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What has happened to the deluge of Romanians?

22 July 2013

11:06 AM

22 July 2013

11:06 AM

Snoring in the sunshine down Park Lane, in London, last week was the latest gift to Britain from the Great God of Multicultural Diversity, sixty-odd snaggle toothed Romanian gypsies. I went to speak to them for a film I was doing for the Sunday Times. The only English the vast majority knew was ‘grwnka’, which they barked at me while pointing at their mouths. This is apparently their approximation of: ‘Do you possibly have a cigarette to spare, my good man?’ Some didn’t even say Grwnka, they just pointed at their mouths and looked at my cigarette.

There are very serious fears that these new arrivals will unfairly compete with honest British pickpockets and beggars, being more adept and with lower overheads. But the Romanian ambassador, Ion Jinga, has said that they will be of enormous benefit to the economy, although he did not explain how beyond saying that ‘eight out of ten of them work’. Yes, but work at what? Notwithstanding this interesting take on the development, one enterprising local shopkeeper has learned the Romanian phrase for ‘You can’t sleep here, please clear off.’ Still, I suppose it’s hardly the mass swamping some had feared. Perhaps that’s to come.

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  • Vernon Stradling
  • BoiledCabbage

    Could the ‘Border Force’ at least filter out the ugly ones? What is the point of letting in old wizened crones from some Romanian medieval village?

  • allymax bruce

    Rod, your Speccie kindergarten staff are playing with my comments again. Can’t you get the Speccie infants new toys? Are all Speccie staff so puerile?
    The Spectator; not worth the cyberspace the puerile Speccie infant staff take up.

    • jjjj

      That’s because you are a troll, Brucie. When you decide to say something of value, perhaps stop blaming the Jews for every ill in the world, perhaps people will take you more seriously.
      Right, Bruthie?

  • dugongs2

    I hired some Romanian plumbers to refurb a bathroom with ok references and a tempting cheap price. They were pleasant and very punctual but unfortunately they lied about being plumbers. Thankfully the poles came to the rescue and sorted out the mess.

    One thing they told me is self employed romanians have been able to come here since joining EU and these fellows had been working in UK for a few years. They loved Britian because to quote when you buy a panasonic tv it is not some chinese rubbish that somebody has stuck a panasonic badge on. I think most of the old stuff they efficiently took out of my bathroom ended up in their palatial farm houses in romania were they intended to retire to on the money they made in uk.

  • Citizen X

    First wave of Romanians is already here (it came 3-4 years ago). Now the second wave is coming – mostly villagers and gypsy and they will take a form, like in Germany, of simple organized crime gangs following only one effective strategy: – breed as many children as you can
    – coordinated attack on local councils which can not refuse housing to them ( ethnic minority )
    – rent council houses to other groups ( mostly not speaking English other nationalities)
    – move to another council and with false documents repeat whole process

    In the meantime for fun and relaxation they will be fixing your local ATM, collecting scrap metal and steal in the shops, beg on the streets and distribution some illegal products.

  • Austin Barry

    “Yes, but work at what?”

    Romanians are some of the finest ATM mechanics in the world.

    • Dacus

      ATM stuff is small change compared to the Wonga of your own bankers. Your home grown “mechanics” got so much dough that the banks had to be saved with public money. Romanians are still in infancy in that respect…

      • BoiledCabbage

        Correct Dacus, the pros are in the City. Now do you want someone to manage your pension or what? Keep the fivers under the mattress for all we care….

  • Nick

    In relation to the Romanian Gypsies in the UK,I was asked this question recently……’Nick,don’t you think Hitler was right about some things?’

    • Noa

      And your answer was…?

      • Nick

        Hello Noa.My answer was a sardonic,’Well genocide is a bit on the heavy side.But I would support mass deportation’.
        Why Noa,what do you think I said?…….;-)

        • Noa

          I don’t presume to know. Deporting is fine, extermination not.

  • Roy

    It surely is well known by now the British will take anything. Anything that is remotely in the form of a human being, along with its baggage. The sinkhole of the European continent. The place where tidy and well educated people are turned away but the riff raff of the world made welcome.

    • accrete786

      Ahh yes 1066

  • Radford_NG

    BILD reported (16 July) an official German report which warns of the consequences for social peace coming from `poverty immigration`.It notes chaotic scenes in schools where large numbers of children speak no German….and that in immigrant areas prostitution and crime have soared.

  • jjjj

    Long live the royal boy!

  • Radford_NG

    Weekend before last there were three nights of rioting by immigrants in Altona,as reported by BILD ;but no reports in British press.

  • Radford_NG

    They arn’t allowed in till January next. Meanwhile they are all in DUISBURG. The Mayor of Duisburg (who God preserve) warned Britain months ago what was coming[Daily Mail].A week ago he spoke of Romanian gypsy families in ghettos who send gangs of children out to beg,pickpocket and burgle.(Daily Express;and Bild)

    • allymax bruce

      Vote Labour for opendoorimmigration;
      Westminster knows best!

  • jjjj

    I hope this isn’t misconstrued, but that Blonde in the photo? I just love the sulky petulance, the bargaining with authority! She can make me mamaliga anytime!!!!! Chi face!!!!!!!!!!

    • allymax bruce

      DOUBLE WEIRDO !!

  • terence patrick hewett

    țigară: nearly “grwnka’!

    • Dacus

      Rightly so. Just wondering “ce-a fumat Liddle?” (what did Liddle smoke?) when writing this incoherent piece.

  • Rasvan Lalu

    This is a despicable and disgusting piece of bad taste anti-Romanian propaganda crap. If this was intented to be sarcasm and/or humour, then, poor of you.

    • allymax bruce

      It’s called journalism; it’s ‘designed’ to cause public controversy.
      Liddle is a top class journalist; it’s up to you to make a critical argument back.
      allymax.

      • Dacus

        Eh no. I bet Liddle would not write such a piece about Muslims, Caribbeans, Africans (insert your favourite minority), the PC brigade would fall like a ton of bricks on him. But Romanians are fair game, they are white, poor and uninteresting to the race industry.
        On top of that, Liddle man won’t risk meeting his Maker too early, Romanians are not used to dispatch people to Him for real or imaginary insults. It is perfectly safe to insult Romanians but I have the feeling he is overdoing it. At hominem and on paper.

