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Finally! Abu Qatada deported – and here are the pictures to prove it

7 July 2013

7:50 AM

7 July 2013

7:50 AM

The Home Office has released pictures and video footage of Abu Qatada being escorted to an aircraft heading to Jordan where he is to stand trial. He left Belmarsh at midnight and his private jet (carrying a Jordanian welcoming party) took off (yes, they have pictures of that too) from RAF Northolt at 2.45am. He’s likely to appear in a Jordanian court today before being transferred to the high-security Muwaqqar prison. The UK and Jordan have signed a treaty which ensures torture will not be used. This agreement has facilitated his ejection, stopping him appealing to the European Court of Human Rights.

His departure is a significant accomplishment for Theresa May: lesser Home Secretaries have placed Qatada in the catapult but he has always wriggled free. Booting him out should have been easy: he is an al-Qaeda preacher and a Jordanian national who came to the UK illegally in 1993 on a forged United Arab Emirates passport. He lost his appeal against deportation six years ago, but since then has brilliantly exploited the loopholes which the ECHR has woven into English legal system. He’s outfoxed Home Secretaries for years – but May (who was given updates throughout the night) has succeeded where her predecessors failed. As a great lady once said: if you want something said, ask a man. If you want something done, ask a woman.

AQ4

Qatada being blue-lighted from Belmarsh prison to RAF Northolt. Police cars put on their sirens, just in case there was a traffic buildup at 1am.

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AQ41

A final glimpse at the cameras

The dot with the white tail is apparently Qatada's aircraft. Presumably the Home Office cameras were watching out for parachutes.

The dot with the white tail is apparently Qatada’s aircraft. Presumably the Home Office cameras were watching out for parachutes.

 

Next stop: Muwaqqar prison in Jordan

Next stop: Muwaqqar prison in Jordan

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  • Drakken

    Instead of spending millions on trying to deport this muslim savage, you should have marched him to the Tower of London and hanged his jihadist azz.

  • Iain Hill

    All this Home Office triumphalism a bit tacky, and politically biased?

    We have nothing to be proud of, maintaining a system of imprisonment without trial. You or I may suffer the same denial of our rights some day.

    • Nick

      The restoration of internment is a much needed tool in the fight against terrorism and left wingers……Left wingers being the worst of the two evils.

  • Swank

    I hope this isn’t an early April Fool’s joke. And I’m not joking about that. Britain so rarely does the right thing these days….

    Oh, and the European [Kangaroo] Court of Human [Non-]Rights should be abolished. Now.

  • Roy

    Let it be a start to greater things.

  • Smithersjones2013

    About bloody time too! Next time let’s hope the stupidity of our political class and their damn ridiculous Human Rights Act and dependence on alien justice institutions (ECJ. ECHR) doesn’t waste another £2 million of our money!

  • allymax bruce

    A Scotsman wins Wimbledon; thank you Monty Python’s Angus Podgorny.

    allymax

  • Mike

    Let the Jordanians do what ever they feel is necessary to this piece of s*** but don’t tell the world !

  • Tory HQ

    A soldier was seriously beaten by a gang of unreported ethnicity in Barnsley yesterday. Fortunately they only tried to kick him to death rather than behead him. But there seems no interest here at the Spectator. Where the oath to minimise any reporting of hate crimes by certain groups is taken more seriously than most.

    http://www.barnsley-chronicle.co.uk/mobile/news/article/6709

  • Fergus Pickering

    Off he went and what did the Beeb do at lunchtime? They interviewed Jack Straw who told us how Labour had made this all possible.

    • Colonel Mustard

      Ha ha! Wonderful. It really is life imitating art. Britain in 2013 a sort of soft, mushy hybrid of 1984 and Terry Gilliam’s ‘Brazil’, all run by fatuous lefties with no self awareness.

  • Nick

    What makes me puke is that odious idiot Cameron trying to claim some sort of victory regarding Qatada’s removal from the UK.What did Cameron do?…Nothing.
    If he was a strong leader,he would have removed Qatada when he first became PM.
    This is no victory for the Tories or the British people.It’s just exemplifies what a laughing stock we are.
    And when will Qatada return to the UK? Because you can bet your bottom dollar that he will…………….his defence team will be making plans for his return already.
    I feel that his return is such a good bet that within the next couple of days,I’m going to my local betting shop where I will ask if they will give me odds on his return.

