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The Scots are more generous than the English. What a Red Nose Day joke

18 March 2013

1:08 PM

18 March 2013

1:08 PM

Scottish people are more generous than English people, contrary to the widely held belief that the Jocks are comically tight-fisted. A new study suggests that they are more likely to give money to charity than English people. I suppose it would only cause unnecessary offence if I suggested that the money they’re so happy to give to charity is, actually, ours. Anyway, this survey was published to mark  Red Nose Day, when every BBC light entertainer not yet arrested by Operation Yewtree was deputed to personally groom you to hand over your dosh in a series of, I daresay, hilarious and wacky stunts. As a mark of the relentless vaulting ambition of this fascistic celebrity smugfest, a red nose has been sent into space by the BBC, (along with a proportion of your licence fee.) This will lead alien life-forms to decide, on the spot, never to visit a planet inhabited seemingly exclusively by the sort of people who lick windows.


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  • The_greyhound

    I saw the juxtaposition of Scots, and red nose day in the headline, and expected an article about Mr Salmond, for whom every day is red nose day.

    Disappointed to find it was about smug tossers at BBC being, well, smug tossers.

  • Fergus Pickering

    I’ve managed to ignore Red Nose Day for years. It’s not at all difficult. And I have never given the buggers any money. I give what money I can afford to my children and the rest I spend on wine, women and song for myself..

    • Swank

      Excellent, Fergus. Hey Big Spender, I’m a woman that loves wine and writes songs, how ’bout spending a little on me? :^o

  • terregles2

    Do some English people never tire of denigrating others ? The Scots are “Jocks” the Welsh are “Taffies” the Irish are “Paddies”
    Some English sneer at the rest of the UK calling them stupid, mean, thick and scroungers. We are supposed to smile and take it all in good fun. The fact that the other nations have not given the English nation an insulting name speaks volumes.

    • HJ777

      So some Scots and some Welsh are never rude about the English?

      I’m Anglo Welsh with a bit of Scot in the mix, by the way. What should I take offence over?

      • Fergus Pickering

        Because the Scots are xenophobic c*nts with a chip on both shoulders, that’s why. Scotland’s two greatest prose writers, Walter Scott and Robert Louis Stevenson both suggested that the Scots were more than a bit near. Which, as one who lived among then, I can attest they are. Excellent in many ways, but not perticularly open-handed with the money.

        • HJ777

          That’s a gross generalisation and not true of the Scots I know.

        • terregles2

          xenophobic c*nts. Are you always so boorish and abusive? Scots are like every other nation a mixture of good bad and indifferent. Thank goodness the English who work beside me are lovely people and don’t have your rude attitude.

          • Noa

            They haven’t read your posts here then, otherwise they’d be less open and a lot more leery of you.

      • terregles2

        If your daughter is at university then she will know how this situation arose. It is not because Scotland is anti English. It is because the Scottish government took the decision not to charge Scottish students tuition fees. . As we are EU members we are forced to give every other EU country outside the UK the same deal we have no choice.
        People in England can vote for a government that values education and does not charge university tuition fees that’s what we did in Scotland. English government can take the decision to reverse the tuition fees any time it likes.
        Before anyone says that the Westminster government can’t afford it they have plenty of money they just spend it on the wrong things.
        They can use the money they waste on Afghanistan and Trident and on tax breaks for the wealthy.

        • HJ777

          The Scottish government did not have to decide to charge English students.

          • terregles2

            If the Westminster government had not introduced Tuition fees for English students there would not be a problem.
            if Scotland had no fees for English students the Scottish universities would we swamped by Englsh students and there would be no room left for Scottish students. Scotland only has a small population.

            Westminster has copied some recent Scottish legislation like minimum alcohol pricing etc. Hopefully Westminster will see sense and copy the abolition of tuition fees. If they stopped wasting money on illegal wars and nucleat weapons they could afford to prioritise education.

            • HJ777

              There are no limits on the number of students from other European countries.

              • terregles2

                Several other EU countries don’t charge tuition fees so English students could go there or better still tell the English Tories to stop wasting money on War and Nuclear weapons. Spend the money on education.

                • HJ777

                  Most do, albeit less than in England.

                  Scotland could quite easily have let the universities charge, and simply fund students from Scotland up to a set amount (i.e. fund the students, not the universities directly). Then Scottish students could go where they wanted (including England) and EU students would have been treated no differently from English students.

                  There is no doubt that the policy is specifically discriminatory towards English students and is also designed to discourage Scottish students from studying in England.

                  I wasn’t aware that any ‘English Tories’ had got us involved in any wars recently. That seems to have been a Labour speciality. The current government has cut defence spending from the levels it inherited.

                • terregles2

                  Blair took us into the illegal war but so many of the Tories fully supported him and voted for it. They are all equally guilty. It is the Tory and Labour Westminster politicians who both intend to squander countless billions on replacing Trident.. Perhaps they will see sense and instead use the money to scrap English tuition fees which will then encourage Scottish students to study in English universities. Let’s hope so.
                  It is hard to believe that Cameron and so many of his Cabinet ministers received the finest education that money could buy. The top schools in England and they produce men who think it better to give the country nuclear weapons capable of destroying millions of human beings rather than encourage the gift of education for ordinary citizens.

                • Noa

                  Well if you’re a teacher I certainly wouldn’t consider being educated by a self professed marxist xenophobe a gift.
                  The greatest insult is that my taxes currently pay for your mind warping ministrations

                • terregles2

                  If I am a teacher. Where did you get that from? I am not a Marxist a xenophobe or indeed a teacher.
                  Your taxes? I am a high earner so don’t think you need to worry about me gaining anything from your taxes.

