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The Boston bombings should make ‘Real IRA’ supporters in the US stop and think

25 April 2013

25 April 2013

One of the first world statesmen to send a message of sympathy to Boston after last week’s outrage was Gerry Adams, president of Sinn Fein. ‘Just watching news of the explosion in Boston,’ he tweeted, ‘Sympathy with people of that fine city.’ Mr Adams has every reason to think fondly of Boston. Throughout the troubles, while he sat on the IRA war council, Boston was one of the major American centres which he (through Noraid) could rely on for support and funding. Bostonian money would have been used to help pay for the IRA attack on Margaret Thatcher’s democratically elected government in Brighton, the grotesque Birmingham pub bombings that left 21 dead, and of course the Lisburn van bombing of 15 June 1988. On that terrible occasion six off-duty British soldiers were killed by an IRA bomb just after they had completed a half-marathon for charity.

By no means all Bostonians supported the IRA. But far too many for comfort filled in the collecting tins that went round the bars of the south part of the city, where IRA terrorists were treated as heroes. This activity was smiled on by many local politicians, and overlooked for a time even by the FBI. Of course one’s heart goes out to the dead and wounded from last week’s hideous attack, and the sympathy here in Britain has been universal. But it is not easy to draw the distinction between the horror inflicted on Boston last week and the IRA (and loyalist) atrocities of the Troubles. Yet US sympathisers are funding the ‘Real IRA’ even today. In the light of last week’s horror, would it be too much to ask them to desist?

This is an extract from Peter Oborne’s diary in The Spectator, out in print and online today. Click here to subscribe.


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  • Scott

    Dear UK Citizens,

    While I agree that Americans (or anyone) who supported IRA violence should be ashamed, let’s look at the uncomfortable truth about dedicated UK government support of NI terrorism, a topic most UK citizens choose to avoid, especially when attempting to place much of the blame on the US for IRA violence and for the NI conflict in general. The two decades of legalisation of The Ulster Defense Association.

    From 1972 to 1992 the UDA murdered and intimidated many innocents legally in NI. Their political representatives were allowed to visit the US freely to make their case on British taxpayers dollars, their members were allowed to join the Security Forces and Police, and they freely ran advice centers recruiting at will. HMG allowed all of this and even directed UDA terrorist activities (Brian Nelson and South African arms deals are obvious examples).

    One can find pictures of joint UDA/BA patrols from the 70’s online and HMG allowed the organisation to wreck The Sunningdale Agreement by intimidation, threats, and violence bringing the province to a standstill. They did the IRA’s work for them legally with tacit support from the British Government. The British Government even legalised the UVF for a brief amount of time in the 1970’s hoping it would engage politically which, of course it did not do meaningfully until many years later.

    One will not find one scrap of US government legislation that claims support for the IRA. Assinine statements from Ted Kennedy and Peter King do not amount to US government support and the FBI had a specific department that was dedicated to destroying IRA activities in the US. Also remember that The Good Friday Agreement was a largely American initiative.

    On the other hand, the British Government allowed the UDA to receive public funds in the millions and allowed it to flourish within Northern Ireland society until they finally wised up and proscribed it in 1992.

    Should Americans who supported NORAID be ashamed? Yes. But the British Government and it’s citizens who supported the actions of The Ulster Defense Association should be ashamed of themselves as this terrorist group (the biggest one in Western Europe) engaged in killing, extortion, punishment beatings, drug dealings, and other horrible activities with impunity in the name of Unionism.

    UK citizens: Maybe the major financier and supporter of terrorist activities in Norther Ireland is not the US: maybe it’s you and your government.

  • Tom

    who is supporting the Real IRA today in the states ???? I am born and bread in Boston…last name McAuley…granddad from Belfast. This is a fucking joke. No one “supports” the IRA in the states???? Pathetic article

  • Dan

    And the common thread or threat is imperialist invasion, how does one expect those on the receiving end to behave, what would you do?

