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Trenton Oldfield: why I disrupted the Boat Race, and what it achieved

31 March 2013

1:46 PM

31 March 2013

1:46 PM

Trenton Oldfield has written in this week’s Spectator that he won’t be attending today’s Boat Race but just in case, we learn today that Royal Marine Commandoes will be patrolling the Thames with thermal imaging equipment to look out for copycat stunt artists. Whatever it cost to imprison Oldfield will be as nothing compared to the cost of discouraging his epigones – real, or imagined.

Having made such an impact, what does Oldfield think now? In this week’s View from 22 podcast, he has what we can fairly call a sparky debate with Douglas Murray, a contributing editor for the Spectator. It’s not for the faint-hearted. Here’s an extract:-

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You can listen to the whole thing below, at 11:40. Oldfield says he’s ‘surprised that more people’ don’t protest as he did:

Oldfield: “It’s about a culture. If you stick you head up, like I did, it gets chopped.”

Murray: “The system, including the British police, worked hard to make sure that your head, which you put under the chopping direction, did not get chopped. You were saved by British authorities. Including people who you would think of as elitist.”

Here’s the latest View From 22 podcast, which is downloaded well in excess of 100,000 times. It’s presented by its creator, Sebastian Payne.

Listen to Trenton Oldfield debating with Douglas Murray on the politics of protesting (at 14:40)

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  • http://protectyourself.cc/ Peter Nunn

    Ah well now he is facing deportation he might change his mind. Does not look like he was expecting it, myself I think it is criminal. People with an ounce of courage should step up against the Fair enough for making an anti fan Trenton site, would be interested to know what you think about the Trenton Oldfield Deportation. Can we honestly say its right to deport him? who in government has orchestrated this? My opinion is that morally and legally, deporting him is so very wrong.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    The Jewish Spectator (I’ll believe in miracles the day you criticise Israel)
    The Catholic Daily Telegraph
    The Feminist Guardian
    The UK MSM: Everyone with an axe to grind.
    The Spectator? Oh you mean that
    weekly psuedo-intellectual rag with the mad blogger who accuses everyone he
    disagrees of being a foreigner? Like that even matters.

  • adel veysi

    “Dumb”, disrupted my life, how low do you let it go?

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    This comment is awaiting moderation. Show comment.

    Just thought I’d save you the trouble, Spec.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Spectator, if patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel, it’s has to be the first refuge of the raving lunatic. The reason you permit one particular deranged contributor to tell me again and again that I’m Japanese, is because his opinion can be construed as being patriotic. Nationalist, xenophobic, racist, bigoted and Fascist, sure, but those negative qualities seem to be irrelevant to a not so high-principled Spectator.
    But why Japanese rather than say Chinese or Korean, or even from a small planet the other side of Betelgeuse? Because to the truly narrow minded you can’t be British if you permanently reside overseas of your own volition. So the deranged xenophobe assigns you the nationality of the country in which you reside. The rest of the argument goes something like this:
    You can’t be British if you speak another language
    Have books in foreign
    Don’t have a British spouse
    Don’t go to church regularly
    Don’t support a football team
    Don’t eat British food
    And my own particular favourite, you can’t be British if you don’t make at least one spelling or typing error per sentence.
    Do you subscribe to these views, Spectator? Because it’s starting to look as if you do.
    Jack, Japan Alps
    British, but open to offers

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    My submission taking the Spectator to task seems to have vanished. How fortunate I made a copy.
    Spectator, when you delete a comment you deprive other readers of the opportunity to be exposed to an alternative opinion, which may contain a grain of truth. So it’s not just the heretic that warrants special protection, the rights of others to read this opinion
    should not be infringed.
    As Journalists I assumed you would realise this, but it seems you have some way to go before reaching enlightenment.

  • FentonFentonFenton

    Trenton is not British he is a foreigner so if he doesn’t like our country he can skip off gaily back to the place he came from.

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      Love it or leave it. Turn that around and you have hate it and leave it.
      Jack, Japan Alps
      British, but open to offers

      • Guest

        Illiterate!

        • Jackthesmilingblack

          Still blogging at 01.00. Jock? Assuming you’re on GMT.
          Not a sniff of the home comforts I venture to suggest.