                • Jambo25

                  We could but it would have been more complicated and more expensive to administer. There would have been other drawbacks as well. Why should the Scottish Government tailor it’s policy to help make English and Welsh domiciled students feel better about an idiotic education policy which was imposed at Westminster level for England and Wales.

                • Noa

                  Libya? Syria? Mali?

                • Noa

                  What money?
                  I see you are as deficient on matters of finance and economics as you are on reason.

                  Still, it good of you to come here to provide entertainment for us.
                  what time do you have to be back in the ward?

                • terregles2

                  What money. The high revenue raised from Whisky,Renewables, Gas, Fisheries, Forestry, Food exports, Oil, Metals, Stem Cell Research, Paper, Electronics, Forestry, Textiles, Hydropower,Biotechnology, Tourism etc. Check with HMT and GERS figures.
                  Scottish food exports to expanding markets like India and China are rapidly growing.
                  England does not have one natural resource that Scotland doesn’t that is why Cameron is campaigning hard against Independence.
                  You may question my grasp of economics but I think we would all agree
                  that Cameron would not want to hold onto Scotland if it were a financial liability.

                • Noa

                  I make no case for or against independence. Should Scotland wish to pay that price and determine that its future is as the District 8 Northern satrapy of the EU that is its prerogative.

                  Its high earners, except those in Brussels, will diminish rapidly and its savers, like those of Cyprus would soon find their new masters as generous with their savings as Frau Merkel.
                  Of course as an Englishman I consider it grotesquely unjust that a similar referendum will not occur in England, which would almost certainly result in England withdrawing from the Union.

                  http://www.economist.com/node/21552564

                • terregles2

                  You must not whinge about an English referendum. There is absolutely nothing to stop England forming a political party and campaigning for votes on an English independence ticket.
                  That’s what the SNP did in Scotland you can do the same in England. Vote for English independence nobody can stop you it is your democratic right.

                • Noa

                  Whinge eh?
                  The entirety of your posts here have been a humourless, bigoted sneer and criticism of England and the English and yet you have the impertinence to describe the grant of a referendum on the matter of the Union to the lesser party, whilst witholding it to the greater, as a ‘whinge’

                  You are indeed beyond contempt.

                  And your advice is not required. England and the English are increasingly rejecting the self-serving hypocrisy of Labour, the Lib Dems and Conservatives by opting for a party which will restore real sovereignty, not replace it like the SNP, with subjection to Brussels and Berlin.

                • terregles2

                  Beyond contempt? If you check all the posts the nastiness is all coming from you. You are just angry that your bullying and nasty language such as “total arsehole” have been challenged.
                  Quite a number of my family and friends are English and fortunately they do not have your nasty attitude.

                • Noa

                  I quote possibly your first post on this blog two days ago.
                  terregles2 HJ777 • 2 days ago
                  “Thatcher closed all industry in Scotland and used the oil money to fund the dole.The only thing bigger than the comtempt that woman had for Scotland was the contempt that Scots have for that woman.”

                  Now I would class that as a nasty and untrue post. You produced no evidence of any hatred on her part and presumed to speak in such terms for all Scots. For you such ‘truths’ are self evident and require no empirical support.

                  Quite what Mrs Thatcher had to do with Scots generosity on Red Nose Day one doesn’t know. But then the true Scottish bigot and socialist will always turn any subject to their purpose of Englis, Tory and Thatcherite hate-mongery, in a manner that could and perhaps should, be indictable under the current Equality and Discrimination law.

                  Regretfully I doubt that, on re-reading it you will find it as fact-light, or prejudice-heavy as I did. HJ777 certainly explored your ‘concerns’ with you in an entertaining manner which said more and more about you as you were driven from one smashed ideological redoubt to another fact smashed reserve trench.

                  Annd yet, in all your posts I have discerned not a scintilla of saving wit or humour. Finally, driven from your hide of prejudices you come to the last resort of the instinctive bigot;

                  “…a number of my friends and family are English…” or Black or Muslim or what suits.

                • terregles2

                  Scots like many English people have contempt for Thatcher as was demonstrated in every election when very few people in Scotland voted for her. Many Scots have nothing but goodwill towards English people. English people are mostly great. Being governed by English tories is mostly bad for Scotland.

                • terregles2

                  Personally like most Scots I dislike Thatcher and all her policies that is why very few in Scotland ever voted her. Personally I like English people but dislike the way my country has been governed by Westminster politicians.

                • terregles2

                  I am glad that English people are finding the type of government that they prefer. It is their democratic right to do so. If most of them as has been suggested would like to see Scotland independent

                • Noa

                  Really?

                  No mention of the Celtic Tiger and the RBS and HBOS debacles I see.

                  You’ll be settling your bill to the Union before you leave then, will you?

                  Scotland’s income and expenditure is a cake that can be cut many ways, as the doubtful Swinney claims show.

                  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9131062/John-Swinney-accused-of-misleading-public-over-Scottish-tax-and-spend.html

                • terregles2

                  Of course Scotland would be paying its share of the national debt on leaving,no question of not doing so. You really need it now that you have lost your triple A
                  In turn you will need to replace the Scottish maritime border.

                • Noa

                  Scotland doesn’t have sufficient assets to settle its share of the Debt before independance, should it occur, and it’s own credit rating and worthiness is speculative, otherwise Mr Salmond would have obtained and trumpeted it.

