Channel 4 and 5 – all refused to broadcast Tory Ashcroft’s poll due to its ‘questionable’ credibility.

    Enough said. Vote YES 2014.

    • Noa

      Unfortunately English voters do not have the opportunity to vote in this referendum on the dissolution of the Union, otherwise Scottish independence would be assured.

      • asalord

        When will Scottish unionists realise England wants to end the union?

        • Fraziel

          If wanting to jettison England and its inhabitants was the most important factor it would be a resounding yes.Sadly it is not.

          • telemachus

            If only for the fact that most Scots adhere to good Socialist principles we must keep the Union intact

            • Fraziel

              I dont think they do. They are mainly left of centre but thats a long way from socialist. One of the reasons i will be voting no is because i am horrified at the thought of socialists having any say in Scotland.Thankfully at the moment they have little.

              • telemachus

                But the Union will ensure successive Socialist majorities at Westminster

                • terregles2

                  Scotland does not change the government in Westminster please check the figures for Labour majorities since 1945 and you will see that is untrue.
                  We are a population of 5 million. The rest of the UK is 58 million.

                • telemachus

                  So explain to me the West Lothian question

                • Wessex Man

                  This should be interesting, unless she goes off on one!

                • terregles2

                  Well the West Lothian question is a separate issue. It is however a question easily answered by Scottish Independence.

            • allymax bruce

              telemachus, Scotland is voting Yes.
              Now, I’m more interested in what you, Labour, are going to do in an independent Scotland. Is Ian Davidson, Jim Murphy, Alexanders etc, all coming back? And, will you, Labour, try to steer Scotland back towards another union if you get into Scottish government?
              Ive never been mean to you here at Spectator, so I really would appreciate your reply. Sincerely.

              • telemachus

                Thanks allymax
                I would ask you a different question
                Just what would be the point of the SNP if Independence were achieved?
                To answer your question and to anticipate your answer to the above, I believe in the will of the people and there would be no turning back. However as the SNP wither there would be a perpetual Socialist State North of the Border
                However your premise is wrong and the referendum is lost

                • allymax bruce

                  Thanks for your reply, telemachus. Your answer brings encouragement to me; I also believe ‘no turning back’ is the right way forward. The point for Scotland being independent, is that we, Scots, Scotland, can take control over our own future, and move forward in this brand new 21st century, to a new and genuine Democracy. The world is ‘globalising’, corporations are taking control of ‘old-idealed’ Nation-States, and Europe is changing, geopolitically, and geographically, and Scotland must realise our independence now to avoid becoming another financially defunct shell like Greece, Spain etc. The EU is a certainty; either we enter into it owning our own future, or we are led into it being sold to the corporations. I don’t believe Scotland would become a ‘perpetual socialist state’; the economic drivers Scotland will utilise to strive forward in our renaissance Scotland would resist such a scenario. I’m not wrong; Scotland will vote Yes. It is written.

                • telemachus

                  You have not told me the purpose of the SNP after “possible” independence
                  It will surely wither and the heirs to Kier Hardie will triumph
                  However gladly for Westminster we will post 2014 still experience the magnificent contribution to our numbers from North of the Border

                • allymax bruce

                  My apologies, telemachus. The point of the SNP will be to continue in providing good government to Scotland, post independence. The SNP have been a breath of fresh air; the £13 billion McConnel handed back to his ubet-rich pals at Erstminster, was ‘hrard’ , and shuddered by, Cunninghame Graham. The True home of Scottish politics!
                  Robert Bontine Cunninghame Graham is watching; his vote, is Yes!
                  It is written.

              • chan chan

                What are you going to do when the vote comes up ‘no’?

                • allymax bruce

                  chan chan, that’s not going to happen.

                • terregles2

                  Probably the same thing that you will do when it comes up YES.

                • Wessex Man

                  and what exactly is chanchan going to do? do you think? Will he join us dancing in the street? Good luck with your vote, I rather think you are going to lose by a big margin, yet hope you win!

          • GUBU

            As ever, please remember to close the door on your way out.

            • Fraziel

              i might if i had even the slightest clue what you meant.

        • loftytom

          Actually the English people do not wish to see the union end.

          http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/10/scotland-independence-english_n_3898845.html

          A declining minority in both countries are in fovour of the end of the union/

          Facts are Chiels!

          • Wessex Man

            Well I’ve read the article and it’s headline says- Scottish Independence Backed by More English Than Scottish (who is their proof reader?)