  • DNACowboy
  • Samuel

    what an embarassing article….

  • borik molis

    REAL IRA is feature irish

  • RichardMahony

    What the two Tsarnaev brothers are alleged to have done is sickening. But yes, Boston continues to be a hotbed of sentimental Irish-American support for the IRA and its offshoots. Boston continues to be a hotbed of support for the Roman Catholic Church in the USA and in Ireland. Hence, Bostonian Irish-American Roman Catholics do have a lot to answer for.

    Just as the Tsarnaev brothers are a pair of badly informed truthers who along with their crazy as batshit mother think that 9-11 was a USA government conspiracy to discredit all those who follow the teachings of Mohammed of Mecca and Medina, those who drop their coins in the collecting tins for the Real IRA are equally badly informed who also adhere to certain truths, myths and legends about the subjugation of Ireland by the Anglo-Cambrian swarm and their descendants. Not to mention the ‘orrible Oliver.

    Bombers and gunmen have a reputation for being cold hearted killers. They’re not. Most of them are extremely sentimental. Ruthless, callous to the sufferings of those who they do not include in their tribe – but above all else sentimental. Sentimentality goes down well in the USA because it reduces the need to think rigorously. Thinking rigorously requires practise. It requires a decent grounding in the tools of analytical thinking. To see that the Truthers are clueless, you need a decent understanding of mathematics, physics and chemistry – something that almost all Americans lack. But ignorance never stopped a Yank from expressing his opinion on anything.

    The sentimental thinking of the Tsarnaev brothers is much closer to the sentimental thinking of the so-called Irish Patriots than most Irish-American Bostonians want to acknowledge. Were they to do so, they might have to confront some unpleasant home truths.

  • Kevin Parsons

    Look, all though it may not be as bad as it was in Northern Ireland back in The Troubles. They still are oppressed and wish to not. Sinn Fein is politically trying to start peace and somewhat try to bring the North back to the Republic. But clearly England ignores it and still occupies it. I think one major difference between these terrible Boston bombings and attacks in Northern Ireland is that the two Tsarnaev brothers were not oppressed and were just two loose screws. The Real IRA and all other factions in Northern Ireland and the Republic are fighting for a cause, even though almost all governments, if not all think its just terrorist activities. They have a legitimate cause and always have had one. This article is so corrupt, why don’t they talk about the people from New York and Boston who support the loyalist groups?

    One more thing to add, the British killed 14 UNARMED civilians in Free Derry in 1969. There is one huge motive to start the armed struggle or what I like to call, the bubble burst. The United States never harmed the Tsarnaevs at all. They have no motive.

    • Karla’s Man

      Oppressed by the Barnett Formula? And when are you lot going to pay your mortgage?

      • Kevin Parsons

        I don’t see what made you think I live in Ireland.

        • Karla’s Man

          A Plastic Paddy, then?

          • Jambo25

            One of the plasticest. I suspect he may suffer from Irish-Americanism. It can be quite virulent.

    • http://twitter.com/MDSpratt Matthew Spratt

      You do realise that only 26% of people in Northern Ireland want a united Ireland and that we can vote on the issue? We even had a referendum one it once before and can call a new one whenever we want, the DUP even toyed with the idea of calling one afew months ago (And there the batshit insane unionists).

      Calling us occupied is mental, we have a devolved power sharing government with a unionist majority. Admittedly the fact we have unionist and nationalist parties is indeed crazy we should have a real political system but thats just to much to ask.

      There not fighting for a cause and either are the UDA there bigots stuck in the past who know a political system doesn’t suit them as there views aren’t the same as that of the majority.

      The IRA killed more catholics than any other organisation in NI, they do not stand to represent the nationalist community even if some guy 3000 miles away thinks they do.