                • terregles2

                  Scotland is a wealthy country with many natural resources. That is why the Westminster Government both Labour and Conservative are campaigning hard in Scotland to prevent Independence. Is anyone seriously suggesting they would want to hold onto Scotland if Scotland were a financial drain. We have many natural assets and will have even more when the Maritime boundary that Tony Blair moved in 1999 is moved back and Scotland get back its 6000 square miles of sea territory.

              • Jambo25

                That is EU law. Take it up with the EU.

            • Noa

              “…Westminster has copied some recent Scottish legislation like minimum alcohol pricing…”

              Oh dear, has the Stage not yet delivered the London Times for last week then?
              For entertainment value you do score well!

          • Jambo25

            No, it could have chosen to spend monies otherwise destined for other areas of Scottish education on subsidising English students fleeing high fees in England and freezing Scottish domiciled students out of Scottish universities

      • Jambo25

        Perhaps you should take offence at the people overwhelmingly voted in by the English who have put English university fees up to 9,000 pounds pa. Before you complain you should actually try and find out why things work the way they do. The SG (Labour and Lb Dem originally.) established the present system to comply with EU law and protect Scottish students and taxpayers. It is, after all, them they are responsible to.

        • HJ777

          I know exactly why things work as they way they do thanks to the education I have received from you. If it goes wrong it’s Thatcher’s fault (obviously) and if it goes right then it’s all to do with the magnificence of the downtrodden Scottish people despite her dastardly efforts.

    • Fergus Pickering

      What is insulting about the word Jocks? You could try Poms, mate.

      • John Lea

        Agree. I’m a Jock and I don’t take offence at that term. Just a bit of banter. People are too quick to take offence these days. I’m also a xenophobic c*nt, but that’s another story.

        • Fergus Pickering

          Good on yer, mate. Nothing like a bit of xenophobic c*ntishness. Bloody foreigners!

        • Jambo25

          Yep. It was just a bit of banter the couple of times I was physically attacked due to my accent and national origins down south. The first time (On Highbury Fields) I was called a “Scotch c..t”. I think it was “Jock bast..rd”; the second time in South Manchester.

          I’ve got a son and a number of friends who’ve come across the same kind of ‘banter’ down south. All totally harmless.

          • Noa

            And on my last visit to Glasgow I was amiably addressed as ‘an English c*nt’ and invited to have ‘my hied filled in’, by several locals as I walked done the road.
            Nevertheless I don’t hold all Scots to be as friendly as these. But you do appear to hold all Englishmen responsible for your aggrievance.

            Are you very young?

            • Noa

              And it’s very telling that reported attacks on Scotsmen by the English are disapproved, whilst those by Scotsmen on an Englishman are approved.
              I surmise that the said and sad approver is in favour of such behaviour.

              • Jambo25

                Can you please quote approval for Scottish attacks on an Englishman. Are we talking verbal or physical? Over to you pally.

                • Noa

                  I’m not your ‘pally’, pal.

                  And try reading my post again if you didn’t understand it on first reading.

              • Noa

                And the downward arrow again proves my point.

            • Jambo25

              Well strangely enough, my English wife has never had that experience in the nearly 40 years she has lived up here. Neither have any of my numerous English friends who’ve lived up here for 30 years or more. Neither have any of my English friends and family who come up here for holidays I do know numerous Scots who’ve had that experience, in reverse, down South.

              Now, I’m sure that there are Scots who are very nasty to the English but I must say the process seems to be much more virulent in reverse. For what it’s worth lady wife and English friends tend to think that as well. They are all, obviously, anti English English people. Self-hating scum.

              Your last point is spot on. I’m so anti-English that I worked in London for a numbver of years, attended university in England, married an English girl, spend many of my holidays in Shropshire and the Lake District. My son is so anti-English that he lives in the Home Counties.

              • Noa

                It’s a shame that your delightful personal perceptions of gentle Scots liberality towards their English neighbours are not borne out by the facts.
                The recent rise in anti-English racist attacks is well-recorded.
                “Police recorded 1,295 (22%) racist incidents in 2011/12 where the victim was white
                and British. The total is up a quarter on the previous year and 57 per cent
                more than in 2004/05.”

                Almost as many, in fact, as on Pakistanis. (1357-23%)

                http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/9737918/Record-number-of-racist-attacks-on-English-in-Scotland.html

                By the way, I am so anti-Scots that I visit my Scottish relatives in the Highlands two or three times a year.

            • abystander

              Were you pushing? Pushy English people tend to attract animosity. Try not to push or queue dodge.

              • terregles2

                He said they threatened to “fill in his heid” can’t say I have ever heard that expression before any where in Scotland.

                • Noa

                  What would you expect to hear, or perhaps use yourself?

              • Noa

                I see that you seek to excuse criminal assault. Are you a Legal Aid lawyer?
                Similarly pushy Scots people in South Manchester or Highbury will no doubt heed your advice as being of equal applicability to them.

    • Noa

      And some people simply transcend such affectionate diminutives, to achieve the supranational moniker of ‘total aresehole’ on their own abilities.

      • terregles2

        The English need an affectionate moniker to be like the rest of the UK Taffies, Paddys and Jocks. It’s only fair that the English should not lose out.

        ” Total arsehole” is a shade too long.
        You sound like a clever fellow I’m sure you can provide us with a suitable affectionate diminutive for our English neighbours.

        • Noa

          I see the creative well of your abilities has been poisoned by your ingrained bile.
          But you may call the English what you like. It won’t bother us – and you’l still be what you’ve shown us you really are.

