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The View from 22 — Margaret Thatcher’s secret Kremlin files, remembering her funeral and the Boston bombings

18 April 2013

18 April 2013

Were Margaret Thatcher’s relationships with foreign leaders as straightforward as they appeared to the public? In this week’s Spectator cover feature, Pavel Stroilov provides a special insight into one particular relationship — Mikhail Gorbachev. Stroilov reveals the official Kremlin records of what Thatcher said to Gorbachev behind closed doors. On our View from 22 podcast, Thatcher biographer and advisor Robin Harris analyses her foreign policy legacy with Fraser Nelson, examining her relationship with world leaders, the personal and political differences that existed and the lessons the world today can take from her.

BBC Presenter and Spectator chairman Andrew Neil also joins to discuss Baroness Thatcher’s funeral; the significance of the occasion, whether the event was ‘burying a part of Britain’ and the chances of a similar funeral for another Prime Minister. Andrew also reveals the testy side of his relationship with Baroness Thatcher while he was editing the Sunday Times. Plus, we hear from James Forsyth on the age of cynical politics and the Boston Bombings, and from Fraser Nelson on the significance of his scoop announcing the BBC’s new Head of News.

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  • CraigStrachan

    Fraser pronounces “Mugabe” the same way I do: “Moo-gabby”.

  • the viceroy’s gin

    Out of curiosity, is there anybody willing to invest 32 minutes and 26 seconds to listen to the Speccie teenagers’ witterings?

    It’d be simpler and better if the Speccie simply published a (abridged) transcript, rather than this blatant grasp to capture email addresses.

    • http://www.spectator.co.uk/ Sebastian Payne

      Each podcast is downloaded 100,000 – 200,000 times a week, so people do seem to enjoy them. We’ve never asked for an email to listen.

      • the viceroy’s gin

        I get it that there are some who have surrendered an email address to you, driving up the count of “downloads” (although your figures for this do seem suspicious), but that doesn’t answer the question: Is there anybody willing to invest 32 minutes and 26 seconds to listen to the Speccie teenagers’ witterings?

    • Tim Reed

      Sometimes discussions work much better with audio – there’s an added dimension. Most of the tone of the recent arguments between Peter Hitchens/Damian Thompson, Douglas Murray vs Trenton Oldfield and Toby Young/Owen Jones would be lost in a transcript – the frustration, the hostility, the contempt etc.

      I value the podcasts. Keep them coming.

  • http://twitter.com/sprogglie Sprogglechops

    Mrs T had one major advantage over most politicians. She was being briefed by the same man (Oleg Gordievsky) who actually briefed Gorbachev during the latter’s visits to London. Gordievsky was, at the time, the Resident (head of KGB station) at the London embassy, but also probably the most successful British agent ever.

  • dmitri the impostor

    Modest proposal. Yesterday she was laid to rest. So give it one.

  • ProffessorPlum

    “Were Margaret Thatcher’s relationships with foreign leaders as straightforward as they appeared to the public?”

    She was a politician. As journalists what they say in public is very rarely the same as what they say in private.

    Take the Treaty Of Versailles: In public the politicians and media claimed it to be a peace treaty; in private they claimed it to be a suspension of hostilities.

    • David Kravitz

      “The Arab Israeli road map”
      Here we go again.
      You are an ANTISEMITE.

      • ProffessorPlum

        “You are an ANTISEMITE.”

        What on earth is antisemitic about mentioning the Arab Israeli road map?

        I think it is a perfect example of what politicians say in public and what they must be saying in private. Take the war on Gaza. Despite the fact that Israel had broken the ceasefire and Hamas had been calling for a continuation of it. Israel twice went ahead with bombing the people of Gaza. Our Politicians in Britain and Europe all stated that Israel was defending itself. A blatant lie.
        Do you think they actually believe what they say and continue spouting the same when they are in private?

        • HookesLaw

          Which ceasefire are you talking about. Hamas continued to fire rockets after the 2008 ceasefire.

          • ProffessorPlum

            Both. You are confusing Islamic Jihad with Hamas. Also by the time Israel invaded Gaza and murdered 6 Gazans, Hamas had reigned in all resistance groups and no missiles had been fired for weeks.

            • David Kravitz

              And what about the rockets fired from Gaza in 2013?
              You are an ANTISEMITE Plum.

              • ProffessorPlum

                “And what about the rockets fired from Gaza in 2013?”

                Which rockets, the one’s that were in response to two killings.

                What about all the bullets and rockets and other ordanace fired into Gaza?

                if there is a ceasefire and it’s holding, it would seem to make sense not to do anything that might provoke the Palestinian ressitance to respond.
                Unless Israel hoped that its actions would provoke a response and give it the excuse it needed to kill more Palestinians.