        • Noa

          You haven’t read this blog much, have you? If you had you would know that anyone is fair game.

          But, mostly its the ignorant and self opinionated, a constant stream of which present themselves here for our edification by their unconscious self ridicule.

          • Dacus

            Really???? Show my an article where Pakistanis or Somalis are subject to the same derogatory, borderline racist terms. Until I see the evidence with my own eyes, I will stand on my comment (or shall I say comments?) on Liddle man.

            • Noa

              Do your own research.

              Ignorance is due to laziness and is allied with a consequent inability for original thought.

              • Dacus

                I asked for evidence, not insults. It is not my job to do research, it is yours to present evidence that Romanians are not treated worse than Somalis or Pakistanis. I stand on my comment on Romanians being fair game.

                • Oedipus Rex

                  Start with Wiki then progress to the Spectator search engine for starters. You are, of course, talking absolute bollocks as anyone who has read this blog over the years knows. And it is not my ‘job’ to do research for you.

                  You seem to have an inflated sense of self worth and self entitlement, a disease you may have caught by living in contemporary Britain where much of the population are afflicted.

                  Maybe a cure back home might help?

                • Noa

                  There are currently job opportunities in Park Lane, if he’s quick enough.
                  Repeat after me…”‘grwnka!”

                • Noa

                  And I don’t care that you’re a self proclaimed idiot, bigot and lazy ignoramus.
                  You can do something about it, or not, as you choose.
                  It’s up to you to inform yourself.

                • Noa

                  “I stand on my comment on Romanians being fair game.”

                  Another of your fatuous assertions, made without providing a shred of evidence.

        • allymax bruce

          Dacus, bruv; try being Scots just now!
          We’ve had this ignorant Englander nonsense for as long as all my family can remember. But that is changing. Unfortunately, some hard-nosed inglorious ignorant sneering engerlish politicians, (not the ordinary English peoples, they are good people), just won’t accept they are the piss-pantry of the world now. Typical Westminster ‘positive engagement ‘, the top 1% talks tough, but the 99% of England peoples are dealt poverty, alien immigration , and lies.
          Piss-Pantry of the world.

          • Noa

            You’re being Scots is your birthright.

            Simply blaming your personal inadequacies to ‘Englanders’ betrays it.

            • allymax bruce

              You continue the disdain, you, & your elitist class torredores slaughter the masses of your own people with.
              Piss Pantry.
              Enjoy.

              • Noa

                Contempt, not disdain. And clearly you’re running out of recreational pharmaceuticals again.

                • allymax bruce

                  Contempt, is worse than disdain.
                  You ave a real problem; pharamas ‘ can’t help.
                  Now, the thing is, does ‘one’ have an obsessive compulsive disorder? Does ‘one’ check everything twice?

                • Noa

                  You have provided all the evidence needed to make an objective judgment between whether you should be held in contempt by your peers here, or merely with disdain.

                  You passed the test for Contempt standard on your own abilities and with flying colours.

                • allymax bruce

                  Well, 2 self-hating paranoid-schizoids agree with you; unless you pressed your own button twice!
                  You amuse me, especially when you go all-out on a limb and talk for everybody, then they ‘dis’ you!
                  Must be quite embarrassing, Noa. Now we all know what your name represents = rejection!
                  Besides, you fool, these people here are not my peers, and they cannot judge me neither; only Jesus can do these things.
                  As for my abilities, well, let’s just say I’m Way ahead of you!
                  You sad, sorry, self-righteous fool.

                • Noa

                  I’m in your head…

                • allymax bruce

                  You’re in your own head; how many of ‘you’ are in there now?
                  Well, looks like your ‘phantastic friends’, all 2 of ‘you’, don’t talk for these people on this forum! What a weasel thing to do; try and rope in the forum participants, to your low-down Bliarite sneering.
                  Yeh, you have shown your abilities.
                  Ha-ha-ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha .ha, …..what a tool.

                • Noa

                  Seek expert help, quickly.

                • jjjj

                  You really need to take those meds. Seriously, Brucie, just read what you write! Get assistance.

                • allymax bruce

                  So, all 2 of ‘your’ ‘phantastic friends’ speak for everybody! Ha-ha, ha, ha.
                  You have shown your abilities! Trying to speak for everybody, trying to con everybody with nasty Bliarite sneering ways.
                  You lose.

                • allymax bruce

                  Seems your peers don’t agree with you.

                • allymax bruce

                  Noa, your abilities are all too evident by the scant support from your ‘peers ‘. Your phantastic friends really helped you out there!
                  Ha! Noa

          • Nick

            And Andy Murray is still an Engerlander.

        • jjjj

          Can I say that I’ve known many Romanians in my time and they were all very sweet. I also know very well the deprivations they suffered under Caucesco and Elena. I liked watching Nastase play. Nadia was the best gymnast.

          Hope this helps.

          • allymax bruce

            WEIRDO !

  • allymax bruce

    ‘What has happened to the deluge of Romanians’?

    They went to Poland!

  • ProffessorPlum

    “‘grwnka’”
    Sounds more like they’ve got you sussed.
    Anyway Roddie, you should be very very happy it gives you more people to blame for the state of the country while protecting those who are really responsible.

  • Pootles

    I give Rod Liddle on thing – he appears to read the comments, and he actually bothers to reply in some cases. To my knowledge, he is the only journo type who does this. Full marks, old sprout!

    • Dacus

      Do you count insults as replies? Hmmm…

      • Pootles

        My dear felow, you did misunderstand the ‘grwnka’ business. And Liddle has replied to comments before I have noticed.

      • jjjj

        Oh, don’t be so thin skinned. It’s all part of the rough and tumble of life. Everyone here is winding everybody else up. We’re all Brits after all. And the princess will be born by Christmas.

        • allymax bruce

          You’re not british, you’re an alien.
          Don’t besmirch the good ‘British’ people by trying to associate yourself with/to them.
          You’re a gimp.

