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Some anti-fascists are very fascistic

17 May 2013

5:36 PM

17 May 2013

5:36 PM

Nigel Farage has just met one of the most fascinating aspects of modern politics.

He was surrounded in Edinburgh by left-wing ‘anti-fascists’ shouting ‘Racist scum. Go back to England’. The same mob also screamed ‘scum’ repeatedly at the top of their voice until they made him leave. This is probably the best demonstration so far of something which has gone un-remarked upon for too long.

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Among the closest thing we have to fascists in modern Britain are people who call themselves ‘anti-fascists’. Not all people who call themselves ‘anti-fascist’, thank goodness. But a sizable portion.  If you ever see these people in action you will notice that they behave in exactly the way you would expect their alleged opponents to behave. It is not just their behaviour (screaming, shouting, marching, fighting, threatening, brawling etc) that is so evocative of fascism. It is the belief that their rigid belief system is the only correct one and that all opponents are ‘scum’ who must be ‘smashed’ (this really is the language they use).

Their targets now include people who are actual anti-fascists. I have written here before of how Hope not Hate, an ‘anti-fascist’ group took it upon itself to publish a top-ten hit-list of ‘Islamophobes’, one of whom – a Danish journalist and free-speech advocate – was subsequently visited by an assassin. In recent weeks Hope not Hate have been mulling over whether to campaign against UKIP as well as the BNP. By crossing such lines ‘anti-fascists’ do more than strip terms we need of any meaning. They turn language and politics upside down.

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  • global city

    I spotted a typo in the headline to this blog. I am sure that Douglas would have meant to write MOST ‘anti fascists’, rather than SOME?

  • Lantern

    Thank you for this brave article – and about time it was said.The mass-media normally cheers on the violence of this establishment driven hate-cult.

  • Knives_and_Faux

    Oh do please keep up, that the ‘anti fascists’ are the actual fascists has been the case for at least fifteen years. It’s slightly embarrassing that you have only just noticed.

  • imnokuffar

    Careful Douglas you might get

  • WorthSayingAgain

    Turning laguage upside down is a characteristic of Fabian Marxism, so it’s to be expected.

  • NephilimWings

    Just as here in Sweden then.

  • OPLucas

    The best way to defeat “fascism” (whatever that means these days…) is in an open debate, apeing the tactics of the brown shirts is not the way to go.

  • AlexanderGalt

    When in a different context supposedly sensible right of centre newspapers
    like the Telegraph fail to even mention the religion of the Oxford Muslim rape
    gang members you know you’re in trouble.

    Really, the biggest problem is how scared conservatives are of progressive tantrums.

    Incidentally, there’s a great take on the multicultural progressives hold on the country in, “Our Dictators” at:

    http://john-moloney.blogspot.com/

  • Andrew

    Who would bet against MI5 having some involvement in this.

  • MikeF

    I’ve just realised this incident took place on the 250th anniversary of the first meeting of James Boswell and Samuel Johnson. As so often Johnson retains an uncanny relevance – what a pity Nigel Farage didn’t quote him. Remember their interchange after Bowell’s initial somewhat faltering attempt to introduce himself:
    Johnson: “Do I detect from your accent you are Scottish?”
    Boswell: “I own it but I cannot help it.”
    Johnson: “That sir is what I find a great many of your countrymen cannot help.”

    • Jambo25

      It is worth noting that Johnson was an unpleasant bigot who would probably no longer be remembered as anything other than a minor footnote in literary history were it not for the Scotsman, Boswell, who wrote probably the greatest biography in the English language. He was the real literary genius.

      • MikeF

        Typical formulaic use of the word ‘bigot’ as a reflexive curseword devoid of definition or justification and employed instead for its sound and appearance. Johnson, though at times boorish in manner, was an acute observer of human nature who was also well able to satirise himself e.g. in his definition in his own dictionary of a lexicographer as a ‘harmless drudge’. Real bigots always take themselves very seriously.

        • Jambo25

          Read Johnson’s comments about Scots and Scotland. If your Scottish you might well think him a teensy wee bit of a bigoted boor. He was part of a grand Scottophobic English tradition in the 18th century . Hogarth and Wilkes fitted into the same category.

          • Wessex Man

            Much like Alisdair Gray today!

      • The_greyhound

        Johnson wasn’t a bigot.

        But you are a bigoted ignoramus.

  • MikeF

    “Among the closest thing we have to fascists in modern Britain are people who call themselves ‘anti-fascists’.” They often go by the name of ‘socialists’.

    • global city

      and ‘Liberals’, ‘Liberal-Left’, ‘New Left’, ‘New Labour’…and so on.

      They are all fascistic bastards at heart.

  • terregles2

    One of the funders of UKIP is Demetri Marchessini…….Has anyone read his book ….Oh Dear
    One of those arrested in Edinburgh describes himself as a proud Englishman and it now seems that others came up from England to demonstrate in Edinburgh……..Oh Dear…..
    But hey it’s not all doom and gloom we can still carry on with a bit of JOCK bashing is that not what the JOCKS are for?

    • global city

      I am sure that a compilation of unsavoury comments from the register of minutes of any Labour borough council meeting would unearth more of those sorts of comments every week than you could in a year of examining every word from every UKIP associate?

      • terregles2

        Well I abhor all racism and although I would never vote for the labour party I would be disgusted if any Scottish political party made derogotary remarks about any English people. I have never heard any of them doing so but if I did I would be hassling the leader of the party to demand that they have it stopped and demand that they publicly apologise to the English nation. I have heard some parties denigrate Westminster government never any abuse towards Welsh English or Irish people.
        I don’t know what goes on behind closed doors at any labour borough council meeting, just as you don’t know either.
        What I do know is that if any Scottish politician had publicly abused the English as UKIP Ron Northcott and Lord Monckton abused the Scots there would have been a public outcry. Demetri Marchessini of UKIP made more unacceptable remarks about women but I am disappointed that UKIP do not seem to condemn them.
        I think perhaps Mr Farage was lucky that he did not get heckled by women over the Mr Marchessini remarks.

  • CelticAngloPress

    Minority Rule: The Rise of Political Correctness – Documentary
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz8pzG02oxU

    • Wessex Man

      So what do you want us to do behave like a bunch of Nazis as you clearly are judging by this link!

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAebOPGpp0k pkgulag

      Very relevant subject.

  • http://ajbrenchley.com/ Swank

    Nigel, as they say in America, is a ‘class act’. Shame on the people that abused him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dawn.simmonds.77 Dawn Simmonds

    Funny how the fascist left have left UKIP alone until now isn’t it? And isn’t Cameron a supporter of ‘Hope Not Hate’ – or whatever Orwellian title the Spartists give themselves these days?

    • Billwalpole

      Cameron is also a founder member of UAF, whose members threw darts at an elected MEP outside parliament but were never charged, despite clear video footage being widely available,

      • Fergus Pickering

        All MEPs should have darts thrown at them, poisoned ones for preference. I make an exception for Nigel Farage and another one for that nice Tory whose name I have forgotten.

        • terregles2

          You are saying it is alright to abuse politicians as long as they are politicians that you don’t like.
          You sound a bit like the Edinburgh demonstrators yourself.

          • Fergus Pickering

            For MEPs I make an exception.