          • terregles2

            You seem really confused. First you tell us that we are churlish to object to affectionate diminutives and tell us they are an excellent idea. When I suggest that as they are a good idea you should think up a suitable affectionate diminutive for the English you have a tantrum.

            You then accuse me of being a teacher? Don’t know where you got that from. Just another of your hysterical accusations. As hysterical and inaccurate as calling me a Marxist.

            Call the English what you like. If I were to call them anything it would just be an affectionate moniker should a clever person like yourself manage to think one up.

            Unlike you I don’t have malice towards other nations. I have English family and English friends who thankfully do not spout the aggressive insults that seem to come so easily to you.

            They also do not use the crude vulgar terms that you do such as ” Total arsehole”

            • Noa

              No tantrums- merely returning your faux invitation, that you made it demonstrates what you are.

              • terregles2

                Think your response to my genuine invitation rather demonstrates what you are. You have such an impressively large vocabularly I really thought that you would have come up with a friendly moniker by now that we could use for our English neighbours. Doesn’t seem fair that the other three nations in the UK have one and England is left out.

                If you are struggling to supply one for us might I make a suggestion. You could mix together some of the letters from Noa and Fergus or perhaps Noa and Swank. You might come up with an appropriate moniker from that.

                • Noa

                  There now, excellently done!

                  I had thought that, with just a little mental application and effort you could come up with something that you would like and that shows us how you really think.

                • terregles2

                  I would never call any person of another nation a Taffy a Frog a Paddy a Jock or a Kraut.
                  It is rude and offensive . You defend the right to call others names and if anyone complains you say they have no humour and these banal names are simply affectionate diminutives.
                  You even use the crude offensive ” total arsehole” expression for anyone who does not like being called a Jock.
                  What a boorish and uncouth attitude. It is language more suited to a gents toilet wall rather than a public forum.

                • Noa

                  “You say it is a good idea to call other nations by a friendly moniker.”

                  Actually I didn’t, that was your rather odd little idea.

                • terregles2

                  I have never made an anti English comment never have and never would. Anti Tory English Government very much so. Anti English people never. You are obviously a very muddled and confused person

                • http://www.facebook.com/michele.keighley Michele Keighley

                  Try calling them English – without the usual prefix ‘Bloody’ –

                • terregles2

                  I find that comment quite offensive. I don’t use the word bloody and I would certainly never describe the English as bloody. I have very close English family and friends in both Scotland and England. I am very critical of Westminster government as some of my English friends are.but never critical of ordinary English people.

            • Jambo25

              I suspect exchanging mail with Mr. Noa is a bit like trying to pick your nose whilst wearing boxing gloves. A rather pointless activity.

              • Noa

                What a strange thing to do!

                Did Matron make you wear gloves in the dormitory to stop your bad habits?

            • Noa

              “…Unlike you I don’t have malice towards other nations.”

              A totally unfounded statement. You don’t have any evidence whatsoever for that malicious statement and I call you out accordingly.

              I have though objected to the humourless anti-English zenophobia amply demonstrated by various posts on here. If you can’t take it, don’t deal it.

              And I reserve the absolute right to defend my views, country and politics from any gratuitous attack.

    • Jambo25

      French are frogs, Germans krauts, Spaniards dagoes, Italians wops etc etc.

    • Knives_and_Faux

      Sweaty socks moaning seems to be their main export industry.

  • robheggie1

    This honestly passes for an article?

  • Stephen Hedges

    I think the ‘Red Nose Day’ is beyond vile, it is deeply sinister. It appears to be a vehicle for endorsing the status of Africa as a perpetual basket case, with the inherent message that it is somehow our fault/responsibility. As if they are victims in need of our help. I’m curious why they focus on Africa, are there no instances of desperate poverty elsewhere? I suppose ignoring the rest of the world allows them to avoid the uncomfortable fact that in Asia massive economic progress has been possible with better governance and a bit of hard work

    • Swank

      To say nothing of democratic and accountable governments…

  • Robert Taggart

    Profligate Jocks – just look who they vote for – case rested !
    Moi ? – never given a penny – to any of these tiresome charity stunts !!

  • Clavers

    I’m relieved to be relieved of Comic Relief and here is one Scot who does not and would not give this BBC cheap entertainment swindle one decimal penny, Rod Liddle is better comedy value.

    • Jambo25

      Some of us can dislike Red Nose Day and the puerility of this kind of unfunny dross equally.

      • Noa

        Why are you here then?

        If your nose offends you pluck it off…

  • TheOtherTurnipTaliban

    Red Nose Day is run primarily for the benefit of the people running it.

    And Scots are only so generous because they are subsidised to kingdom come so essentially they are spending someone’s money anyway.

    Good night and God bless

    • terregles2

      Don’t know whose money they are spending. It certainly can’t be England’s money as Scotland has far more resources than England.

  • AndrewMelville

    I’ve always found the Inglish to be free with Scottish jokes but with a wallet’s opening as tight as a gnat’s @ss. The Scots’ reputation for generous hospitality is well earned. A constant stream of Cdn tourists reporting back to me continues to uphold it.

  • Grrr8

    Where do u come up with this stuff? Conceptualised, written and edited all during your morning visit to the John? Does Fraser pay you for these scribbles?

  • FrankieThompson

    We’ve been giving money away for decades here in Scotland Rod. Indeed since the 1970’s we’ve funded the Thatcher Revolution( mass unemployment and an end to manufacturing), the Iraq War, and the bank bail outs. Meanwhile , Norway’s Pension fund is now worth over $650 billion dollars, on account of not having to fund a large neighbour intent on economic insanity since 1979.