      Donate to the SDLP if your looking to help further nationalism so we don’t have to live with constant bomb threats or bigoted politicians holding us back. But honestly if you really want the best for Ireland you could just do us a favour and stay out of our politics and stick to stopping Americans ruining your own country by letting people like George Bush in.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Rabrichard1 Richard Black

    Just a shame Peter Oborne is less honest when it comes to Palestinian terrorism. If only he showed the same concern for Israeli victims as British victims…

    • Karla’s Man

      The King David Hotel. The Israelis are no better than EOKA. But then of course, one of the tenets of Zionism are implicit Europhobia and the rejection of “corrupting” European culture, hence such groups as the Hasidim and the Haredim are given particular encouragement in Israel.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    My contributions are again deleted. Look up the meaning of free speech, Indy. And while you’re at it, you might want to consider the name of this publication to something more appropriate. “Establishment Lackey” perhaps?

  • John Crabtree

    When it comes to Irish American funding for republican causes lets deal with a number of facts. Most of the money that was sent from Amercia actually came from people who were born in the Six counties of Northern Ireland( and who were cleansed out of their homes) or whose parents were born there.
    Boston did more for the peace proces i.e the efforts of Teddy Kennedy, Tip O’Neil et cetera than any Tory government did. Remember in 1979 Sir James Glover told Margaret Thatcher that ther was no military solution to the Northern Ireland conflict and politcal progess was the best way forward, for her entire premiership her own goal in ireland was a military solution.
    When it comes to the conflict in Ireland, the Loyalists and British Army killed more than 4 times and injured more than 8 times the amount of uninvolved Innocent civilians than the IRA ever did. All this may come as a shock to people but it was also illuminate the extent of the brainwashing and half truths that the British public have had to endure in realtion to the Irish conflict

    • Jambo25

      What do you define as “innocent civilians”? Had my wife, son and I been killed in that North London bomb would we have been “innocent civilians” or culpable in some way. As far as I know those involved in Noraid and other support groups were mainly US citizens. As for the lovely Kennedy family and their adherents. Remember that the US equivalent of King Farouk (To use Gore Vidal’s description.) was fairly enthusiastic about the IRA for a while (Inbetween drowning political workers.) and some of the younger Kennedys, like the idiot, Joe juniour, were completely ra ra for them (No pun intended.). As for your body accountancy of the dead. I think you’d better take arithmetic and statistics lessons. The lubes who had a pop at my friend and I in that Boston bar were echt Bostonians. You could tell by the accent. Once heard never forgotten.

      Incidentally, I love your use of the word ‘cleansed’. I actually came across people who were ‘cleansed’ out of their homes in Northern Ireland. During the 70s and 80s I was a teacher in Central Scotland in an area which had connections with N. Ireland and we ended up taking a number of children from Protestant, Unionist backgrounds. They and their families were some of the nicest people you could meet and had been cleared out by Catholioc, Republican violence. Some years later my wife and I had our usual holiday in Southern Germany and Austria and got talking to a family from down near the Irish border. The guy had his phone call alarm to play ‘The Ride of the Valkyries’. I asked him why and he explained that it was the regimental march of the Parachute Regiment and pissed off his lovable Catholic, Republican neighbours who’d been acting as touts and spotters for the ‘Ra’ to set up and cleanse as much of the Protestant farming community from the border as they could.

      Incidentally, before you start screaming ‘bigotry’ or whatever self exculpatory dross is in use amongst Republican folk nowadays, my grandparents were Catholic smallholders from the border counties of the Republic.