            • terregles2

              You are indeed then just like the Edinburgh demonstrators.

  • Colonel Mustard
  • Blazeaway

    Hope not Hate is government funded. Why?

    • Colonel Mustard

      Good question. What should concern us even more about this organisation is that it can apparently decide who/what is fascist/racist/hate and smear them/it without having to prove the accusation in a court of law.

      • http://www.facebook.com/SyG21 Simon Gothard

        So we are using our own money to gag ourselves.

    • John Reid

      Oh No, operation black vote is government funded too, and Newham police watch is lottery funded

  • edlancey

    The only thing worse than the national embarrassment of seeing the leader of a legal political party being harangued by some layabouts was the almost universal approval of their actions by the Scottish commentariat and in the blogs of the Scotsman and The Herald.

    They seem utterly unaware that they are making Scotland a laughing stock.

    Independence would be a disaster – they seem intent on re-creating some grim east european Soviet satellite where all but the most approved viewpoints can be shouted down in the streets with intimidation and the threat of violence while the media nods in sneering acquiesence.

    • Jambo25

      I don’t think there was “universal approval” by the Scottish commentariat or the Scottish people for that matter. The reality is that most of us veered between mild amusement and total disinterest.

      • http://www.facebook.com/john.court.315 John Court

        There was a major failure to condemn this. Most (led by Salmond) just condemned law breaking, hardly the same thing.

        • terregles2

          There again Farage did not condemn the racist anti Scots abuse that Ron Northcott a UKIP canditate spewed out.
          Why would Salmond apologise for demonstrators they were not candidates for his party.

          • Wessex Man

            oh for Heavens sake give it a rest you are beginning to come across as a stuck record!

            • terregles2

              You have a tantrum every time Northcott’s name is mentioned because you hate the UKIP real agenda to be made public.

              • Wessex Man

                Theres no such thing you really are getting desperate now, the reason UKip is growing at such a pace is that every policy is what the electorate actually want rather thanyour fantasies, grow up!

      • edlancey

        “almost universal approval”, Sherlock.

        Just look at the comments on the Scotsman or the Herald, or watch/listen to any BBC Scotland news items.

        Still, you are a jambo so denying reality comes as second nature.

        • Jambo25

          I have looked at those comments and there was neithe “universal” nor “almost universal” approval “Sherlock”. A lot of people were somewhat amused that a would be major league pol, who has been known for handing out abuse, obviously couldn’t take it himself.

          • edlancey

            Oh well, it’s not a big deal, we’ll have to agree to disagree.

      • Fergus Pickering

        Uninterest surely. English must be kept up.

        • terregles2

          Perhaps disinterest was the appropriate word as many Scots did indeed look at the situation without bias unlike the vast majority of posters on this forum.

  • thanksdellingpole

    This is the best advert for why we need a UKIP government.

  • brossen99
  • margaret benjamin

    What a nasty bunch of people,felt sorry for Nigel bet he thought he was going into the lions den! Alex Salmond has allways struck me as a misery. So I agree how would he have liked it coming to Britain and getting that sort of treatment? I think he should be made to apologise to Nigel Farage if Alex Salmond is meant to be a public figure.It would defiantly be the right thing to do.

    • allymax bruce

      It had nothing to do with Alex’ Salmond, SNP, or Scottish Government, the protestors were the fascist Labour Party.

      • margaret benjamin

        Really Im talking about Alex Salmond and the remarks he made.

        • Jambo25

          What remarks? Do tell,

        • terregles2

          What remarks Margaret?
          Was he in Britain at the time?

          • margaret benjamin

            Why has Scotland got complete Independence now?????

            • terregles2

              No Margaret there are four countries in the UK. They are also known as great Britain.
              You asked how Salmond would feel if he came to Britain. As Scotland in not independent how could he come to Britain when Scotland is part of Britain and he is already in Britain.
              You really sound dreadfully mixed up/.

              • margaret benjamin

                IM NOT MIXED UP YOU MORON. WE KNOW THEIR ARE FOUR SO WHATS YOUR POINT? PITY YOU DIDNT JOIN THE DEBATE DAYS AGO! YOU NEW EXACTLY WHAT I MEANT ABOUT BEING IN BRITON,AS YOU WOULD SAY IM IN SCOTLAND OR HE HAS GONE TO WALES,
                GET LOST STOP SENDING ME MESSAGES. ANSWERS ON A POSTCARD.

      • Colonel Mustard

        No, Salmond’s politics have exacerbated the bitterness and resentment that can be seen even in these threads. New Labour began the process with devolution, a luke warm denial of Union that sowed the seed of separation. That mob was the product of both. It should have triggered shame and condemnation rather than triumph.

        • terregles2

          The seeds of separation were sown back in the 1950’s They were sown when the Scottish people had nuclear weapons forced upon them in spite of protests we now have nuclear weapons stored in a highly populated area of Scotland. The Thatcher years saw a further rise in the wish for independence because so many in Scotland disagreed with her policies.

          The wish for independence grew even more when Blair moved the English maritime border up from Berwick to Carnoustie.
          When people read the McCrone report and the Great Obfuscation 2006 the independence vote rose even further.

          When people had access to HMT statistics and figures Scottish independence votes increased even more.

          Scotland was given devolution to try and halt the wish for independence. Salmond does not have policies. The policies that he has are the wishes of the Scottish people. that is why he is the only UK politician elected by a majority vote.

          • Harold Angryperson

            From your comment anybody would think that only Scotland has to host nuclear weapons, when in fact Berkshire (Aldermaston, and Welford) another highly populated area – more so than Faslane – has to as well. Until quite recently Norfolk (RAF Marham) and Wiltshire (Dean Hill) had nukes on their doorstep as well.

            If you are part of a nation, then you share in that national responsibility until it is democratically decided otherwise. To insinuate that Scotland is used as some kind of nuclear dumping ground in order to spare England is either ill-informed or dishonest.

          • Colonel Mustard

            You write as if you represent Scotland rather than a political party in Scotland. Your party received 44-45% of the votes. To use the “Labour method” of assessing your support – 55% of Scottish people did not vote for your party. Newsflash: the referendum hasn’t been held yet.

            You write as if CND represents Scotland. As if the UK’s nuclear capability was the imposition of a foreign power rather than the decision of a government in a parliament in which Scots MPs represented their constituencies. Did these anti-nuclear protests include those who benefit from jobs as a result?

            It is very clear that the SNP is partly a vehicle for a disparate collection of chippies seething with Anglophobe resentment and/or other anti-agendas and who believe that being members of a political party with Country + National in its name somehow confers on them the privilege of speaking for all Scotland. Yes, I stand by my comparisons with the BNP.

            • terregles2

              I am not a member of any political party. I am voting YES but i am not an SNP member.
              Look on the bright side. You never tire of sniping at Scotland and all thinks Scottish so you can look foeward to getting rid of us in 2014.
              You will no longer have any Scottish MP’s in Westminster so that should help keep you happy. We are all looking forward to our future in Scotland you should do the same.
              Independence for England you will love it.

              • Colonel Mustard

                You must have me confused with someone else or like some of the other half-wits trolling here you prefer to write my comments for me so that you can then condemn them.