          • Guest

            You are still an illiterate. Better concentrate on the grammar rather than using so many fancy words!

            • Jackthesmilingblack

              Don’t be an ignoramus all your life, Jock. Take a day off, and make it today.

              • Guest

                “And make it today”! More American marketing speak! Can you actually speak English like a normal person? Probably not, I suspect. Can you only do comprehension (reading and listening) and composition (writing)?

                • Jackthesmilingblack

                  So what do you have against Americans. Jock?
                  Hard to believe you’re really Scottish. Scots are usually so logical and unemotional. Welsh, sure.

  • simon1970

    In many ways, this confused and deluded man has won – he has been given a platform to peddle his delusion and confusion. Now some may argue that by giving his views an airing, he is exposed to the bright lights of the media and his position will be undermined as a result.

    However, in his mind, he has got his message out there and that is all that matters to him.

    Personally I would have ignored him and not allowed him any further oxygen (of publicity… of course)

  • HJ777

    Well, Trenton, it didn’t achieve anything and you are clearly a very confused individual who seems to be totally confused about what you want to achieve.

  • anotherjoeblogs

    a narcissist – one of these types who believe that they are the centre of everything and they can make massive change by a daft selfish action. a lefty king canute with a jesus christ complex. me ! me ! me ! he has such a low opinion of the hoi polloi and feels threatened by those he perceives as ‘ above ‘ him. as always douglas is sound, rational and RIGHT.

    • FrankS

      Poor old Canute got his feet wet in order to prove that he could not hold back the tide – an often misunderstood display of modesty.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    All my comment seem to get the same “Your comment is awaiting moderation. See your comment.” treatment. Punishing the whistle blower are we, Spectator? Or is “*ussy” a banned word even when intended to indicate cat?

  • sarah_13

    Why ON EARTH is this man given ANY airtime! What a waste of space. Can he just go and join Assange in the Ecuadorean embassy and leave us “oppressed” Brits in peace to enjoy the boat race. What a pointless individual.

    • http://twitter.com/Greenslime3 Andrew Taylor

      I have just listened to ‘The View from 22’. This man is clearly deeply insane. What on earth is the Spectator doing giving him a platform? “The ballot box might have a place in some circumstances”. His basic stance seems to be, ‘only my way is right’. Anyone who disagrees with him is wrong and, fingers in ears, lalalalala….. Unbelievable!!

      Can someone point out to him that one of the reasons that so many of the people he sees whilst riding his bike around Tower Hamlets are living in poverty is the ghetto nature of those people. I know that on the odd occasion when I walk through the Borough, I do not feel very safe. Failure to integrate, failure to learn English, refusal to allow females to go to work and large families (not everyone, obviously) are hardly conducive to a wealthy and prosperous existence. This is a place where voter fraud is endemic, dead people vote, old people don’t know they vote but they apparently do and families (women and young adults) have their votes decided for them by the head of the household. Sounds like a perfect place for delicate Trenton to perfect his brave new world!

  • Fergus Pickering

    I wish he’d done it this year. He’d have died of the cold. He is one of the many people in this country we would be better without. I think a punch in themouth is called for hee.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Spec, I asked who was eligible to comment on these pages and far from responding, you deleted my comment. That really is despicable. So who is eligible? What’s your criteria? I would have thought adequate writing skills would have been the only requirement.

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    Spectator; there’s a fundamental issue here: Who are eligible to comment on this website? Is comment restricted to British only, or can anyone with the necessary writing skills participate? This is a freedom of speech issue, so let’s be hearing from you Spectator. One particular contributor to these pages has stated that, “As I’m Japanese and not British, I have no right to contribute to these debates”. Obviously untrue, but even if it were, what difference should it possibly make? This person also somewhat dated views regarding racial and blood purity.
    So how about a bit of support, guys. “I may disagree with what you say, but …” How did that go again?

  • Guest

    “Jackthesmilingblack” = Trenton Oldfield.

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.”
      We have Joseph Goebbels to thank for that pearl of wisdom. A person with whom you would have a lot in common, Jock. Except of course Joseph Goebbels was sane.

      • Guest

        Goebbels was sane? Am I reading this right?

        • Jackthesmilingblack

          Compared to you he was.

        • Jackthesmilingblack

          Retort deleted by Spec. That guardian of free speech and non-censorship.

