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The decline of George Galloway

21 February 2013

6:41 PM

21 February 2013

6:41 PM

The decay and decline of George Galloway was on full display in Oxford last night when he stormed out of a debate with a third-year PPE student from Brasenose College. The student’s crime was to be an Israeli, a discovery which led Galloway to declare: ‘I don’t debate with Israelis. I have been misled.’ He then got up to leave. ‘I don’t recognise Israel and I don’t debate with Israelis,’ Galloway said as he exited the room.

This is, of course, the old curmudgeon’s stock-in-trade. Galloway has made a career trading in the worst forms of sectarian and dog whistle politics. The Independent’s Owen Jones was busy calling on the Left to learn from Galloway at the weekend, arguing:

Gorgeous George is one of the most charismatic politicians of our time, but also one of the most divisive, and still manages to win over the audience. You don’t have to like him; but, if you want to change the world, you do have to learn from him.

Jones is wildly misguided. Galloway’s success derives from his abrasive and doctrinaire posturing; not from any supposed ‘charisma.’ Indeed, to look at Galloway over the last twenty-four months is to see a once half-competent orator (one need only consider his appearance before the U.S. Senate in 2005) decay and succumb with dogged inelegance to the wispy grasp of seniority.  Can anyone really point to a coherent or impressive Galloway performance over the last few years?

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During this time Galloway’s political life has been coloured by an accelerated descent into intemperance. Hosting a TV show on Hezbollah’s al-Mayadeen (‘the square’”) channel last September, Galloway adopted a faux-Arab accent of the most peculiar fashion while barracking a young Syrian who called him out for supporting Assad’s brutal regime.

All this leads, of course, to a not unreasonable examination of Galloway’s vociferous support for terrorist groups operating across the Middle East. After storming out of yesterday’s meeting Galloway claimed he would not engage with any Israelis because Israel is an ‘apartheid state’. Set aside the palpable falsity of that charge and consider the moral inversion here. Apartheid upsets Galloway to such an extent that he can’t abide debating anyone associated with it – although no similar concerns extend to those who deliberately kill civilians.

During a rally held in London during the 2006 Hezbollah-Israel conflict, Galloway told his followers, ‘I am here to glorify the Lebanese resistance, Hezbollah. I am here to glorify the leader, Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah.’ Later, when he led the Viva Palestina convoys to Gaza he triumphantly declared ‘I, now, here, on behalf of myself, my sister Yvonne Ridley, and the two Respect councillors – Muhammad Ishtiaq and Naim Khan – are giving three cars and 25,000 pounds in cash to Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh. Here is the money. This is not charity. This is politics.’

When Galloway later pontificated on the meaning of rape in defence of Julian Assange he alienated even some of his most hardened supporters. Salma Yaqoob disowned him and left the Respect Party.

Galloway’s promiscuous embrace of tyrants, support for terrorist groups, and personal nastiness, perfectly captures all that is wrong with parts of the so-called ‘revolutionary Left’. It’s hard to know what lessons Owen Jones thinks the Left should draw from the political career or trajectory of George Galloway – besides it offering an abject example of righteous failure and hypocrisy.


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  • Porkbeast

    I love Galloway, he adds the plural to our so called pluralistic free political debate. The reason the Spectator hates him is he is so effective at punching through the spin and censorship in our public schoolby/girl dominated public discourse. Enemies of free speech, what are you afraid of?

  • Rockjaw

    Good on George!!

    Nobody likes to mingle with filth generally, and there remains a basic right of association, whether zionists recognise it or not

  • the mighty one

    George go back to Scotland your not welcome anywhere brown was Scottish no 1 liked him get the message sod off you inbred looser

  • David

    this article is just another attempt to discredit mr galloway,the whole framing and phrazing of it, is more or less slander,i really hate these right wing dummies,who spew out all their malicious bile,some of the inaccuracies in the above rants ,are wholly untrue,and misleading,..you should be ashamed!…run back to your masters little whelp………then i suppose,..if you have a dog ,why bark yourself! cowards. Wolf in Sheeps clobber.

  • Keith Hendry

    To the best of my knowledge, Gallowgate er, I mean Galloway (Gallowgate is where he hangs about before heading to watch his choice of football club in Glasgow’s east end, surprise choice there then, aye right!) has never been part of the revolutionary left & described followers of Leon Trotsky such as was Adam Ingram allegedly was in his youth as extreme. He is more likely a religious extremest than a political one as he believes in the afterlife & is proud to be a RC, hardly compatible with anyone in the revolutionary left that I have ever met or know for that matter.

  • wazzally

    The author of this piece is Jewish so I really can’t accept that it is in any way objective. It is typical of Jews that they call those opposing Israel either terrorists or anti-semites. Please answer the accusation that Israel is an apartheid state!