    • Colonel Mustard

      I reckon you are absolutely correct.

  • Denis_Cooper

    The UK should derogate from Article 46(1) of the European Convention.

    That’s the part that says:

    “The High Contracting Parties undertake to abide by the final judgment of the Court in any case to which they are parties.”

    Sixty-odd years ago all the main UK political parties agreed to give that hostage to
    fortune, apparently without thinking that the Court might gradually develop its case law and apply it to the UK in ways that Parliament didn’t like, but now maybe the time has come to say openly and honestly that the UK is no longer prepared to be bound by that Article.

    Rather than agreeing that the UK shall be bound in all cases but then trying to wriggle out of complying in some cases, the only honest, clear and workable response is to derogate from Article 46(1) in all cases.

    If the UK government was then told that it was impossible to derogate from just that one Article and it must abrogate the Convention as a whole, so be it; but I very much doubt that would happen.

    • Alexsandr

      I agree. But being a signatory to the ECHR is a pre requisite of being in the EU.
      Now I would tell both the ECHR and the EU where to go, but its a bit of a tangle.

    • Andy

      The whole Convention has been so perverted there is little point in remaining a part of it.

  • Alexsandr

    now what do we do about Anjem Choudary?

    • FrenchNewsonlin

      Find a prop-driven plane for starters – one of those used for para jump training perhaps?

    • Abhay

      Strike him off the welfare register for starters.
      Prosecute.
      Tie him to a balloon on a trans-Atlantic voyage. Free of charge that is. He will enjoy the ride as he preaches his nonsense to the fish.

  • anyfool

    We will still be paying for this creatures family for as long as they wish to remain.
    An investigation into his and their finances should now take place.

  • Austin Barry

    Frankly, I’ll miss Abu.

    With his crazy, Father Christmas beard, bruised forehead and flowing robes he became what I understand we now refer to as a ‘national treasure’.

    Abu was the Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come – all our Christmases yet to come – and Scrooge’s words are equally prophetic; “Men’s courses will foreshadow certain ends, to which, if persevered in, they must lead,” said Scrooge. “But if the courses be departed from, the ends will change. Say it is thus with what you show me!”

  • davidbfpo

    What puzzles me is why Qatada was never prosecuted in an ordinary criminal court here. There are numerous allegations that he was a preacher of hate, an advocate of terrorism and more. Some of which were treated as ‘evidence’ in the numerous appearances before the Special Immigration Appeals Commission (SIAC), which follows very different rules.

    Yes he often been in prison here, but when at liberty and after 2005 when he was invariably under SIAC-imposed bail restrictions was there NO evidence gathered?

    Was he ever prosecuted for the false passport used to gain entry? No doubt the case papers are “lost” within the UKBA / Home Office.

    If he was so dangerous, based on evidence, not information, why was he never prosecuted?

  • Iain Hill

    First, your story would not open. ThenDisqus would not load. Whiff of secret service monitoring.

    Anyway, we should recall the days when we were horrified by foreign countries which imprisoned people without trial. How far we have fallen.

    • Abhay

      Looks like your socialist fantasy world is already falling apart

      • Daniel Maris

        Well it’s certainly true the USA has managed to stop further terrorist attacks bar the Boston attack since 9-11 despite retaining its habeas corpus legislation.

  • Andy

    It is an outrage that it has taken so long and cost so much taxpayers money to get to this point.

    It has shown that this whole system is a farce. Abu Qatada was obviously a very undesirable person and his presence here was not to the public good. He should just have been deported back whence he came. If necessary we should do this using Prerogative. Enough is enough.

  • HookesLaw

    His lawyers have been brilliant and done the outfoxing.

    Our judges have been selfish thick and gullible.

    • allymax bruce

      This is what happens when Labour force alien sharia culture, sharia law and sharia courts on our Christian country.

      • HookesLaw

        Dim. This has nothing to do with sharia law, its to do with the interpretation of British constitutional law.

        As soon as you start a mickey mouse obsession with sharia you show your prejudice.
        The law of Britain is the only law. Still. Sharia Councils are open to admission by the press they are not particularly secret. they exist elsewhere in the Western world..

        In divorce for instance the muslim law is typically as one might expect biased against women but its the civil law which must be used to start a divorce and civil law which determines and enforces the legal outcome.

