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Godfrey Bloom, women in the workplace, and the UKIP vote

28 April 2013

10:03 PM

28 April 2013

10:03 PM

If UKIP thinks it is the victim of a smear campaign in the run-up to the local elections, then it needs to have a little think about whether the chief smearers hail from UKIP HQ itself, or CCHQ, as Paul Nuttall claimed they did when he appeared on the Sunday Politics earlier today. This evening, one of its internal smearers took to the airwaves to remind voters of a few other interesting aspects of the party’s character. Godfrey Bloom, the party’s MEP for Yorkshire and the Humber, gave John Pienaar an interview on his show this evening in which he reiterated his belief that businesses shouldn’t employ women of a childbearing age.

You can hear the full exchange, including Bloom telling the show that he’d employ me because I’m a writer and can work from home (presumably in order to make sandwiches and clean behind the fridge properly), here, but these are his key lines:

‘Well the point I was making with draconian employment legislation, we have a problem that employers are frightened to employ women of childbearing age so they tend to employ women whose families have grown up and that has been vindicated in spades so when I said that in 2004 it caused ooh shock horror and now it’s received wisdom.’

‘I wouldn’t have a problem employing Isabel because she’s a writer – she can do her work from any work station, that’s not a problem – but if I wanted a receptionist or I wanted a dental nurse I would be thinking very carefully about the age of that woman because she has to turn up at 9 o’clock every morning. This isn’t rocket science is it? This is perfectly straightforward small business policy.’

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Aside from what appears to be a very shaky understanding of how maternity leave and maternity pay work, Bloom’s comments are either proof that UKIP contains ‘fruitcakes’ and – as Ken Clarke put while wearing his own rather fruity tweed jacket and turtle-necked outfit – ‘waifs and strays’, or it doesn’t matter because no-one who votes for this party cares what its policies are. Certainly Nigel Farage’s willingness to U-turn over a former manifesto pledge for a flat tax suggests that the party’s high command thinks the latter is the case; that their appeal as the anti-politics party supersedes any work they have done on what the really believe.

But there is one other thing worth mulling about this idea that really, employing any woman who even falls within her local NHS trust’s catchment age for IVF makes bad business, is that it does fit a certain strand of anti-politics thinking that UKIP is looking to capture. The party claims to be libertarian, but also opposes gay marriage, presumably because of the electoral benefit this incurs as unhappy social conservatives look away from the Tories (Alex Massie wrote an excellent piece on this a while back). There are of course many people who take a principled stand against gay marriage but who would never dream of questioning the role of women in the workplace or employment rights for mothers. But Bloom seemed very pleased that he was able to remind Radio 5Live listeners of his views on women of childbearing age, presumably because he believes there are votes in endorsing ‘perfectly straightforward small business policy’ rather than worrying that he might be offending 50 per cent of the electorate.

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  • John matthews

    Blooms comments are spot on common sense! As a small business owner myself I can confirm he is right.

  • franknowzad

    That’s how it works out here in the real world. The more “Rights” you have the less employable you become.
    Thank God for politicians who have lived in the real world and speak their minds.

  • Dee Jay

    I don’t think Bloom meant his comments to be interpreted in the way they have been. That much is obvious from what he said in this radio prog. He seems to have a history of putting his foot in it, though, doesn’t he? Whatever, UKIP could do without inarticulate, gaffe-prone people like Godfey Bloom.

  • emptyend

    Nice propaganda piece Isobel, but I actually listened to the whole programme.

    You will recall that Bloom twice pointed out that Pienaar (and you on one occasion, I think) seemed to have a “listening problem”. He may not have been as clear as he might have been – or have had his political antennae tuned to the risks of being misrepresented – but what he was very obviously suggesting was NOT that women shouldn’t be employed (and note that he said he employed five such women himself) but that the employee and employer in very small businesses (4/5/6 people kind of size) should be allowed to agree different terms for maternity from those mandated by statute if they both wished to do so.
    It was his contention that this would lead to MORE opportunities for women to work in small businesses, not fewer.
    If the situation continues as it is then small employers may be reluctant to employ women because they couldn’t carry the cost and business damage of a prolonged absence from work, as current maternity rights mandate! Unfortunately for Bloom, you Pienaar and others have sought to misrepresent this point.

  • Radford_NG

    In reality they employ a Polish woman whose family comitments are 600 miles away with granny.Thats how Poland exports its unemployment

  • thanksdellingpole

    I’ve read rubbish from you before Hardman (imagine a name like that for a girl!) and have to break it to you that you’re probably only working at the Spekky because it’s the done thing nower days, but as soon as it isn’t, it’ll be bye bye.

    There’s no way a man couldn’t do your job, even better than you, no reason.

  • http://twitter.com/LouMcCudden Louise McCudden

    Perhaps men shouldn’t work in case they get testicular cancer and need to take time off work? Logic eh

    • Wilhelm

      That analogy doesn’t really work, sweetheart.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

      Why ? They certainly wouldn’t get treatment from the NHS which obsesses about breast cancer even though more women die of lung cancer. The NHS only diagnoses testicular cancer during autopsies

  • David Ossitt

    Isabel Hardman

    When this chap first made this comment he said something like “ any small business man would be a fool to employ a woman of childbearing age” he then went on to qualify this by pointing out that small businesses with three, four or five employees need to be able to depend on staff not taking long absences from work.

    This is simply good business sense,just imagine hiring someone like the Ex-MP Ruth Kelly it would have been a nightmare.

  • Smithersjones2013

    Oh and one other point. The ‘Smear’ is to imply that an individuals views (such as Blooms) are representative of his parties attitudes and policies. In particular in this case what seem to be rather outdated sexist views. Given the prominance of people like Diane James and Angharad Yeo within UKIP, I suspect Blooms views can be easily dismissed.

    His views though are no more offensive than the attitudes of women like Harriet Harman who seem to think that women are entitled to privileged treatment purely because they have a certain set of physical appendages (although granted intellect is not her strong suite) .

    Frankly if women want people like Bloom censured by their party for sexism then all three major parties would have to censure just about every women politician in Westminster because just about all of them peddle the same feminist agenda of misandrist prejudice, female entitlement and privilege.

    Yes there are sexist males (go figure). Its about time women admitted that many of their gender are equally sexist.