    • Joshaw

      “and an end to manufacturing”

      Such a shame, since the construction of the QE2 in the 1960s went so well.

    • HJ777

      Manufacturing output grew under Margaret Thatcher’s government.

      I well remember all the inward investment her government (and Major’s) encouraged into Scotland in, for example, the electronics industry.

      Manufacturing output fell substantially under the recent Labour government (and employment even faster). Look at the state of the electronics industry in Scotland now.

      • FrankieThompson

        I believe that the intellectually bankrupt husk of a political party known as “Labour” is nothing other than a fully paid up card carrying part of the Thatcher Revolution. This is about who controls Scotland’s national resources.

      • terregles2

        Tharcher closed all industry in Scotland and used the oil money to fund the dole.
        The only thing bigger than the comtempt that woman had for Scotland was the contempt that Scots have for that woman.

        • HJ777

          So let’s get this clear.

          “All industry” closed in Scotland and Margaret Thatcher personally did it?

          If you say so.

          • terregles2

            Well you can’t blame her Cabinet they were only selected because they were spineless yesmen. Her spiteful policies throughout the long dark destructive years that she was in power laid waste to the UK manufacturing and industrial base.
            She frittered away all the North sea oil on funding the dole. She was particularly viscious towards the Scots because they never voted for her.

            • HJ777

              So how come the ONS says that manufacturing output grew by 20% under the Thatcher/Major governments?

              How come her government went to such great trouble to attract industry to Scotland (the electronics industry being a particularly successful example)?

              How come you don’t criticise the recent Labour government under which manufacturing output declined by over 10% and the output of Scotland’s electronics industry halved? You know, the one which received more revenue from North Sea Oil than Margaret Thatcher’s did?

              • terregles2

                I would never defend Labour they are also a disgrace. Tony Blair and Thatcher two dreadful politicians. You can quote any statistics that you like. The facts are that unemployment rocketed under Thatcher. She squandered the oil money on dole.
                Labour and Tory both equally bad.

                • HJ777

                  So it’s a ‘fact’ if it suits your argument and a ‘statistic’ if it doesn’t?

                  You claimed that she ‘laid waste’ to the manufacturing and industrial base. The figures say otherwise. I could provide along list of companies that were attracted to Scotland and Northern England under her (and Major’s) government. I would find it hard to do the same under Blair/Brown.

                  So, instead, you move onto unemployment. It did indeed ‘rocket’ under her government. I have no doubt that her government made mistakes which increased it, but that is a very different thing from claiming that she, and she alone, was responsible. Remember that she came to power at the start of a recession. Remember too that unemployment reached similar levels in other European countries (as she prime minister in those countries too?).

                  As for the oil money, North Sea Oil never constituted more than 5% of GDP (and there were costs involved in extracting it). The oil also raised the value of the pound, which was hardly helpful to industry. And oil revenues were actually higher after she left power under the following Labour government.

                • Jambo25

                  Governments could have taken measures to lower the value of the pound but Thatcher and her Chancellor’s refused to do so as, obviously, “You couldn’t buck the market”.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  Ah Thatcher, the magic bullet. In the early nineteenth century they used to scare the children with Boney long after he was dead.

                • Jambo25

                  She still presided over a government which saw the decline of large areas of traditional industry throughout sections of the UK.

                • Noa

                  For some people referring to Mrs Thatcher and her free market reforms are like invoking Godwin’s Law.

                  For them it’s the ultimate, unanswerable argument to be delivered when views based from infancy on tribalism, class hatred and leftist political dogma are countered by the delivery of fact, reason and logic.

                • HJ777

                  Because when it comes to exchange rates, you can’t buck the market and any attempt to do so inevitably ends in disaster.

                  It’s noticeable that you don’t say what measures you think she should have taken to manipulate the exchange rate.

                • Jambo25

                  Actually when it comes to FX rates you can buck the market. It’s done all the time. That’s what Germany did with the Euro The Chinese have had an artificially low Yuan for years and the Japanese did the same with the Yen back during their boom years. Switzerland took steps to lower the value of the Swiss Franc last year. Try again.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  No my dear chap, distinguish. Tories bad, Labour much worse.

                • terregles2

                  We know how clever you are Fergus. You are really an outstanding person but I did not realise you were also psychic. Why do you refer to me as a dear chap. How do you know if I am male or female?

          • Jambo25

            She certainly presided over the death of heavy engineering and mining in Scotland and did nothing to establish any kind of industrial policy which would have re-established new industry. What industry did establish itself in Scotland was generally foreign or locally based. The old pan-British employers of Scots were largely gone. It was another nail in the coffin of British identity. Politically, in Scotland, if you wish to see her monument ; look around you. Devolution, an SNP government, the 2014 Referendum and the total death of Scottish Conservatism.

            • HJ777

              Presided over is not the same thing as caused.

              The same happened in many other European countries.

              • Noa

                But that doesn’t satisfy the primal desire for someone, preferably English and Tory, to blame, regardless of the truth, or the innate sense of victimhood that must be assuaged.

              • Jambo25

                Well most of those European countries had long term industrial and economic policies one part of which was not letting the value o the currency go through the roof. Most also had policies in place to promote the growth of new industries and jobs. Not only did Thatcher and chums not do this but they ran down much o the industrial training and apprenticeships which were available. We ended up, in the 90s, with a labour force deficient in skills and had to import millions of immigrants to make up for that.