        Beth Din is a similar jewish system. Its been in use in this country for centuries. There is a Catholic Ecclesiastical Court
        You will note that this
        http://www.thejewishweek.com/special_sections/36_under_36/naomi_maryles_34
        article says
        ‘the Beth Din of America, one of the largest and most respected religious courts in the United States’
        which implies there are lots of different religi0ous courts in the USA.
        http://www.lawandreligionuk.com/2013/04/13/religious-tribunals-in-the-united-kingdom-and-the-united-states/

        In my view there should be no religious courts To a greater or lesser degree all religions seem to me to be prejudiced against women.

        • Colonel Mustard

          Lord Chief Justice Lord Phillips has advocated, on record, the adoption of Sharia law to resolve disputes amongst Muslims living in the UK. That sort of statement serves to embolden and legitimise the “Sharia squads” currently operating in specific no-go areas of some cities. Once the principle is accepted of differencing law according to the needs or wishes of minorities where does it end?

          • FrenchNewsonlin

            “where does it end?” In a return to the 7th century deserts of the Arabian peninsula. Enjoy the scenery.

            • Drakken

              Where does it end you ask? With a Balkans on steroids.

          • Alexsandr

            can you say where these no-go areas are? This should not be allowed in the UK.

            • Colonel Mustard

              Tower Hamlets for example where it is reported that death threats have been issued to unveiled women. There are estimated to be 85 Sharia courts in operation in the UK. The Islamic Emirates Project, launched by the Muslims Against the Crusades group has listed Birmingham, Bradford, Derby, Dewsbury, Leeds, Leicester, Liverpool, Luton, Manchester, Sheffield, as well as Waltham Forest in northeast London and Tower Hamlets in East London as territories to be targeted for blanket Sharia rule.

              The project uses the motto “The end of man-made law, and the start of Sharia law.”

              There are fine lines between enforcing the rule of law consistently, not enforcing the rule of law consistently for reasons of political correctness and so-called cultural/religious sensitivity and creating a diversity of laws for different groups. We are about between the second and third.

        • allymax bruce

          Thank you for the explanation, & references, but I believe Col Mustard makes the point I originally inferred. This whole situation was exacerbated by Labour; what a horrible mess theyve made of our UK.

        • Daniel Maris

          “Sharia Councils are open to admission by the press they are not particularly secret.” Can you cite some evidence for that?

        • allymax bruce

          You said, “as soon as you start a mickey mouse obsession with sharia you show your prejudice “, well, yes, quite!
          In our UK Christian culture, it is absolutely expected; this is the point Peter Hitchens is making between racism, and racialism. I’m not racist for showing my Christian prejudices in my Christian country!

          • Wessex Man

            No you are a racist for your rants about we English, The entire Jewish race and anyone born in a different month to you, those little green men from Mars better watch out too.

      • Iain Hill

        What % of active churchgoers joining in a Christian community does it take for this to be a “Christian” country?

        • Abhay

          Your question is not relevant here. This man was no lover of this country, its culture, its heritage. He broke the border control law, forged docs to get here. It is sad it took so long to get rid of this vermin. Now kick his family out

        • allymax bruce

          Read my Trinity Triptych; it’s online.

        • Adrian Wainer

          ” What % of active churchgoers joining in a Christian community does it take for this to be a “Christian” country? “,.

          In the case of Christian with a small c the answer is zero.

          • Alexsandr

            A country can have a christian tradition without its citizens believing in God and the Resurrection.

            • Adrian Wainer

              ” A country can have a christian tradition without its citizens believing in God and the Resurrection. “,.
              Alexsandr

              That is perfectly correct since much the philosophical positions of Jesus can stand alone without reference to divinity or a God figure.

              Cast the First Stone
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k0RzhVJSxE

        • Colonel Mustard

          That is irrelevant. The Church of England is the established church in England. The Monarch is ex officio Supreme Governor of the Church of England, and is required by the Act of Settlement 1701 to “join in communion with the Church of England”. As part of the coronation ceremony, the Monarch swears an oath to “maintain and preserve inviolably the settlement of the Church of England, and the doctrine, worship, discipline, and government thereof, as by law established in England” before being crowned by the senior cleric of the Church, the Archbishop of Canterbury.