    As for Dizzy Izzy’s ridiculous bleating about a level of hypocrisy over the party.s supposed libertarianism well perhaps she’ll be taken more seriously when she also does hatchets jobs on the three establishment parties for their contemptuous claims about localism when all three spend their time centralising or their perverse claims to support democracy when all three parties in reality support undemocratic solutions over democratic and treat democracy as a toy to abuse and to manipulate the electorate with for their personal party benefit.

    Frankly. I’m finding all this shock horror revelation by the stooges of the Westminster Freakshow all rather predictable, hypocritical and infantile. All it says to me is that UKIP is a political party (just like all the others)

    More importantly they are now scaring the establishment sufficiently to cause its stooges to start rattling cages.and to drive the Tories into panic stricken headless chicken mode…….

  • 700islands

    Isabel, you are either not very bright, or you are pulling our leg. I suspect that unlike UKIP the Spectator does vet all its writers, so we can cross off the possibility you are dim. So, you’re having a laugh. Though you are doing it with the right amount of false outrage that we all need to master to get ahead in politics these days. Its essential to be offended and you have done a great job here. Did the Party machine pull you aside and say, “look, Isabel, we’re in a fix. Write something, anything, bad about UKIP, and fast!”

    The reason your article is a joke is because at no time do you demonstrate that Godfrey Bloom says anything like what you claim he says. You say he believes businesses should not employ women of child bearing age, and then you go on to quote him, and what he unmistakably says is that he is of the view that new EU maternity laws make it more expensive for businesses to hire women of child bearing years and so act as a disincentive to hiring them. He is against the law, not women. Clearly he is worried that the law makes hiring women of this age so expensive as to become prohibitive. Now, you can argue over the economics of this. But you don’t. Instead we have this utter wet shower where you say he hates women. Daft.

    At no point does he say you should clean behind his fridge and make sandwiches for him. You just made that bit up. You invented it. He said he would hire you and instead of thinking that was because you are cleaver, or good at what you do, or because your circumstances make any issues that might arise out of maternity law moot, you decide that he only wants to hire you because he’s a misogynist. Oh, well done. Top marks for invented outrage. Call Oprah.

    If you’re going to peddle propaganda in these pages then you need to match its sophistication to your audience. If you’re going to criticise UKIP read their policies and then try and work out something cleaver.

  • alabenn

    I see the BBC job interview appeared to be going well, they will love the well twisted words you use to put a different slant on Blooms words, they will love the well loved old buffer impression you give of Clarke, even the bit where Farage dumped an old policy you failed to mention it was a previous leaders policy from years back, good omission.

    Where you failed to clinch the deal was you never really brought Kilroy Silk into the equation, you shared instead of shafting, bad mistake.

  • an ex-tory voter

    The theme on The Speecie this week appears to be “lets nail UKIP”. Oh why, oh why might that be?

    • http://twitter.com/LouMcCudden Louise McCudden

      Because they’re journalists and it’s their job to write about political parties and their candidates?

  • James

    It makes sense to help business and the economy grow which in turn means more woman can be employed. However, main political parties buy votes from different groups whether gender or religion at the expense of others so i’m sure the idea will be shot down.

  • anneallan

    Sorry, Isabel. Large corporations can afford to cover for absent mothers-to-be who will probably string out their maternity leave and decide at the last minute that they are not returning. SMEs cannot – so, however distasteful you may find Mr. Bloom’s comments, he is merely stating the truth.
    The road to unemployability is paved with good intentions.

  • http://www.facebook.com/toxteth.ogrady.54 Toxteth O’Grady

    He’s right though isn’t he?

  • andagain

    he reiterated his belief that businesses shouldn’t employ women of a childbearing age

    Reading those key lines, it would be more accurate to summarise them as saying that “the government imposes a penalty on businesses that employ women of childbearing age”.

    That is really a statement with very different implications.

  • Russell

    Have a read of the responses Isabel and you will get an indication of why UKIP are doing well in the polls. What Bloom said is absolutely correct in the view of most sane people, and many millions of others are sick of hearing about gay marriage, gay marches, discrimination against x, y, z……
    Clarke said that UKIP have no policies failing to mention the main two, OUT of EU policy and the clamp down on immigration policy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

    I recall this problem in Germany where a manager was working every weekend and late at night to sort out an inventory catastrophe. He was a real mess. His experienced PA had gone on maternity leave and now the temporary replacement was pregnant and going on maternity leave. He was getting heat from every direction to sort out the problem and his wife and family were frustrated too. The part-timers and temps enjoyed full benefits pro-rata and this poor guy was run ragged and on the verge because his assistants were churning at a rapid rate and this inventory disaster was cumulative.

    I can understand Godfrey Bloom’s unvarnished truth does not gel with the fantasists who do not have to sort out real messes in real time or face bankruptcy

  • Jonathan

    I run a small consultancy. I would not hire a young woman of child-bearing age, because if she goes on maternity leave, I have to a) pay her while she isn’t bringing money in and b) guarantee her a job when she gets back. It would be irresponsible of me to hire her, however good she is, but this would have a good chance of bankrupting the company.

    I sincerely don’t want to consider age, gender or anything but merit when hiring, but the fact is I feel I have to.

    • http://twitter.com/LouMcCudden Louise McCudden

      What if she’s gay or doesn’t want kids? We don’t all pop out kids the minute we hit “child bearing age”. (Which is what, by the way?)

      • emptyend

        Obviously its not a problem in your case….. :-0

    • StephanieJCW

      “I have to a) pay her while she isn’t bringing money in”

      No you don’t. You pay her statutory maternity pay which you claim as a credit against NI. Cost to you – zero. I’d hope you’d be open about your hiring policies, as I would rather not engage the services of firms such as your.

  • jazz606

    It’s a simple enough proposition.
    If you run a small business, are you going to employ someone who might at anytime take several months off on pay (“…not sure of the exact arrangement…..” have right of return, at which point you have to decide whether or not to fire the person who has been doing the job in the meantime ?

    I’m not talking about the rights or wrongs of this, simply the reality, which is what we all have to live with.

    • The Sage

      Yes, but thanks to Nick Clegg (I believe) maternity and paternity leave are transferable, so at our company we now have a male member of staff taking six months off while his wife goes back to work. Crazy. So you can’t win as a small business.
      It’s also unfair on the person coming in as short-term replacement because the employee on paternity/maternity can give six weeks’ notice and come back to work at any time.
      I also have a business friend who had all three of his female members of staff away at one time on maternity leave.

