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The Tories bag Jim Messina

3 August 2013

11:19 AM

3 August 2013

11:19 AM

It’s a good time to be a Tory in Westminster at present. Labour is under pressure. The backbench dissenters have been quietened. Aides, hacks and spinners exude an air of confidence when you meet them in SW1’s watering holes. Even Boris Johnson reckons that David Cameron could yet pull it off in 2015.

Speaking of which, the party has captured the services of Jim Messina, a strategist who has worked with Barack Obama. He will whip CCHQ’s mercurial digital assets into shape and help to sell the government’s economic record.

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Aside from enjoying the benefit of Messina’s gifts, this is a PR coup for the ‘nasty party’. Observe the reaction of certain Labour figures:

 

Meanwhile, this morning’s papers are full of ‘Unite run the Labour Party’ stories after yesterday’s MEP selection. The Tories have got one of Team Obama; Labour has got Len McCluskey.


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  • http://owsblog.blogspot.com Span Ows

    50 messages missing?

  • the viceroy’s gin

    Messina was part of Obama’s lockstep connection to the Silicon Valley, and facilitated SV’s data turnovers for all of Obama’s campaigning and surveillance and espionage adventures, which are now being uncovered, slowly. Others’ data is considered their data, apparently, to be used for whatever reasons they deem necessary.

    And now, Messina will be helping the Cameroons in this splendid effort. Not surprising that this discussion has been cleansed of any mention of this. The Speccie teenagers have to support their paymasters, afterall. Where else could this lot find work?

    • dalai guevara

      Where else?

      Anywhere that supports the EU and green subsidies and opposes the development of the countryside and GM crops (who in their right mind would possibly worry about food poverty?)

      Quite a few options there…

      • the viceroy’s gin

        Cyrillic, lad. Go with the Cyrillic.

  • Peter Stroud

    The Grundian Twitter says all that needs to be said about the Left.

  • CHRISTOPHER WHITE

    Messina is brilliant but he was involved in the ‘outing’ of donors to conservative causes. The only reason for doing that is to facilitate some form of intimidation.

  • Shazza

    Why have all my comments disappeared?

    • CHRISTOPHER WHITE

      The ‘moderation’ process has either been made more restrictive or there is a glitch.

      • Austin Barry

        Wow, there’s been wholesale moderation (i.e. deletion’) here. De facto ‘comments are closed’. 19 comments of 70 have survived.

    • Denis_Cooper

      It could be that you’ve said something the author doesn’t like, and instead of putting you right he just deletes it.

  • hellosnackbar

    The Tory party malignant?(Sion Simon)
    He’s confusing malignancy with prophylactic immunology!

  • Colonel Mustard

    Labour trolls hitting the “flag as inappropriate” button to censor anything they don’t like here. It demonstrates what to expect from a Labour government.

    They are fascists. The party of lies. lying and liars. They can’t handle the truth but they can’t handle disagreement or dissent either.

    • telemachus associates

      No Colonel
      I posted 7 separate posts on this thread last night and all were deleted within 30 mins.
      I reposted all from records in the same place and they were deleted 20 mins later
      As far as I can see if no one has commented on your post it is deleted but if someone has it is moderated
      It is not a Labour supporter but a true troll

      • telemachus

        Agree

        • telemachus associates

          We will see what happens

          • telemachus

            Indeed

            • telemachus associates

              You may have noted Telemachus has virtually stooped posting because of this nonsense

              • telemachus

                Sad

                • telemachus associates

                  Sad indeed

    • hellosnackbar

      The laborious party pillocks have a problem with FREE SPEECH!

  • Colonel Mustard

    “Observe the reaction of certain Labour figures”.

    “Certain Labour figure” is one way to describe him. Ironic that he should choose the words “malignant thing” to describe the Tory party.

  • ArchiePonsonby

    So nothing so vulgar as principles then, just more spin and manipulation. What a sad creep Cameron is!

  • Greenslime

    All the Tories are on holiday so most of the posts here are Labour trolls

  • thanksdellingpole

    I’m voting UKIP.

  • Smithersjones2013

    Cameron hires socialist spinmeister. Go figure. No doubt Messina will teach Dave how to do attack ads (Tory attacks have generalyl been extremely puny).Of course US Politics is played as if it were still the dark ages.

    I wonder if the below were Jim’s work? Could be he and Lynton might compliment each other? Add Osborne and we have a new unholy trinity.

    http://live.wsj.com/video/obama-attack-ads-hit-nine-swing-states/4849B713-9E80-468A-972E-91575CBB4E67.html#!4849B713-9E80-468A-972E-91575CBB4E67

  • Curnonsky

    Messina is a mercenary – the Tories simply outbid Labour for his services. That said, his specialty is slicing the electorate into tiny subgroups which collectively can add up to a majority. One wonders if Cameron is capable of the same sort of divisive appeals to antagonistic identity politics that Obama used to win re-election, but perhaps all he sees is a man who helped a fellow leftist triumph despite his abysmal record and thinks “I’ll have some of that!”.