                What will probably happen in 2014 is that Salmond will get devo max and we will be stuck with Labour’s Scottish politicians in Westminster. You don’t honestly believe that this constitutional stitch up is actually going to result in any of the troughers losing their places at the troughs do you?

                Whatever happens England will never be independent and never be free of its celtic burdens.

          • Adam

            How many socialist Labour governments have the English had to endure because the Scots vote for them? Doesn’t it work both ways?

            • terregles2

              Might I suggest that you watch youtube Top 10 unionist myths debunked. that will answer your question

              • Adam

                So only the Scots are put upon by the English, whilst the English are never similarly put upon.
                I can’t wait for Scottish independence, if only so I don’t need to hear the interminable whining anymore.

                • Jambo25

                  No but we Scots have somewhere to go to.

                • Adam

                  Be my guest.

                • global city

                  Too many Scots leaders have been allowed to sustain the lie that the British Union was an English take over, which of course, it wasn’t.

          • Fergus Pickering

            But only 30% want independence. Are the others all deluded?

          • global city

            Nah, it was when oil and gas was discovered in ‘Scottish’ (i.e. British) waters

        • Jambo25

          Then bitterness seems to come from mainly people like you.

      • margaret benjamin

        What like you!

    • terregles2

      How would he have liked it coming to Britain.? Where exactly would that be? Salmond is in Britain when he is in Scotland.

      • Colonel Mustard

        And yet you want to deny that and make Scotland a foreign country.

        • terregles2

          We want to govern our own country like almost every country in the world. We think we could make a better job of it than the incompetent Westminster. It is hardly a revolutionary idea.
          When I go to the republic of Ireland I don’t feel that I am in a “foreign” country. I feel quite at home as I do when I travel throughout Europe.
          The point I was making in reply to Margaret is that she seems to think England is Britain and Scotland Wales and northern Ireland are not.
          A little bit arrogant.

          • Colonel Mustard

            Scots MPs represent Scotland in Westminster which is the government of the United Kingdom and has been since the Union of 1707. In addition Scots now have representation in their own parliament.

            I repeat, you want to break that Union up for populist, nationalist reasons to become a foreign country in Britain.

            • terregles2

              Scots are represented in Westminster and we have to listen to constant moaning from some people whinging in England about that. If we send Laboutr MP’s to Westminster we have to listen to constant abuse and hatred from English Tories for doing so.
              It is not a union worth having any longer. Better that we manage our own resources Westminster have wasted too much of our revenue for too long. Westminster are so incompetent they have even now lost the triple A,

              • Colonel Mustard

                From my perspective the moaning and whinging has been mutual. I remember when Andy Murray said “Any team but England” and imagined what the response might have been if a prominent English sportsman had said “Any team but Scotland”.

                So, no lectures from the likes of you about abuse and hatred from English Tories. And why “Tories”? Bit of a give away of your true leanings there, eh?

                • terregles2

                  The Andy Murray comment that actually the journalist who quoted Andy later apologised to him for. The journalist admitted that he had misquoted him but the media did not report that. Anyone who knows Andy knows that he has lots of English mates.

                  But really the reaction to that was a bit extreme the English media really hounded Andy over that. For goodness sake I work beside some English guys and we are all great friends but the insults fly over any sporting events.

                  Obviously we get the brunt of it because the Scottish team loses so often but it is only a bit of banter. Not like the nasty spite we read on forums like this.

                  If somebody like David Beckham said he was supporting anyone but Scotland I would only laugh as would many Scots. That is entirely different from the horrible things that Ron Northcott said about the Scottish people.

                  It is hard for us to understand how merely wanting to govern ourselves just like every other country should incite such hatred and abuse.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Whether the remark was taken out of context or not it generated the ABE T-shirts and played to a certain trait in Scotland. When Newsnight famously sent their England car up to Edinburgh and Glasgow we saw the English flag burnt in a pub and the car trashed.

                  A while back I mentioned close Scots friends and was informed that this “proved” my racism beyond doubt.

                  If you search on topic you will find plenty of Scots who acknowledge and despair of this trait themselves. It is reciprocal. You simply cannot run a campaign the way the SNP do without expecting a backlash. Sad, but there it is.

                • terregles2

                  What you seem to be saying is that beause some English people are retarded and are racist and because some Scottish people are retarded and racist then Scotland cannot have independence.
                  Fortunately the racists on both sides of the border are in a minority and the majority of Scots and English are not like that.
                  The fact is that since the Blair administration Scottish people have been in a no win situation.
                  If we stay in the union and we send Labour MP’s to Westminster then we are abused and hated for doing so. I dislike the Labour party but if they win a majority of the vote they are entitled to go to Westminster and represent us. We send all our tax to Westminster but are abused for sending people that English tories do not like.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  It is not for me to say that Scotland cannot or can have independence!

                • HarryTheHornyHippo

                  ‘We send all our tax to Westminster’…

                  For which you get back more than you give so quit the whingeing and be grateful for the handouts.

                • Jambo25

                  And the constant booing of the Scottish Sevens team at dear old Twickers last weekend.

                • Jambo25

                  Oh dear, bottom, scraping and barrel time. I’m glad you brought that episode up so lets go through the whole sad saga of the Newsnight stunt. Peter Barron dreamt up a programme idea for Newsnight where they drove a car painted in English footballl colours and flying a Cross of St George flag up to Scotland. I think the car was first left in the Edinburgh area. Nothing happened. Then it was gradually moved westwards. I think Linlithgow and Stirling were then visited. Nothing much apart from a threat of a parking ticket. Eventually, in something like panic, the team parked the car in Glasgow’s East End and the car was pretty quickly trashed. Bingo! success. Scots were slavering, anti-English racists.

                  However, Glasgow’s East End is Celtic FC territory and is also a hotbed of Irish nationalist feeling. Celtic fans carry Irish tricolours, not Saltires. Moreover, the car’s colours were also those of Rangers FC. These were a couple of things which were missed out of the Newsnight story.

                  In the end the BBC ended up with yet more egg on it’s corporate face and Strathclyde Police investigated the programme for a possible offence.

                • Jambo25

                  Do you remember that Murray’s remark was actually made in reply to rather anti-Scottish remarks made at the same meeting with the press by ‘Tiger Tim’ Henman. Henman’s anti-Scottish remarks would, of course, be ‘Banter’ as opposed to Murray’s “moaning and whinging”.

                • Wessex Man

                  chip on shoulder wider and wider!

                • terregles2

                  It’s because you think racist remarks against the Scots are normal and nobody should dare criticise them

                • Wessex Man

                  I think nothing of the sort, I’m not a specialist at spewing out racist rants, I leave that to you and other Scottish independence campaigners here. I have never said that we the English want to keep the Union, I have pointed out to you time after time that I along with a steady average in all polls that we English want you to have your independence varying from 60% to 66%! Alex Salmond, if he really wanted his independence would have demanded that we English were included in the referendum.

                  Perhaps you are frightened to go your own way?

                • terregles2

                  You say that England should decide Scotland’s future. By that logic then France should decide whether England should stay in the EU.

              • HarryTheHornyHippo

                You don’t have any revenue.

            • Jambo25

              I certainly want to break the Union up. It has outlived it’s usefulness.