    • http://twitter.com/LouMcCudden Louise McCudden

      Anyone might do that. You could break your leg tomorrow. Child birth isn’t the only reason people need time off work.

      • jazz606

        Really ?

        I had no idea.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

        So let’s have statistics on absences from work by Public Sector vs Private Sector; by Gender; and by Age and Gender. What hypothesis shall we test ?

  • Swiss Bob

    As I know of small companies that have gone bust after employing young women, women who upon starting work have immediately got themselves pregnant I have to agree with Bloom. You’d have to be mad to employ women in a small company.

    There’s little point having maternity leave in small companies if they are driven to the wall by the costs, let alone the costs to the taxpayer when all the other employees find themselves on the dole. Of course large corporations love it as it is yet another hurdle small business have to climb to compete.

    And good luck with the smear campaign, we are all too stupid to work out that the Labour party is full of extremists, that the Tories have their fair share and that the LibDems are the party of perverts.

    • StephanieJCW

      Why would maternity leave cost? They claim it as a credit against employer’s NI amounts due.

      • Swiss Bob

        Link please.

  • Andy

    Isabel,

    How many people do you employ ? What experience do you have as an employer ????

    From what I can see Bloom was actually making a reasonable point.

    • http://twitter.com/LouMcCudden Louise McCudden

      I’m now quite interested in who YOU employ, and for whom… blimey

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

        You are now 7 years out of University of Kent and sound off wherever you can get someone to pay you for a rant. You fail to develop a coherent argument, engage in troll-like one-liners, and are not adding to discussions beyond telling us you are a lesbian. This must be a source of immense satisfaction to you but is frankly uninteresting to everyone else. You make no logical contribution and really should reflect on how stupid you appear

        • JamesdelaMare

          Without wishing to be uncharitable, and while I often disagree with your comments TomTom, you are right about the commenter L.McCudden. Her contributions are disappointing and seemingly valueless. There are too many of them, as well. Exactly the sort of person I wouldn’t want to employ – or have as a colleague in employment.

      • Andy

        How many people do YOU employ ?? Tell us all what experience you have of being an employer and of manufacturing. Being an ‘Accounts Manager’ and writing for that comic The Independent makes you knowledgable about bugger all.

  • youknowwhat

    He hasn’t offended me. He will continue to get my support my parent’s support and my husband’s support up here in North Yorkshire. I will continue to vote UKIP at every opportunity. The tory (desperate) party will never regain my vote.

    • HookesLaw

      This despite not knowing how statutory maternity pay works?
      Employers can claim it back from their employers NI contributions. Perhaps Ms Hardman should have been more clear and less cutting in her remarks?
      http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/spmmanual/spm21215.htm

      • youknowwhat

        My husband and parents do have their own businesses, both of which I take a role in and I have children and I do work.

        UKIP v Tory from a Mother’ view
        UKIP
        Grammar schools

        No tuition fees
        A future out of the small business crippling EU
        A chance of getting employment with a living wage by not importing cheap foreign labour
        A country that puts it’s own citizens at the front of the queue
        Tory
        A party that robs the vulnerable through green energy lunacy
        Destroyer of the countryside
        Ludicrous unworkable changes to school hours and holidays
        Business destroying red tape from Brussels
        Tuition fees which will result in my children leaving university with £50000 worth of debt each

        I could go on and on but I will spare everyone the level of my disgust with the patronising, robbing, lying excuse of a party the tories have become
        under the “why does nobody like me?” Cameron.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

          You are right, Hookes Law is simply a Cameron Stooge

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

        So the NHS reclaims STATUTORY Maternity Pay from HMRC that collects NIC from NHS Employers and Staff whose very Wages are paid by revenues raised by HMRC from the population at large ? Amazing – is this the Cicular Flow of Income ?

        Now, very few high paid medical staff, managers etc could live on Statutory Maternity Pay and have contractual terms somewhat better

  • nick

    Ensure the maternity and paternity leave entitlement for parents is of the same duration. Or as they do in the Nordics, allow the parents to share 12 months leave between them – gender discrimination problem solved.

    • HookesLaw

      its a funny world
      In the Czech Republic and Slovakia, it is standard that mothers stay at home for 3 years after a child’s birth, which may extend with additional children.
      In Sweden its 16 months.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

        They are both former Communist countries

    • http://mrfrostblog.wordpress.com/ Mr Frost

      Yes. But that’s only one side of the issue – notwithstanding that now the ‘discrimination’ will be between those of childbearing age and those who are not.

      The other side of the issue is who pays for it. A small business finds it very difficult to carry such costs, that is the real issue.

  • ArchiePonsonby

    I include you as a smearer, Miss Hardman!

  • glurk

    Its certainly true that we’re an expense to business if we work and an expense to our husbands, lovers and the state if we dont. Why dont we all just enter harems and have done with it. Then all you jolly fellows in UKIP and elsewhere wont have to keep deciding what to do with us and we can whisper piss off in your shell-likes …again.

    • HookesLaw

      Its a hard life being a chattel.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

        Really ? I do feel sorry for your other half

  • Jez

    The only mistake Bloom made, is to hand the people (such as yourself Isabel) some ammo that can be used at a critical time against the UKIP.

    .

    It’s sloppy. Both from the UKIP- and in it’s return by the those who’s careers depend on the Centre perpetually regurgitating the same policies over and over, no matter what. There are now (in the driving seats of communication within UKIP) people that could be in at the deep end- it’ll all be (maybe) happening very fast for these personalities. They won’t be used to the sheer venom in many quarters that’s now directed toward anything that is not of the mainstream political / media industry’s liking.
    .

    This may not last. More support, then more money (this is quite unique- if these are traditional Tory types who en-masse are now turning to the UKIP, they’ll have plentry of money). And if the breakthrough happens, then so would the streamlined PR machines, educated talent- with a long line of upwardly mobile younger end personalities (with zero baggage) wanting to join UKIP ranks. Maybe.

    .
    It is difficult to guage in the above peice whether you are attempting to shore up the minority of traditional Centre Left supporters on here and / or (like a lazer) cut down any crazy cats even contemplating not voting for Milliband, Clegg or Cameron / Osborne / Hague. This may have failed (in the latter)….. because (this is only an opinion) no one actually cares about Gay marraige, except for the media- and Cameron. For the majority of people that can be arsed having an opinion, then it just seems an excuse to tear down another traditional institution e.g. The C of E.