      • John Crabtree

        Lets deal with the facts here Jambo, ” you say as far as you know” exactly no research if you do more research into it you will find that the majority of people who supported NORAID were from Northern Ireland or their parents were, I use the word majority meaning that some Americans did also.
        In my experience Irish Americans are far more informed about Northern Ireland than the British Public, which is down to two things one is the news is far more balanced and less partisan and the fact that they teach Irish history in many american schools and Universities.
        Edward Kennedy was a firm opponent of the IRA, read any of his statements from the 70s and 80s, he was a supporter of Sinn Fein taking a politcal path after receiving advice from John Hume and others. As for the cleansing of people from Northern Ireland you will find around 80 per cent were catholics, if it happened to Protestants it was equally wrong. For example this year in Belfast alone 90 per cent of sectarian attacks were committted by Portestants in a city where the protestant population is less than 40 per cent.
        The raison d’etre of conflict in Ireland is Unionist refusal to live on equal term with the rest of the Irish population, hence the supremacy meantality which leads to these attacks.
        Jambo25 a firm Orangman I believe, why dont you inform me of the disrcimantion and bgitory suffered by Irish Catholics in Scotland, thats if your telling the truth about your grandparents which given your views and lack of balance is unlikely. Your probabaley just a squaddie who did two or three tours of NI believed the crap you were fed by your superiors and have become attached to the cause of Loyalism ever since. Perhaps if you read abit more you would relalise that hurt was caused by all three protaganists in the conflict, Republicans, Loyalists and British Army.

        • Jambo25

          Yeah, you got me boss. I’m an ex member of the Queen’s Own History Teachers Regiment and Grand Master of an Orange lodge on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. On Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays I’m Grand Mistress of the Lodge (I’m funny that way.). On Sundays, I go to the dark side as that’s my day for the Ancient Order of Hibernians.

          Kennedy came to disown the IRA after people like Hume got through the alcohol fumes surrounding his addled brain and explained reality to him though, it is worth pointing out, that some of his younger relatives never quite got it.

          As for what is going on in Northern Ireland now. Well, frankly, I’d dispute your 90%-10% split idea on the sectarian attacks. I don’t think PSNI figures show that. I’d also point to the fact that all the gun and bomb attacks (and killings) of the past few years have been from the Republican side. I don’t just comdemn (Now and in the past.) Catholic, republican psychos but Proddy, Loyalist psychos as well.

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      Do you doctor the number of recommendations, Spec? The Catholic Daily Telegraph used to do that.

  • Bill

    People who target innocent men, women and children are Murderers. People who fund, or ‘cheer on’, those who do the actual killing are, in the eyes of the great God of the bible, just as guilty. I doubt such people (from wherever they come from) have any real faith in a just God. I fear, if there is no sincere, heartfelt repentance, they have destroyed themselves in the process of Murdering others.

  • sunnydayrider

    Your asking the Americans to stop and think. It’s like asking Liverpudlians to do the same over Heisell or Hillsborough.

    • farlo

      a ho ho, what a witty comment there benny hill.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    It’s obvious why many US citizens passively support the cause of a united Ireland and irish freedom, and in places like Boston that support is far more active. Back in the late 18th century, settlers of the New North American colonies shook off British tyranny by means of a successful revolutionary war. So learn from history and stop occupying other people’s countries, Britisher pals. Because it all ends in tears.

    “Go on home British Soldiers, go on home
    Have you got no ****ing homes of your own
    For 800 years we’ve fought you without fear
    And we’ll fight you for 800 more

    If you stay British soldiers, if you stay
    You’ll never ever beat the IRA
    For the 14 men in Derry
    Are the last that you will bury
    So take a tip, and leave us while you may”

    Jack, the Japan Alps Brit
    Live internationally, think internationally

  • CraigStrachan

    “But far too many for comfort filled in the collecting tins in the south part of the city, where IRA terrorists were treated as heros. The activity was smiled on by many local politicians, and overlooked for a time even by the FBI”

    Well, a lot of stuff got overlooked by the FBI, when John Connolly was in the Boston field office. Where is he now? Doing 40 years in federal prison in Florida.

    And Billy Bulger is long out of office and semi-disgraced. Even Whitey evidently hardly recognized Southie when they brought him home. (All those new condos for the yuppies, plus the disorienting effects of the Big Dig.)

    Boston is no longer the city you describe and hasn’t been for quite a while. Time to move on.

