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Exclusive: Nigel Farage says yes to Dorries and backs joint Tory and Labour Ukip candidates

15 May 2013

4:15 PM

15 May 2013

4:15 PM

Following Isabel’s revelation that the newly-reinstated Nadine Dorries will be pursuing an electoral pact with Ukip, Nigel Farage reveals he is open not just to Dorries’ advances but also those of other Conservative and Labour MPs. Speaking on this week’s View from 22 podcast, the Ukip leader says:

‘If Nadine Dorries’ association come to me and say they’ve passed a resolution, and they want her to run as a joint candidate in 2015, I will go and ask my local association how they feel but my inclination would be, why not? What on earth is wrong with doing this?

‘I would also say this could apply to other Tories too. It may even apply to one or two of the old Labour types as well’

Farage is under no illusions either about how the notion of joint Ukip-Conservative candidates will be received by the Tory leadership:
‘This article about Nadine, possibly talking about a joint ticket, is something that several more MPs may choose. Then of course, that will present quite a big challenge to Downing Street and David Cameron. Will be he prepared to accept this or not?’

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Farage has previously ruled out any kind of deal on a national level with David Cameron, but his new offer to Tories at a constituency level may prove persuasive to those feeling squeezed by Ukip in the run up to the next election. His offer to Labour MPs too suggests Ukip will be soon be turning their guns on Ed Miliband who has yet to offer a clear position on a  EU referendum. According to Farage, Ukip are poised to erode the ‘old Labour vote’ in the North of England and he will be campaigning there soon.

As Isabel writes in her interview, it remains unclear what, if anything, the Prime Minister can do to stop or discourage associations from making deals with their Ukip counter parts. Soon, Miliband and Cameron may be united in trying to find a way to halt Ukip’s progress on a local level.

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  • Nico

    The Left seeks to intrude into national feeling and reduce the sense of nationhood. Separation from your national identity allows people to be manipulated. Do not underestimate national feeling. Look at the lesson of the UKIP wins; and there will be more to come – that much is certain. Everyone who values their national identity and is not prepared to surrender it to an external agency needs to stay strong and keep to their principles. See http://www.amazon.com/dp/b00c61zeo8

  • Boo80

    This deal should be a non starter for the Tory party, its a train wreak waiting to happen.

    A person cannot serve two masters. They will end up pick one over the other.
    If they want to be half Tory, then the party should select someone happy to be full Tory.

    • global city

      I think that you miss the point of it really. It is not literally a joint candidate, that will have two masters, it is a way of marking a Tory candidate as ‘safe’ on the EU issue. Do you think for a moment that UKIP would sanction a sniveling europhile Tory? They have said they will do the same with Labour and any Lib Dem who is a wholehearted eurosceptic. The idea is to get as many MPs into parliament that are against the EU…. which is a fine tactic.

      Imagine the debate if the ‘new establishment’ was entirely, or almost entirely eurosceptic? We could safely have an honest debate and referendum on the EU.

  • fantasy_island

    Dorries has a safe seat and in fact increased her majority at the last election, to me this proposal has no merit.

    Maybe a better idea would be to run a joint ticket for the marginal seats as well as any other seat without a sitting conservative MP.

  • peterbuss

    But somebody explain how this will work? The two Parties have different views on the green agenda, overseas aid, flat taxes, grammar schools, NHS, and so on and so forth. So as a voter exactly what are being asked to vote for on a joint ticket? I only askl the question.

    • Jim_Watford

      The parties differ but there are some Tory MPs who feel the same way as UKIP.

  • thanksdellingpole

    Nadine’s the one being used here. Farage doesn’t give a fig for her, the Tories don’t like the jumped up little squit either, however this is a game called Politics and the pawns are the last to know.

  • Chris lancashire

    Absolute non-starter. One candidate cannot represent two parties.

    • Nicholas chuzzlewit

      If it hurts the Labour party, she can stand with the devil for all I care.

    • http://www.facebook.com/nicholas.hallam.50 Nicholas Hallam

      Would a Lab/UKIP MP be able to serve in a Con/UKIP coalition government?

      • Wessex Man

        Who cares if it gets rid of Cleggover, Call me Dave and Ed Milipede!

      • Russell

        As long as his name was Frank Field or Kate Hoey.

        • http://twitter.com/renieanjeh Renie Anjeh

          There won’t be a Lab-UKIP MP, and unless Tories are prepared to resign from their party and there will not be a CON-UKIP government.

  • anneallan

    In political pre-history, the Tory party was officially the Conservative and Unionist Party. So, at some stage (1900ish?) two parties with similar interests must have joined up.

