What can society learn from the ‘grooming’ scandals?

15 May 2013

12:27 AM

15 May 2013

12:27 AM

The verdicts have been delivered in the Operation Bullfinch trial. Seven of the nine men have been found ‘guilty’. The case involved the highly organised sexual and physical abuse of underage girls in the ‘care’ system. This was carried out by a gang of men in Oxfordshire over the course of nearly a decade.

As I wrote of one of the most shocking aspects of the case:

‘One of the victims sold into slavery was a girl of 11. She was branded with the initial of her “owner” abuser: “M” for Mohammed. The court heard that Mohammed “branded her to make her his property and to ensure others knew about it”.’


There is bound to be considerable debate now around this case. For the moment I think the Ramadhan Foundation has got it right by pointing out the important fact that:

‘80% of child sexual abuse is carried out by white men but on the phenomenon of on street grooming there is an over representation of Asian men and white victims.’

As with the Tia Sharp murder case Rod wrote about here, debate will now divide between those who think some societal lessons can be taken from this and those who say that it is of no wider significance.

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  • JC

    I think an answer is found in this speech by Chris Hitchens:
    Treating non-Muslim women as booty is an attitude I have found to exist in many Muslim men (even the educated ones — albeit here less unashamed).

  • John Pitcher

    The disgusting crimes of the Pakistani men in Oxford have
    awoken British society. What has been found, as sleepy eyes are opening? It is
    rather as though an individual, still befuddled by sleep, wakes to find
    burglars wrecking the home; leaving excrement smeared on the walls. The
    individual staggers about in his pyjamas shouting,

    ‘Get out you bastards! Scumbags, animals, look what you have
    done to my beautiful home. If I had a gun I would kill you now.’

    At the moment British society is like the individual; at
    least some of society is. There are
    individuals who could awake and act calmly, with far seeing reason. There is a
    sector of society that is working quietly, saying little, thinking and trying
    not to make matters worse by the exercise of perfectly normal, reflexive,
    action. This sector is hard to find in the media because their reactions do not
    sell newsprint, generate hits or draw viewers to the TV screens. But it is this
    sector that will be landed with the job of actually doing something about what
    is a real crisis in the Pakistani community. But what do we get? Mostly we get
    knee-jerk reactions and crying, ‘We told you so’. Reactions like this are
    futile; a waste of time and energy. Outrage is justified but too often expended
    more for the self-satisfaction it brings to the person expending it than for
    any practical reason.

    The Pakistani creatures that have been grooming and raping
    white girls are mostly, if not all, British citizens (correct?). The massive
    bulk of the Pakistani community is legally in Britain (as far as I know?) and
    most are British (again?); born in Britain or holding dual nationality (yet
    again?) Following these crimes it is tempting to blame the lot but you cannot
    because, definitely, not all Pakistani men rape children. They do not. It is
    also wrong to blame their religion because not all Muslims rape children. They
    really do not.

    Being suffused by anger is a dangerous way in which to view
    anything as it allows a person, or a society, to release mindless hatred. There
    is a lot of hatred for Islam in Britain. Anything bad that can in any manner be
    linked to Islam is grabbed with satisfaction and used, not because of a desire
    to empathise with a victim or victims, or to help them, but because it is a
    tool with which to attack the main target once again. Yet, even if Islam was to
    blame (and it isn’t) you cannot eradicate Islam from Britain anymore than you
    can eradicate the Pakistani community (which as a whole is not to blame either).

    Subliminally everyone knows they are looking at a British
    problem; not a Pakistani problem. For one thing paedophile gangs exist in all
    communities, but more than that however much you may hate multiculturalism,
    however much you may see the crimes as a result of the crazed immigration policies
    of a, latterly but not at the time, hated government (New Labour); this only
    brings the passing satisfaction of feeling you have been proved right, it does
    nothing to sort the (British) problem out.

    As with terrorism the Pakistani community is being called
    upon to get on its collective knees and beg forgiveness. At every outrage of
    any kind, worldwide, Muslims, or a particular community, are now expected to
    take collective responsibility as if they have authorised the obscene act, or
    as if they covertly approve of it. The lack of communal sorrow and begging to
    be forgiven is seen as proof of guilt. This is absurd and totally against all
    the principles of a democratic society; it requires that society ignores the
    cohesive bonds of the rule of law of the state, the very concept of society,
    and authorises communities to act in isolation; because after the contrition
    for their, assumed, collective responsibility a community (ethnic and/or
    religious) is then expected to sort itself out and ‘bring the scumbags under
    control’. But in a democracy that action is the duty of the police and the
    legal system working on behalf of, and
    with the authority of, all of society. Even in dictatorships it is the
    authorities that have the responsibility to enforce the law; although the law
    cannot in that case be described as the law of the people.