              • Wessex Man

                Yes I totally agree with you Jambo25, I’m looking forward to the complete break up of the Union, well both of them actually the one that was imposed on the Scottish and English people in 1707 and the one that Harold Wilson, Ted Heath and rest of the political establishment lied to the people about in 1975!

          • HarryTheHornyHippo

            ‘We want to govern our own country like almost every country in the world’

            No. Not true. Some of you want to govern your own country, most of you don’t. If it was all of you you wouldn’t need a referendum.

            Get facts straight.

            • terregles2

              What are you saying that England will not need a referendum to decide whether or not to stay in the EU.
              Don’t see you being able to sell that idea

              • Wessex Man

                We’ve not been given a chance to say what we want since 1975 and were lied to then, this referendeum that you are having next year will be your third or fourth since then.

                I wish you well and hope that you win!

                • terregles2

                  Could you give us the dates and questions that were asked in the three or four that we are supposed to have had
                  You really must stop making these wild untrue statements.

              • HarryTheHornyHippo

                It is the United Kingdom that is a member, not England and it will need a referendum as by no means do all people want to leave the EU just as most Scots do not wish to leave the United Kingdom. However, a sufficient number do that it justifies the debate and a consequent referendum on the matter.

        • Jambo25

          Not to me Kee mo sabi. I’ll still be at home.

      • margaret benjamin

        Think you know exactly what I mean!

        • terregles2

          How could I know what you mean. You asked how Salmond would feel if he came to Britain. He is inScotland and Scotland is in Britain so what did you mean?

    • Jambo25

      Last time I looked Scotland was part of Britain and Salmond is regularly barracked at public meetings up here. Labour Party claques regularly follow him about. His treatment on ‘national’ BBC from people like Paxman and Wark has been little short of scandalous.

      • Wessex Man

        rubbish!

  • Pkpinnen

    “anti”-fascists? Yeah we have those here in Sweden too. If i’m not mistaken, i think your former prime minister sir Winston Churchill predicted exactly this.
    “The fascists of the future will be called antifascists”

    • Junis

      Winston Churchill was a very racist ZIonist. A good person would do well by not attaching too much value to what this racist had to say. Some historians have theorized that Britain do not go to war against Germany to liberate Europe, but more for self-preservation. Don’t forget that many Americans were reluctant in fighting against Nazi-Germany and even supported them.

      • Wessex Man

        I’m not sure quite what hole you crawled out of but wish you would crawl back into it as fast as your slime will carry you. If it hadn’t had been for Churchill and we British you wouldn’t be able to peddle you rubbish on here.

        • Baron

          Wessex Man, so spot on, where do they breed them, Baron would love to know.

      • Fergus Pickering

        Good God are you still there?

  • JP

    There are real fascists in the UK today so “Among the closest thing we have to fascists in modern Britain..” is something of an understatement. However, its ironic that the protestors are engaged in the kind of street politics that NF/BNP used to go in for but moved away from to seek votes. Lots of neo-fascist parties across western Europe have done this (and i’m not including UKIP in that, but they have certainly benefited from the flow away from street activism). Certainly those who were berating Farage with “go back to England” are quite muddled in their thinking.

  • terregles2

    The demonstration against Mr Farage was against UKIP policy and was in no way anti English. The fact that one of the people arrested in Edinburgh was English will no doubt do nothing to stop the anti Scottish people abuse.

    • JP

      So shouts of “go back to England” happened because..?

      • terregles2

        I understand that some of the English demonstrators were annoyed that Farage was making their country look bad north of the border. That’s why they souted at him to go back to England he embarrasses them with his homophobia and racism . One of the English demonstrators was so annoyed at Farage that he got himself arrested by the police.

        • Baron

          terregles2, sir, the logic of your argument wouldn’t tempt Baron out of a burning vehicle. You find thinking hard, do you?

          • terregles2

            I am relieved to hear that. I would be worried if any of my views were similar to yours.
            Always thought it strange when people assume to know the gender of anyone posting a comment.
            Seems strange to call anyone sir.

        • FrankS

          “homophobia and racism”
          Evidence?

          • Noa

            He can’t provide what doesn’t exist.

            • terregles2

              No he can’t provide you with anything because there is no he only a she.

          • terregles2

            Read the UKIP manifesto. He also plans to disband the Scottish parliament at Holyrood. Bit of a contradiction for aman whoi believes in democracy.

            • Colonel Mustard

              There is a contradiction at work. We live in a Union but Scotland gets its own parliament and still has representation in Westminster. The SNP consider Westminster almost a foreign government but it has a complement of Scots MPs and the last Prime Minister represented a Scottish constituency.

              All down to the Labour party who have managed to bring about more inequality and division than this country has seen in nearly four hundred years whilst braying about the opposite.

              • terregles2

                We still send MP’s to Westminster because although we have a parliament in Edinburgh it does not have power in any important decisions like defence or tax raising,
                Makes more sense for us to have all power at Holyrood and have no Scottish MP’s at Westminster. Fairer for both our countries.

            • Colonel Mustard

              Just read them (not it). Could not find any endorsement of homophobia or racism.

            • FrankS

              Well how about you quote the relevant passage. Could it be that you use the words as all purpose terms of abuse without any specific meaning (it’s quite common practice)?

          • terregles2

            Racism.

            The UKIP candidate for Plymouth Ron Northwood. He was only forced to resign when Scottish people complained.. Prior to that Farage was happy to endorse the bile and hated Northwood had spewed about the Scots

            • Colonel Mustard

              So you cannot actually support your accusation about the manifesto with evidence and have to cite an individual instead.

              You also embrace the left’s new definition of race since I was never aware until after 1997 that the Scots and English were different races. What a piece of work New Labour wrought when they created racism where it had never been in order to divide and rule.

              My disgust for them knows no bounds.

              • terregles2

                I am sure that many of us might disagree in the best way forward to govern all four nations in the UK but digust for New Labour would be one thing that many of us would share.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Sadly the four nations in the UK are only three unless you count the UK as one of them. England is not a nation. We have no parliament. We are told by serious public figures that we are a mongrel nation that “is not worth saving”. Our national flag is banned by some councils, associated with “far right extremism” and scorned by a breed of self-hating metro liberals – the same ones who thought we needed our noses rubbed in diversity. Our only real identity is in sport.

                  It is hardly surprising that the English project their pride onto Britain and conflate the two, usually meaning no offence.

                  If you are a proud Scot I don’t think you could imagine quite what that feels like.

                • terregles2

                  I think it is disgraceful that the English flag has been banned anywhere in England. If that is true why is nobody doing anything about that. Are you sure it is not just the tabloid press mischief making.

                  If anyone banned my flag I would make sure I had it flying from my rooftop every day. it is against human rights to ban a national flag so the case can be referred to EU. Everyone in England should unite and fight against that injustice.Get the flag of St George flying everywhere. What are they going to do put you all in prison.

                  You surely do have a parliament the majority are English MP’s and you still make all the important decisions like defence taxation etc.

                  We are all mongrel nations but that does not mean we should not all be proud of our country and demand that our politicians protect and cherish our culture and history. England should be celebrating the great literature and music etc. that it gave to the world Why is there not a big celebration of Shakespeare day.