    • FrankS

      In more recent history, didn’t the SDP team up with the Liberals to create the unprincipled hybrid we have now? I believe a rump of unmerged Liberals struggled on in the wilderness for a while (still are, perhaps).

    • GUBU

      It was the name adopted after the merger of the Conservatives and Liberal Unionists in 1912. The two parties had been co-operating formally and informally since the 1880’s, when the latter group split from the Liberal party over Gladstone’s proposals for Home Rule for Ireland.

  • Freeas Abird

    The huge advantage that UKIP have over all the other parties is that they are not regionalised or compromised by class associations.

    The Party, whilst attracting massive support needs to quickly expand its representation in the UK Parliament, and careful selection of joint candidates could be a means to an end.

    However, I am personally not so sure about Nadine Dorries, but I know others have expressed their support for her. But, anyone causing HackneyAbbott grief gets a cheer from me.

  • http://twitter.com/renieanjeh Renie Anjeh

    All what Labour need to do up North is to get leaflets and billboards with Nigel Farage holding a Margaret Thatcher mug and his claim that Thatcher would have been in UKIP. They could also say that UKIP would make deeper cuts to your public services, increase your taxes and cut them from the rich. It will help to secure that ‘old Labour vote’, if the Labour party is that desperate.

    • Nicholas chuzzlewit

      I don’t know about desperate but I am sur Labour is dishonest enough to deploy such tactics.

      • http://twitter.com/renieanjeh Renie Anjeh

        It wouldn’t be dishonest, I would be true. Nigel Farage is a Thatcherite, UKIP went into 2010 with a flat rate of tax policy and they believe in am more spending cuts at a faster rate.

        • Wessex Man

          Just shows how desperate you are after UKIP ran second to you in your last by-election and you dropped thousands of votes! We’re after all of you and you don’t know how to handle it!

          • Nicholas chuzzlewit

            Love it!

          • http://twitter.com/renieanjeh Renie Anjeh

            Yeah, about that – there were mainly protest votes. UKIP is led by a lovely man, clearly Nigel Farage is just a nice (apart to immigrants) and funny chap. I like him, especially on QT. But UKIP is a joke, with no real policies and just want to blow the whistle by opposing every centrist policy from the Tories and Labour. A party of protest, not one of power.

        • Nicholas chuzzlewit

          They have got my vote then! Anybody who wants to cut public spending faster and reduce taxes is talking sense and is likely to produce a growing economy.

          • http://twitter.com/renieanjeh Renie Anjeh

            By choking off aggregate demand in the economy, leading to less growth, more unemployment as a result and possibly a recession. That makes perfect sense, oh wait…

    • Russell

      Ah….labour, the party that closed more mines than Lady T but hypocritically spout that they wanted to keep men in work at the mines (doing hard dangerous manual work underground and many ending their lives with silicosis,rather than importing cheap more safely obtained coal from open cast in Australia)…that labour party.

      • Noa

        Simply rubbing Labour’s nose in it…

      • http://twitter.com/renieanjeh Renie Anjeh

        It’s not about closing mines or not. Nothing to do about how great you think Mrs T was, or how horrible I think she was. It’s about electoral strategy to fend off UKIP in the North. When Northerners realise that UKIP is a Thatcherite party, with rightwing policies, they will stop voting for them. Simple. Any politically-minded person with half brain will realise it, which begs the question why isn’t the Labour Party doing it?

        • GUBU

          Could it be because the man standing next to you in your photo is politically inept and lacking real substance? Just a thought…

          • http://twitter.com/renieanjeh Renie Anjeh

            Maybe, maybe not. Or perhaps, it is the fact that he doesn’t see UKIP as a threat, if anything he sees them as a blessing.

        • The Sage

          I don’t see why this should be the case. “Northerners”, as you call them, do not necessarily vote as a lumpen block and many will feel that curbing immigration is the absolute number one priority and for this policy alone any so-called Thatcherite stuff is a price well worth paying.
          Hence the second places in South Shields and Rotherham.

    • Jim_Watford

      Is this the same Labour party who by Lord Mandelsons own admission replaced their own supporters with cheap immigrant labour? UKIP are going to have a field day in Labour areas.

      • http://twitter.com/renieanjeh Renie Anjeh

        Not if they realise that UKIP is a party which is more rightwing than Mrs Thatcher, then it when they will start slamming the doors open people with purple rossettes.
        Best way for Labour on immigration is to admit its mistakes, listen to concerns and come up with a realistic Labour response. Backing the Coalition’s immigration cap should be a start, provided that excludes students and highly-skilled workers.