  • MikeF

    “If you stick you head up, like I did, it gets chopped.”

    What utter self-absorbed, self-justifying drivel. The man genuinely cannot see that his act was nothing more than preening, self-regarding exhibitionism that ‘achieved’ nothing except annoyance for lots of other people who wanted to enjoy a sporting event. But then people like him cannot see that because they are driven by a sense of entitlement – an entitlement to attention which they draw to themselves by gestures and ‘acts’, which ultimately amount to nothing more than tantrums, because they are incapable of argument and know that if they try to enter into one they will be shown up for what they are. As always Oscar Wilde got it right. Remember the words he gave to Lady Bracknell: ‘Arguments are always vulgar and often convincing.’

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dominic-Adler/100002463560297 Dominic Adler

    Wouldn’t Mister Oldfield be best ignored? Why the Speccie’s recent obsession with him?

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      The Spectator likes to keep the nutters around for laughs. Like that mental defective that keeps telling me I’m Japanese. But recently he tells me I’m Trenton Oldfield. Is this an improvement? Or has his medication been changed?
      So watch your spelling and typing errors, guys. Or jock will construe this as proof positive that you’re not British. Shock, horror. And as you know, only Brits are eligible to comment on these pages.
      “this comment is awaiting moderation”
      Just thought d save you the effort, Speckie.

  • Framer

    Is he one of those talented ‘migrants’ Boris and Dave are so insisting we need?

    • rodliddle

      whatever you think of the bloke, it was an excellent diary – funny and, I thought, self-deprecating.

      • Fergus Pickering

        It didn’t raise a laugh hereabouts. You are easily amused, Rod, but to be fair, you are quite often funny, though never to be taken seriously.

      • sarah_13

        Self-deprecating?!! Well, and I hesitate to paraphrase such a great man in reference to such a waste of space, he has much to be modest about!

  • http://twitter.com/MisterQuintus Tony Quintus

    A: Because you are a tw*t.
    B: Absolutely nothing.

  • splotchy

    What a pointless and selfish narcissist Oldfield is and how risible his ‘justification’ is for spoiling the pleasure of so many. One can sum it up by pointing and laughing and saying “What a t*t!”

  • zszszsz szszszsz

    the problem with Trenton Oldfield in that interview (and in that blog he wrote last year to explain his actions) is that he never clearly defines his terms. He keeps using words like “elitist” or “criminal class” without clearly explaining what they mean or who prissily they refer to and why

    • http://twitter.com/MisterQuintus Tony Quintus

      That is becacuse as soon as he gives specifics people would be able to debunk his position, the more general his statements are the more he protects himself from debate. It is the same tactic being used by the two Eds over their fiscal policy, trying to make the right noises, but without giving anything for the coalition to tear apart.

      • zszszsz szszszsz

        politicians in general specialize in saying a lot without saying anything in interviews

        • http://twitter.com/MisterQuintus Tony Quintus

          I know, and it pisses me off to no end.

          • zszszsz szszszsz

            I’m saying I don’t think it’s a problem with the left in particular or that Trenton’s ideology is wrong (although in the absence of him clearly explaining it I can only assume that it is)

  • Jackthesmilingblack

    “Jolly boating weather, And a hay harvest breeze,
    Blade on the feather,
    Shade off the trees,
    Swing swing together,
    With your bodies between your knees,
    Swing swing together,
    With your bodies between your knees.”

    • In2minds

      Don’t, you will encourage them

      • Guest

        The wrong boat race, in any case.

    • Colonel Mustard

      Lovely song, redolent of a decent, gentler England before leftist revisionism destroyed our past and leftist ideology and political correctness chained our present, before faux outrage and sentimentality replaced real compassion, before sulking bottom lip replaced stiff upper lip and before our constitution, liberty and culture was threatened by Europeans bearing gifts and their home grown quislings.

      • Jackthesmilingblack

        Different strokes for different folks, I venture to suggest.

        • Guest

          Ghastly Americanism! Back in those old golden days, when Englishmen and decent chaps in North America alike both spoke and wrote like Englishmen, not the other way round !

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Flash to 21st century reality, Rip Van Winkle.

            • Guest

              One ghastly Americanism followed by another!