    .

    (Does this mean that gay marraiges will be compulsary in Mosques, Sikh Temples and Synagogues also….. i honestley didn’t realise these communities wanted this as much as us as well.)

    .

    If UKIP are so very blatantly anti female, or female rights, or feminist- or whatever, then it is up to persons from our media (as you have done) that are opposed to anyone that does not support the Lib Dems / Cameron / Labour to put their case forward. The argument, generalisations and (again, as an opinion only) pretty weak delivery above, isn’t possibly going to even come close to doing any damage to the UKIP’s momentum at this time.

    .

    It’ll all come good in the wash- if they’re ‘not all right’ then they’ll be found out. If UKIP are ‘ok’ and certain parts of our media, the far-lefties along with certain rather cynical sectors of the establishment pile into them ‘swinging’- then these antagonists of our free and fair political system will be seen for what they really are. For once.

  • monty61

    Pretty sure if you dug around and had conversations with a few Tory, Labour or Lib Dem council candidates you’d come up with some pretty loony views too. This kind of stitch-up is a panic measure by supporters of the status quo and people will see through it.

    I’m not a UKIP supporter BTW but I do recognise a set-up when I see one.

    • David Lindsay

      Let UKIP do so, then. I mean, I know that you are right. But does UKIP want to be in politics, or not?

      • Wessex Man

        Do the Tory Party want to be in politics or in the gutter where they have always been?

    • HookesLaw

      No one set anyone up to say WW2 ‘was engineered by the Zionist jews’, or to say racism was ‘just ethnic banter’ on Facebook (to be fair, looking at Scrotton on youtube this dumbo hardly looks fit to tie his own shoe laces).
      No one set up UKIP to accept BMP members as candidates.

      • http://mrfrostblog.wordpress.com/ Mr Frost

        Oops. UKIP’s constitution forbids ex BNP members from joining. If it is found that they were previously members, it is an immediate explusion from the party.

        Lib Dems’ John Larsen charged over a bombing campaign or the Lib Dem’s David Ward’s repeated anti-Jewish comments. We know the same cases from Labour and Tories. Point is Monty61 is right…

    • http://twitter.com/LouMcCudden Louise McCudden

      Yeah, and journalists do that all the time. It’s called a free press. It’s what is supposed to happen in a democracy.

      • monty61

        Agreed. At which point the discerning can decide to accept what the press spoon feeds them at face value, or look behind the message to see what’s really going on.

  • Daniel Maris

    Oh come on, Isabel. There are serious issues here and at least UKIP are not pretending there aren’t. Are you really saying that if you were an employer with four employees, all female, aged between 20 and 24, the thought of employing another woman in that age range wouldn’t cross your mind? Well if you are, then you are not credible.

    There is a debate here and it is whether the costs of this sort of social policy (that employers should ignore the facts of life) should be put on employers. I am all in favour of women in the workplace – I think it is generally for the good. But I don’t think the costs should fall to the employer. The state should bear the full costs of maternity leave.

    • telemachus

      But not in Osborne’s austerity Britain

      • Wessex Man

        you are abusy industrious little soul aren’t you, tell me did you listen to the show I did and yes this old bloke made a fool of himself, much the same way as the silly old bloke called Clarke did constantly referring to MPs as the ruling classes. Time for us plebs to storm the Westminster Village I’d say. I would have thought that Isabel Hardmen have told us that she had a starring rule on the show as well!

        • telemachus

          Yes and Isabel was the true star of the show
          Fraser and Isabel are taking over the airways and Coffee House is much qoted in the Dailies
          Which is why we should point out the reasonable

    • Hexhamgeezer

      I attended a meeting about 6 months ago hosted by an Employment Tribunal judge.

      He was quite honest and open about the fact that if you had to make, for e.g. 5 redundancies out of 10 in your firm and 5 of those employees were pregnant, you must sack the other 5. Even a mix would be no good. Otherwise you would lose in an ET

      • thanksdellingpole

        I’ve hear that writing a “no-pregnancy” clause into a contract is possible, is this in America or here too?

        I wonder how the BoHR would see that?

    • Smithersjones2013

      You really don’t think Dizzy Izzy is going to be serious do you? She is a product of the Westminster Freakshow with its dumbing down and corrupt adherence to a discredited orthodoxy even though it has been failing for two decades or more.

      One only has to note that she quotes that useless bloated beer sozzled tobacco dulled elitist Clarke. If ever there was a sewer dweller on the Tory benches it is the man who wrecked our criminal justice system (by implementing revolving door sentencing) and who created the culture of profligacy in government with his wreckless borrowing (he borrowed at a far faster rate than Brown).

      Not to mention of course that he made his fortune off the back of profits from distributing sources of cancer throughout the third world and is a senior Europhiliac who would happily sell this nation down the river to a corrupt, perverse, thieving anti-democratic oligarchy.

      Clarke is the poster boy of everything that is wrong with our arrogant elitist political classes. For Dizzy Izzy to quote him only shows what a naive puppet for the failed establishment she is.

      Of course the irony is that in getting on her feminist high horse she uses the words of a man (and in doing so validates his views) who thinks there are ‘different types of rape’. Priceless!

    • http://twitter.com/LouMcCudden Louise McCudden

      Yes this makes sense. Also, anyone who engages in extreme sports (much less useful than having babies) shouldn’t be hired as there’s a good chance they’ll get injured. And men are much more likely to develop depression. Or get testicular cancer. Oh and they die sooner too. Oh, come on, are you saying as an employer this has never crossed your mind? hahahaha

      • Vindice

        you don’t have to keep paying people after they die. Men have about a 0.3% chance of contracting testicular cancer over the course of an entire lifetime which is probably a little less than the odds of a female employee in her 30s getting repeatedly pregnant don’t you think? You’ll find that small businesses are often reluctant to hire men who regularly engage in extreme sports. I used to play a lot of rugby and this rightly didn’t endear me to some employers.

        Surely you can see that paying for employees who don’t work is crippling to small businesses? Having said that I would love to contract women but there aren’t many female software developers.