  • Porkbeast

    The predictions of Galloway’s demise coupled with shoot the messenger
    character assassination have been the constant drone from the right-wing
    media since he first spoke out against injustice as a Glasgow MP. He was right about
    weapons of mass destruction as well, almost uniquely in the fawning
    forelock tugging press and a lot of people may not like him but his arguments are a different. I think that its his message that has drawn the criticism and the fact that he can hold his own in an interview which are almost universally hostile makes him doubly dangerous

    His CV as an MP is impressive. He was a Labour MP of course. But twice he has won as an independent essentially; that’s almost unprecedented. He is constantly on trial by media, has been slandered and libeled and received rich rewards in the courts. Don’t underestimate him; the constant attacks so deligitimised him in the Westminster bubble led to him winning an impressive victory in Bradfors. What is more he stole an election from under everybodies noses. The media immediately snubbed the electorate who voted for him and labled them as “Islamists” and got their character assassinations in after the horse had bolted to Tesco.

    I don’t think hes finished yet. And we need a plurality of opinion
    for democracy to work. Hes been demonised for not agreeing with the
    establishment and being teflon tight to their attacks.

  • john

    google george galloway and you get article after article from the zionist brigade vilifying him in every way possible. Its like unleashing a tirade against someone who doesnt toe the line and instead looks at the facts on the ground and speaks his mind rather than the political brigade who submit to the zionist lobby groups so strategically placed around the globe. Ask Washington who rules? Who un heavens name would otherwise support a pariah state such as Israel with its violent, aggressive subterfuge nature, its contempt of international law and human rights. I too dont recognise such an illegitimate state.

    • Colonel Mustard

      Ha ha! I think your comment is illiterate never mind illegitimate. You can’t get much more pariah, aggressive or violent than blowing up airliners and murdering the world’s innocent people since the 1960s.

  • zakisbak

    “still manages to win over the audience ”
    Bollocks.
    But it is owen Jones,so to form.

  • RodPolisher

    George gALLAHway we know what you are!

  • Porkbeast

    The predictions of Galloway’s demise coupled with shoot the messenger character assassination have been the constant drone from the right-wing media since he first spoke out against injustice. He was right about weapons of mass destruction as well, almost uniquely in the fawning forelock tugging press.

    I don’t think hes finished yet. And we need a plurality of opinion for democracy to work. Hes been demonised for not agreeing with the establishment.

    • Colonel Mustard

      I love that plurality of opinion thing. I just wish it included a right wing viewpoint. Unfortunately those who use the term plurality most tend to mean only the plurality of opinions which are “acceptable” to them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/andclarke Andy Clarke

    This article is drivel and propaganda!!! Israel is an Apartheid state which oppresses an indigenous population! What he did was not anti-semetic, he should have engaged in debate in my opinion. Though he did say he had been misled. He may well have been pictured with Saddam etc… but had not other western leaders? Joke!!!!!! People need to wake up to how this disgusting system of ours works, sooner it falls the better, which it is doing

    • http://twitter.com/TyKendall Ty Kendall

      Can you explain exactly how Israel is an apartheid state? Examples?

  • Sassan

    George Galloway is an anti-Semitic, pro-terrorist lover of Islamofascism and tyrants. No surprise. He works for PressTV. He loves every tyrant in the world and has gone to speak for on behalf of Saddam Hussein, Bashar Assad, the Mullahs in Iran, and held a pro-Hamas fundraiser. The only way he got elected into office in the U.K. was by running in a Pakistani Islamist district. There is no bigger stain on humanity than him. How I wish the late and great Christopher Hitchens was still alive to put this disgrace in his place.

    • Keith Hendry

      Worse than all of that, he’s a Celtic fan!! LoL

    • David Elkins

      and you…. are a lesser man, he thinks you follow dogma just as you live and breathe.

  • http://www.facebook.com/justin.levene Justin Levene

    Galloway does debate with Israelis, he debated with Raed Salah in 2012 who holds an Israeli passport. Golloway’s actions can only be deemed as Anti-Semitic as Raed Salah is Muslim and Eylon Aslan-Levy is Jewish. Anti-Semitism is illegal in the UK and he should face punishment from the law for his actions.

  • YKB

    The flea bitten wonder did the world a favor by clearly demonstrating not only his own ideology but the ideology of the animals that he sleeps with.

    Thanks you George, you continue to be the strongest argument on the planet for Israel’s existence.

    Keep it up

  • jazz606

    “……succumb with dogged inelegance to the wispy grasp of seniority…..”

    senility ?

  • molucca Red

    Shiraz what a dreadful article, Just thought you might like to know that you’re

    • Daniel Maris

      I didn’t know skin pigmentation was correlated to writing style.

  • srbhrst

    But it’s obviously OK for Israel not to talk to the Palestinians because Israelis don’t recognise Palestine! You ZioLoons really haved turned hypocrisy into an artform.

    Another classic is the whine of “racist” from a people who are prone to not just one but about a dozen genetic diseases caused by inbreeding despite spending millennia living among other cultures, LOL!