          • Guest

            O! Ah, those [goode] olde golden dayes!

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            So you hate Americans. Common ground there.

  • Mycroft

    Why give this selfish idiot the publicity that he was seeking? I prefer not to recognize his existence.

  • PlumedHat

    What a disgrace and dishonour that the Spectator gave space to Oldfield.

  • Robert Taggart

    Trenton – should be dropped in the Trent.. !

    • Latimer Alder

      Control of Pollutants Act probably makes this an offence.

  • Latimer Alder

    What did it achieve?

    Confirmed the suspicion that Oldfield is a spoilt little wanker.

  • Martin

    I just don’t understand why this person is at liberty….should be rotting in a prison camp somewhere (hard labour….that’s not elitist!). mmm… nice he can afford a holiday in the Cotswolds….should have been fined heavily.

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      Would you feel more at home with Guido?

      • Guest

        Weirdo.

        • Jackthesmilingblack

          Don’t be so hard on yourself, Jock. You most likely had a really unhappy childhood, right?

          • Guest

            So sayeth Trenton Oldfield.

            • Jackthesmilingblack

              When you upset an all emotion, no logic Brits, they come back with the most idiotic nonsense.

  • FrankS

    What a preening egotist. Apart from the futility of protesting against an abstract idea, Oldfield’s definition of elite is revealing: “Elites – people who think they are better than others”.
    I guess he doesn’t do self knowledge.

    • telemachus

      Do you ever ask yourself whether he might have a point when elitist Cameron heads a Government that just yesterday made the most draconian attack on the welfare of the poor and needy since Attlee introduced some fairness into our society?

      • HJ777

        Perhaps you’d like to provide the figures on what has happened to the welfare budget over the last decade, so that we can see the extent of these ‘draconian cuts’ in some sort of prospective?

        Surely you won’t mind doing that in support of your argument?

        The figures please.

        • telemachus

          The issue is the removal of income from the needy poor by the coalition
          This is clear in today’s Guardian

          • HJ777

            I wasn’t asking you what The Guardian thinks the issue is.

            I was asking you to provide the figures so that we can judge the size of this “draconian attack” on the welfare of the poor. It is reasonable to examine what has happened to welfare funding over the last decade

      • FrankS

        Do you ever ask yourself how Oldfield’s stunt benefited the poor and needy?

        • telemachus

          Publicity

  • The_Missing_Think

    Why can’t these types know their place, in this classless, raceless, rainbow society of almost equals?

    Obviously, all insubordinates should be locked up in workhouses, until they learn to cap-toff quickly and politely.
    _____

    Peter Hitchens ruthlessly debunks (himself included), the 1960s flower power children:

    “where our children went to school, a choice we happily denied the urban poor, the ones we sneered at as ‘racists’.

    I have learned since what a spiteful, self-righteous, snobbish and arrogant person I was (and most of my revolutionary comrades were, too).”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2301743/How-invasion-immigrants-corner-England-mockery-PMs-promise-close-door.html#ixzz2P6qanR8g

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      Peter Hitchens? Oh you mean Christopher’s dumber younger brother.

      • The_Missing_Think

        Yep, I wrote a reply with a ‘non-beautiful’, (potentially, mildly offensive?) question for you… but… sigh… your question, has had to be self deleted.

        Sorry.

        • Guest

          Obvious troll who has been banned from both the Telegraph (four times for four different names) and the Guardian is obvious. Like Christopher Hitchens, but hates “Britisher pals”, “Brit chicks”, “white women”, Mohammedans, British ex-colonies in the Far East, Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, the very term “Far East”, the name “Burma”, the name “North Korea”, Imperial measurements, and whatever else takes his mad “fancy”. Perfectly unsound and unbalanced.

          • The_Missing_Think

            Regardless, I would like to have explored Jackthesmilingblack’s banned views. Probably a lot more interesting than a predictable Left Right hissing bun fight.

            However, assuming the name is a DNA hint, it’s not really possible in regressive Britain.

            As we’re all being held in pc sparkless cyber-chains, thanks to the 1960s crew:

            Teach = I know best finger wagging.

            World = Westerners only.

            Sing = Behavior patterns.

            Harmony = Obey Race Laws or jail.

            Thanks Boomers.