          • jjjj

            Brucie, time for the pills. And no, you can’t have your poster of Der fuhrer back. It’s all stained with unborn Brucies…

            • allymax bruce

              Oh dear, and on the very night our Great future 3rd in line, king was born.
              Nigel, you are terrible; but I didn’t think you were anti-Royalist.
              Well, I’m all for our Royal family; God Bless our Queen, and all her Heirs, from Scotland.

        • allymax bruce

          Just remember you said “don’t be so thin skinned, its all just the rough and Tumblr of life, the next time you accuse anybody of anything !

  • Baron

    A British naval frigate patrolling in the Channel spots a little dingy with three men on board looking unmistakenly like (here insert whatever immigrant group takes your fancy). The frigate’s captain decides to investigate. ‘Where are you heading?’ he shouts at the boat. ‘We’re invading Britain’, answers one of the men. The captain and the frigate’s crew laugh. ‘What, just the three of you, ha, ha, ha? ‘No’, the man shouts back, ‘we are the last three, the others are already there’.

    • Daniel Maris

      That was very funny…the idea that we have a frigate left to patrol the Channel! Hilarious!! 🙂

    • accrete786

      Yawn, whats the weather like in your part of the woods?

  • zakisbak

    I love my Rumanian neighbours!
    The day long shouting,the unattended screaming kids…….
    The lovely rummaging through the bins,the pushchairs full of junk……
    The gardens transformed into illegal,completely full junk yards……
    The scrap metal vans,(untaxed),working all hours……
    The large gatherings in the street……..
    It’s all thrillingly vibrant,yet cohesively diverse!
    Much,much better than boring old England used to be.
    Anyone who disagrees is either racist,xenophobic,or an ismist.

    • Dacus

      I love my British neighbours!
      The long day drinking, shouting, and watching Jeremy Kyle on plasma TV…
      The lovely car arsons, the looting of the shops, the streets fights…
      The posh Cambridge kid urinating onto the Cenotaph…
      The drunken ladettes unable to walk after a late night on the bender…
      The drugged out homeless sleeping rough on the Strand…
      The teenage chav with three kids of different dads…
      It’s all thrillingly vibrant, yet cohesively diverse!
      Much , much better than boring old England used to be.
      Anyone who disagrees is either racist, xenophobic, or an ismist.

      • Ridcully

        It might not have been your intention but the point you’re actually making is that as we have plenty of home-grown scumbags, why import more?

        • Dacus

          My point was that stereotypes go in both directions.

          • Chris Morriss

            Would you be Dacus the Dacian perhaps?

      • Pootles

        Actually, I think zakisbak was trying, in part, to make some kind of point about the way ‘boring old England used to be’. I expect that he means the way England used to be (mostly) by the end of the Victorian period, after much effort to transform us English from our older, wilder, drunken ways. Sadly, the boring old England that we (that is middle-aged people) remember, which was the mid-20th Century version of High Victorian England, is only found now in patches across the country. The chav/ladette/yobbo/’me’ culture that you, Dacus, highlight emerged from the very processes that came with economc dislocation, globalisation, the abandonment of swathes of the English by the main political parties, and, yes, mass immigration.

        • Fak_Zakaix

          “chav/ladette/yobbo/’me’ culture” exists in Dickens novels.

          • Pootles

            Indeed. Dickens died in 1870, and I did say ‘…mostly…by the end of the Victorian period’. Dickens was writing about an earlier phase of Victorian Britain that was still struggling with the terible impacts of the second period of the industrialisation process, the associated, unplaned, unregulated growth of cities like Manchester, and mass, internal UK, migration. None of that, of course, means that chav etc culture died out – think, ‘I’m a knut with a ‘k” andtheir associated early teens ‘flappers’ (the pre 1910 ones).

      • Mainlander

        At least they’re in their own country.

      • Rocksy

        The point being that we already have obnoxious people of our own and don’t need to import them.

  • Macky Dee

    I thinks “That’s to come…” In January!
    Atleast they’re not here for our jobs i suppose!

  • sarahsmith232

    ‘fears that these new arrivals will unfairly compete with honest British pickpockets and beggars, being more adept’ and with a substantially more enthusiastic work ethic

    • Dacus

      They won’t be able to compete with the home grown bankers…

  • AtMyDeskToday

    An indication of things to come is my own recent experience in Mallorca. Been going to the island since 1979, with never a problem. On our recent visit I had my wallet lifted by a pick-pocket who was very clearly an East European. The police have been waging a campaign to drive gangs of them out of Palma, which has simply resulted in them moving into the tourist resorts. In many of the cases where they make an arrest the culprit is Romanian.
    Believe me, when it happens to you, you will not be happy.

    • allymax bruce

      Like I said; Fake !
      I’ve never had my pocket picked.
      What a woose !

      • AtMyDeskToday

        I think you have a problem. I’m uncertain at the moment as to what it is, but I’m certain it’s serious. Get help.

        • allymax bruce

          All that fake armour, must be weighing you down.
          Or, is it the other way around?
          Yoora tube; my forefather Bruce, and family name wasn’t bound by intricate ‘British’ subjections, designed to constrain Scotland; you are weak.
          Don’t talk to me again.

          • AtMyDeskToday

            I didn’t think we were talking, I’m talking, you’re dribbling into your bib. Help is only a phone call away.

          • jjjj

            Are there many Islamists such as yourself, pretending to be Scots?

            • allymax bruce

              I don’t know.
              Maybe you should ask Islamists.
              Or, ask that fake Kate Higgins above-AtMyDrskToday .

              • jjjj

                But I’m asking yoose, Brucie.

                • allymax bruce

                  Ok, forge’, (farage), let’s have a go at this.
                  ‘yoose’, in Scots, is plural; so you are asking all of Scotland, not just me.
                  Like I said, ask who you are talking to; Islamists, Scotland, everybody who is Scots.
                  My answer is still valid, you little Hitler-come-Jew. Who would have thought both Hitler & the Jews, would be fighting for the worst accolade in human history!