                • HJ777

                  Name me a country in Europe that attracted more new industries and which created more new jobs.

        • Fergus Pickering

          Do you make it up as you go along or have you written it down on the back of an envelope first.

          • The_greyhound

            Mr Salmond organises free classes in mad ranting. There’s a prize for anyone who can get their eyes swivelling in opposite directions while denouncing the bluidy English for the Scots’ proclivity to self-pitying drunkenness.

            • terregles2

              Talking of mad ranting you sound like you have indulged in some free classes yourself.

            • Jambo25

              I think I’d get help if I was you. Therapy or chemical; it’s equally good.

            • Eddie

              Oh yes, Salmond is the real clown. He even wears the comedy trooosars…
              Wasn’t he wanting Scotland to be like Iceland a while back? Until all their banks imploded?
              Then it was Norway he loved – despite that country leaving the EU, which Salmond wants an independent (and utterly divided) Scotland to have a right to automatically join.
              Who wull it be next? North Korea? The Democratic Bloodbath of Congo? Toytown?
              He’s like a 12 year old chaging friends or favourite pop groups: he will say anything to make him popular (so he thinks). He also seems to think the SNP is Salmond, and Salmond is the SNP. Maybe 1930s Germany will be his next fave eh?

          • Noa

            For the Record that’s what passes for much of informed opinion past the northern border posts since you moved south to indulge your taste for fancy goods from France and thither, Fergus.

            I see the educational system has been even more corrupted there than in England. An absolute ignorance has been married to a tribalist bigotry to produce – a bilious haggis.

            • Jambo25

              Dopes that actually mean anything?

              • Swank

                Eh? You a drunken Scot at present or what? ‘Dopes that actually mean anything?’

                • terregles2

                  O and P are beside each other on the keyboard. You try and make an insult out of a typing error. Are you sure you do not have homework to do?

              • Noa

                Are you speaking of yourself, or the system that produced you?

      • terregles2

        I well remember living in Scotland in 1979 and our country produced ships, steel, trucks, cars and also produced coal. Her policies closed Ravenscraig, Bathgate.Linwood, John Browns the coal industry and much more. By the time her own party threw her out her policies had all but destroyed Scotland. What replaced her was not much better. She fought her 1979 campaign on the slogan ” Labour isn’t working” there were 1.4 unemployed in the UK 1979 by 1992 tory decimation of our industry had pushed the figure to just under 3 million. That is not counting the people that were encouraged onto sickness benefits to massage the unemployment figures.

        She did do one good thing though she ensured that the Tories were finished in Scotland forever. She also gave birth to the rise in Scottish independence votes.which panicked Westminster into introducing devolution.

        Forgive me if I do not comment on any other statistics or facts that you may wish to defend that destructive woman with. Her policies are detested in Scotland and like most other Scots I really do not like to even think about that woman. We try hard to forget her.

        • HJ777

          Of course, it couldn’t have been because those industries were too inefficient to survive, could it?

          It they had been efficient and profitable, then they wouldn’t have closed. She didn’t close any industries, she merely refused to rob taxpayers to subsidise loss-making companies.

          And presumably you blame her for attracting so much inward investment into Scotland? That was really terrible, wasn’t it? Or the fact that Scotish GDP grew faster under her government than it did before or has since?

          • Noa

            Of course those militant, communist controlled unionists who were forever striking for less work and more py wouldn’t have had anything to do with it either.

            • terregles2

              Less work and more pay. Think you are confusing them with the Bankers .

              • Noa

                Hey! You’re good on cliches, but poor on original thought.

          • terregles2

            They were not too inefficient Ravenscraig steel was recognised as amongst some of the finest in the world. Other countries such as Germany give subsidies to their industries as they realise in the long run it makes more economic sense to do that than to waste money on dole. Like most tories Thatcher knew the price of everything and the value of nothing. The main thing though is she is gone like a bad dream. I find it incredible that anyone not living in Scotland can tell us what was good for us in political terms.
            We in Scotland lived through the Thatcher horror. We made it clear at the ballot box what we thought of it. We made it clear that we will never let it happen to us again so there is really nothing else to say.

            • HJ777

              Explain to me why a good capitalist like Margaret Thatcher would order the shutting down of an operation if it was profitable.

              Please also explain how she managed to do this to Ravenscraig two years after she left power.

              The Soviet Union subsidised loss-making industries. They did really well, didn’t they?

              You’re still eerily silent on all that inward investment in industries such as electronics. I presume you consider it a bad thing?

              • Jambo25

                In Thatcher’s world some people had to suffer for the greater good: that good being situated mainly in London and the South of England of course. We just happened to be among the people who had to suffer.

                • Noa

                  I see that you suffer from the delusional cult of victim hood beloved of so many self pitying socialists.

                • Jambo25

                  No, I was simply educated in Economics.

                • Noa

                  Simply? Indeed.

                • HJ777

                  In your world she is obviously to blame for every problem. What a simple world that is.

              • terregles2

                I am silent on inward investment. I thought that was rhetorical question. Why would anyone be against any kind of investment? What a strange question. Even Tories are not wrong all of the time. However to suggest that Tories ever did Scoltand many favours is right up there with the rest of the jokes on red nose day.

                • HJ777

                  I don’t suppose that you are wrong all of the time, but you are making a very good stab at it.

                • terregles2

                  Let’s just agree to differ. It’s a lovely bright morning I am off to work and I don’t really want to spoil this nice day with thoughts of Thatcher or indeed any other politician.
                  I respect your point of view I just don’t share it.

