9 April 2013

12:00 PM

9 April 2013

12:00 PM

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You turn if you want to …………………… handbag …………….. polarising …………. didn’t like the IRA …………………….. was sad that her husband died …………….. not keen on miners ……………………. polarising influence ………………. resolute ………………not a huge laugh, all things considered ………… won back those islands ………….. Tory wets stupid ……….. looked a bit like Meryl Streep ………………………….. batsqueak of desire …………… had her hair done by marketing people ………….. milk ……….. Loadsamoney ……… Edward Heath not terribly keen ……………….. something about Grantham ……….. bit hard on foreigners …………………. won cold war …………….. formidable …………… treachery ………… greatest women ever seen/divisive old cow …………… never see like again …….. idiot son ………………….. got old ………

(nb ed – will this do? Cd you get one of the interns to fill in the blanks? Mainly conjunctions, I think the gist is there. – RL)

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  • Lungs

    There is a Thatcherite in the new Stereophonics video- he’s the boy in the cheap suit slobbering over the bird. He runs off to the bar to get a couple of vodkas and she’s pissed off when he gets back- LOL, same old same old!

  • Big Harry

    Had she been a communist refusing to condemn the mass murder of Stalin, the left would have been staining their pants with praise, the Union Man would have been at the front of the mourners with his praise. Such is Britain today. Where the real reason a woman is vilified is becases she WON THREE ELECTIONS, and was in power when the Iron Curtain fell and there are strong arguments to be made she was at the forefront of the defeat of communism at that time., Now that it is being ressurected in Europe and has a cheerleader in charge of the US of A, the left and its “liberal” cohort need to preserve its rebirth and need a bogey woman to, in effect, hang in the gibet to warn off the plebs, and they only have ever had one.

  • pet61cre

    “Thatcher saved the country” said David Cameron,, who effectively had just awarded himself and the rest of the Tory party £3750 for calling back Parliament to say it and politicise this crones death. I think that all the people whose lives were destroyed by this woman should attend this funeral and as the hearse is passing drop their trousers and do a giant synchronised Moon at it making sure it is broadcast worldwide. This would counteract this “Saint Thatcher” re-writing of history and show the world what we really felt about this evil woman.

  • William Reid Boyd

    LOL! 🙂

    (nb moderator – hope this is ok, I cd edit it a bit if need be)

  • Barbara Stevens

    Whatever he legacy I shall remember those who took their own lives when her policies and that of her goverment were inacted, from loss of houses, jobs, and breakdown of marriges. Brothers against brother, fathers against sons, what a legacy to recall?

  • Simon Fay

    I wonder if she’d lived she’d have had to speak to the people running Operation Yewtree concerning what she knew about her friend, Sir Jimmy Tracksuit.

  • zanzamander

    Is this how you became editor of the Today programme?

  • Steven Barr

    There is a strong right wing case to be made against Thatcher. Despite privatisation of industries, she increased the number of public sector workers in other fields. She did nothing to stop immigration despite her “swamped” speech. She signed the Single European Act. She banned the cane and gave more power to social workers. She closed more grammar schools than anybody else. She opened much of our major companies to foreign takeover during “The BIg Bang”. She increased gun control. She doubled VAT. Family breakdown increased massively under her watch as did the crime rate and the number of alcoholics and drug addicts.

  • Swank

    Brill, Rod. When someone not of the Left dies, that person is ‘divisive’. The Left is never divisive, of course: it’s just that their opponents are wrong. Oh, and did I mention that media personnel overwhelmingly self-identify as socialist? That’s when they’re asked to identify their voting and party preferences. The rest of the time they aren’t political or politicizing at all, of course: they’re just always on the correct side of any question.

  • FrankieThompson

    On the basis that she created more comprehensives than any other Secretary of State for Education, she campaigned for a Yes vote in 1975, she signed the Anglo-Irish Agreement in utter defiance of the Unionists, she signed over Hong Kong to the CCP, signed the Single European Act, and took the UK into the ERM, some people may conclude she was a liberal.

  • therealguyfaux

    You laugh, but of course all news outlets have obits ready to roll out at a moment’s notice for any prominent person, especially for a woman well into her dotage. And of course any obit is going to consist of the usual pre-digested bits that tell you no more about the person than you already knew. Ron, you’ve pulled the curtain away, and shown it’s just a pitiful little man working a set of levers. The journalistic fraternity won’t like your having revealed this fact so blatantly.

    • therealguyfaux

      “Rod,” even.

      • Swank

        You can edit your post, you know. Should be ‘Edit’ in tiny letters under your comments.

        • therealguyfaux

          I know. It’s just funnier (I think so, at any rate) when you take the piss outta yourself for being so stupid as to have sent a message with a typo, especially when you have just tried to make a serious point somewhat satirically, which is why I did it as I did. OK?

  • Augustus

    ” Cd you get one of the interns to fill in the blanks?”

    So how do you express foamings at the mouth in words?

  • Noa

    Spitting image…dinner with the cabinet…and the vegetables, madam?…they will have what I am.