          Your interesting criteria for constitutional change based on the number of worshipping Christians does not exist. The agenda to dispose of the Monarch, the uncodified constitution and the established church is now a reality as it never could have been in the country in which I was born. And even an heir apparent wishes to score an own goal in its cause. But all that has not happened yet. Be very careful what you wish for.

          • FrenchNewsonlin

            If only history were better taught in the schools eh Colonel?

        • curious

          Would you prefer the UK to be an Islamic country instead? I know that the West is obviously miles behind enlightened Muslim society with all their scientific progress and economic success so inseparrably embodied in Islam but somehow I do prefer our European backwardness. Silly me.

          • Colonel Mustard

            I was fascinated watching the left-fest documentary ‘Imagine’ about the photographer Don McCullin that whilst describing the fighting in Beirut in the 1970s he mentioned Christian factions in respect to the atrocities committed by all sides several times but the word ‘Muslim’ not once. He carefully avoided it. But he did mention the curious alliance there between leftists and muslims that I thought most prescient.

    • Daniel Maris

      You don’t have to be brilliant when you have a supine judiciary ready to allow the country to be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness. Latest case: rapist allowed to stay in this country because he (he claimed) sang a few songs that the Zambian government might not like. Some overpaid judged will have wasted expensive hours poring over the papers for that one.

  • Adrian Wainer

    Qatada gets to leave the UK in a shining luxury multi-million dollar executive jet. Ordinary British people get their heads hacked off with knives in dank cellars by Islamists. You write, ” This ejection is a significant accomplishment for Theresa May “,. Do you think your readers are idiots, Mr Fraser Nelson ?

  • allymax bruce

    Interesting juxtaposition of political imposition, and numbers; Labour 7/7 muslim terrorists murder ‘British’ citizens. Conservatives 7/7 muslim terrorist deported from ‘British territory!

  • Magnolia

    I’m in two minds about Mrs M.
    Firstly she has woefully mistaken ideas about equality.
    I wrote to her asking for an ombudsman or adjudicator to be instigated to investigate university admission complaints but was told that she was too busy to reply.
    The universities investigate complaints themselves!
    She redeems herself by refusing to extradite a man who’s actions were entirely in keeping with the nature of his disability.
    She made it plain that she would stand up for herself and her party when Dave was wallowing in a muddy liberal ditch.
    She displayed her strength with a glorious bright silk scarf at PMQs which she wore like a victor’s sash.
    Now she has managed to get one illegal immigrant deported.
    Such might deserves a chance.
    So Mrs May, please stop wearing the wacky outfits and just stick to classic suits with a draped silk square as your signature trademark and go back to basics on equality.
    You might yet get there.

    • Iain Hill

      “it’s the leadership, stupid!

  • http://www.economania.co.uk Bill Kruse

    Hmmmm… is Nelson expecting soon to hear, “Arise, Sir Fraser”? This is nauseatingly obsequious reporting, quite unnecessary.

    • Adrian Wainer

      ” Hmmmm… is Nelson expecting soon to hear, “Arise, Sir Fraser”? This is nauseatingly obsequious reporting, quite unnecessary. “,.
      Bill Kruse

      Well said. Qatada should have been given a bus pass to the beach at Folkestone and a pair of water-wings.

  • Flitmus

    For goodness sake, this isn’t May being tough – he’s going now *by consent*. He could have strung it out longer but even he couldn’t bear the Government’s continued discomfiture.

    • Andrew Barnes

      I’m minded to agree. Fraser mentions the non-use of torture as a condition, but of course (as Mr Nelson knows – it was a typo of sorts I think) it was the use of evidence gained as the result of torture of previous other witnesses that was the issue that the EHCR was concerned about. Of course, it is impossible to prove a negative – that torture wasn’t used in the gaining of any particular piece of evidence. A bit like ‘so, when did you stop beating your prisoners?’ He and his lawyers probably feel this was the best he was likely to get. Britain could always just do a France and ignore the ECHR and pop him on a plane anyway.

    • Tim Reed

      ” He could have strung it out longer but even he couldn’t bear the Government’s continued discomfiture.”

      So, finally, the current Home Secretary had the guts to demonstrate an absolute determination to see this through to the end, unlike her cowardly predecessors. In the end the result is the same, whether he felt he had no choice but to leave or whether he was forced out.