    The danger in expecting communities to sort themselves out
    is that you hand authority to vigilantism; you make every big city in Britain
    with large communities of different ethnicities like Belfast in the 1970’s and
    80’s. In the case of the Pakistani community you give the go ahead for Sharia
    Law as it is that which will be used to put on trial and punish transgressors
    who are endangering it, the (Pakistani) community, within the country in which
    the majority want to live in peace. You, British society, have said, ‘we cannot
    handle this so do it yourselves’; and they will. They will, because this is
    what the fundamentalists who spawn the terrorists want. They will because you
    are handing, by default, creatures who are even more deadly than child rapists
    the right to control the whole community. You are isolating the decent, peace
    loving law abiding majority and turning your backs in disgust: That is the most
    stupid and dangerous thing you can possibly do.

    No matter how gut turning and difficult it may be to get
    into the Pakistani community and search for the dirt, no matter what the police
    and social services have to do and no matter what laws of disclosure need to be
    reinforced etc to accomplish this; the way to tackle such a vile aberration as
    the crimes that have been committed in Oxford (and other places) is to draw the
    Pakistani community closer, by the force of the law if necessary, not drive
    wedges between it and the rest of society and tell it to sort itself out. As a
    country at the moment, as a society, Britain is beginning to act like the EDL;
    shouting insults and revelling in blame allocation, without a thought for
    solutions. These are British men raping
    British children. Some British people, maybe most, may not like that
    thought; but that is the reality. The
    culture is imported and it has some serious faults but it is now a part of
    British culture; both the good and the bad of it: The bad needs changing so
    that it conforms to British standards and all of Britain needs to be aware of
    it, acting in an effort to change it; not by exclusion but by involvement.

    • Petra Thompson

      “As with terrorism the Pakistani community is being called
      upon to get on its collective knees and beg forgiveness.”

      Really? When did Pakistanis in Britain (or muslims in Britain) get blamed for terrorism by the media, the police, the politicians? Never. Despite there being 250 muslims convicted of terrorism there since 2001. If terrorism was as common among non-muslims in Britain, then we would need to see about 5000 non-muslims convicted of terrorism, just to be able to say “there is no correlation with islam and terrorism in Britain”.

      Those prominent muslims or muslim organisations in Britain who have condemned the grooming gangs I could count on the fingers of one hand. Non-muslim paedophiles are often attacked and driven out of the areas where they live. I’ve yet to see a single case of that happening to the 100s of muslim men who have raped children in Britain.

  • Petra Thompson

    How is it The Telegraph and the Justice Minister can flat out make contradictory statements about this incredibly serious story?

    The say “the Pakistani community” must do something, when in the Oxford case 2 of the men were “north African”. How can they be so blind? They are attempting to square the circle. Anything but point the finger at islam.

    “It goes without saying that every world religion condemns the exploitation and abuse of children”, yet manuals of sharia law available in public libraries in England say that a muslim man can have intercourse with a pre-menstrual child. (Reliance of the Traveller, n9.9).

    We were told for 10 years by police and social services, that these grooming gangs were a myth. Then in the last year we’ve been told “it’s asians”. Now we’re told “it’s Pakistanis”. We all know that it goes on in Holland with Turks and Moroccans. And there is that horrific link posted of those cases of muslim girls in Islington being married off and raped at the age of 9 years of age.

  • stephengreen

    More damage control in this article, nothing to see here, here are the parameters in which to conduct any discussion of this topic, off you go..

    To break out of the little cubicle in which our MSM would have us consider these issues, might we not first consider that ethnically Pakistani people are about 2% of the population of England and Wales, obviously adult males a significantly smaller percentage. So any journalist who suggests:

    “the important fact that 80% of child sexual abuse is carried out by white men but on the phenomenon of on street grooming there is an over representation of Asian men and white victims.”

    thereby shows that he is acting in a propagandist capacity, not that of a serious journalist.

    Secondly, most abuse, such as it is in the UK is conducted by those who are familiar with the victim, generally a family member and almost always an activity committed by one individual.

    Developing a technique to inveigle pre-pubescent girls to take drink and drugs, the raping and tormenting them and using selling them to other men within your community, bares no relation to other cases of incestual abuse.

    Any journalist who suggests, what this one has above, should be considered to be a conduit of black propaganda and anything they have said previously, or in the future should be viewed in that light.

  • rosie

    What we learn each time is that the media and the political world “move on” with indecent haste.
    Imagine the races of the victims and criminals being reversed and then ask yourself how many times down the decades these cases would still be being commented on and acted upon.

  • Petra Thompson

    The Ramadhan Foundation’s solution to these problems? Implement sharia law.

    does sharia law mean? It means the subjugation of non-muslims as 3rd
    class citizens. It means the abolition of democracy and the imposition
    of dictatorship. It means that old men can marry pre-menstrual girls
    (see section n9.9 of The Reliance of the Traveller).

    Either Douglas doesn’t know enough about the Ramadhan Foundation, or he doesn’t know enough about sharia law.

    • MariaKay

      Yes and notice the sleight of hand that has been foisted on us? The Muslims are demanding that we Westerners implement sharia law to “cure” a problem that they themselves have created!

      Orwellian doesn’t begin to describe it.