      • allymax bruce

        Ha-ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ………. ooooooohhh !

        Ha-ha, ha, ha, ha, ….. classic; only Scot ever, to get her pocket-locked, in a dress.
        Ha,-ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, …..wait, …… gotta go lie down now, my sides are hurting.

  • Dacus

    Grwnka is NOT a Romanian word so the whole story is a blatant lie. Romanian language has not a single word even remotely sounding like “grwnka”. And gypsies are only 4% of Romania’s population so I don’t see how these people are relevant to the rest of Romanians. In that respect, presenting the unsocial behaviour of a minority as the normal behaviour of the entire population of a country is abject racism.

    • Noa

      You seem abject yourself.

      • Dacus

        Really???? For pointing that grwnka is not a Romanian word?For saying that the extreme behaviour of a minority do not represent the behaviour of the majority???? And what is the connection between the working rights of Romanians and the these anti-social people (who don’t need work permits as there are not needed for petty crime)?????
        What was racism in the above????
        Since when insulting people is humour?

        • Noa

          13 question marks indeed!
          Still, an appropriate amount for a comprehensively illiterate and barely comprehensible argument.
          Are you one of the ‘working’ Roumanians or one of ‘these anti-social people?’

          • Macky Dee

            It will only be the ones without work that come here my friend… You are inadvertantly racist yourself because anyone with genuine concerns about limited resources – and you label them racist – That’s actually racist!

            • Dacus

              Racism is to blame Romanians who are not even here for British problems instead to look at the 200 000 non-EU immigrants that settle in UK every year. That is ONE million of Africans, Asians, etc. every 5 years.

              • FrenchNewsonlin

                Yes and with any political will the latter could be controlled and curbed whereas those of EU origin have EUnion “rights”.

                • Dacus

                  Yes, and about 1 million of Britons are taking advantage of these “rights” and work in Europe. There are plenty of them in Germany…

                • zanzamander

                  Have you ever seen our English football lager louts invading little European cities and, in a matter of one short weekend, turning them into battle zones? I think we all have – well except the Little Englander who thinks the whole world and his dog belongs to him, and woe betide anyone in his way who cannot speak English!

                  This is a shameful article. believe me when I say this – not all of us believe in this rubbish. The Empire has gone, but sadly, the arrogance remains.

                • jjjj

                  Why don’t you mention the fascist football supporters who attack peaceful English football supporters in Italy, just because some of the English happened to be Jewish.

                • allymax bruce

                  Everybody’s fascist, except you !
                  .
                  Oh ! Little old lady !

              • zanzamander

                Dacus, I applaud your efforts at bringing some sense of fairness in the comments below the line, as lets face it, there is none above it.

                But reading this particular comment of yours has led me to think that if only these Romanian gypsies all converted to Islam. Maybe then the media, government and the police will all go soft at their knees and offer put them up in big council houses/hotels and stuff their pockets with thousands of pounds in dole money.

                Now there’s an idea.

                • allymax bruce

                  Who was that Danish king that thought he could turn back the tide?

                • jjjj

                  Slightly change the spelling and you could be talking about yourself…

                • Cumberland

                  He didn’t think that, he knew he couldn’t.

                • allymax bruce

                  Cumberland, so why did Canute try to hold back the tide, when he knew he couldn’t? It doesn’t make any sense.

                • Cumberland

                  His court endowed him with the power he knew he didn’t have.

                • allymax bruce

                  Very interesting; kinda shows medieval thinking is not so different from today; just say you go along with it, but always be making plans from the opposite end too.

              • Noa

                You are the racist for attempting to stop debate on an issue that affects and concerns all Britons.

                • allymax bruce

                  Racist; and now you can’t deny it. Even to your ‘self’.

                  Or, would you classify your ugly ‘being’, as neo-racist?
                  What a grwnka’ !

                  Game Over.
                  .
                  You Lose!

                • Noa

                  In yer heid.

                • allymax bruce

                  Paranoid projection; but I completely reject your badness.
                  Like I said, You Lose!

            • Noa

              Obviously that’s a racist comment, inadvertent or otherwise.

              We are all racists now.

          • Dacus

            Wish I were the cultural attaché, I would done this job better !

            • Noa

              Really. Perhaps success always eludes you, due to illiteracy and incompetence.

              • allymax bruce

                And there’s that ‘want’ to conform.
                Yoogoda disown that part of your ‘self’.

                • Noa

                  How appropriate that you and dacus are becoming BFF.

                • allymax bruce

                  Do yourself a favour, don’t even think of taking me on; you’ll always lose.
                  I’m already in your head.

                • Noa

                  Contact your social worker, they’re used to working with loosers.

                • allymax bruce

                  I wouldn’t know; but obviously you do.
                  For yourself?
                  Or for your nearest & dearest?
                  That’s what Alzheimer’a does to families.
                  All the money in the world wont save …….

                • jjjj

                  Nothing can beat the Plum Brucie bromance though. Like Streicher and Goebells.

                • allymax bruce

                  Snot sneeze; slithering green mucus, slipping into your mouth.
                  And I bet you snort it back up again!

                • jjjj

                  Brucie, your hero used to chew carpets and scream like a…banshee. You sound more and more like him!

                • allymax bruce

                  My hero is real. Lived, won, loved, died a victorious king for Scotland, over our enemies.

                  Now, Farage, tell us all about your ‘banshees’ !

                • Noa

                  So you chose a faux Scot for a hero. But really, a Norman. squabbling with fellow Normans like Edward I and II for the right of absolute dictatorship over the already conquered Island peasantry.
                  Some hero! Some choice.

        • Keith D

          Londons Romanian Population 70000.The Mets arrest figures for Romanian criminals.28000.I think that fairly clearly demonstrates that theres a problem.Its no use denying cold hard facts or decrying their existence as racism.