        Your post is ridiculous.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

          Not just her post

    • http://twitter.com/CelticAngloPres CelticAngloPress

      Practical Idealism
      (Praktischer Idealismus)
      The Racist and Supremacist Roots
      of the
      Ideology behind the European Union
      http://balder.org/judea/Richard-Coudenhove-Kalergi-Practical-Idealism-Vienna-1925.php

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz8pzG02oxU

  • David Lindsay

    Anarcho-capitalism has an infinitesimal following, actual or potential, in this country. That following is made up only of people at the odder end of the spectrum, to put matters at their very politest.

    But the Conservative Party no longer has the rather un-Friedmanite monopoly even on that. Another UKIP scandal, or at least embarrassment, now presents itself whichever political website one visits, and on each occasion that one visits any of them.

    There is no point crying about “smears”. This is called politics, and the UKIP lot wanted it.

    If they really would rather talk about policy, then they might like to talk about how, on this week’s Question Time, Nigel Farage gave up the flat tax, one of the very, very few policies that his party had. Yet again, Godfrey Bloom has taken to the airwaves to say that women of child-bearing age ought to be refused employment simply on that basis.

    There will be more. There is evermore, and more, and more, and more, and more.

    • Wessex Man

      Oh dear hers another and it’s dear David, as I remember it Farage said that it was in their 2010 manifesto under a different leader are you saying that no political party is allowed to have a different manifesto in different elections David? In that case call me Dave in the manure!

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  • jazz606

    Why are you castigating Bloom for pointing out what most of us know to be true ?

    • telemachus

      Your views have no place in modern Britain
      The worrying thing is the up arrows below your heinous post which might even be illegal
      Bloom goes beyond fruitcake waif and stray and leads to societal thought that women are goods and chattels

      • Colonel Mustard

        “Your views have no place in modern Britain”

        Really? What happened to that celebrated diversity? Oh, of course, nasty little unreasonable fascists like you get to determine what diversity is acceptable and what isn’t. The very basis of the wretched and bogus “political correctness” inflicted on us. Political? I didn’t vote for it.

        You think only you can represent “modern Britain”? You think people born here and living free should not have views which disagree with yours? Think again.

        Your comments disgust me.

        • Vindice

          It’s crude flamebait. I suspect telemachus is the creation of Spectator staff.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

            Good point

      • jazz606

        You’re mad.

      • Swiss Bob

        your heinous post

        Says the moron who lords mass murderer Stalin.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

        Actually Tel-Boy it is your rank intolerance that is out of place.

      • jazz606

        I like the first part of your post “….Your views have no place in modern Britain….”. It makes me feel kinda special. In fact I’m getting a lapel badge made up saying with the text My views have no place in a modern Britain”

        I shall wear it with pride.

      • anneallan

        I believe the Moslems have ideas about the role of women in society. Do those views have no place in modern Britain?

      • Smithersjones2013

        Your views have no place in modern Britain

        And who made you God?

  • Hexhamgeezer

    Isobel,

    No wonder people despise journalists

    Your… ‘including Bloom telling the show that he’d employ me because I’m a writer and can work from home (presumably in order to make sandwiches and clean behind the fridge properly).. is an excellent reason why.

    I listened to that piece live and there is absolutely no way that a reasonable balanced person would infer that he meant what you pretend to believe. Blooms comments were uncontroversial, balanced and nuanced. You know that but it does your career no good in LibLabCon land to admit so.

    Dreadful stuff but all part of the project.

    As someone once said ‘The only qualities essential for real success in journalism are rat-like cunning, a plausible manner, and a little literary ability’

    • Tim Toddles

      You don’t need cunning to see someone has overtly called you out, he said ‘Isobel’, it’s pretty clear.

    • HookesLaw

      Bloom has said before that women cannot even clean behind the fridge properly. Mind you on past form he was probably drunk when he said it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

        So what ? You say so much prattish stuff and you have your party officials checking your bilge

    • thanksdellingpole

      I bet she can’t clean behind the fridge properly either!

  • Wilhelm

    Of course we got to have women in the work place, we cant possibly have them staying at home and looking after their own children, can we ? What a preposterous idea !

    • Daniel Maris

      Sorry to inform you Wilhelm but we have moved on from the 1000 Year Reich idea of women for Church, Kitchen and Children.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

        Have we really ? You prefer to pay another woman to care for someone else’s children. That is what is truly bizarre introducing the Cash Nexus into every relationship. Do you pay your wife to bear the children, or simply to care for someone else’s children ? Is this a case of taking in each other’s washing ?

        • http://twitter.com/LouMcCudden Louise McCudden

          So women should not be working and they shouldn’t be supported either?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

            I thought you were a happy lesbian ? Have you introduced this incoherent question for a reason ? I fail to see how it has any relevance to what i wrote. Perhaps you could sit down and engage some logic ?

            • Wilhelm

              Women are not rational beings, it’s the PMS.

              en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premenstrual_syndrome

      • Wilhelm

        Maris

        So you would prefer women working in a ship yard, down a coal mine or in the army then ?

        • Tim Reed

          I would. I’d like quotas aswell.
          Come on Harriet, where’s your normal zeal for ‘equality’ ?

          • Noa

            we still have ship yards? And coal mines?

      • Noa

        The demographics say that, as women are no longer in the nursery and kitchen, we need to replace ourselves with fast breeding multi-cultural mohammedans and other diversely enriching folk.

    • http://twitter.com/LouMcCudden Louise McCudden

      Not all women have, or want, children.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

        You repeat yourself. you are a lesbian who does not want children. i read that earlier. i noticed you and you are insistent that this be stated. it is.

    • StephanieJCW

      Leave the Victorian era behind.

      Women removed the chains that linked their ankles to the kitchen sink a long time ago.

      Financial independence is something a large number of us enjoy having.

  • MikeF

    “The party claims to be libertarian, but also opposes gay marriage,” but supports civil partnerships. So where is the contradiction unless you believe that on this issue only one viewpoint is permissible – which wouldn’t be very libertarian. The bottom line in all this is that a political establishment – journalists as well as politicians – is running scared of an upstart newcomer that opposes a current consensus after realising that its previous policy of mockery has not had the effect it hoped. By the way hasn’t a LibDem councillor been accused of setting off explosions recently – that seems a lot more reprehensible than anything any UKIP candidate has done.

  • Framer

    Why else do we turn out 7,000 medical graduates p.a., over half of them women, and then import 6,000 foreign doctors a year yet the government and GMC insist we graduate enough for the job vacancies?