    • Jambo25

      An English pal and myself were once attacked in a Boston bar for not putting money in one of the white tins. Some years later my wife, son and myself were caught up in an IRA bomb in North London. I always wondered whether it was paid for by the same so and sos who my pal and I ran into in Boston. By the way that wasn’t in ‘Southie’ but in a rather up-market bar in the city centre and the bozos who had a pop at us were the late 70s equivalent of ‘yuppies’.

      • CraigStrachan

        Ok, so this was in the late 70s? You probably need to get over it. (Although as a person of Ulster-Protestant descent and sympathies who lived in Boston in the late 80s/early 90s I know just the type of bozos you mean!)

        • UKSteve

          Yeah, once you get over the Boston marathon. Stupid comment.

        • RichardMahony

          His wife, he and his son were caught up in an IRA bomb and they need to get over it? You pretentious pillock.

      • ArchiePonsonby

        Yes, I was abused in a very up-market restaurant in Seattle in the late eighties by a wannabe Irishman because he overheard my accent. His companions, to their credit, looked mortified, but clearly he was a creature who had no compunction about embarrassing his friends!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

        Which bar ?

        • Jambo25

          Cannot remember the name of the bar we had hassle in but it was near the Roisin Dubh as we had a stiffener there afterwards. We’d already eaten at the Durgin Park and somebody must have had a bad clam or clams as she threw-up over the entrance to the Old State House later.

          • farlo

            really? is that a joke? where the Boston Massacre occured.

            • Jambo25

              No, why should it be? The bar we got threatened in wasn’t the Roisin Dubh but it was pretty near there. It was a fair few years ago when Boylston Street and environs were still known as “The Combat Zone”. The gentrification of central Boston had just started.

  • Q46

    Gerry Adams a World statesman?

    What World does Peter Oborne inhabit?

    Meanwhile back here on Earth…

    • Jambo25

      I think it’s called sarcasm.

  • http://www.facebook.com/danny.c.hurley Danny Hurley

    The true IRA NEVER targeted civilians! (read the handbook) Any atrocity attributed to the IRA (Birmingham etc) was almost ALWAYS perpetrated by MI5 or elements within British security, in order to demonise the republican cause, those fighting for it, and enstinguish public support. The IRA was, up until the 70’s, an armed political struggle against an illegal occupying force, which degenerated in into gangsterism.
    … As for Margaret Thatchers ‘democratically’ elected Government! HA!
    If you disagree, please don’t comment because I wont be reading the article again… but please do some research into the extremely murky history of the IRA and British Security.

    • Powder

      Bless. I love it when kids try to comment on grown-up subjects.

    • http://twitter.com/MisterQuintus Tony Quintus

      Oh no, so they didn’t murder 3 british businessmen in 1977? Didn’t firebomb 5 hotels just before christmas of the same year? Didn’t carry out thousands of so called punishment attacks?
      Grow up, or better yet go read a book!

    • Airey Belvoir

      Surely it can’t be half-term again?

    • chan chan

      This person is like those lunatics claiming Muslim terrorist attacks are really done by Mossad/CIA/MI6.

  • anneallan

    There was an interview with a Bostonian the other day. She mentioned, with no sense of irony or insight, her astonishment that a NI man to whom she had been speaking explained he was used to bombs.
    It was an appalling event, but many Brits harbour memories of the $millions given to the IRA by the Irish diaspora, particularly in Boston.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

      Now let’s speak with Syrians about those bombs wrecking their lives and the MI6 training centres in Turkey and Jordan, and how much kit Willie Hague is shipping to Al-Aqaeda such as the 3500 tonnes airlifted with British connivance from Croatia to Jordan and Turkey to kit out terrorists. The British get po-faced when asked about how much terrorism they are funding

      • Their lips are moving so….

        Tom Tom. You are an idiot

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

          You are a war criminal

          • UKSteve

            America has bombed 39 countries since 1945.