          • Dacus

            The number of 28 000 arrests (actually 27775) originates from a FOI request available here:
            http://www.met.police.uk/foi/pdfs/disclosure_2013/feb_2013/2013010000160.pdf
            This is the total number for arrests (not people, but arrests) in five years, not a single year for the whole UK, not only London.
            Sentenced
            https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/prison-population-figures give us the number of
            people in prisons on a quarterly basis. In 2010 they were 400, in 2011 were 541and in 2012 were 671.
            Romanian community it is definitely not 68000 but approximated to 94000 with an error of +- 13000
            http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171776_277619.pdf

            The “problem” is as real as it is grwnka as a Romanian word. It looks that innocent until proven otherwise is not applied to Romanians, hence the 28000 figure quoted.

            • Keith D

              Thanks for supplying these links.If we reflect that the figures you give say 1 in 130 of the Romanian population is in jail compared by 1 in 700 as a whole dont you concede there may be an issue?

              • Dacus

                1 of 700 is not 1 out of 3 (Daily Mail dixit) or even 40% (Christine Hamilton dixit)

                • Keith D

                  I’m not disputing that.However you do your point a great disservice by failing to acknowledge that a criminality rate five times the norm is not worthy of our attention.

                • Dacus

                  See my reply above about the negative selection of criminals. Furthermore, bring me clear evidence that these people are members of the established Romanian community in London.

                • Keith D

                  Your figures.
                  671 in jail 2012 out of a population of 94000.At no point did you see me suggesting the problem lies with the established community.And I do take your point re negative selection though I still think its an issue that needs addressing.We’re going to need a watertight vetting process.

            • blindsticks

              There shouldn’t be any Romanians in British prisons.
              They should be in Romanian prisons.
              Grwnka.

              • Dacus

                There shouldn’t be any Britons in foreign prisons. They should be in British prisons. Faaart.

                • blindsticks

                  Well, for a start it’s a myth that British prisons are holiday camps(unless we’re talking about someone sent down from
                  a culturally backward country). I think, from what I’ve heard, the best prisons are in Spain and other Mediterranean countries. And yes, there are British inmates in those prisons. Their letters home often finishing with ‘Wish you were here’. In other words I’m not making excuses for my nations scumbags. Now if only the different ethnic members of our wonderful multicultural society take the same stance. But instead they cry the inevitable racist so we have to feel terribly bad all over again, while thanking the vast majority for being here and being such wonderful citizens to boot.

                  If only….

                • Lungfish

                  South Korean prisons are very cozy- but only for the first three months

              • allymax bruce

                Yes; well done! Under EU law, non-indigenous EU travellers, upon criminalisation in any other EU country, can be deported immediately. We, UK, don’t even need to imprison these EU foreign crims !
                So, why aren’t ‘Britain’ deporting UK-criminalised non-UK EU nationals?

                • Dacus

                  That is an UK problem, don’t blame Romania for that

                • allymax bruce

                  Again, Yes, I agree.
                  Dacus, you have spoke well here, and managed the insults; quite a few of them were ignorant insults. But don’t let that deter you; you have ‘managed’ a 1-1 draw, against all the odds; and all on your own.
                  Blame Westminster.

                • Dacus

                  Thank you for your kind words.

            • allymax bruce

              I’m inclined to agree with you; the myth is stronger than the perception. Barthes.

        • sarahsmith232

          Dacus, don’t mean this as an attack but you’re not getting just how vice-like a North Korean like grip the PC brigade has this society by. nobody is ALLOWED to say ‘the Roma’ that would be classed as ethnic profiling and discrimination.
          Labour spent 13yrs criminalising all forms of anti-multiculturalism dissent, if Rod Liddle were to wright ‘the Roma’ instead of Romanian the Left would have him and this publication up in front of a judge in a second. he’d be looking at a prison sentence for that. so everyone neurotically tip-toes about, when someone is angry about mass immigration from Africa/Pakistan/Afghanistan etc they confront a politician and say ‘these immigrants, these Polish, i’m angry’ the PC lot ALLOW that ’cause that’s directed against a white group. but not ‘these immigrants, the Africans, i’m angry’ that’s a 21wk prison sentence.

          • Dacus

            True but I don’t think it is fair for Romanians to be made the scapegoat for the British immigration debacle.

            • Druth

              While you recognise that Britain has an ‘immigration debacle’ and can see that we problems getting this debated rationally in our press whom you right indicate ‘tells lies’, you’re still happy to mis-represent our legitimate concerns about immigration as an attack specifically on you as Romanians.

            • Noa

              Why not?

              Pending the piano wiring of our treacherous political class to Westminster’s and Brussels’ lampposts they make a topical and excellent example of the practical difficulties arising from the mass importation of multiple, illiterate third world multi-peasantries, in order to appease the international socialist lust for the destruction of western civilisation.

              • Druth

                Why are the natives of ‘struggling’ countries who are always fiercely nationalistic, and quickest to respond to any perceived slight against their own country, always the first people to trot out the race card when things don’t go their way? Why do so many people who plainly don’t like this country and have no respect for its customs or institutions, or even sympathy for its people, choose to come here and inflict themselves upon us?

                • Fak_Zakaix

                  You “inflict yourself” on other people because you seem to confuse Gypsies with Romanians. Do not mention Romania/Romanians again and everything will be fine. Or at least inform yourself about Romania before.

              • allymax bruce

                You can write; your Natural ability is strapped by your ‘want’ to conform.
                Don’t conform; just write.

                • Noa

                  Has your drip fallen out?

                • allymax bruce

                  Quite the reverse; I’m looking forward to the time when it goes in.

                • Noa

                  A call to nurse will oblige.

                • allymax bruce

                  My pensioned paralytic paradise will come, but long after your adjunct Alzheimer aberrations have kicked in.
                  Enjoy, while you can; a nonentity awaits.

                • Noa

                  Ageist too.

                  Lets see now; as a Sconut, fascist, junkie and foul, self-deluding bigot you don’t have a lot going for you, do you?

                  You must be an MSP.

                • allymax bruce

                  Woooooooo !
                  Your demons are showing.

                • allymax bruce

                  I told you, that you would lose.
                  You’re not any good at this, are you; No-a!

              • Fak_Zakaix

                Romania is part of the western civilisation. Gypsies are not because they are from Asia. Jews the same, because they are from Asia again.