  • itdoesntaddup

    Some really strange moderation going. Apparent motive is to distort views of contributors by selective deletion of posts.

    • ArchiePonsonby

      Just click on “show comment”. I have.

      • Emulous

        Where is the show comment button?

        • ArchiePonsonby

          Immediately after “comment removed” in red typeface. You’re welcome.

      • dalai guevara

        this is about comprehensive deletion, not moderation

  • Austin Barry

    All the strategists in the world can’t help Cameron: the Roma are coming.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      Yes, and it’d be nice to know how many they are when they arrive.

      Somebody needs to baseline today’s current passenger counts along the travel corridors from those pending EU entrants. That would at least allow a derivative estimation of the increase in number of emigrants they’ll be sending out, and allow some estimate of their immigration elsewhere.

      As accurate counts at the UK border seem impossible for the honorables, the above may be the only form of data collection and analysis available to review the impacts of immigration flowing from those new EU entrants

      If traffic along those travel corridors surges in any way, it is qualitatively describable and can be quantitatively estimated. EUphilic LibLabCon won’t do it, obviously, but it’d be nice if some private group would.

      • Lady Magdalene

        We need reliable “before and after” crime statistics as well.

        • makhnovist

          I agree it would be helpful to quantify so that we can see how many will be responsible for the economic benefit they will bring
          Then we can plan how many more to bring in as the next wave

      • telemachus

        I agree it would be helpful to quantify so that we can see how many will be responsible for the economic benefit they will bring
        Then we can plan how many more to bring in as the next wave
        We must do all we can to get back to prosperity

    • HookesLaw

      You are going to be really upset when they don’t.

  • the viceroy’s gin

    Goodness, the complexion and haircut and dress on that guy is an awful disaster. When I first looked at him, the only thing I could think of was “It puts the lotion on its skin…”

  • Radford_NG

    Do they think we are stupid?(A rhetorical question.)

    • telemachus

      Radford
      You have a point
      Messina may be good for a reasonable caring chap like Obama
      But I think he may find it difficult to get thru to the Tories

    • makhnovist

      Radford
      You have a point
      Messina may be good for a reasonable caring chap like Obama
      But I think he may find it difficult to get thru to the Tories
      We must do all we can to get back to prosperity

  • In2minds

    “The backbench dissenters have been quietened”.

    But the reasons for the disquiet have not gone away. So let’s pretend all is well?

    • telemachus

      You could just be mistaken
      They see the election looming and do not wish to feed the UKIP attack on Tory Marginals

  • Barbara

    Been absent for a bit but oh dear me, what a story this is. Do all our parties have to import people to do the job here, have we not got enough here to do the job for them? Having people from Obama’s camp, well, not really such a big deal is it? As he’s now down in his own polls’ is this really advisable? The Tories should with all their folk coming from the best educated institutions be able to produce someone who is British to do this job. We now have a Canadian in the Bank of England, what next? Again, we see people going abroad to seek people out which is never really acceptable in the long run, it will of course back fire in some way. As for Ed Miliband and his union officials, well that’s the sure fine way of giving Mr Cameron Downing Street, so please Ed keep it up.

  • McRobbie

    still larfing at simple simons comments such as “the malignant thing the tory party is” with complete disregard for iraq….labour, dr kelly…. labour, destroyed private pensions… labour, non caring NHS… labour, non educating education… labour, union puppets…labour, good days to bury bad news…labour. If that isn’t malignant what is?

    • Nicholas chuzzlewit

      All very true but who cares what a sanctimonious bore like Sion Simon thinks.

      • itdoesntaddup

        What happened to your other post?

    • Shazza

      Not just malignant but the Party of Mass Destruction – a weapon not found in Iraq but hidden in plain view in the ranks of the Labour Party.

      • telemachus

        Do you not mean the Party of Creation
        Creation of the Health Service
        Creation of the Welfare Safety Net
        Creation of the minimum wage
        Creation of the longest most sustained period of wealth in the last century
        *
        But more
        The party with the vision for all of our people
        Not just the Public School elite

      • makhnovist

        Do you not mean the Party of Creation
        Creation of the Health Service
        Creation of the Welfare Safety Net
        Creation of the minimum wage
        Creation of the longest most sustained period of wealth in the last century
        *
        But more
        The party with the vision for all of our people
        Not just the Public School elite

    • telemachus

      You better believe who actually cares
      Who will care for all thru the NHS
      Who will rescue the poor from the strictures of untrammelled IDSisn
      Who will give you true growth
      As AW said there remains something of the night in the Tories

    • makhnovist

      You better believe who actually cares
      Who will care for all thru the NHS
      Who will rescue the poor from the strictures of untrammelled IDSisn
      Who will give you true growth
      As AW said there remains something of the night in the Tories

  • Lady Magdalene

    Messina: Data Analyst and Spin Merchant extraordinaire.
    No “politics of principle” for Call Me Dave. No attempt to create a persuasive set of policies which deliver what the electorate wants and which will enthuse them in large numbers to vote Conservative.
    Just an attempt to pitch “the message which will appeal” to identified and tiny numbers of swing voters.
    The Conservative Party is getting desperate.