                • Colonel Mustard

                  If you really believe the imperative of Israel is “to kill more Palestinians” you are neither objective nor impartial. You have disqualified yourself from sensible comment about this issue and David Kravitz is correct.

                • David Kravitz

                  ” You have disqualified yourself from sensible comment about this issue”
                  He did that a long time ago. He is not really worth answering. He is probably either an Islamist of a supporter of the far right.

                • David Kravitz

                  Try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel for a more accurate figure.

                  Two further rockets last night. And what were they in response to?

                  The rest of your posting is bilge too and totally unsupported by impartial media. What’s your source or do you claim to live close by?

                  “Besides that I thought this thread was about what politicians say in public as compared to what they must be saying in private.”
                  It’s you that is hijacking several Spectator blogs plus several newspapers with your ANTISEMITIC allegations that do not relate to the source material. That is why you attract so many negatives from other readers.

                • ProffessorPlum

                  “for a more accurate figure.”

                  Totaly meaningless, it leaves out the quantity of ordanance fired into Gaza by Israel.

                  “And what were they in response to?”

                  I don’t know. Not honouring the 2012 ceasefire agreement, perhaps.

                  “As Israel has absolutely NO presence in Gaza, how can they do that?”

                  By not shooting at them might be a good start.”

                • David Kravitz

                  You are an ANTISEMITIC plonker.

        • Colonel Mustard

          Make the same observation about some (named) Labour politicians and their various crimes and scandals against the British people and you ‘might’ have a shred of credibility. Using your Israel/Palestine hobby horse to make a point about British politicians – and, oh what a coincidence, a Tory politician – is beyond pathetic.

        • David Kravitz

          Total rubbish, Plum.

          “Our Politicians in Britain and Europe all stated that Israel was defending itself”
          According to the “expert” Plum, a blatant lie. And you base that statement on what?

          • ProffessorPlum

            ” And you base that statement on what?”

            Because Hamas was willing to renew the ceasefires that Israel had broken.

    • HookesLaw

      In what way did anyone ‘claim’, privately or otherwise, that the Treaty was a suspension of hostilities, ie a deliberate pause before a determination to fight again?
      Many people may have thought the Treaty sowed the seeds of another war but the facts point to the Allies being totally unwilling to return to conflict.

      • ProffessorPlum

        “but the facts point to the Allies being totally unwilling to return to conflict.”

        which is why Roosevelt sent Bullit and Kennedy to Europe to push British, French and Polish governments into war. Not to mention Churchill’s desire for war. And don’t forget Judea had declared war on Germany in 1933.

        • David Kravitz

          “And don’t forget Judea had declared war on Germany in 1933”
          Where was Judea in 1933, ANTISEMITE?

          • ProffessorPlum

            “Where was Judea in 1933, ANTISEMITE?”

            Good question.

            Perhaps you should ask Lord Beaverbrook. Being both a jew and the owner of the newspaper where that front page headline appeared.

            • David Kravitz

              The problem with ANTISEMITES is that everything is a Jewish conspiracy. For your information, Aitken was born in Maple, Ontario, Canada, (near Keele Street and Major Mackenzie Drive) in 1879, the son of a Scottish-born Presbyterian minister.
              But, then, I think it was you, elsewhere, who described Catholic Rupert Murdoch as a Jew, as well.

              • ProffessorPlum

                “the son of a Scottish-born Presbyterian minister.”

                Well you live and learn.

                ” who described Catholic Rupert Murdoch as a Jew,”

                i said his mother was a jew.

                That as it is. The headline ‘Judea Declares War on Germany’ appeared in the Daily Express in March 1933. Ok?

                http://www.google.it/search?q=judea+declares+war+on+germany+daily+express&hl=it&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=4qJzUbrRFPOO7AbC2oCgBQ&ved=0CDkQsAQ&biw=1036&bih=582

                • David Kravitz

                  “i said his mother was a jew”
                  And you are wrong on that too.

                  ‘Murdoch was born in Melbourne on 8 February 1909, the third daughter of Marie Grace de Lancey (Forth) and Rupert Greene. Her grandfather, William Henry Greene, was an Irish railway engineer (later one of the three Commissioners of Victorian Railways) who emigrated to Australia and married Fanny, the fourth of the 10 daughters of George Govett. Her mother’s ancestors were Scottish and English; one of her maternal great-grandfathers was a lieutenant governor in the West Indies’

                  Your problem is that you believe your own lies and fantasies. Stop writing nonsense in a variety of papers and start to read a lot more. Better still, get a job.

    • David Kravitz

      “The Arab Israeli road map. In public the way to peace inprivate and on the ground; the way for Israel to continue stealing land.”
      How would you know, ANTISEMITE?

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