                • allymax bruce

                  World class comment; well done.
                  Hey! jjjj are you listening? You’re an alien here in Europe !

                • jjjj

                  Brucie, your side lost WW2. Get used to it. Adolf topped himself in case you hadn’t heard. Now run along.

                • allymax bruce

                  Everybody lost; except ‘your lot’. You backed both sides; you couldn’t lose! Zionist bankers never change. Britain should rue the day when the idiot king allowed yoos Jews to finance debt; usury!

                • Noa

                  And which camp do you recommend for your solution for them both?

                • Fak_Zakaix

                  I do not operate with the word “solution”. I don’t sweat the small stuff. Gypsy pickpockets are small beer. As or Jews. I am generous, live and let live.

                • Noa

                  ‘live and let live’-In Britain, presumably.

                • Fak_Zakaix

                  I’ve heard that “concentration camp” was a British first too. A thing a little Englander must be proud of. And that explains why he knows more about other the dark history of other nations than his own.

                  <>

                  Where else my dear. Isn’t Britain the “Umbilicus mundi” after all?

                • Noa

                  Little Englander eh? I’ll take that as a compliment to my pride in my nation and the countless benefits it has given to western civilisation, the 26,000 tragic and unnecessary civilian deaths resulting from a military scorched earth policy in the Boer war, notwithstanding.
                  You, of course are a direct, though ungrateful, personal beneficiary of my nation’s heritage and generosity.
                  It does not, carry any equivalence to the genocidal policies of the Roumanian government which resulted in the deportation of 30,000 of their Roma to Auschwitz and the subsequent murder in one night. A policy which, concerningly, you continue to advocate. You should return to Roumania to do so, where your views will be received with less abhorrance than in England, where such evil was fought, not embraced.

                • Fak_Zakaix

                  Wow, thanks for the exquisite knowledge of the history of my country. A tinpot country in the view of little Englanders. And it also shows that you found out that Romanians and Gypsies are not the same people. Thanks again.

                  Ubilicus mundi, as I said, this little England. I know that
                  you understand some Latin words because English is replete with them, in contrast with the German. And why this? Maybe because “western civilisation” originated in the south of the continent?

                  Btw, do you speak other languages besides English? I speak
                  three more.

                • Noa

                  Why are you here if Ireland, Scotland or your homeland are more to your taste? Do us both a favour and leave.

                • Lungfish

                  I have absolutely no problem with Romanians or Bulgarians, but Noa, English patriotism did have quite a lot to do with a few wars I think! ( not that I’m a bleeding heart lefty or anything)

                • Fak_Zakaix

                  Wow, thanks for your exquisite knowledge of the history of my country. A tinpot country in the view of the little Englanders. And it also shows that you have discovered that Romanians and Gypsies are different people. Thanks again.

                  Umbilicus mundi, as I said, this little England. I know that you understand some Latin words because English is replete with them, in contrast with the German. And why this? Maybe because the “western civilisation” originated in the south of the continent?

                  Btw, do you speak other languages besides English? I speak three more.

                • Noa

                  Ein Latte, bitte.

                • Dacus

                  Where did you learn history? During a pub quiz in Peckham? Deportations to Auschwitz and other camps were undertaken on the territories occupied by Germans. Romania was an ally but never occupied so nobody from Romania was ever sent to Auschwitz.

                • Noa

                  It’s time you informed yourself of Rumania’s extensive and active role in the murder of some 400,000 Jews. That constitutes an active contribution yo the Final Solution don’t you think?

                  http://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/holocaust/about/04/romania.asp

                • Noa

                  and this, the Report of the International Commission to President Ion Iliescu on the Holocaust in Roumania on November 11, 2004 :
                  http://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/about/events/2004/romania.asp#english

                  It is authoritative, detailed and in particular informative on the deportation of the Roma.

                • Noa

                  An ingenuous reply, implying that Rumania was not responsible for the murder of its Jews and Roma.

                  Not so, it murdered some 400,000 of them.

                  http://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/holocaust/about/04/romania.asp

                  http://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/about/events/2004/romania.asp#english

                • Dacus

                  I did not deny that happened during the war but NO Jew or Gypsy living in the Kingdom of Romania was sent to concentration camps in Poland (Auschwitz) or other territories occupied and ruled by Germany. Murders of Jews and Gypsies took place in war zones, mostly on territory of today Ukraine and Russia.
                  I must also add that most Jews from northern Transylvania, territory belonging to Hungary during the WW2, ended in Auschwitz or other camps as they were deported by the Hungarian authorities. That was the fate of Michel Howard’s relatives yet the British Press blame Romania for this tragedy. Those Jews who escaped from Hungary to Romania during the war survived.
                  http://c3.ort.org.il/Apps/WW/page.aspx?ws=496fe4b2-4d9a-4c28-a845-510b28b1e44b&page=5d675d48-68df-4fc3-833c-04a23648f70e&fol=fe71099d-270f-4c68-8def-25ee7cc7f81b&box=3e0902e0-b315-412c-a5ec-927e5dab4302&_pstate=item&_item=0f5887d5-a37f-4b5f-8c95-caa9e2788658

                • Noa

                  So 400,000 Roumanian jews and gypsies were murdered by their fellow Roumanians. But that’s all right with you because it happened in Roumania and not German occupied territory?

                  .

                • Dacus

                  Where I said all that???? please point the exact paragraph, otherwise I won’t bother to reply.

                • Fak_Zakaix

                  As if you said something new. You probably don’t know that
                  Romanian pupils are taught in school about the plight of Romanian Jews in the WWII. They managed to achieve this. We also have a Holocaust Monument in Bucharest.

                  After all Jewish intellectuals, with their proverbial graphomania, managed to write almost all of our history books, especially on the subjects of communism, anti-Semitism, fascism, WWII and the Holocaust – their
                  hobbyhorse. Don’t worry, we also have our fair share of Hobsbawms, Schamas, Goldhagens, etc. Of course they show no trace of Jewish partiality. They are holy. Like the
                  English historians. Only historians of other nationalities are biased by racism and chauvinism. But this probably doesn’t bother you much because Jews were your (haphazard) allies in WWII. As were the Russians. Only when they write about the anti-Semitism that existed in Britain prior to WWII a little Englander realises that they are not one of them.