            As youare clearly retarded,. maybe have a Google of “My Lai, Vietnam”. Or just Vietnam – everything America does is bigger and that’s perfect proof.

            • Jackthesmilingblack

              The United States of Torture: It’s undeniable.

            • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

              What a complete idiot you are ! I am not American but because I object to Britain feeding weapons into Syria I am responsible for My Lai and Vietnam. Well so be it ! You are clearly satisfied with killing Christians in Syria and the kidnapping of the Syrian Orthodox and Greek Orthodox Bishops in Aleppo. you also approve of the murder of Christians in Baghdad and persecution in Egypt. I see UKSteve that you want only to spout your Anti-US twaddle. Well do so and now go wet your pants !

              • UKSteve

                No said or assumed that you are an American. “Their lips are moving””s observation is spot on

                You type unfounded, unprovable anti-British garbage on here, and expect not to be rebutted. If you don’t want to run away citing like a silly child, pick on someone your of your own intelligence level, i.e. an amoeba.

                • RichardMahony

                  ‘… ie an amoeba’. Love it!

            • farlo

              indeed bigger, including our wedding tackle.

              • UKSteve

                Extremely timeous and worthwhile contribution.

                Nah, just kidding. :-)

                • farlo

                  haha

                • farlo

                  Just find it weird that a lot of British still bring up My Lai. We have done far worse things, but we aren’t proud of that stuff.

    • Blackstairs

      To my American cousins thanks for the peace process

      Tå år lå againn

  • Austin Barry
  • Westminster Measles Disaster

    Support your real and local Irish Republican Army commander. God bless.x

  • Daniel Maris

    Would it be too much to seek their extradition to the UK for terrorist offences? WHy don’t we at least try? It would send a message.

    • Jambo25

      We did try. US courts found many ingenious ways of not complying.

      • Karla’s Man

        We don’t want them back in here, with their luxuries in gaol! Even H-Block was a joke compared to the American ones! Those extradition “requests” are there to stop them from coming back.

        • Alan Moroney

          Mr Esterhazy, there is no way to stop you coming back to your own country, but there are ways of stopping you from coming to England,

  • GUBU

    Bearded man in cave wearing turban and leading terrorist organization…bad (and now dead).

    Beared man in arran sweater wearing inane grin and leading terrorist organization…good.

    • Jambo25

      But bearded man 2 only killed Brits.

      • Simon Morgan

        Eamonn Collins…James Curran…Jerry McCabe…Billy Fox…Kevin O’Higgins…Eamonn ryan…etal. But I wouldn’t want to burst your myopic bubble.

  • Reconstruct

    I think that need not have been said.

  • kyleyoder

    Are you pathetic brits still blaming your sectarian religious wars on Americans????

    • Boulay

      So you do not have a problem with anyone who funds Islamic terrorism targeted at the US?

    • Dicky14

      I guess you could just steal their land and execute them like the Americans did with their aborigines.

      • Bobby

        ….or like the brits did to the Irish eh??

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

      only insofar as de Valera was born in New York and used the War Debts of Britain after 1919 as leverage via the USA to get Irish Independence

    • UKSteve

      Are you still funding them, Moronican?

      You whine about a single bomb incident on 1 day. You are an utter joke.

    • Powder

      What do you mean still? When have we blamed the Northern Ireland conflict on America? You just made that up.

      What we are pointing out is that, while brave Bostonians stand bravely against terrorism (well, a couple of common criminals actually) they haven’t minded funding it in the UK for the past 40 years.

      (If you want me to explain that in even simpler terms, just shout.)

  • Simon Morgan

    They haven’t forgotton or forgiven the potato famine yet. I don’t think it’s very likely that they will ‘stop and think’ about anything.