      On this issue, results are all that matter.

      • Flitmus

        Yep. It’s good that he’s gone (altho’ I would question the extent to which it is *a result* in the true sense), and it would be nice to have a strong Home Sec. I’ve seen no real evidence that we do have.

        • Tim Reed

          You’re probably right. She’s certainly an improvement on the last one, but that’s damning with the faintest of praise.

  • Colonel Mustard

    I’m disappointed that he was sent back on a private jet. The relative discomfort of a military cargo plane should have been good enough with a crated parachute drop at the other end. And what about his family?

    Not being the UK I doubt that Jordan will “gold plate” the treaty.

    Good riddance. Now get rid of all the other foreign extremists preaching hatred for the country they are happy to live in and exploit.

    • Abhay

      And bring in laws to handle serious treason – suspend welfare payment to those guilty of treason. No job seekers allowance, no free NHS, no housing benefit for traitors.

      • Adrian Wainer

        ” And bring in laws to handle serious treason – suspend welfare payment to those guilty of treason. No job seekers allowance, no free NHS, no housing benefit for traitors. “,.
        Abhay

        There are serious laws allready in existence for treason, somehow I do not think that Mr Cameron would be enthusiastic to see himself arrested and executed on a charge of treason?

        http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02390/david_2390425b.jpg

        • HookesLaw

          Stupid post

          • Adrian Wainer

            ” Stupid post “,.
            HookesLaw

            Why ?

            • HookesLaw

              Cameron is not a traitor. neither for that matter is Miliband.

              • Colonel Mustard

                They both are. Both are complicit in contravening the English Bill of Rights in 1689, as are most British governments since 1975.

                “…no foreign prince, person, prelate, state or potentate hath or ought to have any jurisdiction, power, superiority, pre-eminence or authority, ecclesiastical or spiritual, within this realm.”

                The current regime of EU jurisdiction over English subjects without their consent is in direct contravention of the Bill which considering its importance in English history was marvellously belittled and abrogated in 2009 in a HoC Briefing Paper under New Labour:-

                http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN00293

                But who champions and enforces historic English law against those who seek to control or abrogate it for their own purposes and who can now sneer at the settlement of 1689 as “obsolete but still unrepealed”?

                • Adrian Wainer

                  ” They both are. Both are complicit in contravening the English Bill of Rights in 1689, as are most British governments since 1975.

                  “…no foreign prince, person, prelate, state or potentate hath or ought to have any jurisdiction, power, superiority, pre-eminence or authority, ecclesiastical or spiritual, within this realm.”

                  The current regime of EU jurisdiction over English subjects without their consent is in direct contravention of the Bill which considering its importance in English history was marvellously belittled and abrogated in 2009 in a HoC Briefing Paper under New Labour:-

                  http://www.parliament.uk/brief

                  But who champions and enforces historic English law against those who seek to control or abrogate it for their own purposes and who can now sneer at the settlement of 1689 as “obsolete but still unrepealed”? “,.
                  Colonel Mustard

                  Excellent points and well made. The United Kingdom has been abolished as a sovereign state and made an administrative region of a European Union state and there is no act of Parliament to legalize these actions.

                • Wessex Man

                  Thersa May for PM!

      • Iain Hill

        And execute every third young person, chosen at random…

        • Abhay

          I think your socialist mind has removed the ability to read carefully before typing or may be your fingers no longer follow the commands of your brain.

          I have referred to treason laws – not ‘chosen at random’. Read.

          There should be enforcement of serious treason laws and someone convicted under such laws should lose state welfare.

          There is no reason why a traitor to the people of this country should be funded by the people of this country.

        • dalai guevara

          No Iain, implement a Logan’s Run policy.
          No doubt this would resolve the UKIP conundrum for the conservatives.

        • Drakken

          The point is completely beyond you. Leftist group think at it’s finest.

    • FrenchNewsonlin

      Yes no mention of the family who no doubt continue to suck on the teat of welfare largesse. Surely as he arrived under false pretences, they should be keeping him company ?

      • Alexsandr

        Mail reporting the neighbours in Stanmore want shot of them.

      • Colonel Mustard

        Yes. The news that they are going to be allowed to stay here suggests that we might expect Qatada back at some point. Human rights, families and all that.