                  Now the British public is worried about an alleged tide of
                  Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants. In the late 19th century your ancestors were worried about the tide of Eastern European Jews (many from Romania). The same language that was used then by journalist about the Jewish
                  immigrants is used today on Romanians and Gypsies. But unfortunately Romanians do not have intellectual watchdogs in UK to police anti-Romanian sentiment and language. They are a sitting duck.

                  Today Romanians are the most calumniated people of Europe. They are the new Jews.

                  P.S. Don’t worry I am writing from Romanian. It is true that
                  I have polluted the British air for a while, but now I am home.

                • Lungfish

                  My ancestors were never worried about any tide, and we aren’t now. You are dealing with a reaction to the ridiculous aftermath of the second world war, ie 1947 and the open passport to India and the new Pakistan- crazy. Most English people don’t understand how beautiful Romania and Bulgaria are- truly sorry if you have been offended over here.

                • jjjj

                  Interesting name you post with on here. But it’s you and your rabble ilk that should ‘do’ themselves.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Now everything fell into place. Thanks Sarah.

            • jjjj

              Nazis are not welcome here my little rat.

              • Fak_Zakaix

                Nazis were only for Germans. That was one of their problems. Poles and Russians were “Aryans” too. It was Germany (plus some haphazard allies) vs. the world. And that is also the problem of the European nations facing the threat of Islam. We are quarreling among ourselves. And Romanians are some of ours.

        • rodliddle

          I didn’t say grwnka was a Romanian word, you idiot. I said it was their approximation of some English phrase. Although quite what eludes me.

          And I don’t think all Romanians are illiterate vagrants. Where have I said that? Quite clearly some are pompous imbeciles

          • Dacus

            Insults ad hominem instead of arguments, Mr Liddle?

            • ProffessorPlum

              “Insults ad hominem instead of arguments, Mr Liddle?”
              Insults are the sign of someone who doesn’t have an argument.

              • rodliddle

                they’re not ad hominem, they’re specifically directed at you.

                • ProffessorPlum

                  Regardless, it still shows a lack of intelligence and an inability to substantiate your argument.

                • jjjj

                  Like you have substantiated your er…’arguments’. You must think that reading PressTv and Storm front make you intelligent.

                • allymax bruce

                  Snot sneeze.

                • Guest

                  Proff and Wallymax remind me of the Black Knight in Monty Python and The Holy Grail.

                • Icebow

                  The proff and Wallymax remind me of the Black Knight in Monty Python and The Holy Grail. By the way, I can imagine ‘grwnka’ catching on.

                • allymax bruce

                  Hey, guess what else Monty Python did that’s a slur on Scots ; see Angus Podgorny, any Scotsman that would never win Wimbledon !
                  Ha! A Scotsman won Wimbledon!

                • Icebow

                  Ah, the giant blancmange! I remember. In fact, Murray reminded me (not in person).

          • ProffessorPlum

            “Although quite what eludes me.”
            Grrr wan car, comes to mind. I would have thought a lot of people greeted you in a similar way.

            • rodliddle

              Only bien pensant self abusers, “proffessor”.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            “Sictir” is a Romanian word though.

        • blindsticks

          Gypo.

          • Dacus

            Ad hominem again. Where are the good manners?

            • rodliddle

              again, not ad hominem: directly at you.

              • Dacus

                After all that I read about Romanians in the British Press for nearly a year, I became fairly immune at insults. You are nothing short of a spoiled kid who throws insults instead of bringing a valid argument on the table. And you call yourself a journalist…

              • zanzamander

                Just like I’m pointing the word “pillock” directly at you.

          • zanzamander

            That is an extremely derogatory term – akin to the “N” word. Shame on you – it shows how you’ve been brought up.

            • rodliddle

              “akin to the n word.” Christ, you lot are pathetic.

              • Dacus

                Not at all, Liddle Englander. Not only Gypo is a racist insult but also gypsy is considered derogatory. The PC word is that ethnicity is “Roma”.

              • allymax bruce

                ‘Liddle Englander’; you must admit Rod, that’s quite a good comeback.

                • Noa

                  Christ in a strait jacket!
                  Liddle England was the title of Rod’s Spectator column years ago.
                  Obviously that was a time when a sticky copy of Playboy and some contaminated Moroccan weed was more to your taste than reading the major issues of the day.
                  Just like now.

                • jjjj

                  Why don’t you admit that you’re off your meds, Brucie?

                • allymax bruce

                  Why don’t yoos Jews admit you’re nothing but little Hitler’s .
                  You on the MAN, and the whole Western world has ‘fashioned’ their Foreign Policy to ‘suit’ the anti-thesis of Zionist omnipresence.
                  You, are marking your own ‘card’, by trying to force the world the way you Jews want it to go.
                  But, then again, when have the Jews ever been any different?

                • jjjj

                  Brucie, where did you get the idea from that I was Jewish? Are you showing your ilk’s inferiority complex again? Ahhh…Bruthie.

                • allymax bruce

                  Maybe the Jews should ‘check you out’, then, seeing as you do al their bidding for them!

                • Lungfish

                  what the fuck are you on about?

    • Robert Mitchum

      Could it be in that case Dacus, that they were not saying “grwnka” to Rod, but “wanker”? Just a thought.

      • Dacus

        Wanker 🙂 You made my day!

      • zanzamander

        Then they’d be pointing at something else, not their mouths.
        No, wait…

        • Robert Mitchum

          Yes, that’s another way for them to earn a living. I am sure Rod didn’t succumb to the invitation, being a family man and all that.

    • Mainlander

      Oh… racism? Which race would that be?

  • Noa

    Grwnka? Mr Liddle?