    • Owen_Morgan

      Spare me the idea that the “Irish-Americans” (or the Irish, for that matter) have a genuine clue about history.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

      Potato famine ….you’ll be saying people in Glasgow, Liverpool, Bradford haven’t since that’s where they emigrated to. You clearly don’t know Boston, there are over 250,000 students in Boston and Cambridge alone – it is not as fixated on N Ireland as New York

      • Jambo25

        It’s pretty fixated though. Some Irish-American Bostonians are amongst the thickest, nastiest people you could meet.

      • UKSteve

        That’s crap. You haven’t a clue what you;re talking about – plenty of Noraid money came from there.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

          Really ? Care to quantify, specify collection points, name locations, collectors, distribution channels, sources for your information ?

          • UKSteve

            Prove they didn’t.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom
      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gosia-Yar/100000190399998 Gosia Yar

        You haven’t been to Bradford recently have you.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

          Funnily enough I have but did not see you there ? Where were you ? Did you pop into Girlington or West Bowling ? Are you living on Leeds Road or in Thornbury ? What is your postcode BD2 ? Or BD7 ?

  • Fergus Pickering

    Let’s try it without irony. Since no one British was killed in Boston it doesn’t bother us one bit. That is the Bostonian attitude, is it not? You hd it coming.

    • Mr Creosote

      I may be wrong, but I don’t think anyone from the UK sent funds to Tamerlan and Dzhokar Tsarnaev?

      • kyleyoder

        I may be wrong, but I don’t think the US conducts widespread smear campaigns against the UK to boost its ego while systematically coddling the most radical islamic clerics in the western world, thus creating a deadly combustible concoction of hatred that even the FBI warned Obama was the hotbed of the most vehement anti-Americanism in the world. Yes, in essence, Britain is now one of the US’s worst enemies. I only wish Americans were not so nice, maybe they’d recognize it.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          Yes, and eventually, the US may have to reoccupy the UK, to disarm it and keep the savages from using those arms.

          They might as well handle the situation over in France too, while they’re at it.

          Then they can turn the whole show over to the Brusselscrats. It won’t much matter at that point.

          • Alan Moroney

            And perhaps to introduce full democracy and an elected head of state.

        • Mr Creosote

          The US are always slagging us off – how come the “baddies” in Hollywood films are always English!
          Apparently we also all have bad teeth.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

            Poor NHS Dentistry and it’s true

            • Fergus Pickering

              Presumably no dentistry at all, which is hardly down to the NHS. In my childhood the dentists were terrible. They are now much better. That is probably a general thing. . Americans spend lots of money on cosmetic dentistry and love those big white teeth so many of them have..

              • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

                Americans have more dentists and hygienists. Germans have more dentists. Britain has far fewer dentists because of the NHS.

          • farlo

            the baddies are english because it lends an air of cold hearted intelligence to them.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

          Yes, if you read Stella Rimington’s autobiograpy the former Head of MI5 does not mention Muslim terrorists in the index, nor the large number of Algerians ejected from Paris allowed into London. Do they have a special file at the DWP so Muslim terrorists get to live on Benefits but never have to attend a Job Interview ? They had this arrangement in N Ireland which is why Gerry Adams and Martin McG never ever found a job except as politicians

        • Jambo25

          And I wish we had politicians who didn’t keep dragging us into America’s lunatic wars.

        • Chris Morriss

          You don’t? The US jumps at any chance to denigrate and smear the UK, and has done so since the end of WW1
          Or perhaps you follow another famous ‘murrican and believe that ‘History is bunk’?

          • farlo

            we do enjoy peeing on images of the queen mother. you got that right.

        • UKSteve

          Actually it does. Take the film (movie?) “Argo”, released this year.

          Apparently, (I haven’t seen it) there is a line where some of the people were seeking refuge and “They were turned away from the British embassy.”

          As one of our senior embassy officials THERE at the time said, “No-one was turned away”.

          Yet more anti-British propaganda. Vile, vile people.

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            I’ve seen “Argo” on DVD (unofficial channels), and there is that line.
            But that’s the US Movie industry for you. U571 strike a chord?