                  I think if Scotland goes independent it will help England to be more patriotic and stand up for being proud to be English which you all should be. You should be celebrating your great heritage. Scotland and England will always be historically and geographically close and after independence we would still be good neighbours.

                  Look on the bright side though, you find your identity in sport just be grateful that you don’t have to rely on the Scottish foorball team to bring you success.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  Personally I would never describe a nation as “mongrel”. It is just too offensive to people who have a right to their national identity, however it has been arrived at. We either respect the concept of national identity for everyone or get rid of it completely. In New Labour’s concept of “equality” Scots, Welsh and Irish nationalism is respected, if not encouraged, whilst the English variety is disapproved of in various ways, official and unofficial. Modern socialists project their hatred of England on its past, dredging up a lot of mythology and misrepresentation in the process. That is neither fair nor equal.

                  It is undoubtedly true that our flag has been hi-jacked but by citing its offensiveness to our multi-cultural society people like Eleanor Jackson just exacerbate the bitterness and resentment. Instead of suggesting the Cross of St George should not be flown for 20 years she ought to have re-claimed it and contributed towards making it represent something more inclusive. The reality is that it is just an excuse that conceals a hatred every bit as pernicious as that which it seeks to condemn.

                  I tend to agree about the apathy but English national identity is just not as powerfully felt as Scots national identity and it has been the victim of decades of deliberate erosion by successive governments and their fellow travellers. England, more than any other nation in Britain, has been the object of a cultural revolution every bit as seismic as China’s, but infinitely more subtly executed. The more malevolent and sinister aspects of this are glossed over in treacly speech and fine words that dare anyone to dissent. And if they do they are immediately demonised.

                • terregles2

                  I don’t agree with mongrel either but I was repeating what was written.

                  Check out the link on newsnetscotland
                  our friends the good english by ga ponsonby
                  Then get the flags out.

                • telemachus

                  THIS STONE HAS BEEN SET IN THIS PLACE TO COMMEMORATE THE FUSION OF THE ENGLISH AND NORMAN PEOPLES WHICH RESULTED FROM THE GREAT BATTLE FOUGHT HERE IN 1066
                  *
                  Plaque at Battle Abbey

                • Wessex Man

                  trust you to bring in the Norman Conquest, this really proves what a learned man you are. William the Conqueror toward the end of his life apologised for wiping away the Proud Anglo Saxon way of life. Let me guess you came over with him!

                • terregles2

                  If there is anywhere in England where the English flag is banned then that is truly disgraceful. I don’t understand why that decision would not be challenged because it would be against English human rights. If I were English I would fly my flag with pride.
                  We are all mongrel nations but that is no reason for England not to be proud of their heritage and history.
                  You surely do have a parliament because the majority in Westminster are English MP’s and you still have control over the important issues of taxation defence etc.
                  I don’t understand why England does not celebrate their rich history of literature music etc and all the other contributions they have made to the world.
                  Many in Scotland who are campaiging for a YES to Scottish independence have become sick of being labelled anti- English. They have started a list of great English people that they personally admire. It is worth looking at.
                  Do a search on google
                  our friends the good English by GA Ponsonby
                  Hopefully after Scottish independence the English will also unite with each other and celebrate their rich history. You could start by celebrating Shakespeare as we in Scotland celebrate our Robert Burns.

      • Jambo25

        In some cases on Thursday they were being shouted by English students at the demo. Next.

        • Wessex Man

          you’ve got televised proof have you?

          • terregles2

            Yes we have got televised proof as we have twitter proof of the nasty little Northcott man.

            • Wessex Man

              When is Alex Salmond going to apologise for Tom Ball, Gail Lythgoe and Mark MacLachen and the anti-jewish rabble of Students at St Andrews who forced out Jewish Students from their chosen venue last month by pro-Palestinian campaigners?

              Come on, answers instead of your constant ducking and diving and making a bloke in Plymouth who was only known in his backgarden before you started to try and make him interesting!

              • terregles2

                You excuse anti Scottish racism by giving examples of Scottish racism.
                I will say it once more I condemn all racism everwhere in this world unlike the party that you support.
                Please don’t bother to rake up any more “facts” to excuse all the anti Scottish poison on this forum.
                I like all nations and I hate racism there is nothing else to say.

  • terregles2

    Such a fuss about nothing. Politicians have been shouted at for decades. Heath had ink thrown at him Prescott an egg Tony Blair had several eggs thrown at him and a shoe at a book signing in Dublin. Lord Mandelson had green custard chucked at him in London

    Thatcher and her cabinet were bombed in Brighton and she put on her lipstick and said ” business as usual ” and got on with it.

    Farage was shouted at and its a national crisis. Are there no real men left in this country?

  • bengeo

    By blueprint

    “‘Twas on the 15th of May 2013
    That fat Nigel of UKIP in fair Alba was seen

    He came north to preach of the evils of Brussels
    And flex metaphorically his little Englander muscles

    But as word got around a cruel mob they did gather
    To tell poor auld Nigel he was a man without father

    He fled for the safety of the old Canons’ Gait
    Where the guests long decades for a good pint could wait

    The good burghers of Edin stood outside in the street
    Him with rocks and half-bricks and old bike chains would greet

    But a big Black Maria did whisk him away
    And he’s not been seen back in oor land tae this day

    Oh great big fat trougher fae south o’ the Tweed!
    Ye’ll long rue the day that yir puce-coloured heid

    Sullied oor fair capital and darkened oor door
    So flee doon o’er the border, and fare back here no more!

    After – William Nigel McGonagall”

    • Noa

      The outpouring of a Friday night Haymarket hero, derivative and wrong headed.
      A typical little Scotlander in fact.

    • Baron

      Ten for effort, bengeo, if only Baron could speak haggis he may have enjoyed it.

    • anotherjoeblogs

      there was a man called farage
      who went to the land of porage
      the culinary delights
      brought on the shites
      but the fried marrs bar gave him the stoppage.

      got to be recited in lardy da

      • Baron

        Now, that Baron does understand; ten for effort, ten plus for substance, anotherjoeblogs.

        • anotherjoeblogs

          well danke and god bless nigel ( a real man )

      • Fergus Pickering

        No it doesn’t rhyme or scan in any accent. Bad limericks are the pits.

  • http://biasedbbc.proboards.com/index.cgi Teddy Bear

    I notice the BBC article on the confrontation between Farage and these ‘protesters’ (as the BBC refers to them) makes no mention of their being of the left, Funny how ‘protesters’ from the right are immediately identified as such.

    The BBC Scotland radio interviewer was clearly of the same mindset as these protesters, and as equally repulsive. Is it any wonder then that these protesters have the mindset ‘that their rigid belief system is the only correct one and that all opponents are ‘scum’ who must be ‘smashed’

    This is exactly the purpose of BBC bias and their agenda.

    • terregles2

      The BBC does indeed distort and manipulate the news. They were so eager to portray the demonstrators as anti English and not anti UKIP policy they did not report that one of the demonstrators was English.

      • http://biasedbbc.proboards.com/index.cgi Teddy Bear

        In the article the BBC runs on the subject, they do NOT portray the protesters as anti-English, they only quote Farage saying that.

        “These people were supporters of Scottish nationalism, virulently opposed to the English, all sorts of suggestions as to what we could do with the Union Jack

        Perhaps it’s the reference to Union Jack that confirms his view.