    • telemachus

      As Professor Jane Dacre said
      Medicine needs and wants to attract the best and brightest people… Some patients prefer to see the same (gender) doctor as themselves—so we should ideally have equal numbers of men and women.

      As the first female dean of Duke University School of Medicine said incredulously, after her appointment had made the headlines on national public radio, “Brilliance and ability are not restricted to certain groups, so it seems logical that if they draw from the widest possible talent pool, the very best institutions will naturally have diversity at all levels

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

        Flowers Report pushed for more women so now 70% medical students are female and work part-time. There are very few male GPs <45 years old

  • HookesLaw

    Bloome is of course a hypocrite since by his own admission he visited brothels in Hong Kong. Presumably the ladies he sat down and paid to share a cup of tea with on those occasions (where he no doubt regaled them with his advice on cleaning behind the fridge) were of child bearing age. If not then one way or another he had strange tastes.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

      Don’t you insist on cleaning behind the fridge in brothels Hookes Law ? What kind of a slob are you ? No decent male would visit a dirty brothel, or do you have a fetish for dirty needles too ?

    • Hexhamgeezer

      Maybe the ladies weren’t of child bearing age?

      • http://twitter.com/LouMcCudden Louise McCudden

        So they’re not between what ages exactly… ?

  • HookesLaw

    Fruit loops and loony tunes.
    Women between the ages of say 14 and 44 should shut up an know their place. So should the blacks and homos of course. How refreshingly old fashioned.

    The so called smears were merely words straight out of UKIP candidates and officials mouths. Read em and weep.

    How old was Mrs Thatcher when she became a tory MP? Bloom would never have given her a job, mind you he would have had trouble thinking straight because of all the steam coming out of his ears.

  • racyrich

    ‘never dream of questioning the role of women in the workplace’

    But they’re not in the workplace when they’re on maternity leave. They’re a cost, a cost that many SMEs can’t afford. Libertarians believe in personal responsibility, not in having lifestyles subsidised, whether by the state or employers.

    • HookesLaw

      Try running the NHS without women you thick dope.

      What a bunch of @rses you all are.

      Roll up roll up and see the great troupe of rampant bigots. I do not know if UKIPers are a bunch of clowns or not (thats a polite word for some of them) but they are certainly running a 3 ring circus.

      • racyrich

        Errmm, as opposed to running it (or anything else) with women on leave?

        I can’t see anything radical about suggesting people actually work for their pay.

        • HookesLaw

          You are thick. Where are all the men going to come from to run the NHS if you don’t employ women of child bearing age. Romania?

          But thanks for adding mysogeny to the growing list of UKIPers prejudices. it is increasingly surprising that your head does not explode.

          • youknowwhat

            Romanians do have children as well

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

            Spell misogyny properly you idiot – learn some Greek. Where were you “educated” ? The NHS is bloated because it lets women use doctors as a free resource. look at GP waiting rooms and think how a £10 charge would free up slots as women started to read books and not use doctors as someone to chat to. The preponderance of women in the NHS has made it a social centre around nursing stations with poor discipline. It is Hookes law that is “thick” and functionally illiterate as well as being a total bigot

          • youknowwhat

            You just don’t get it do you? I will try and help you. Insulting people will not work. You need the UKIP vote and it is eating you up.You need to realise UKIPers are in a happy place with honesty and hope and with a leader they believe in. You think that dragging up a dozen old comments will make the Tories look more likeable. It is as pointless as me wishing my friends would get fatter to make me look thinner.

        • http://twitter.com/LouMcCudden Louise McCudden

          Women are not pregnant 100% of the time. And some women never get pregnant. Lots of us don’t have, or want kids. And lots of us have relationships with other women.

          Do you actually know any women!?

          • Vindice

            It is illegal to ask a woman if she intends to have children at a job interview. It is legal to ask someone if they’re in the Territorial Army. Most women do have children. I know women that are reluctant to hire women for that very reason. Why do you believe that someone has to be absent 100% of the time to cause real problems to a company? There is no misogyny in this observation.

          • http://twitter.com/VisceralRage Slicer

            Do you understand that women have created a massive burden on small businesses that is damaging and restrictive?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

        The NHS is run FOR women. Women cost most of the budget whether as Employees, Patients – at every age group but significantly as they age. Men are rarely involved with doctors. The NHS is a giant employment agency for women to treat women and manage women to recruit women.

        • http://twitter.com/VisceralRage Slicer

          Yes, you are correct. 77% of NHS staff are women and for every £1 spent on men’s health, £8 is spent on women’s health, despite the fact men pay 72% of taxes.

          • http://twitter.com/thetartandevil Lauren Aitchison

            I’m sure women would find it much easier to pay taxes if they are unable to work due to being of child-bearing age…

          • StephanieJCW

            Nonsense. Besides, make up your mind.

            You berate women for not paying a greater share of taxes…and then berate them for going out to work.

      • allymax bruce

        I agree; where else would you find a horrendously over-proscribed 80% female, to 20% male, emlpoyee base?
        Oh-wait, there’s also the Public Sector, where 75% are female, and 25% are male.
        I made the argument earlier about how mothers always get custody of a divorced family’s children; so where is all this mythical ‘subordination’ of women then???

        • StephanieJCW

          Women don’t get custody. The primary carer does. Who is the primary carer remind me (in the vast majority of cases.)

    • telemachus

      Sorry chum
      Life has moved on
      They have also closed most workhouses

      • Hexhamgeezer

        Aye, not big enough for the Gulag of your dreams.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

        Workhouses are the basis of many hospitals especially St James in Leeds

      • Smithersjones2013

        Yeah we stop Brown bringing them back. Remember his ‘Gulags for Slags’ wheeze?

    • StephanieJCW

      They’re not a cost on maternity leave. Look up how statutory maternity leave works.

  • JamesdelaMare

    When, over a long period of time, a society or a nation uses technology to reduce the need for labour and at the same time it reduces the available jobs for such reasons as it costs much less to have work done elsewhere, or there are not so many health and safety obstructions, then it is absurd to add additional workers to the labour force at home.

    Here we have added females and immigrants by the hundreds of thousands since 1945. A population only needs so much (food, clothing, housing and some services) to live comfortably and happily. Business has to sell what it makes or provides, and there isn’t enough money to buy it all and pay an increasing workforce. So it’s entirely reasonable to expect employers to be selective over whom they employ.