            The fact is that Scottish Independence even in this British Social Attitudes survey is backed by more English people than Scottish. I see from their source material that this survey only used 3,000 people whereas the Mori poll nearly two years ago which showed 64% of English supporting Scottish independence was double the amount people asked their views.

      • HookesLaw

        You are dim. The whole plank of Salmond’s policy is to alienate the English and by that persuade the Scots that they are not wanted. That’s the only way he could possibly get a YES vote since its plain as a pikestaff that independence would ruin Scotland and has no credibility amongst its electorate otherwise.

        You have fallen for his trick. The nation is better united.

        The SNP is a one man band and once the referendum is lost then it will evaporate. A bit like Farage and the United Kingdom anti-Intelectual Party.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          …is Call Me Dave’s head going to evaporate, after it’s mounted on that spike in 20 months?

        • Noa

          I may be dim, HooksLaw, but you are the a*s.
          Where did I express my personal view on Scotland’s independence?
          As ever when you post, simply more witless braying from Cameron’s donkey.

        • terregles2

          You are forgetting that may political parties and many groups in Scotland are campaigning YES. People who have never voted SNP are still voting YES. We have the Greens, Labourforindy,SSP, Jimmy Reid Foundation,Solidarity,, Pensioners for Independence, Women for Independence, Artists for Independence, Small businesses for Independence and many more. We are now at the stage where there are more non SNP YES voters than there are SNP supporters.
          With respect people are not voting YES or No on the basis of whether they are liked in England. They are voting YES or No on what they see as the best future for Scotland. The SNP is no more a one man band than the tories or labour parties are.
          Scotland will not be ruined after independence it will merely be like every other country in the world. It will be independent and choose its own government.

          • Angus_MacLellan

            As you have inadvertently alluded to, the current independence movement is driven by rampant socialist’s, Marxists and greens, it doesn’t have the broad appeal necessary to make a breakthrough. The prospect of an independent socialist state headed by Chairman Salmond, fills most Scots with fear.

            • terregles2

              Well I don’t really know many Marxist Business people or Women they usually tend to be more conservative. That though is irrelevant as after independence Scots can choose from the same range of parties that they do now SNP,Labour Conservative etc only difference will be they will govern from Holyrood. That is hardly a revolutionary concept.
              .
              To call Salmond Chairman Salmond is as silly as referring to Chairman Cameron or Chairman Miliband. Salmond is First Minister by the same democrtic process as every other UK politician. He was voted in like every other First Minister.
              Scotland has PR so we would always have a government that reflects the political aspirations of the Scottish people. If the majority in Scotland are not Marxists then it would be impossible for them to have a Marxist government.

          • Fraziel

            And it will have to find approx 9 billion a year by way of tax increases or spending cuts as Scotland currently spends 9 billion more than it raises. With approx 22% of the work force in public sector employment and only 52% of people eligible to pay tax actually doing so, something has to give! If salmond gets Scotland into the EU, and then into the hated euro, he will not be able to reduce corporation tax to attract business either as the EU are planning to set a common corporation tax level. Scotland will be a high tax, high spend, high unemployment socialist country. A frightening prospect,unless you are on benefit of course.

            • terregles2

              Your figures are slighlly askew and do not really stack up. You need only check UK government figures to prove that. What you are saying is that Westminster government subsides Scotland and at the same time Westminster government are campaiging hard to keep hold of Scotland. The present UK government is many things but I do not believe they are stupid.
              Scotland is more than able to do well after independence it is a small country with many resources.
              If the reverse were true and Scotland is financed from England then that is even more of a reason to choose independence.
              I would find it unacceptable to scrounge off any other country.I have never claimed any benefits and I don’t know anyone who has. The idea of living from hard working English tax payers would be truly repugnant. Nobody likes a scrounger. As a Scot I would want to pay my way be independent and cannot understand how anyone would choose to do otherwise.

              • allymax bruce

                terregles2, you said, “nobody likes a scrounger”. I’m unemployed, homeless, in temporary accommodation, and financially bereft; am I your typified scrounger?
                I, like many many other people here in Scotland, are genuine people, looking to put our lives back on track; I don’t like being a ‘scrounger’, especially when people like you try to demean me. I’m very grateful to the people of Edinburgh, the Labour/SNP Edinburgh City Council, and the small, but welcome £70 a week jobseekers allowance. I try to give back to the community by volunteering for homeless committee’s, Christian homeless organisations, and residents associations; if there’s anything more you think I should be doing, please let me know. Sincerely.