        • Abhay

          Unless he gets a lifer in Jordan

    • Iain Hill

      Simples! Take them to court.

    • http://owsblog.blogspot.com Span Ows

      Better had somebody with smoking shoes and a bulging belt followed him on for a laugh!

    • Drakken

      The heck with a parachute, I would have chucked his jihadist azz somewhere over the Med, hey the fish gotta eat to.

  • David B

    Labour mess this up Theresa May has finally sorted it out. I hope Labour won’t spend the next few days trying to talk it down.

    • Fergus Pickering

      Well of course they will. But it won’t work.

      • telemachus

        As we speak Yvette is negotiating with Jordon to deport Len McCluskey

    • Adrian Wainer

      ” Labour mess this up Theresa May has finally sorted it out. I hope Labour won’t spend the next few days trying to talk it down. “,.
      David B

      ” sorted ” what out ?

      • David B

        I think a comment made about Qatata leaving the country and a photo braking it up might have been self evident. But 5 Labour Home Secretaries were more interested in internal fighting of the Labour Party so the home office was not fit for purpose and they did not put effort into sorting the mess out.

        One conservative Home Secretary, a lot of determination and a willingness to put in the hard work and he is now gone. SORTED

        • Adrian Wainer

          ” I think a comment made about Qatata leaving the country and a photo braking it up might have been self evident. But 5 Labour Home Secretaries were more interested in internal fighting of the Labour Party so the home office was not fit for purpose and they did not put effort into sorting the mess out.

          One conservative Home Secretary, a lot of determination and a willingness to put in the hard work and he is now gone. SORTED “,.
          David B

          ” photo braking it up “,.
          What is ” braking ” ?

          ” sorting the mess out “,.
          How is anything sorted out, he left voluntarily ?

          ” conservative “,.
          If she is a “conservative” what is she doing in the present Government ?

          ” But 5 Labour Home Secretaries were more interested in internal fighting of the Labour Party “,.
          LibLabCon is one party I am not really interested in this line of argument because it based on the lie that Labour and Tories are two different parties, when it is simply badge engineering designed to fool the public that they are getting something different in a choice between Labour and the Tories when the reality is on core issues such as Islam they are exactly the same.

          • David B

            He left because he was going to be deported. There’s an old saying “did he fall did he jump or was he pushed”. The pressure May has exerted resulted in him leaving.

            The rest of your post is not wort responding to

      • Bert3000

        There was this man who looked bit funny and despite the complete and utter absence of any actual evidence, newspaper propietors, and a stream of home secretaries who did everything that newspaper proprietors told them to, decided he was evil and that it was only nasty foreign ideas like freedom, decency and fair play that stopped them sending him to prison.

        But it’s all sorted now and Teresa May has told us that she’ll make sure we don’t have to have any of that nasty foreign freedom here.

        • Colonel Mustard

          Very good. Thanks for another demonstration of the utterly perverse and warped mentality of some people on the left.

          “War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength”

          etc.

          • Bert3000

            A previous generation of Britons fought for freedom and many lost their lives in the process. And you couldn’t give a spit for it. You are contemptible and your pathetic pseudo military title makes you even more so.

            • Colonel Mustard

              You are wrong about all that. And your rant about fighting for “freedom” might be slightly more credible if you hadn’t written this:-

              “UKIP is a far right racist party. Of course its members aren’t fit to be foster parents.”

              • Bert3000

                And the people who won our great fight for freedom wouldn’t have a lot of time for the pathetic little fascists of UKIP. They stand full square against everything that’s decent about Britain and Britishness.

                But it’s evening. You’re probably out somewhere pissing on war memorials. How dare all those awful people have fought against that nice Mr Hitler? – he’d have got rid of all these awful foreigners.

                • Wessex Man

                  You really are one sick piece of work arn’t you.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Now you are just being offensive and disgusting. Members of my close family died in British service during the the last war and the Great War. Their names are on war memorials and in Commonwealth War Graves. My great grandfather served in both the South African War and Great War. Both my grandfathers served in the Great War and only one came back and he was wounded. Seven uncles or great uncles served in both wars and two were killed. My father served in the last war. Our family tradition of service to the nation extends back over 250 years.

                  I detest fascism, however it is masqueraded. Which is why I have so little time for you. Your method of attack is utterly bogus and I’ll take no lectures on Britain or Britishness from the likes of you.