        • terregles2

          It just shows that Farage knows very little about Scottish politics. SNP voters are against Westminster government not against English people. The SNP have English members.
          One of the demonstrators was English. It has nothing to do with being English or Scottish it is about political aspirations. Check out on youtube the Top 10 Unionist Myths debunked.

          • Colonel Mustard

            I think the clue is in the name SNP. I’m struggling to differentiate that base notion from the BNP.

            I’m against Westminster government. Not least because it does the dirty work of the EU and seems to contain an over represented proportion of Scots socialists. I do not feel the need to rough up and intimidate Mr Farage though.

            • terregles2

              I think you should read the SNP manifesto and tell us when you can find any similarity with anything the BNP advocate.

              You will never find anything but now that the Britnats have lost all logical debate against Scottish independence they will keep pushing the racist slur simply because they have nothing else to use.

              If you cannot differentiate between SNP and BNP then really should not indulge in any political debate.

              I was not aware of there being any Scottish socialists within the Cameron administration but irrespective of who is in government in Westminster I would still prefer to be governed from Edinburgh.

              It seems strange that Mr Farage chose to visit a pub and engage in any political debate within a pub. It shows a certain lack of judgement. Perhaps he did it for publicity. Blair, Heath, Prescott, Mandelson and many other politicians have had missiles thrown at them and indeed Thatcher was actually the victim of a bomb attack. None of them including Thatcher made much of a fuss about it. They all just got on with it. Politics can be a nasty business. Farage had nothing thrown at him he was shouted at and jostled and he makes more fuss about it than Thatcher did after Brighton.

              • Colonel Mustard

                Base notion, I said ‘base notion’ as in Country + National + Party. When a party promulgates its purpose on Country + National an inference may be legitimately drawn. In that sense UKIP is more embracing and less narrow than SNP, however many renegade English you have in your radical gang.

              • http://twitter.com/minxadinxeroo jill jacobs

                He always chooses a pub. Why does choosing a pub show lack of judgement? Do the Scots get drunk more than the English ??

                • terregles2

                  The point I was making was that I suspect that if any politician of any political party wandered into any pub anywhere in Britain they might run the risk of being shouted at. Especially now that we have all heard about the large pay rise that the politicians have awarded themselves.
                  I don’t think the general public have ever had a lower opinion of all politicians than they do now.
                  I may well be wrong but I don’t think there will be many politicians prepared to test that theory.

                • http://profiles.google.com/oliverthered Oliver Stieber

                  dare I speculate, Muslims don’t allow alcohol.

          • John Reid

            Farage didn’t say these people were SNP, he just said the SNP should condemn them, it’s not like Sinn Fein refusing to condemn the IRA

            • terregles2

              If Farage refuses to condemn Ron Northcott then he is hardly in a position to ask anyone else to condemn anything.

              Northcott had gone through a selection process for UKIP and they had deemed a bigot and a racist to be a good candidate for the UKIP party. I understand that his remarks about Catholics are also under scrutiny…..Oh dear…. That is before one of the financial supporters for UKIP Demetri Marchesenni
              has his comments about Women in Trousers scrutinised…….Oh dear….. Mr Farage seems to admire strange people and keep strange company …. He also denigrated the leader of the demonstrators for being a Scottish racist and it turns out that he is a proud.Englishman called Mike Shaw who just happens ro hate UKIP policy….oh dear…..whatever next..?…..

              • Wessex Man

                Whatever next indeed, I suggest if you really want your delicate feelings shot away you go on the comments sections of Scotland on Sunday or the Scottish Sunday Herald to read your fellow Scots slightly to the right of Attilla the Hun comments about we English.

                You kept banging on about Ron Northcott so I read up his comments and if you poor wee Scots are so offended by these flippant remarks you can give but you can’t take, grow up!

                • terregles2

                  You are happy for a candidate of UKIP who has passed a selection process to spit racist bile and expect to be taken seriously as a political party.
                  Of course you will find stupid Scottish people denigrating the English but the difference is that such clowns would not be allowed to stand as candidates for any Scottish political party.
                  UKIP condone their official leaders preaching racism It really tells us all that we need to know.
                  We also know all about you that you do not condemn Northcott’s abuse. Pleasant Wessex man who
                  enjoys a civilised debate quickly turns nasty when the ugly face of UKIP is exposed.
                  What you are really saying is that racism is wrong except when it is directed against the Scots.
                  Just as well that so many brave Scottish servicemen and women who died throughout all the British wars did not live long enough to see their fellow countrymen abused by the shabby little politicians of UKIP

              • Wessex Man

                When is Alex Salond going condem Thomas Ball who had to resign from the SNP last year for his comments about the deaths of six British troops in Afghanistan “Deserve no sympathy because servicemen are a bunch of child killers.”

                Or indeed Gail Lythgoe or Mark MacLachen.

                I look forward to your considered reply!

                • Fitzwilliam

                  I think that’s him fettled.
                  Still, he might come back with some tangential point. Seems to be his tictacs so far…

                • terregles2

                  These people behaved badly and were dealt with. If you read the papers in Scotland you would know they were condemned by Salmond and many others. None of them however spouted hatred towars the English as Northcott did against the Scots.
                  I am not quite sure what point you are making anyway. I do not vote SNP nor am I an SNP member so I am not too concerned about what they do. Don’t even think they will be in power after a YES vote.
                  What are you saying anyway that if other politicians behave badly then that makes Northcott’s foul abuse of the Scottish people alright?

                • Wessex Man

                  I have the Scotland on Sunday delivered to me every Sunday, can you supply me the dates because I never saw any such thing, first of all Salmond said he wasn’t a member then he resigned from the party the day after!

                  Stones Glass houses etc etc!

                  You’ll be telling me next that the respected auther and political commentator Gerald Warner -1. is not Scottish or 2 a liar or 3 mistaken.

                  I really enjoyed his column “Yes, Scottish Nationalism DOES have an ugly side.” a very enlightening read!

                • terregles2

                  You glean your political knowledge from Scotland on Sunday well that does explain a lot. I suppose though it does help to
                  reinforce the biased views that you get from other sources.

                  Why do you persist in badgering me with “facts” about the SNP. I am not a member or voter of SNP. It would be a bit like me badgering you with questions on the actions of the Conservative party. I really am not terribly interested in the SNP.

                  If you want to keep up to speed with Scottish events look online at Newsnetscotland. You might learn something but I know you are unlikely to do that as your main agenda is to trawl around the media for anti Scottish “facts”.

                  Northcott called the Scottish nation workshy drug addicts and you call these remarks flippant. If you judge that to be flippancy I would hate to see what it would take for you to recognise racist abuse.

  • Lungfish

    They’re mostly infantile morons under the age of 25- soon they’ll have a mortgage and have to pay some tax. Most of those goons in Edinburgh will look back with acute embarrassment in a few years. Having said that quite a few Scots do seem to carry around some sort of irrational grudge against us English. They don’t seem to realise that most of us couldn’t give a monkey’s toss if they went independent.

    • Icebow

      Well, there would be the question of a new home for the V-Subs. I find
      the idea of such Balkanization quite horrible.