                • HJ777

                  It would be nice if you would accept certain statistics/facts are favourable to her case rather than ignoring them and focusing only on the negative ones. Otherwise it is impossible to engage in a balanced discussion.

                  I have many criticisms of her government, but I also recognise the positive aspects of the reforms and policies she introduced. It is always instructive, in my opinion, to compare what happened here to what happened in other European countries. If the same thing happened in most other European countries, then it is probable that those changes were inevitable rather than attributable to a particular politician.

          • Jambo25

            Whatever growth took place in Scottish GDP certainly wasn’t due to Thatcher. It took place in spite of her, not because of her.

            • HJ777

              Oh I see. She was to blame for everything that went wrong but had nothing to do with anything that went right.

              That’s what I call a nice balanced analysis.

              • Jambo25

                Yes. Had you any idea of Scottish politics, in the 80s and 90s, you would know that a series of Tory Scottish Secretaries attempted to run their own policies in Scotland, in opposition to Thatcher, as they knew, from a Scottish perspective, that her policies were nuts. Moreover it became fairly obvious to what was left of the Scottish business and commercial middle class that her policies were nuts which was probably one of the factors which led to the very muted anti-devolution stance of those business and commercial interests.

              • terregles2

                The fact that she was popular enough in the south of England and loathed and detested in the north of England and in Scotland should really tell you something.

                We really do not need lectures on the good things that she did. Her arrogance was so extreme that she had the audacity to introduce the poll tax in Scotland a year before it was introduced anywhere else in the UK. Scotland protested but were ignored. England protested and she
                backed down.
                You are of course right she did do some good things she killed off the Tory party in Scotland permanently and she sowed the seeds of Scottish Independence.

                • HJ777

                  I lived in the North East at the time (working in a manufacturing company) . She wasn’t popular but there was surprising degree of recognition that many of her policies were necessary if not inevitable. Everyone knew that she had inherited an economic mess

                  You may not need lectures, but you do need to accept facts and not make up your own.

                  As for the poll tax – it had to be introduced in Scotland a year before England because otherwise very expensive rates revaluations would have to be carried out in Scotland. This was prohibitively expensive for just one year. That’s the only reason why it was brought in in Scotland a year earlier.

                  If she killed off the Tory party in Scotland how come it received a similar share of the votes in the GE as the SNP and the LibDems? Independence? Won’t happen. Most Scots are against (you should hear my very Scottish neighbours and their opinions of the independence campaign).

                • terregles2

                  There is now only one Tory Westminster MP in Scotland don’t call that a success. Your very Scottish neighbours are against independence. My very English neighbours up here are voting for it.

                  There are now over four political parties campaigning for a YES vote in Scotland. When Scottish Labour united with the Westminster tories they lost many votes. If your very Scottish neighbours do not live in Scotland then their opinion is irrelevant as they will not be voting. If they live in Scotland they will be aware that there has recently been quite a shift in opinion. The faction of Scottish Labour who have broken away and call themselves Labourforindy are gaining in popularity. Their leader Allan Grogan is more popular than Johaan Lamont the Scottish Labour leader.

                  Many in Scotland have not made a final decision on YES or NO. What many of them are really tired of is the constant negative scaremongering by Unionist press. Their latest scare was to tell Scots they will have to renegotiate a total of 1400 new Treaties. They have since been forced to admit that was a lie. Even the BBC have said they do not need to be impartial. Thank goodness we have NewsnetScotland which provides some relief from Unionist propaganda.

                • HJ777

                  It won’t happen.

                • terregles2

                  How do you know? A week is a very long time in politics. To predict what will happen in one years time is rather foolish to say the least

                • terregles2

                  Why will it not happen because you say so.? Silly to try and predict events that are more than a year away. Almost as silly as telling Scots they should appreciate Thatcher’s virtues.

      • Jambo25

        That’s strange as I can remember several generations of the young people I taught going pretty much straight onto the dole after the local economy was devastated by La Thatch’s wonderful economic policies.

        • Noa

          Ah, you’re a public sector leech. Preaching your brand of marxist bigotry at the taxpayers’ expense.

          • Jambo25

            Actually, I’m a centre right social conservative. Rather well-off and public school educated I worked as a school teacher for some decades and a lecturer for a short time. I’ve also worked as a civil servant in an economics ministry, fish porter, salesman, rat catcher, industrial cleaner, brewery worker etc etc. My wife worked as a research scientist and later ran a pharmacy: always in the private sector. My son now works as a planning consultant but has also worked in retail and as a project manager in construction. What have you done with your miserable bile flecked life?

            • Noa

              Rather more.

              But I did not ask for nor am I interested in your opinion of yourself, or sharing my personal history with you.
              Here, you are what you write.
              And your posts have defined a vain, humourless, bien pensant xenophobe.

              • terregles2

                You may not wish to give us your history but one thing we do know about you is you don’t need to get up early for work in the morning.

                • Noa

                  ‘Us’? There are more of you?
                  And you may assume what you like. Like your other views it will be founded on prejudice rather than fact.

                • Jambo25

                  No. You simply called me a “Public sector leech”. I still don’t know what great an wonderful things you have done.

          • terregles2

            A ” git of Scottish descent” and you call others xenophobic. If you are a Thatcherite that does explain a lot about your hysterical outbursts,

            • Noa

              Let me explain; a git is not a xenophobic term, neither is being of Scottish descent.. Even juxtaposing the two together doesn’t make it so.

              But if it do, so what?