                • Bert3000

                  You don’t detest fascism. You peddle it constantly here.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  An apology for your previous smear would have been better than ignoring my reply and adding another one.

                  Says a lot about you – “Bert”. Wessex Man has you sussed.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  And by the way, Qatada is facing charges for conspiracy in terrorism in Jordan as well as having been convicted in his absence of acts of conspiracy in terrorism. He actively supported Bin Laden and had proven links to al-Qaeda. Collins described him as being “heavily involved, indeed was at the centre in the United Kingdom of terrorist activities associated with al-Qaeda. He is a truly dangerous individual”.

                  So the man you are attempting to defend by attacking UKIP was not just “funny looking”.

        • fantasy_island

          Teresa May-u-akbar

        • Tintagel

          He was an illegal immigrant who came to Britain in 1993 on a forged passport. He claimed asylum on the grounds of ‘religious persecution’.

          He is under worldwide embargo by the United Nations Security Council Committee 1267 for his alleged affiliation with al-Qaeda.

          In 1999 he was sentenced in absentia by Jordan to life imprisonment with hard labour for conspiracy to carry out terror attacks and subsequently in 2000 to a further 25 years for his involvement in a plot to bomb tourists attending Millennium celebrations in Jordan.

          But hey-ho, we’ve got so many Islamists preaching and fund raising here in the UK that one more wouldn’t make much difference would it?

    • Iain Hill

      If you think deporting an untried prisoner (I make no assumptions about guilt or innocence) sorts anything out, then beware you do not inherit the fascist state you seem to long for. Thank god Scotland will soon depart.

      • Abhay

        AQ entered this country illegally, broke the border control law, used forged documents. Which part of that is not criminal? But then you are a leftie. You will have strange notions of criminality.

        • allymax bruce

          Scotland is happy to be rid of him too. Even that Scotland will soon be independent. In-deed, I believe in our soon to be independent Scotland, we would have got rid of him sooner!

          • Simon Morgan

            You’ll only be as independent as the buffoons in Europe will allow you to be. In short – not independent at all 🙁

            • Alexsandr

              dafter than that. they want to use what will be the English Pound. How independent without their own currency and therefore fiscal independence?

              • Iain Hill

                When a partnership splits, the assets (ie the £) belong to both.

        • Patricia

          “AQ entered this country illegally, broke the border control law, used forged documents. ”

          Yes indeed he did and what may I ask did he and his leech-like family live on, how did they get a home and where is their financial support still coming from ?
          What are these people to us that we bankroll them ?

          • Abhay

            We bankroll them and many like them.
            That is why I support tough treason laws that would remove welfare support for such people.

      • Adrian Wainer

        ” If you think deporting an untried prisoner (I make no assumptions about guilt or innocence) sorts anything out, then beware you do not inherit the fascist state you seem to long for. Thank god Scotland will soon depart. “,.
        Iain Hill

        If Scotland leaves the United Kingdom but then joins the European Union on a similar basis to the UK then Scotland will not be a sovereign state as it will merely have changed its status from being part of the UK Administrative Region of the European Union Single Fascist State to being an administrative region of European Union Single Fascist State in its own right. As for the claim that not to allow Qatada to stay in the UK is unfair are you also of the opinion that the decision of the Chamberlain Government to allow Jewish Children from Germany and Austria to find safety in the UK in the 1930s was an act of criminal terrorism on the basis you agree with the views of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Amin al Husseini.

        https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1985-116-19A,_Amin_al_Husseini_bei_bosnischen_SS-Freiwilligen.jpg

        • allymax bruce

          When Scotland is independent, then we will have a referendum on if we want to be in the EU.
          Upon Scotland winning our Yes vote, Scotland will be an independent Sovereign Nation.
          You, are scaremongering; but nobody is listening anymore.

      • David B

        He has been deported to a country that believes he has committed a criminal offences and he has been hiding behind our courts for 10 years in an effort to avoid answering those charges. We have not decided on his guilt or innocence we are letting the courts of Jordan decide.

        But this man effectively preached that if you did not believe in what he believed (in Islam) he or his followers were allowed to kill you. I come from Northern Ireland and have buried friends because people had that attitude. Believe me the fascist don’t spend 10 years in court getting a result, the fascist attack those that disagree with them, purely because they disagree with them.