    • Baron

      Lungfish, sir, well said except for the ‘looking back with acute embarrassment….’. Many of them will indeed have mortgages, taxes to pay but in sinecures in the myriad of ‘people’s universities’, the BBC, other quangoes funded by the impotent unwashed. They will no longer ‘scream, shout and march’ but their take on life will remain unchanged, their power to spread poison enhanced, sadly.

      • Lungfish

        Baron Sir, when I said to Robert Taggart two years or so ago- I am sir or Mr Lungfish to you, I forgot to mention I went to school with Robert Taggart back in the seventies!

        • Baron

          Now you’re telling Baron.

          Also, nice to see you’re still around. How long is it since we’ve begun putting the world to right on the original Spectator site? And look at it. Arghhh

          • http://www.facebook.com/rmt181320 Robert Taggart

            Happy to concur with latter thoughts – good to see Lupo ‘come up for some air’ !

    • terregles2

      The Farage demonstration was anti UKIP policy not anti English. One of those arrested was English. Perhaps Nigel was not listening to what was being shouted. Most of it was against UKIP immigration policy and against UKIP gay marriage policy.
      Lots of English now live in Scoltand and they are very welcome. Perhaps Nigel thought he saw racism because that is something he himself demonstrates.

      • Noa

        “Lots of English now live in Scoltand and they are very welcome.”

        Most generous of you. I look forward to my welcome pack from you on my next visit.

        As are the Scots who live in Engand, of which there are far more. Incidentally they are not discriminated against. Unlike the anglophobic attacks endured by the English in Scotland.

        “..Perhaps
        Nigel thought he saw racism because that is something he himself
        demonstrates.”

        And perhaps being called ‘racist fascist scum’ alerted him to its existence in Scotland.

        • terregles2

          I am glad that you now live in a country that is not racist and is superior to Scotland in every way. I love England and enjoyed my time living there. Most English people are great but I did encounter some anti Scottish abuse from some particularly nasty English yobs. We need look no further than this forum to see anti Scottish

          • http://profiles.google.com/oliverthered Oliver Stieber

            lmfao

        • telemachus

          If goons like Farage go up and peddle their lunacy in the Royal Mile it is small wonder that the English are not welcome up there
          Those of us keen on the Union need to encourage Farage Cameron Clegg and Miliband to keep out of the debate

          • http://www.facebook.com/thorhalland Thor Halland

            So let me get this right. If a single English person voices political opinions you disapprove of in Scotland it is acceptable to attack all English people?

      • John Reid

        Shouting English scum wasn’t the reason that Farage believed that he was subject to racist abuse it’s because he is one? Do you feel that everyone who accuses someone of being a racist do this because they racist themselves, as for your view that Ukip,( who are pro civil partnerships) but against gay marriage,means that they’re fascists, I know lots of people who are against gay marriage, because they feel marriage is an oppressive thing anyway, from Julie Bindel to rupert Everett,

        • terregles2

          I have never called any British politician a facist. To call any British politician a facist is to devalue that word.
          There are no facists in any public office anywhere in Britain. Please do not put words in my mouth.
          I said Northcott was a disgrace to UKIP because of his disgusting abuse of Scottish people. I criticised Farage for not condemning the Northcott remarks which is disgraceful. I have never called anyone in Britain a facist.
          Regarding gay marriage if you refuse to let one section of society not have the same rights as everyone else then that does make you a facist it makes you a bully and a rather shabby human being.

      • Fergus Pickering

        Bollocks or rather MacBollocks

        • Wessex Man

          Cry ‘Havoc’ and let slip the poddles of Europe, Clarke, Heseltine, Howe, Clegg, Mandelson, Cameron and telemachus That this foul deed shall smell above the earrth With carrion men groaning for burial!

      • http://twitter.com/minxadinxeroo jill jacobs

        Lots more Scots in England though; most noticeably in the Cabinet, at one point.

    • AndrewMelville

      Wanker. All the understanding & sympathy of an Inglish nyaff. If Great Britain does break apart, much of the fault will be yours.

      I think Scotland would be diminished outside of he union, but the real loser would be Inglund.

      • Owen_Morgan

        Andrew Melville, if you really support the Union, please campaign for a pro-independence vote. You’re about as persuasive as an Aztec heart-surgeon.

        • AndrewMelville

          I wasn’t aware that I was trying persuade anyone of anything – merely decrying the vileness of hat Inglish bigot, Lungfish.

          Much as I like the dear old Speccie – far too many of its readers are Inglish cuifs.

          • Lungfish

            So you are calling me a vile bigot?- on what grounds?

            • AndrewMelville

              The nasty words of your post.

      • Lungfish

        lurn to spell – fool

        • AndrewMelville

          To misquote another Inglsh bigot – it would take surgical operation to get a joke into your thick Inglish skull.

          • Wessex Man

            and you are such a nice person, not at all racist, ah the irony.

            • AndrewMelville

              I am actually. And I am a great admirer of the English. They are a great people

          • Lungfish

            fuck off

            • AndrewMelville

              No thanks. Please take your meds every day.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rmt181320 Robert Taggart

      This Atheist, Ross Ancient Tartan Bowtie wearing Sassenach wishes those Jocks Godspeed – to ‘independence’ !

    • anon

      You probably should give a toss.
      If Scotland becomes independent, England will probably never ever be ruled by a left-wing government again.

  • http://www.friatider.se/ Carl Lundström

    Just the old communists in new tattered clothes. The remarkable thing is the contempt for democracy shown by the two largest political parties – while lecturing foreign peoples about freedom of speech they quietly use these thugs to disturb their smaller political competitors.
    Imagine what orders the police would get if some form of thugs would behave this way towards politically prioritized groups like jews, immigrants, homosexuals or, by god, the big parties themselves. The thugs would be in Guantanamo or at least Wormwood Scrubbs before the evening.

    • Junis

      Carl, why are you defending anglosaxon rightwingers when Scandinavian success is partly due to socialistic thinking?

      • http://www.friatider.se/ Carl Lundström

        What I am defending is real democracy and freedom of speech, regardless of who is speaking. (Maybe somewhat strange to a person with socialistic thinking). Secondly, what success has been achieved in my native Sweden has not partly been a result of socialistic thinking, even if red media all over the world like to portray things that way. You are right that our excellent prime minister Per-Albin Hansson (who more than anyone else deserves credit for success) represented the social democratic party. But you are wrong regarding socialistic thinking – he did not go near any of that. I don´t want to Think about what you guys would have called him if you met him in politics today.

      • Colonel Mustard

        Is he defending “anglosaxon rightwingers” or condemning a fascist mob for threatening free speech? Actually it went further than that. Farage’s freedom even to walk unhindered and unthreatened in a major city of the UK was deprived. The hypocrisy and double standards being displayed by some on the left is beyond belief.

    • allymax bruce

      Carl, the Jews, immigrants, and homosexuals ‘are’ the politically prioritiesd.

      • http://www.friatider.se/ Carl Lundström

        None of the minority prioritation is actually about the minorities. It´s about you guys. You, the conservative european indigenous population, you are the target. You are the ones who are to be psychologically undermined.

        • allymax bruce

          Yes, 100% correct. The good thing is, my country Scotland is getting out of the horrid union doing the psychological brainwashing.