            Just imagine how many lies and deceptions are not picked up on.

          • Airey Belvoir

            Argo was full of nonsense. In reality the fleeing group went right through the airport with no trouble, and did not get threatened at the bazaar.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

            I have seen the film. It is false. The Canadians planned the strategem to get the Americans out and produced the passports and took them in. The British took in some of the US staff but advised British Embassy facilities were the first place the Iranians would search so it was not safe to stay long. The real star was the Canadian Ambassador Ken Taylor

          • Guest

            come one down to the pub mate, and have a ploughman’s lunch! that’ll make you right as rain.

          • Ceci Pipe

            To be fair, anti-British propaganda isn’t really hard to pull off.

            All you have to say is “Oh look, a dead Irish baby that starved to death, next we’ll have the whole isle!”.

            • UKSteve

              A uni friend of mine was Irish and Catholic. He was from Cork, had some blinkered views, and hadn’t travelled much, but even he knew that there were secret volumes in the Vatican archive that described how the potato famine was instigated by The Vatican, to turn the Irish people away from England and towards Roman Catholicism.

              He told me that a Catholic priest confirmed this to him.

        • farlo

          we just aren’t worried about Britain being our worst enemy.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

        We are assuming they carried out this deed, one wearing a white cap and another wearing a black cap. You couldn’t make it up such a corny script.

      • Alan Moroney

        i don’t think the US federal Government, nor any US State has an unelected head of state either ?

  • Mr Creosote

    Given most Americans seem to have had on irony bypass, I suspect your observations may fall on deaf ears.

    • kyleyoder

      Given most brits seem to have had a human bypass, I suspect your observations may be intended only for fellow savages.

      • Jambo25

        My, that was an intelligent comment.

      • UKSteve

        A WHAT bypass? Adolescent, much?

      • http://twitter.com/MisterQuintus Tony Quintus

        Might you perhaps mean humanity? And where was that much vaunted humanity when people were being shredded bombs in guildford? Just that one attack (horse and groom) killed more than Boston, or how about the 3 civilians killed when the IRA decided to firebomb the shop they lived above in ’76?

        • Jackthesmilingblack

          And keep in the British Criminal Justice system and a corrupt police force deliberately imprisoned the wrong people for the Guildford pub bombing for more than a decade. The IRA even told the British government they had the wrong men.
          Punishment of the innocent is a crime. A notice that should be prominently displayed in every police station throughout UK
          Think you picked the wrong example, Tony.
          Jack, the Japan Alps Brit

    • HookesLaw

      British nutjobs blaming American nutjobs, thats irony.

      • UKSteve

        Well, actually, no. Maybe if you can get an adult to read it to you…..you never know.

    • Airey Belvoir

      Why don’t you have another ‘waffer-thin mint’?

      • Mr Creosote

        I’m sweet enough already.

      • farlo

        nah he just needs a nice cheese toastie to settle hisself down.

    • ArchiePonsonby

      Irony is outlawed in the US, didn’t you know?

    • Alan Moroney

      what a load of rubbish – they, fortunately, seem to have had a nasty sarcasm bypass

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Up the RA!
    Brits out!
    Face it guys, this isn’t a popularity contest.
    Jack, the Japan Alps Brit

    • Austin Barry

      Well done, surely the most moronic post in the Spectator this year.

      • Dicky14

        He seems to be supporting the Royal Academy and quite right too.

      • HookesLaw

        That makes it amazingly bad then.

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        “the most moronic post in the Spectator this year”
        But you have to admit it’s a tight field.

    • UKSteve

      I think it’s time for your medication.

    • Karla’s Man

      “Japan Alps (sic) Brit”? I blame the Plastic Paddy Syndrome!

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        When Jock McNutter says I’m not British he is a liar. When a lunatic repeated lies, is this strictly speaking a lie when in a deranged condition he believes he is telling the truth? Any lawyers out there that can give an opinion?

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