        As for Scotland, the Scott’s will decide but departure looks the least likely option, which put you in the minority.

        • Iain Hill

          you are out of date!

          The Scott’s (ie Dukes of Buccleuch) are no longer in charge. The people will decide.

          • David B

            Role on September 2014, then all the debate will be over.

      • fantasy_island

        What about deporting a tried one?

        Youse hoons sent Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi back to Tripoli.

        Stick to selling cabbages iain.

    • dalai guevara

      Talk it down? Lord almighty – you lot have been talking this up for ten years, there was simply no more mileage to get out of this one.

  • http://www.facebook.com/alan.douglas.1042 Alan Douglas

    For what political reason was this NOT done years ago by Labour ? It’s the sort of thing that should have been actioned immediately, while waiting for the “legals” to be sorted, with the worst possible consequence being a slap on the wrist. “Naughty, naughty, that was illegal”.

    Oops, sorry.

    Alan Douglas

    • http://www.economania.co.uk Bill Kruse

      His rights are our rights. Would you want a future government to unlawfully invade your house and carry you off for rendition? I’m guessing not so best keep it legal then.

      • Wessex Man

        Are you preaching hatred on our streets/? am I? Do grow up!

      • Colonel Mustard

        No they are not. As anyone contemplating the difference between this charade and the extradition of British citizens to the USA, or the difference between Hamza/Qatada and Emma West’s treatment will perfectly understand.

      • Abhay

        Absolutely not.
        For starters, he was not a citizen of this country. He broke the law to enter it. He should have been deported back then. We should be asking why he wasn’t?

        • http://www.economania.co.uk Bill Kruse

          As I undestand it, it was because deporting him would be sending him to be tortured, not something we’re supposed to approve of. So we’ve been in a cleft stick. But correct me if I’m wrong.

          • Abhay

            You are wrong.

            We are not morality enforcers of the world. We should enforce our laws in our jurisdiction. He entered the country illegally. He should have been ejected out.

            Furthermore, he is a terror preacher. He has no protection of morality to begin with.

            • Iain Hill

              I must have missed the details of his conviction. Can you give court date and location, please?

              • Abhay

                I have given some in response to a stupid post of yours above. Try reading it. If your fingers can still type then search the internet for the rest. I will only help you further if you pay me fees.

              • fantasy_island

                Do you support the European arrest warrant iain?

                They might come for you next with any luck.

          • Colonel Mustard

            When in power Labour facilitated/turned a blind eye to the rendition of suspects for torture.

          • HookesLaw

            Allegedly. tortured.

          • Drakken

            What that jihadist SOB gets is what he deserves, need a tissue?

      • Iain Hill

        Good for you. Why does this entirely self-evident point elude so many intelligent people? May’s crazed determination to play out this piece of theatre is political, and perhaps even personal-political. Sadly, the public is now so desensitised by a diet of trivia and sensation that it will probably work and give us our first Fuhrerin.

    • trapezium

      In Britain we try to follow something called the law.

      We’ve long been suspicious of the habit of thought that boils down to “the end justifies the means”.

      Is it different where you come from?

      • Colonel Mustard

        Really? We have a major political party in this country that pursues almost every single policy, secret or otherwise, on the basis of “the end justifies the means”. Their advocates here regularly tell us that “winning is everything” and this extends not just to being “economic with the truth” but undermining, smearing and marginalising whole sections of society.

        Wherever have you been since 1997?

        • dalai guevara

          1986, Colonel. I am not quite as easily as you appear to be letting go of public order.

          • Colonel Mustard

            Fallacious. Erosion of civil liberties and “the end justifies the means” related but not mutually inclusive. I am by no means convinced the 1986 Act could be construed as the latter although it no doubt proved useful on inheritance by the national socialists – which is precisely what concerns me about the Snoopers Charter.

            • dalai guevara

              Erosion, followed by total information awareness.

              Nowadays, bidding for significant national/international contracts cease to occur without the latter. This is my point of criticism: supposedly level playing fields quite evidently no longer are.

      • Simon Morgan

        It doesn’t matter what our laws are – haven’t you figured that out yet?? It’s the left-wing pinheads in Brussels that control us, body and soul.

      • Drakken

        Our laws are not a suicide pact with those who wish us harm.

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