            • Guest

              You are wasting your time. The man is just a wind-up, a tw** and a tw**. A Japanese slagging us off and other nationalities that a Japanese typical does not like, with complete made-up nonsense, but by pretending to be a “British resident abroader” and an “English gentleman” living in Japan. Unsound, unbalanced, unhinged, an idiot and an illiterate. Don’t lower yourself to his level or rise to take his bait.

              • The_Missing_Think

                A bit like Telemachus then?

                I found it educational unraveling Telemachus’s politics. After a bit of ‘banter’, he was agitated enough to reveal his mongrel whites / thoroughbred non-whites concept. Very nasty stuff…

                He badly damaged his (Leftist) credibility, the audience glimpsed the true face of the faux-beauty that Peter Hitchens writes about. I see this as vital to help the English toughen their erroneous political stance.

                It picks the ‘mind lock’, and helps them escape their much revered politically correct chains… and thus, vote UKIP.

                Which is a very good thing in my books.

              • Jackthesmilingblack

                This is how Jock’s psychosis works: You have a mild criticism of Britain, as example “a multi-cultural sister-shagging *hithole full of narrow-minded ignorant people” and Jock instantly concludes you can’t be British to say such nasty things about Britain. But it’s quite natural that Brits who emigrated and made their fortune in the colonies, won’t have a good word to say about Britain. Especially when you see what the country has become. It was bad enough in 1972 (when I flew the coop), but it’s 10 times worse now.
                Jack, Japan Alps

              • Jackthesmilingblack

                So are we allowed to libel now, Spectator? Is it OK for me to say that Gordon Brown is a paedophile?
                Thought not.

              • Jackthesmilingblack

                Ever considered taking your own advice, Jock?

          • Jackthesmilingblack

            Don’t forget Filipinas.
            Face it Jock; I’m ten times better writer than you’ll ever be.

            • Guest

              Obvious Internet troll is obvious.

              • Jackthesmilingblack

                Response deleted.

      • Guest

        Dumber? Explain; in English, not in Japanese, if you please.

        • Jackthesmilingblack

          If you want to know what dumb means, Jock. Look in the mirror.

        • Jackthesmilingblack

          Comment deleted

  • FrankS

    Deabating with Douglas Murray.

  • darwins beard

    Trenton Oldfield is a conspiracy theorist (the Illuminati/global elite type) and was privately educated, meaning his “war on elitism” is somewhat hypocritical at best who is vehemently anti-democratic and thinks he is the epicenter of a global movement that represents people worldwide.

    What he did achieve was to annoy a lot of young men who trained very hard for a long time for the boat race and now a detachment of Royal Marines who despite operational commitments have had to guard this last race from other publicity whores when they could have being doing something else, like sending time at home.

    well done Trenton you massive c**t

  • In2minds

    “and what it achieved” – Well we are now even more like North Korea!

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      Aka the DPRK.

  • http://www.facebook.com/robert.evans.37 Robert Evans

    It’s Easter and I’m soft-hearted and yet I cannot find anything kind to say about this individual

    • Jackthesmilingblack

      Go on, force yourself.

  • http://twitter.com/Shinsei1967 Nick Reid

    “Whatever it cost to imprison Oldfield will be as nothing compared to the cost of discouraging his epigones.”

    I’ve often wondered at this argument used to cost military activities. Presumably these commandos are being paid (and fuel and other costs incurred) whether they patrol the Thames this afternoon or do an afternoon exercise on the River Plym back at HQ.