    Perhaps, bemusedly, you simply misinterpreted a friendly greeting. Or perhaps they were referring to one possible leitmotif, the Grunka Lunka song

    “Grunka Lunka dunkety doo
    We’ve got a friendly warning for you
    Grunka Lunka dunkety dasis
    The secret of Slurm’s on a need-to-know basis
    Asking questions in school is a great way to learn
    If you try that stuff here you might get your legs broke
    We once found a dead guy face down in the Slurm
    It could easily happen again to you, folks
    So keep your hands down and keep your mouth shut
    Grunka Lunka Lunka dunkety dutt!
    Grunka Lunka dunkety din-gredient
    You should not ask about the secret ingredient!”

    Or perhaps they had said “Acest domn va plăti pentru tot” to the shopkeeper. Which ever it was, in addition to downtown Gurjarati, we should all take a little time and trouble to become more familiar with the essential Roumanian phrases.

    The effort will be repaid in spades after January.

    • ProffessorPlum

      “Perhaps, bemusedly, you simply misinterpreted a friendly greeting.”

      I think Liddle’s just spelt it wrong. It should be: Grrrr wan car.
      I’m not exactly sure what it means but it does sound like good greeting for Liddle Roddie.

      • Noa

        Are you bearing the emotional scars of a previous liddling?

        • ProffessorPlum

          Do you mean have I been insulted by Liddle Liddle?

          The answer is yes. But if he is happy making himself look like a fould mouthed ignorant journo with a racist agenda, I am happy to help him.

          BBT, I really believe that that is what was said and Liddle Liddle’s unwillingness to accept reality shows a lack of imagination or an ability to live in denial, or perhaps both.

          • Noa

            In short, yes.

          • jjjj

            lol! Rod showed you up for the antisemitic troll you are. You’ve got guts crawling back here. Meanwhile for those too bored to read the Prof’s witterings, here are two new ‘gems’ from our Stormfront chum: 1. There is no proof that Dreyfuss was innocent; 2. Israel occupies the er…Saudi islands of Tiran and Snaphir/Snafir. What are you sniffing Plumski?

            • allymax bruce

              Snot sneeze .

  • Robert Mitchum

    A poor attempt at reassuring us Rod. Surely you know that the immigration restrictions are not lifted until 2014. The few you saw are just the advance party, spying out the richest areas, and reporting home so that we can reap the benefits of their unrivalled expertise in asset stripping, with the minimum delay.

    • Dacus

      I think the asset stripping job was superbly done by the British bankers. There is not much left for Romanians anyway…

      • Robert Mitchum

        By assets, I meant our wallets and the choicest shops to “patronise”.

        • Dacus

          Are seriously implying that wallet stripping needs the right to work???? I haven’t heard of pickpockets queueing at the Home Office for the blue card (the permit Romanians need to have in order to work in the UK).

          • Robert Mitchum

            Your point is lost on me. I cannot see where the “right to work” and a blue card is relevant when one is thieving. Stealing from cashpoints and shoplifting certainly doesn’t either, or perhaps you didn’t understand my use of the word “patronise”. Legality certainly wasn’t in my thoughts.

            • Dacus

              In 2014 the restriction on working rights will be lifted, not the immigration rights. Romanians are allowed to come to the UK without a visa and live here for maximum three months but are not allowed to work. If they want to live and work legally in the UK, they need too apply for the infamous “blue card”.
              My point is that criminals from Romania don’t need working rights and work permits; they can travel freely and commit crimes. For petty criminals 2014 means nothing.

              • Framer

                Self-employed Romanians have been entitled to come and live here since EU accession in 2008. If they get a tax certificate to say their income (from Big Issue sales in particular) is too low to be taxable they can then claim housing benefit on top of child benefit. From January all benefits are open to them.

              • Noa

                It depends on whether the ordinary Briton considers Welfare, Housing and Benefits claims by a millions of non contributing, non working, non English speaking peasants provides good value for our taxes.

                Most of us don’t.

                • Dacus

                  Are you talking about Asians and African immigrants? According to the DWP Indians, Pakistanis and Somalis are the largest benefit recipients in the UK

                • Noa

                  Why should we discriminate?

                  All claimants are equal.
                  But some are more equal than others.

                • accrete786

                  Double yawn

            • Dacus

              On Dacus: yes, the name is connected to the Dacians. My family comes from a village a few miles away from Sarmisegetusa, the capital of the ancient Dacian kingdom (Hunedoara county, Central Transylvania, Romania, that is)

              • DougS

                I’m genuinely interested in the reasons that your family decided to leave such a paradise and come to live among Jeremy Kyle watching, football hooligan looters?

                • Dacus

                  For the same reason Britons leave the glorious Britannia to go to live among 5-a-day-pray teetotallers and burka clad women: money

                • DougS

                  Sounds sensible to me!

                  With enough wonga though, would you consider returning to paradise?

                • Dacus

                  Definitely. That is not properly understood in the UK. An Eastern European may stay for years in UK but ultimately will go back in his country of origin. Most Africans and Asians will never do that.

                • Pootles

                  ‘but ultimately will go back’ – I wonder. If one has children here, or brings a young family here (cf a good dea of recent Polish immigration) , might not that militate against return?

                • DougS

                  If Romanians come to the UK to make money and Brits go to Saudi to make money, why don’t Romanians miss out the middle man and go straight to Saudi to make even more money?

                • Dacus

                  There are plenty of Romanians working in the Middle East. I have my own sister working as lecturer in the Emirates. Most Romanians in the Middle East work in the Oil Industry, Romania having a good tradition this area (just to remind you that Hitler made war helped by the Romanian oil).

                • Pootles

                  Not all of us, old man. Dear old Blighty is best for me. Never did trust the money chasers, wherever they hail from.

                • Chris Morriss

                  Whereas the company I work for opened a factory in Lugoj, near Timisoara, to make use of the low-cost labour.

            • Radford_NG

              There is a way they can get a `blue card` and still carry on with their other activities,but they haven’t cottoned on to this.For obvious reasons I wont tell you what this is.

      • Pootles

        ‘British’ bankers ? I suspect that ‘bankers’, with their global focus, have no loyalty whatsoever to something as reactionary, passe, and ‘racist’ as a nation.

        • Fak_Zakaix

          Many of them belong to a particular nation. You know which one 😉

          • Pootles

            Don’t be silly.

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