    If a woman is of chlid bearing age and has two, three or four, and the responsibilities of a home, then she might easily and sensibly seem less suitable for employment than somebody else – whether or not UKIP agree with that. The astonishing thing about that issue is why so many people are so unwilling to be honest about it, as they know very well that it worked that way for generations. Since it hasn’t worked that way we’ve found our way into a financial crisis of debt and declining employment, all of which is stressful and damaging to our society.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

      Immigration has always been an Incomes Policy to offset Over-Full Employment, it is why the Churchill Government encouraged it after-1951

    • http://twitter.com/LouMcCudden Louise McCudden

      Of course employers are rightly selective over who they employ. But not hiring someone on the basis of gender isn’t being “selective” in any intelligent way. It’s discriminating based on something which is not actually relevant. A woman of child bearing age is not necessarily going to have kids. And fact given that “child bearing age” covers quite a big chunk of our lives most women who fall into that bracket are not pregnant and not going to be any time soon.You might as well be “selective” on the basis of hair colour or shoe size.

      • monty61

        The statistics suggest that approx four out of every five women in the UK will have kids at some stage. Of course the underclass breeds more than the population of working women. But let’s say the proportion is somwhere like 2 in 3. That’s still a quite high probability that a woman of child-bearing age will have kids. (Lesbians too, incidentally, as I’m sure you are aware).

        Place I work is male dominated (probably 80%). We try very hard to employ women, not least because they are often very capable, and diversity in and of itself is a good thing. By not having more women we ARE missing out, no question. The trouble is, the last four (our of four) women we employed all vanished off to have kids within three years. Only one (incredibly capable one) came back to work after pregnancy, and that part time, so she is far less useful in the workplace than she used to be.

        Working for a big corporate, we can (and should) swallow those considerable recruitment, training, materinity and productivity costs relating to women having babies. For a small business though, these costs can be a killer. Not to acknowledge that this is a genuine difficulty is to be utterly disingenuous.

        If I was hiring in a 12 person company and not a 12,000 person one I would certainly think twice about hiring a woman in the 25-40 bracket, not out of misogyny but out of self-preservation.

        • StephanieJCW

          (our of four) women we employed all vanished off to have kids within three years.

          People leaving jobs they have worked in for three years and less is incredibly common. Why does it matter if they leave to have children as opposed to go travelling/study/find another job? And obviously the company thought she would be just as useful part-time. Or they would have rejected her request.

      • StephanieJCW

        Quite. Childbearing age (counting for school leavers) is really anywhere from 18 – 42 or thereabouts!

    • StephanieJCW

      “If a woman is of chlid bearing age and has two, three or four, and the responsibilities of a home, then she might easily and sensibly seem less suitable for employment than somebody else”

      Why would she be less suitable than a men with children and responsibilities at home?

      And what is your solution? Force women back into the kitchen?

  • nationalexistance

    How many tory women in the coalition cabinet?

    • Tim Toddles

      At least Tory MP’s don’t have the gall to shamelessly make the same lap dancing jokes every campaign.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

      You must define “Tory” because that could exclude Theresa May

  • Jennywren

    I am a woman and I have been campaigning hard for the Conservatives over the past three weeks. I find most UKIP supporters to be gentlemen over 60 who are clearly misogynist, very angry,and who have a very questionable attitude to people from other countries. This article does not suprise me one bit.

    • HookesLaw

      The surprise is that people have not dared to talk about it.
      Add to this the point that their very central core is a big lie and you get a worthless party.

      • Hexhamgeezer

        as the song says “Keep on believin'”

        • HookesLaw

          Thats your slogan – believe in your own prejudice.

          What we can all believe is that Coffeehouse has become a repository for brain dead right wing nutjobs. We can see you have crossed the Rubicon of insanity when you refuse to face the facts. The fact we see is Farage shaking hands with racists and antisemites.
          You have gone off into your own little twilight world and good old Coffeehouse is a nice cosy place where you can all chatter to each other.

          • Hexhamgeezer

            It gets a bit boring having to repeat stuff but the only sane response to the frightened constrained little cabal you so love is, to vote for anyone (and I mean anyone) but LibLabCon. For me its UKIP – I want a vote on Europe, a proper vote note some weasel formulation that dave and his ‘colleagues’ in Brussels will cook up in some back room. Otherwise reject them. Spoil your vote. Anything but acquiesce to the shyte your Westmister Bubblarians dish up as responses to our current situation(s).

            You call that being a ‘nutjob’. I call it a mature response to the crud your Euroloons are tipping on us each and everyday.

          • Wessex Man

            erm er Bloom is jewish.

            • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

              Not an Approved-Jew on the Hookes Law Index however.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

            Anti-Semites ? Must one be a Philo-Semite ?

    • Hexhamgeezer

      Oooh ‘angry? thats BAD isn’t it? Here’ a good slogan for your campaign. “If you’re not angry vote Conservative (or Labour, or Liberal)”

      • Daniel Maris

        LOL Very funny!

        I think in a situation where we are heading for a population of 70 million in 14 years’ time (with all that means) [and that’s official, not me] – why shouldn’t people have the right to be angry? Is angry now an illegal emotion in relation to politics?

        • Tim Reed

          …coming soon. Don’t give them ideas!

          First ‘hate speech’… then ‘anger speech’.

        • Hexhamgeezer

          ‘Anger’ of the (EU defined) wrong sort will be designated ‘inappropriate behaviour’ or ‘views likely to develop into….’. Most likely to get you put on remand or bailed for many months or years as per Emma West. ‘Anger’, as demonstrated by UAF bottles and stones will be met with sad resigned shrugs and understanding.

      • Smithersjones2013

        Doesn’t it just show how contemptuous the Tories are for voters when they dismiss people who disagree with them just for being ‘angry’? They are not interested in why those people are angry or whether they have valid reasons for being angry. No they just dismiss them.

        Arrogant, Intolerrant, Remote, Callous Uncaring Uncompassionate, Out Of Touch. It doesn’t matter what the Tories do they can’t help but demonstrate the repugnant face of the nasty party…….

    • Vindice

      I too am not at all surprised by this article. The smeer campaign is entirely predictable. A total lack of empathy towards small businesses equally expected from bien pensant journos such as Isabel.

      • StephanieJCW

        How about some empathy towards those people who procreate. Something that we actually need people to do?

        It should not be a hardship to any well organised small business.