          • Wessex Man

            ah dear knew that your moderate termperment couldn’t last for long, so now the flash mob that made Nigel Farage experience what is actually happening on the streets is caused by the great satan “the horrid union.”

      • margaret benjamin

        Jews have contributed enormously to the UK with skills and know how for a long time.Not to mention when did you last see them on unemployment registers!

        • http://www.friatider.se/ Carl Lundström

          Jews aren´t prioritized for having or lacking skills, know-how or not being unemployed. Same with politicians, same with homosexuals. All are prioritized as long as they separate themself from the only group that is not prioritized – read my post below.

          What separates Jews from other groups is that they as a group, through their media influence, have the power to change the situation if they wanted to. They are not only prioritzed, to a large extent it´s them who are prioritizing.

          • Junis

            Agreed.

          • Adam

            Jews aren’t “prioritized” at all. What on earth are you on about?

          • Fergus Pickering

            Ah I knew it was the Jews. It’s always the Jews isn’t it?

            • http://www.friatider.se/ Carl Lundström

              Usually it´s the assholes

              • Adam

                ..like you.

                • http://www.friatider.se/ Carl Lundström

                  Oh really. I certainly do not support political violence directly or indirectly. So why do I deserve this title?

                • Adam

                  Oh, and the Jews do support political violence?
                  You still haven’t told me how the Jews, all of them apparently, are “prioritized”.

                • http://www.friatider.se/ Carl Lundström

                  Some yes, som no, read my post. The political-violence problem is caused solely by the assholes, people like yourself.
                  The reason why I “still” haven´t told you why Jews are prioritezed in the media along with a number of other Groups is that you havn´t asked. But I´m not going to tell you either. You are a helpless fanatic that won´t t get it anyway. Go fuck a duck.

                • Adam

                  Ooh, think I touched a rather exposed nerve there…

                  I did ask, and you didn’t have anything to say. It’s funny how racists never like to be called what they are. And, for the record, it was you who irrelevantly introduced Jewish people into this discussion with moronic generalisations which you have refused to substantiate.

                  Tell me, are you the same individual who has funded several extremist far right organizations?
                  I can just imagine the vein throbbing on the side of your head…

                • Adam

                  In addition, why did you bring Jewish people into this discussion? They are utterly irrelevant to this thread, and one must surmise you have a hostile obsession with them.

                • http://www.friatider.se/ Carl Lundström

                  In addition to what? Also, it´s you who are discussing them.

          • Fritz

            If they have so much power why why they don´t stop the stupid Palistinian lies and propaganda`?The Palis. started know after they sayed Jerusalem have nothing to do woth Jews and Christians the Jesus was the first Palestinian.Funny Palestinians where not Arabs or Jews and nobody of them live anymore-and Rome named the Jewish Land 150 years after Jesus was born Palestine…

        • Junis

          To Margaret: If you like Jews so much, then why don’t you offer a piece of Britain as a homeland for them? Did Muslim immigrants cause the credit crunch?

          • jjjj

            Well, instead of the Jews having their homeland in Britain, now Britain will become Muslim. Ya like that?

          • margaret benjamin

            We have Jewish communities in Briton .
            Who are a blessing to the UK.
            The common denominator as they say is Judeo/Christian roots. Now muslims don’t like Jews or Christians, its a fact. There are no prejudices , its not about race, or colour, but values. We have core values morals in schools ect.
            All come from the holy bible.

            • Junis

              You are not a blessing to the UK if a disproportionate amount of Jews are behind banking crisis to which the government is beholden to. The British are to blame for allowing the creation of Israel through the infamous Balfour declaration. British innoceonce in this matter is nonsensical.

              • Adam

                What a hate strewn diatribe.
                How about a disproportionate number of Jews being behind medical breakthroughs, or being Nobel Prize winners?
                What statistics are you using about the banking crisis? Do you have a source for your vitriol?

                • Junis

                  Medical breakthroughs? You mean vaccines?

                • Adam

                  No I mean this:

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates
                  Scroll down to physiology or medicine. Oh, and you may wish to have a gander at the other categories as well, you completely hateful individual.

                • Adam

                  What is the source of your racist accusation? I note you haven’t provided one.

              • Adam

                Amazing, isn’t it, that a thread about Farage in Scotland turns into a hate fest against Jews.

                • terregles2

                  It seems that some sad people just need something or somebody to hate.

                • Adam

                  Agreed.

                • Arturaski

                  It is indeed. The hate is never very far away.

              • margaret benjamin

                If the British had done things properly according to the Balfour declaration that was recreated for a Jewish homeland without touching that mandate, then Israel today would not be struggling with the land issue.We know Briton devided up the land and gave at least 76% to the Arabs. The British think its their job to go around telling everybody else what to do!

                Regarding Christ of course you no he is Jewish kept the law of Moses ect First Disciples were all Jewish, the Church was born out of Jerusalem, not Rome as some think. We have atheists from all walks of life.
                To claim that Jews are behind the banking crisis is ludicrous and certainly unfounded . What a Shame Briton wasn’t more supportive of Israel . But we know they aid the Palestinians financially, by the way so do lots of others. Your Contempt for Jews is very evident, almost anti semetic your prejudices are blinding you to the truth.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  I thought it was the Scots who were behind the Banking crisis. Bank of Scotland. Royal Bank of Scotland. Bloody Broon.

              • Baron

                Junis, my blogging friend, you’ve forgotten to blame the Jews for the bloody cold weather (see Baron’s earlier hint to another posting of yours), this evil manipulation of world’s temperatures and wind directions is as important, if not more because old widows and young orphans suffer, as their bankrupting us all few years back, please keep that in mind for this alone should suggest to you yet another final solution, wouldn’yt you think?

            • Jambo25

              Now you are statring to sound fairly loopy Margaret. There are some Muslims who are anti Jewish and/or anti-Christian but my Muslim friends and neighbours are open minded, friendly and appear to bear malice towards none. In fact, with their high work ethic and strong family and community links they remind me most closely of Jews.

              • margaret benjamin

                Are you a Muslim?

                • Jambo25

                  Straight down the line Scots Presbyterian. Communicant member of the Church of Scotland. Ma’s side of the family were Irish Catholics.

                • margaret benjamin

                  OK.SHALOM.

          • Adam

            Did Jews?
            And they have a homeland.

          • Simon Semere

            What I can’t manage to fathom is why you muslims hate jews so much and why you push the Qu’ran in people’s faces as if there is any enlightenment to be found in those pages. Look around you Junis, all muslims do is inspire fear and encourage destruction and the scourge to be found in those sacred pages of yours. Don’t worry about the jews so much and have a think about why people should continue to tolerate the temerity of muslim people attempting to slander anyone else.

          • Baron

            Yup, Junis, you right, Muslim immigrants didn’t engender the credit crunch, but they bear full responsibility for the unusual spell of the foul weather we are currently having.

          • Jambo25

            I think we need a ‘looney’ alert here.

          • Fergus Pickering

            Nope. They’re just horrible in themselves. They don’t have to cause anything.

        • Jambo25

          I’m now getting worried about the resurgence of anti-semitism in certain parts of British society. There seems to be a need for an ‘other’ to hate or be uspicious o. The one comfort that Jews can take is that while they might have been the only ‘other’ in town in previous days, they are now just one of a number of hate groups.

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