    But with her sharp sense of humour she would have appreciated the epitaph:-
    “Here lies Margaret Thatcher, grocers daughter and the only person to have screwed more miners than Jimmy Savile.”

  • arnoldo87

    That’ll do for me, Rod. Her real death was in November 1990, and people either grieved or celebrated then.
    We don’t need to do it all over again.

    • Eddie

      Exactly! She died in 1990. Her public self anyway.
      Like Elvis died when he went into the US army.
      Her private self went on and on, and she probably outlived her life in the end, falling into a sad decline.

      • Swank

        You never saw the ’69 comeback concert, then. I hear it was great, and Elvis looked terrific in black leather (though on the whole I think the black hair dye was something of a mistake). Also, I love the concert in Hawaii: jolly good fun.

        • arnoldo87

          He may have looked terrific, but his voice was well and truly past its best by then (Have you ever really listened to Moody Blue? – excruciating!)

          For those of us who can remember, the early days of Elvis were the golden ones. Rock & Roll Numbers 1 and 2 were the ground breaking products of an exceptional talent.

          • Swank

            I thought he sounded great on the live version of ‘Suspicious Minds’. No problems singing that one. Hilarious when he sings, ‘you know I never, never lied to you…’ and adds ‘no, not much’.

            • Hexhamgeezer

              Yes, and ‘in the Ghetto’ for all it’s mawkish maudlin ‘concern’ wasn’t bad.

              • Eddie

                I hate that flipping song!

        • Eddie

          Oh yes, I have seen those.
          I was quoting John Lennon actually. Elvis died when he went into the army. True – he was past his best after that.

          • Daniel Maris

            Actually,I am as much a fan of the Fat Elvis as the Thin One.

            • Eddie

              Your should read a novel called Hound Dog then (prepare to be offended though).
              I agree that the concert in Hawaii was great – you can see that on YouTube.
              But those early years when Elvis was recording those songs by Jewish boys Lieber and Stoller (black music? Hah!) were the glory years.

        • Tim

          The comeback special was Xmas 1968

          He started playing Vegas in 1969

          Comment is Free but Facts are Sacred

          Now let’s all gatecrash CIF with Maggie was right comments and see how we fare…

          • Swank

            Ah right. Thanks for the correction.

      • Fergus Pickering

        Most of us outlive our lives in the end. Battiness beckons us all. I forget the names of people I thought I knew well. Soon I shall forget my own. Mick Jagger thinks he is not old and ugly. But alas…

        • Eddie

          Possibly, yes. But some people do really seem to outlive their lives. Reagan was one. Wallis Simpson was another.
          Some people, however, seem to die at just the right time – so their lives are not blighted by any dreadful decline.And of course, some people can’t die soon enough (mentioning no names, Mr Al-Galloway…).
          (I have seen this several times in stroke victims, who have survived strokes and lived 5 unhappy frustrated years more – when it would have been much better if the major stroke had finished em off first time; I have also seen several oldies who decided that the time was right and who just stopped eating to end it all).
          However, I have just heard that Mrs Thatcher was reading on the morning of her stroke, so maybe the old mind was still there till the end, cogs crunching?

          • Fergus Pickering

            Thank you, Eddie. I enjoyed reading that.

            • Eddie

              I think about stuff like this because my own old mum is the same age and the Queen and Maggie Thatcher! I have seen a lot of good – and bad – in elderly care.

        • Swank

          We’re going to see a lot more of this ‘outliving’, as people keep taking the drugs they’re given without thinking about why they still take them. Sometimes I think life is pretty pointless as it is; but I can’t imagine slogging through days that have absolutely no satisfactions in them. (I didn’t say pleasures because pleasure is narrower and harder to come by.)

          • Eddie

            Yes, indeed. But we should be grateful for medical science. A lot of the meds my mum is on were not available until the 80s or 90s! And, for example, some of her friends have stents keeping them alive – the first UK operation was in 1986!
            But I do take your point. In my experience, elderly people do decide to end it all, by refusing food (I have seen that 3 times in the last 5 years). When they know the alternative is a care home of pain for a few useless pointless months.

            • Swank

              Interesting, and makes sense. In my f-in-law’s case it was helped by the fact that he had had ALS for a year and found it hard to swallow anything. But at 79 I already thought that medical science (surgery on carotid arteries, for one thing) had saved him about three times. He would have been for the chop at 60 otherwise. His dad was less lucky: died of stomach cancer brought on by ulcers before the discovery of Helicobacter pylori.

              Personally, I want the impossible: no need of medical magic, I just want to be incredibly young until I drop dead of a heart attack while eating treacle tart looking out over my estate with a river running through it, and laughing, age 60ish to 80ish. My main concern is not for myself but for one or two others that might feel disappointed.

  • James Strong

    No, this will not do.
    It’s not funny, it has no new insights and is a lazy attempt at a comment on the death of the most important British politician of the post-war era. And that’s true whichever side of the divide you are on.
    Perhaps you are trying to point out that there is too much coverage; you forget that most people only read one newspaper or watch onme news programme. It would be remiss of any of those outlets not to over the death.
    I am normally a fan of yours, Rod, but this is not good enough.