    • http://owsblog.blogspot.com Span Ows

      well the message has cleared recently, not all the way but enough to see progress on education, NHS, welfare, etc. Messina’s job is as you say, to get the message to others, not sure why this should be seen as bad, the labour has the BBC avidly disseminating the Labour message and where there isn’t enough message they trash the government, working for Labour almost, so a balance was needed, I hope this is enough.

    • HookesLaw

      Don’t be daft – as if all parties do not try everything to get their message across.
      Pathetic nit picking

    • telemachus

      Correct
      The Tories are vapid
      They will be finished in 2015 when UKIP deliver Tory marginals to Labour

    • makhnovist

      Correct
      The Tories are vapid
      They will be finished in 2015 when UKIP deliver Tory marginals to Labour

  • itdoesntaddup

    CCHQ in dire straits of mess in a campaign strategy. Hires Crosby to put them on the straight and narrow. Cameroons seek sympathetic placeman to keep eye on Crosby: hire Messina. Is all happy in our house? Wizard, Merlin! Tweet, tweet

    P.S. Barack, will you talk to me now?

    • Colonel Mustard

      Labour HQ desperate to exercise damage limitation by trolling blogs for stories like this and posting anti-Tory, pro-Labour comments.

      Did Obama ever talk to Brown – eventually?

      • Wessex Man

        nah just ordered some fries and burgers!

      • itdoesntaddup

        I suggest you read it again. Or are the Tory party now supposed to be like Obama? Crosby is not a Cameroon by nature (indeed the two clashed in the past), but was obviously starting to make a positive difference, despite Labour attempts to disparage him.

        I suspect Messina has been hired to try to make another Cameroon coalition. We’ll see.

        • Nicholas chuzzlewit

          Who cares if Crosby is “not a Cameroon by nature” as long as he is trashing the malignant filth that is the Labour Party.

          • itdoesntaddup

            I was actually rather pleased to see Crosby come in with some forthright ideas rather than wishy-washy Cameroonisms. He certainly rattled Labour’s cage right from the outset.

        • HookesLaw

          He has been hired because he is experienced in on line campaigning.
          What a pathetic bunch of whining we are getting from the usual suspects. Its times like this we realise what a parallel universe they live in.

      • Hexhamgeezer

        Didn’t Broon corner him in a basement laundry room where he was hiding from the mentalist?

  • Apoplexy
    • HookesLaw

      Well you make a good point. When Simon is reduced to saying something which is so wide of the mark then you begin to suspect labour are in a little bit of trouble.

  • Colonel Mustard

    “Observe the reaction of certain Labour figures”

    Well I suppose “certain Labour figure” is one way to describe him. Ironic, too, that he should use the words “malignant thing” to describe the Tory party…

  • Ulysses Returns

    On the one hand, being a true Conservative, I am delighted that labour are ‘frit’; the comments on the Guardian and Independent decrying Messina and Crosby are quite hilarious. Things are going our way at last.

    On the other hand, we are led by someone it is difficult to describe as a Conservative and no matter how much I detest the lib/labtards the thought of another administration led by Cameron does not inspire confidence. And please, please, please do not urge me to vote UKIP.

    • Holly

      Hold your nose on polling day and think of Gove, and May.
      The two people most likely to completely transform this country into something really rather cool….Oh and they too were put in place by Cameron, have remained there since, and long may it be thus.
      Gove v Twigg??
      May v Coop???
      Need I say more?

      • Denis_Cooper

        As it happens Theresa May is my MP, and I find it very difficult to imagine her transforming the country into something really cool.

      • Daniel Maris

        Free schools are an interesting experiment. However they’ve only just begun. The effects on the rest of the school system and the effects on social cohesion had yet to be felt. Up and down the country free schools are being established which are in effect subsidised Sharia schools for Muslims where they can be taught in a kaffir-free environment. Not much to applaud there.

        • telemachus

          Free Schools are a Govian experiment in Educational Social Darwinism
          The aim as you know is to let those 14% of children whose parents are not engaged rot in sink schools for those few precious years in their life as their sink schools wither

        • makhnovist

          Free Schools are a Govian experiment in Educational Social Darwinism
          The aim as you know is to let those 14% of children whose parents are not engaged rot in sink schools for those few precious years in their life as their sink schools wither

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