  • CraigStrachan

    “I suppose it would only cause unnecessary offence if I suggested that the money they’re so happy to give to charity is, actually, ours”

    Not sure that’s actually true, but for the sake of argument say it is.

    That still leaves the Scots your moral superiors, as you have to be coerced to give them the money they then voluntarily give away.

    And nobody does moral superiority like the Scots.

    • Swank

      I think the idea is that the money England showers on Scotland makes the individual charitable donations a comparative drop in the bucket. If it’s moral superiority they’ve got, they come by it cheaply.

      • CraigStrachan

        Well, they will never knowingly overpay for anything.

      • terregles2

        Think the money showered on Scotland is their own revenue given back. That revenue that Westminster HMT takes from all the resouces that England does not have. Whisky,Gas, Oil etc.

  • Hexhamgeezer

    Maybe theres a lot of generous English living in Scotland and loads of skinflint jocks in the South.

    RND is just the Big Society for the hard of thinking.

  • John Lea

    Yep, I agree, it’s vile. Not only because we already spend a fortune (which we cannot afford) nationally on Overseas Aid (and where exactly does that go?), but it’s the sheer chutzpah of the whole occasion which rankles. (Multi) millionaire celebs (like Jonathan Ross and David Walliams) have the nerve to ask us for money – couldn’t they simply sacrifice a week’s salary instead?

    • Swank

      Have a recommend, John!

    • Eddie

      Yes indeed – oh for that annual smugfest where we have to be begged by millionaire ‘comedians’ and other catamites of Richard Curtis fo our hard-earned cash to send to African regimes which will either steal it or use it to protoe yet more overpopulation and kowtowing to the Chinese.
      By the way, do the Chinese have such a charity-thon? Or are they too busy making money out of our stupidity? (lots of ‘aid’ from Red Nose day will go into their pockets ultimately too).
      Oh and it’s discriminatory against people with red noses too.

  • David Ossitt

    I loath ‘Red Nose Day’ or should that read red nose week or is it now red nose month.

    They boast that it has been going for twenty five years and in recent years have kept on pointing out that the money raised is spent in the UK as well as abroad, abroad being certain African Countries, I will bet that by far the lions share (no pun intended) is spent in Africa, that is what is left after groups of C.D. and E list Celebes and others prance around the sub-continent having their photographs taken with black mothers and their sick babies.

    It is all a waste of time and money, there has been no change or improvement in the past quarter century nor will there be when another twenty five years have past by, most of sub-Saharan Africa is a veritable cesspit of corruption and until that problem is successfully solved and I do not think that it will ever be there is little point to all of this.

    • http://twitter.com/TartanTory Tartan Tory

      Real change has happened – where the Chinese have come in and invested

  • Daniel Maris

    Och they are far more canny than that. They know that if anyone ever raises the subject of a charity donation, it’s safest to say you have, just now, made such a donation, a very large sum…”I cannae say how much, but it was muir than substantial. Och aye, more than substantial… ”

    (Best said in a Private Fraser voice.)

    • terregles2

      Best not said at all if you were trying to be amusing.

      • Noa

        I always oppose those who would impose censorship on us.
        Especially those who advocate self-censorship for no reason other than their lack of any sense of humour.

        • Jambo25

          Or have a superior sense of humour to the eejits who thought they were being funny in the first place.

          • Noa

            Umm , if they have it they certainly haven’t displayed it for comparative evaluation.
            So, no groat for you today.

            • Jambo25

              Are you capable of writing anything with any meaning or are you happy simply to spew words out in a random manner?

              • Noa

                You have comprehension problems? I can’t help you.

  • Kojak

    Rod,

    Thank you for describing the vile Red Nose Day for what it really is.

    For 25 years I have cringed at the prospect of Richard Curtis et all instructing me to feel guilty and rewarding me with what they consider to be nice entertainment for good people.

    Now that Hugh Grant, one of his underlings, is shaping the extent of the free press I expect criticism of Red Nose Day will be looked very dimly by the underpinning arrangements we are soon to enjoy.

  • DougS

    “….I suppose it would only cause unnecessary offence if I suggested that
    the money they’re so happy to give to charity is, actually, ours….”

    Below the sporran shot there Rod – but hey, it’s your job….and true to boot!

  • Jupiter

    I’m Scottish & I never give money to charity

    • edlancey

      Me too and the nearest I come to charity of any sort is offering street beggars motivational advice (albeit unsolicited) in how they might improve their lot.

      • Eddie

        And by a wonderful coincidence, apparently three quarters or so of street drinkers in London are Scottish or Irish…

  • edlancey

    And there was me thinking Alex Ferguson had a red nose because he like the sauce…

    • Stigenace

      It’s because he’s perpetually angry.

  • HJ777

    The Scots may give more. I don’t know.

    All I know is that the survey in question cannot be relied upon. The sample size (3000) is too low to compare regions and countries within the UK. What is more, they asked people how much they gave – and who knows whether they were being truthful or just didn’t like to sound miserly?

    What’s even crazier, they only counted people who said they gave more than £50/yr, so it tell us nothing about the average contribution of the population to charity, only the average contributions of the more generous ones. We are told nothing about how the proportion of more generous ones varies across the country.

    In other words, the study is totally meaningless.

    • Noa

      It’s really much more a nausea fest than a nose fest.

  • http://twitter.com/MackyDee1 Macky Dee

    The report says: “The biggest donors come from the Midlands, where people give, on average, £375 a year.”

    But then goes on to say: “Scotland was the country with the highest donations from mainstream donors, on average £356

  • Noa

    More generous? Bigger fools more like.

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