        • Jim_Watford

          A progressive response eh? what’s that then? are you going to undo what you did to the working class? you won’t because you can’t, unless we leave the E.U immigrants will keep coming. You won’t be reforming the E.U either, QMV will see to that. You’ve already ruled out letting the people have their say on E.U membership so anyone who wants this mess sorted out can forget about Labour.

          What Labour did to the working class is unforgivable, it should come as no surprise that large numbers are switching to UKIP, don’t think a few pictures of Thacher will put people off either, she had a lot of support among the working class.

          • The Sage

            I agree 100%. It is ordinary working people who have suffered most from uncontrolled and unwanted immigration. It’s time to get our country back and only UKIP is capable of doing this.

            • http://twitter.com/renieanjeh Renie Anjeh

              UKIP will not win the next general election. Unwanted immigration? I admit that immigration was badly controlled under Labour, no point denying it, but unwanted? Businesses and our economy rely on good immigration from highly-skilled workers, students, wealthy visitors from abroad. We need controlled immigration in this country, not a closed door on business from overseas.

          • http://twitter.com/renieanjeh Renie Anjeh

            That is not true, I for one have not heard Ed Miliband rule it out and actually Labour is committed to ‘reform, not exit’. I am passionately in favour of a referendum so we can kill off Euroscepticism for good.

            As for the working class and UKIP, you are living in an utterly parrallel universe. Your party is an ultra-rightwing Thatcherite party. You are also becoming a protest party in the North – mainly from people who don’t vote and have had unfortunate experiences of migration. Up North, Thatcher had virtually NO support among the working class – if you believe otherwise, I worry for you. If Labour reminds working class voters up North, that UKIP is a Thatcherite party – Farage’s fox will be shot dead. It’s a scary thought for you to contemplate but it is true.

            • Jim_Watford

              He has ruled it out, an idiotic move from an idiot. As I’ve already said you won’t be reforming it either, QMV will put a stop to any serious reforms. Do you seriously think other states are going to give us an advantage? talk of reform is just kicking the can down the road. UKIP are not ultra right wing either, try finding things out for yourself rather than parroting what David Cameron tells you. UKIP are getting a lot of support up north, are those voting for us stupid? do you really think they don’t know what they’re voting for? your contempt for the electorate sums up both Labour and Tory attitudes nicely.

              There are plenty of left wing reasons for leaving the E.U, even the RMT has come out and said we should leave. The problem is Labour doesn’t represent the traditional left, it represents the metropolitan elite left and God forbid they should no longer have access to cheap imported plumbers, nannies and gardeners.

              • http://twitter.com/renieanjeh Renie Anjeh

                Ed Miliband has not ruled it out forever, if he did I would be the first to say that it is a stupid thing to do. He hasn’t, the door is still open.
                EU reform is very possible. Blair achieved it over the CAP, Thatcher achieved it on Britain’s rebate and Cameron, to his credit, achieved a cut in the EU budget. We need multilateral reforms, not renegotiation for Britain. As for UKIP, Nigel Farage is a Thatcherite. The North hate Thatcher. Remind the North that Nigel Farage is a Thatcherite, chaos for UKIP up North – you have to admit it. Reason why people up North – ‘old Labour’ – may vote UKIP is because they are scared as a result of many of Thatcher’s reforms, such as de-industrialisation, which is UKIP up North try and have a Poujadist approach. Also, on leftwing reasons for leaving the EU, I am glad that Labour does not represent that kind of leftwing approach. It lost the party 4 elections, and is so far off where the majority of British people are which is on the centre ground.

        • The Sage

          Let’s hope UKIP is more right-wing than Thatcher. Unfortunately, the blessed Margaret did not go far enough in many areas.

          • http://twitter.com/renieanjeh Renie Anjeh

            Well, thank God UKIP will not be in power. Thank God for that.

  • margaret benjamin

    UKIP is well not Cons/or any other political party. I fully agree we voted for Nigel because he is not like the mainstream parties, full of hot air!
    This Govt has had such a bad press, keep away UKIPers……..When other politicians want to leave and come over to UKIP that’s good, but you cannot have one foot in each Camp.

  • Tim Durden

    We don’t want to do any deals with the other parties Nigel. Part of the reason we vote for you is not only because we agree with your policies but because you aren’t like the other three parties as soon as you start to associate yourselves with them you will lose votes.
    From UKIP members up and down the country.

    • James

      It may destroy Labour chances of an election victory and get rid of Libs coalition which is holding the country back.