    • Vindice

      The attitude of the Conservative Party towards the people of this country is what is questionable. Why must unprecedented levels of immigration be imposed on a country that wants no such thing? Why should the native population be stigmatised for its reluctance to acquiesce?

      Suppose an immigrant group makes up 10% of the population. Suppose it has a birth rate of 3.5 children per woman. Suppose the other 90% of the population has a birth rate of 1.8 children per woman. Then by the third generation, there are as many babies born to the previously minority group as there are to the previously majority group.

      Perhaps this is fine. Perhaps this is a beautiful dream. Perhaps this is the only way we can fund our pensions. But regardless, the effect of such a policy is the total transformation of the country. People who are utterly opposed to such a transformation can’t really be labelled degenerate for their reservations can they?

      At the very least, we need our politicians to be honest about the transformation that is underway.

      • bengeo

        By the third generation, no one is able to remember what has been transformed, so no one will care. Why worry?

        • Vindice

          Can you support that assertion with evidence of similar experiences of other countries?

          • http://twitter.com/LouMcCudden Louise McCudden

            America? They seem to be doing pretty well.

            • Brimstone52

              Apart from the few remaining native tribes, all Americans are immigrants.

              Race replacement of native Europeans by Asians and Africans is what Europeans have already done to North, Central and South America. The difference is that it is being inflicted on them in their native lands by their own “leaders”.

            • StephanieJCW

              And Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Barbados…

        • alabenn

          The Serbs remembered 600 years.

      • ArchiePonsonby

        Those interested might want to scoot over to the Telegraph and witness the aggro administered by readers to the would-be LibLabCon stooges and smearers in the comments section – latest stooge one B. Johnson, Esq.!

        • allymax bruce

          Is that, (B. Johnson), the cretin that was on Sunday Politics Scotland?
          Why do BBC put on eejits like Johnson, to talk about Scotland, when he knows absolutely nothing about Scotland???
          Seems to me, we are being pummelled by semetic indoctrination; Mz Hardman et al !
          I made a comment earlier about Marxist Feminists like her, and the Facebook semetic Marxist Feminist on Andrew Marr’s show on Sunday Morning, and Mz Hardman took-down my comment !
          The Jewish controlled MSM in the West luv to criticise everyone else, but they don’t like criticism about themselves !!!

          • http://twitter.com/LouMcCudden Louise McCudden

            Well that’s a nice bit of insight into at least one UKIP voter. Do you think UKIP represent these views out of interest? Have they said anything about Europe representing Zionists, for example?

            • Vindice

              .

            • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

              Lesbianism and Zionism. You do have a jumbled collection of hobbies

            • allymax bruce

              Louise, you must wake up! You are being conned!
              You need to watch the Keiser Report; and definately NOT watch the MSM t.v., nor read their newspapers; it’s all a distraction.
              The most simplistic way of understanding what’s going on just now is to look at the facts;
              (1),banking crisis; but bankers are now more rich than they’ve ever been.
              (2),mass majority (98.7%), of ‘British’ society don’t want same-sex marriage, but every political party are trying to Impose s-sm on us, even though not one political party had it in their manifesto.
              (3),wages haven’t risen in 10 years, but the gap between rich & poor is now it’s widest.
              All thes epolicies are meant to fragment us, divide us, and disenfranchise us; that’s exactly how WW2 started; and what you’ve been told, is not the truth. If you are a Christian, you will know that Jesus said, be in the world, but not of it. Why? Because what you are being fed, by the MSM, is all a complete and utter lie; the absolute reverse of everything they tell you!

              Louise, these are all Marxist ‘credentials’; and who are the Marxists? Those that are Imposing these policies/effects on us; the Zionist Jews. The same peoplel that are the ‘Troike’, the IMF, the ECB, BoE, US Treasury, all financial traders like Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Rotheschilds, etc, all these people are all Zionist Jews, that tell all our governments/political party’s what legislation they want Imposed on us. And, the EU is the worst of them all.

              Louise, you need to wake up, and smell the coffee!
              Sincerely, allymax.

      • JamesdelaMare

        Vindice – There’s another point on this. Those sectors of society whose family culture is to breed more prolifically are less likely to be capable of taking the higher skilled and time-consuming work which pays well enough to maintain them. Mrs Wren won’t like that, but it’s valid nonetheless.

      • http://twitter.com/LouMcCudden Louise McCudden

        “Suppose an immigrant group…” is any of this happening? Do you have evidence? If not it would be weird for politicians to warn about it just in case it happens.

    • Wessex Man

      Really? the prospective UKIP candidate for the area I live in is a woman, is your Tory in your area?

      • HookesLaw

        As Bloom says you can be a candidate from your own home. its not a proper job anyway.

        • Wessex Man

          So it’s not a proper job, why are we paying MPs so much in job thats not proper, Hooky?

      • Smithersjones2013

        Indeed and my candidate is also a woman. The Tories are clearly panicked with all these last minute smears….

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

      Good for you. Conservatives are not exactly flavour of the month in most of Northern England having some peculiar views at variance with most people’s every day lives. Then again you have NO idea about UKIP supporters as they vote in a secret ballot

    • Smithersjones2013

      And how do you find Ken Clarke who informed the world that there were ‘different types of rape’?

      Its not just UKIP that has its problems with its older members…..

  • http://twitter.com/VisceralRage Slicer

    The “fruitcakes” are feminists who have continually lobbied for government interference in private business to make women’s lives easier. Godfrey Bloom is correct in his viewpoint.

    • allymax bruce

      Even though I agree with this argument, it is restrictive and superficial; ”reductionist is probably the best philosophical description.
      It does nothing for the debate, but casts out a shadow of correct emphasis, through a slim veneer of reductionsism.
      I wish we could get past the elitist womens argument, of glass celing; haven’t they noticed the masses of society are in dire poverty!

    • http://twitter.com/LouMcCudden Louise McCudden

      Yes lobbying to make people’s lives better, how awful!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004981542519 Tom Tom

        You are becoming a troll

      • http://twitter.com/VisceralRage Slicer

        No, lobbying to make women’s lives easier at the expense of men’s businesses. Lose your feminist ignorance.

        • StephanieJCW

          Parent’s lives at the ‘expense’ of business owners (male and female.)

          Which is a nonsense really. Plenty of small businesses happily employ women of childbearing age.

    • StephanieJCW

      Women’s lives? You mean parents lives.

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