    • rodliddle

      If they only read one newspaper today they wouldn’t have a clue what is going on in the world.

  • George Igler

    You’ve missed one out Rod:

    “Comments are closed.”

    • John Hall

      Or soon will be.

    • The_Missing_Think

      Yes…I see the Telegraph blogs team are honoring in a very apt… section 5, 1986… way. Good old rigid Right wing “zero tolerance”.

      • Swank

        If you’re looking for ‘zero tolerance’, try posting a non-Leftist comment on The Guardian and see how long it stays up. The guff about commenting policy is a smokescreen for the truth, which is that only lockstep Lefty opinion is allowed.

        • The_Missing_Think

          Thanks for reminding me that two wrongs make a right. Well done, case closed.

          The legal germination of “zero tolerance” culture, began in 1986, not 1997. It simply thrived outwards thereafter…. to the point we’re at now, where the so called ‘free press’ Torygraph, has had “Comments are closed”, running for two days now, and nothing big has really happened.

          Also, given the decline, it’s hardly surprising that all Govts since, have heavily reinforced the mighty convenience of silence, with layer upon layer of ‘shut it or jail’ laws. For example, the October 2010 Equalities Act,
          takes the right not to be offended, to new absurd levels.

          • Swank

            Um, at the Telegraph, no one can comment. At The Guardian, only Leftists can comment. See the difference?

            I’m not saying I approve, necessarily, though I do understand, in the Telegraph’s case: with a police force like Britain’s, no newspaper wants to be the kindling for redirected civil unrest; to say nothing of giving moderators too much work and overtime.

            • The_Missing_Think

              So let’s clarify, Thatcher’s do not offend 1986 law, has blocked Tories from paying their respects, on the Torygraph… to Tory Thatcher… and the Tories stoicly unite, to declare and click this as a great cultural Tory achievment?

              “It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere.” – Voltaire.

              • Span Ows

                Torygraph? Where have you been?

          • salieri

            Seriously bad point. Please go and look up what the Coalition said immediately after its election about being bound by an Act which had been approved at all levels of Parliament one month BEFORE its election – and one which was both compelled by European Directives and a consolidation of enactments previously passed between 1997 and 2010.

            • The_Missing_Think

              “Approved by all levels of parliament”… would that include the votes of HMG’s official Tory Opposition? Clue: not one ‘Tory’ voted against it. It glided.

              This fact alone, debunks the rest… cheerio.

        • ProffessorPlum

          “try posting a non-Leftist comment on The Guardian”

          Another one that gets pulled quickly by the Guardian is one that refers to this:

          Or Dominic Souter or David Mendell

          • David Kravitz

            I clicked on your youtube reference and it appears to be an arab-made film making wild suggestions. At the end is the comment “the men were cleared by the FBI”. So what is your point, Plum?

            • ProffessorPlum

              “the men were cleared by the FBI”

              They were released after 10 weeks on orders from above.

              The point was though that if you refer to it, Dominic Souter or David Mendel on CiF then it gets deleted very quickly.

        • Stephen Page

          Even a mild criticism of the Left by myself on the Guardian website results in censorship, honestly it is more like interacting with some Soviet-style instrument of state than a website in a liberal western democracy.

          • Swank

            Yes. Were you banned? They’re very twitchy over there, as you say. The Left likes equality above all else but is not very fond of freedom, in general.

      • Whyshouldihavetoregister

        Free speech means the DT (and the Graun) have the right to publish what they want, not the duty to publish what you want. Now go away.

        • The_Missing_Think

          So they don’t use our pavements, roads, or infrastructure to turn a profit, and could just as easily make a living out of the people of Saudi Arabria, Iraq or Afghanistan?

          You sure about that?

          They operate in ‘Our Space’, a space that many have toiled, died and suffered for, in order to create and protect it… to their liking and advantage.

          Optimally, respect and gratitude are bi-directional, unlike the shrine of the cloth cap.

          • Whyshouldihavetoregister

            What in God’s name have the existence of infrastructure and foreign countries got to do with the nature of free speech? If the existence of ‘our space’ (balls, but let it pass) enables anyone to publish anything at anyone else’s expense, why doesn’t it legitimate the actions of pedophiles and serial killers?

            • The_Missing_Think

              Day three of ‘free press’… “Comments are closed” clue: (my emphasis).

              “Remember that: when you say something on our site, it’s us who host it, in our space. It’s not your free speech you’re exercising on these pages, it’s ours.”

              Tom Chivers – October 19th, 2012.


              Rod may or may not want me to stop hijacking his blog, so I’m going to leave you to it… but I will add, I don’t want any control of what the “DT and Graun” print, just the freedom to present quotes and evidence to the contrary. That’s all.

      • monty61

        The Telegraph site is rapidly fading into the same irrelevant oblivion as The Times … soon no-one at all will read it. Nothing to do with ‘Comments closed’. I was a regular reader before the paywall. Now I’m not. I recall the opprobrium The Times faced for doing this, where is the criticism of the Telegraph? Regardless, whatever is on there now matters far less than it ever did before.