    • thanksdellingpole

      Right, but you have to see this for what it is: Farage humiliating Cameron.

      Who doesn’t want that? Also, where are you going to go? BNP, not yet mate, it aint their time, yet.

      • Tim Durden

        But to continue increasing our poll ratings we are going to need former labour voters to come on board which I believe as things stand they will in great numbers. If we start doing deals with the Conservatives then they won’t vote for us. We don’t want to be seen as a splinter group of the tories. The Conservative Party is a toxic brand to be associated with in the north.

        And as for going to the BNP, no they just wont bother voting or will just think sod it I’ll vote for Labour because I always have and I hate the Conservatives.

        • thanksdellingpole

          You are right, I will not disagree with you.

    • http://www.facebook.com/georgie.mez.whelan Georgina Whelan

      The only way Nigel Farage is going to get UKIP into parliament before the general election is to have joint candidates. As long as the UKIP/Con or UKIP/Labour candidate supports UKIP’s policies then I think this is a good move for UKIP. This is ultimately the only way that will guarantee us getting a referendum.

    • Brian Williams

      And then what will they do? Go into the garden and eat worms? You’d rather be in a principled party with no MPs? Get real. What we need is a right wing party, and UKIP melded with the Eurosceptics can be that new party. There’s nothing to stop them kicking out the Europhiles and being the new party of the right combined. The problem with expecting the Tories to cross the floor is that they have no safety net. What if only one or two do it? This way they keep both labels. If enough of them campaign on a joint ticket, they may see the virtue in dropping the conservative label later on.

      • RobertC

        Not so much a right wing party, more a patriotic party!

        Just because we think national borders need to work as they used to, that Britain needs a credible energy policy (without windmills and bio fuels that are destructive) and that the health service should be national, rather than international, doesn’t make us right wing.

        Oh, and we want our country back and not get dictated to by European , err … dictators!

        The other three main parties are out of the running!

  • http://twitter.com/_tommylong Tommy Long

    He’s not making the same offer to Lib Dem MPs? Harsh…

    • James

      Libs are a party of clowns, do you blame him?

      • David Ossitt

        James “Libs are a party of clowns” you missed out the word ‘nasty’.

        They are the true nasty party.

        • The Sage

          And useless and spineless to boot.

      • RobertC

        The Lib Dems are not liberal nor democratic! Nor do they have the interests of Britons on their agenda.

    • Mike Smithson

      The last thing that LD MPs want is for Ukip not to be standing in their constituencies. Farage’s party eats into the CON vote making it much harder for the blues.

      The rise of Ukip is the best thing that’s happened to LD MPs fighting for survival in 2015.

      Last week the Rallings and Thrasher projection of what would happen if the General Election voting pattern was the same as the May 2 locals was for the LDs to lose just five seats.

      • http://twitter.com/renieanjeh Renie Anjeh

        I actually think that UKIP will take Eastleigh from the Lib Dems.

        • http://www.facebook.com/nicholas.hallam.50 Nicholas Hallam

          And Lewes?

        • thanksdellingpole

          They did, if it wasn’t for the pesky postal voting system.

          • http://twitter.com/renieanjeh Renie Anjeh

            Well if UKIP has a strong campaign in that seat it could work. Mind you, they could help the Lib Dems take Camborne and Redruth from the Tories.

            • thanksdellingpole

              This kind of tactical thinking seems to be the trend now and probably of the future as the FPTP system is dismantled, I wonder if this is healthy for democracy?

              • http://twitter.com/renieanjeh Renie Anjeh

                FPTP is the best system there is. MPs should be elected through a clear mandate by their constituents. PR would not work in the House of Commons, and AV would have been a disaster.

                • thanksdellingpole

                  FPTP has gotten us where we are today, PR got us UKIP in the EU, I know which system I’d lend the benefit of doubt to.

                • http://twitter.com/renieanjeh Renie Anjeh

                  PR would mean more hung parliaments and more Coalition Governments, and it will destroy the constituency link. It would be a disaster, FPTP gives a clear mandate for a government. If UKIP wants to get in the Commons they should win the most votes in a seat like everyone else.

                • thanksdellingpole

                  Oh, like in Australia you mean?

        • Nicholas chuzzlewit

          Making a small contribution to making a Libdem/Labtard coalition less likely. Bring it on!

    • anneallan

      But fair.

    • Russell

      Amazingly at least one LibDem MP is going to support the draft referendum shortly (1900hrs), so don’t rule out all LibDem MP’s doing a Nadine .

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