  • Colonel Mustard

    For someone whining about elitism he seems to be a typical lefty elitist:-

    http://www.trentonoldfield.com/

    • Emulous

       How to deal with a lefty elitist

      Smile. Always remember to smile when refuting an argument. It makes them go completely bananas. Smiling conveys two things that liberal elitists are very uncomfortable with: happiness and confidence.
       Stick to the issues. Never resort to personal attacks. They will – and your refusal to take part will make them unhinged. What should you do? You got it: smile, refute, smile, refute, and smile some more. Kill them with kindness. (Relax lefties, it’s an expression.)
       Be real. Left-wing elitists revere pomposity, arrogance, and highbrow rhetoric. However, they fear humility, authenticity, and practical smarts. Those things disarm them and leave them reaching for baseless attacks. Don’t forget to keep smiling.
       Crack them up. Tell a joke that really, really makes them want to laugh. They will become angry at you for being funny, then angry at themselves for – heaven forbid – laughing with the enemy. The contortions of their faces alone are well worth it.
       Break the stereotype. Lefty elitists take pride in defining you as the caricature they’ve been taught you are. Prove them wrong and stand up for individuality in the process. Revealing that you’re an animal lover, that you adore clean air, or that you went to a snobby left-wing university will leave them bewildered.
       And, most importantly …
       Defend their right to disagree with you. The collectivist mind has been trained to see opposing viewpoints as deadly. By defending their right to disagree, you are doing something they never could. The more you stress that their differing opinions don’t bother you, the more discombobulated they’ll become. Why? Because you will represent the true herald of diversity they falsely claim to be.

      • http://twitter.com/cpjskippy chris john

        and that just tears them up inside…

      • Nicholas chuzzlewit

        I could not agree more! You have virtually written the text book for what is a most rewarding hobby, a hobby that just never stops giving. Watching these sanctimonious, invincibly ignorant, hypocritical leftist bores foaming at the mouth whilst treating them with sweetness and light is a real joy. By the way, my favourite definition of a leftist/Labour party supporter: ‘ somebody who lives in constant terror that somebody, somewhere might be happy’.

        • http://twitter.com/Costrarini Costrarini

          Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy HL Mencken.

          This is the phrase “borrowed” to describe leftist/Labour supporters.

          Needless to say, it applies as much as conservative puritans as to the leftists being demonised here-and not precisely with a smile, judging from the bile spouted by many.

          • Nicholas chuzzlewit

            How very even handed. I have read the works of H L Menken extensively and am grateful to him for his erudition, perceptiveness and humour. I always see Gordon Brown when I think of this definition. The reason why leftists are demonised without a smile is because they tend to assume an inviolable moral superiority simply because they hold a certain set of beliefs and are utterly intolerant of any alternative opinions. The difference between right wing puritans and left wing puritans is that the right think your opinions are wrong wheras the left hate you for having different opinions. It is what makes the left so sanctimonious and such a joy to belittle.

            • http://twitter.com/Costrarini Costrarini

              From stating that you could not agree more with Emulous and his belief in refuting leftists with a smile (which might actually be a smirk) you proceed to “explain” why leftists are demonised without a smile in a rather peculiar way. Many would believe that there is no substantial difference between right and left wing puritans, or between verbose, smiling fools of any creed.

              • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                I do endorse those views. I was merely trying to explain why the left tend to offer a more rabid response than the right. I did enjoy your closing insult by the way. No doubt you are preening yourself as you reflect upon your subtlety, intellectual superiority, even handedness and moral invincibility. Well done you. You have certainly exposed my inconsistencies and petty minded pleasures.

                • http://twitter.com/Costrarini Costrarini

                  You certainly were trying, in a quite amusing manner. Many would believe that Manicheism is more suited for devotees of Punch and Judy shows-often including, regrettably, politics-or perhaps supporters of rival football clubs. Regarding your consideration of my closing remark as an insult, let me assure you that my kindness is legendary, and I never insult the less fortunate.

                • Nicholas chuzzlewit

                  Brilliant. Give yourself another pat on the back. Manicheism is generally invoked to describe the kind of life and death struggle undertaken by the likes of Hitler and Stalin and you employ it (primarily because you think I do not know what it means) as analogous to the struggles of Punch and Judy etc. Fantastic. You then boast of your kindness and then insultingly imply, with no possible evidence beyond your own sense of intellectual superiority, that I am less fortunate than you. Well I have enjoyed this encounter and by all means have the last word and make yourself feel even more superior (not easy I suspect).

                • http://twitter.com/Costrarini Costrarini

                  Your sweeping statements about the “differences” between Left and Right are certainly manicheist, simplistic and naive. You should know, if genetics and upbringing gave you a fair chance, that human nature is fairly constant through history, under any kind of regime; sadly, your “understanding” of politics appears fundamentally childish and visceral. I am glad that you have enjoyed this encounter, although strangely you appear to resent “insults”-when you are on the receiving end, that is. Keep smiling; never mind that people are laughing at you.

      • Tim Reed

        *applause*

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