                • terregles2

                  If you do voluntary work then you are obviously not a scrounger. You put in more than take out. I was not referring to individual people who have fallen on hard times and receive support and help until they get back on their feet. I would never denigarate anyone for having a run of bad luck and needing help.
                  The point I was making was that the people who say that Scotland is a poor country and needs to be subsised by England should be ashamed to be happy to let another country support them.
                  I don’t believe Scotland is poor and the UK government figures also show that this is not the case. Even Cameron is on record as saying Scotland could manage very well economically after independence.
                  I personally do not like being called a scrounger either who would? The people though who pretend that Scotland is subsidised by England are calling you me and everyone else who lives in Scotland scroungers is both untrue and insulting.

            • MichtyMe

              The UK gov spends £120 billion more than it raises, historically it almost always runs a deficit. A greater part of the Scottish population is economically active and the unemployment rate is lower than the UK average. And the per capita tax contribution to the UK Treasury is larger.

        • Daniel Maris

          Really, it’s an insult to the Scots to say they couldn’t cope with independence. With all their resources and their ability, I can’t see why they wouldn’t make a success of independence.

        • terregles2

          I think you are being rather condescending in you summary of the independence debate in Scotland. Salmond has presented his argument in favour of independence to the electorate. Alienating the English I can assure you is not part of the equation.
          A country choosing independence is hardly a new idea in the world and to suggest that anyone arguing for it needs to use tricks is really rather insulting.

        • Wessex Man

          Hooky, you show your own lack of intellect by so describing my party, I’ll lay with you that Call me Dave will be out of his job because of us, nothing to do with the SNP.

      • Spammo Twatbury

        The British Social Attitudes Survey, out today, shows that in fact you’re talking bollocks. Just 24% of English people want to see Scotland independent.

    • loftytom

      Dream on, as I said to bawjaws Salmond the other day, “Your @rse is out the windae Eck”.

      A translation is available for my anglo-saxon cousins.

  • Noa

    Given the general lack of interest in the activities in Horse Wynd and MSP leaders lack of popularity is it too late to add the following question to the 2014 referendum?

    “Do you want to abolish the Scottish Parliament and revert to direct government by Parliament?”

    • Vrai écossais

      What comes across from the Lord Ashcroft Poll is that the people of Scotland have no idea what the Scottish Parliament actually does or who the Scottish Government is. The press is wholly anglo-centric and anglo-philic – newspapers, BBC, magazine like this (many Scots, all London based and focused), so it is little wonder that the people do not know what the Scottish Parliament does as the people are never told about it.

      • telemachus

        Yes but who actually cares?

        • HJ777

          Yes, but who actually cares what you think?

        • telemackus

          We labourites certainly don’t care what the English think.. That’s why we imported all those Somalis and Africans and gave them British passports so that they would vote for labour. Some of them preferred to stay at home and spend their welfare money though. Next time we will give them more postal votes. He he he.

      • Noa

        Yes, that is a major issue. Such ignorance really is inexcusable, though it suits politicians who might otherwise be held to account by the electorate.
        A UK wide survey might well reveal a similar degree of ignorance about Westminister.

        • cyllan

          because all they do is play a game.
          “the i talk more posh than you”.
          they also play the “we are very concerned ”
          and balls just smiles like an i diot and make stu pid hand gestures
          nothing to do with voters ( working voters ) that is

      • cyllan

        yes they do what it does for them……it is called sucking the english dry..

      • P_S_W

        Really? Do the Scots in Scotland not have their own TV channels, newspapers and radio then?

        I’m fine with people living in England and based in England being relatively ignorant about something in a different country, but home-based Scots shouldn’t automatically have that excuse.

        • Vrai écossais

          All of the TV Channels and Newspapers are regional rather than national focused and all are based out of London.

    • John-Paul Marney

      My sentiments precisely.

  • Michael Case

    Is there something wrong with the leader favourability graph? The commentary claims Ruth Davidson is one of the unfavourably viewed leaders, but from the chart she has a stronger net positive than Lamont. As her bars only reach 80% or so overall, I’m guessing her unfavourable bar should be bigger at least?

    • Jambo25

      Don’t look at the net results. Look at total popularity. That’s what will motivate people to vote. Davidson and Rennie are disaster areas.

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