    • sarah_13

      Your comment is simply incorrect. The last talks broke down because of the Palestinian leadership. Israelis talk to Palestinians all the time, and for clarity all Israeli citizens are protected under the consititution and are represented in parliament. Genetic diseases effect all people not simply one group.

  • Mark Moore

    “Jones is wildly misguided” And the prize for understatement of the century goes to……

  • Stigenace

    When I saw Galloway on Question Time I thought he looked unwell and somewhat less than ‘gorgeous’. Maybe it is just the normal ageing process but he appeared a little gaunt with darkness around the eyes and rather pale, by his standards. Combine that with his increasingly ranting attacks and less than rapier like defence and I saw a man coming to the end of his tether. His flouncing out of a debate with an Israeli, who he would have once relished taking on, does indeed signal a decline in mental faculties. I don’t think he was making a point about Israeli apartheid, I think we are seeing a man, no longer in command of his mental faculties, unwilling to expose himself to intense scrutiny anymore.

  • Curnonsky

    Never forget that Hitler was dismissed as just such a buffoon as Galloway.

  • sarah_13

    Owen Jones is indeed a useful idiot. I wish to understand his thoughts on real Apartheid? The kind practiced by Iran, where discrimination is government policy, where Jews have to pay a tax, can only vote for a Jew, where children and homosexuals aree executed?! Saudi Arabia? What on earth do they have to say about the multitudes of muslim majority states, or terrorist run states like gaza where their charters are explicit about killing Jews and homosexuals? I would be very interested to hear some of this one dimensional vehemence directed at them instead of at Israel, a country that has many Arab members of parliament and guarantees freedom to ALL people under the constitution?

    The problem is in fact not jones or Galloway but those in the bbc and others who have elevated them way beyond the status their ability should normally allow. Why is Galloway frequently on question time, and jones ; giving them this veneer of respectability is the real problem.

  • NT86

    How could George Galloway be in ‘decline’? I’ve had an overwhelmingly negative impression of him for sometime. There’s no platform from which his reputation could decline any further. It was always pretty low in my books.

    The man is a professional troll who cares about no one but himself. It would be best that every section of the media just ignores this clown so that he finally goes away.

    Even those Muslim voters he panders to for support will turn away once they realise what a slimy charlatan he is. As the article above mentions, Respect’s former leader, a young Muslim woman, quit the party after his disgusting rape comments so even within those ranks things will fragment. George Galloway is a megalomaniac and people who support him at the moment will realise that in time.

    This incident in Oxford exposes him as nothing but a spineless coward.

  • 2trueblue

    Galloway is totally way out, but that does not mean that he does not have a following.

  • MirthaTidville

    Owen Jones is too stupid to be able to tie his own shoe laces…..Galloway is a dangerous fool, but far too active and dangerous to dismiss as being in decline. I hope and pray that the Security Services have him at the top of their list

    • sarah_13

      I agree. He is preaching to his 100k twitter followers and his lovely constitutents. He is a very dangerous individual, he is an opportunist, nothing phases him,

    • David Elkins

      annonymous …you think you are?… welsh twit

  • Austin Barry

    We should be more sympathetic to George. I suspect that his increasingly deranged behaviour is a consequence of his recent conversion to Islam.

    Circumcision in the elderly can lead to unpleasant todger troubles which, when exacerbated by an aging prostate, will result in irritability, anguished outbursts, a generally surly manner and, more germane, malfunctioning plumbing.

    George’s dramatic exit from the debate may have been merely the function of an impatient bladder.

    • Rockjaw

      Do you think your theory might also explain the behaviour coming from israel?

    • Stan Theman

      You don’t have to accept circumcision as an post-pubescent convert to Islam.

  • adamber

    After this performance, how could anyone take Owen Jones seriously? What a fool.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSC3RMstJl8

  • CraigStrachan

    ” ‘I don’t recognise Israel and I don’t debate with Israelis,’ Galloway said as he exited the room.”

    Does Galloway imagine he is in fact a state, or is he merely possessed of a state-sized ego?

    • HooksLaw

      a pea sized brain?

      • David Elkins

        he seems to think a little more than most, including you

    • Daniel Maris

      He is a bit of a state.

    • Colonel Mustard

      A right state.

    • wazzally

      Do you not wonder why he doesn’t debate with Israelis?

    • Rockjaw

      Why not? I mean israel thinks it is a state.

      Heck, I heard israel even thinks it has a minister of justice!

  • http://twitter.com/Jon_BG Jon BG

    His garb, if not his performance, on QT, is evidence of a Walter Mitty character who has clearly lost the plot. This is a devastating piece, and Owen Jones’ defenders are missing the point. It truly is like saying ‘at least Hitler made the trains run on time’. There has never been a sitting MP who so resembles a fascist demagogue. That he has been elected by the people of Bradford is truly worrying, not to mention a national disgrace.

    • Fergus Pickering

      It was Mussolini who made the trains run on time. German trains always run on time.

    • molucca Red

      utter nonsense.

    • Rockjaw

      Only a zionist would attempt to argue that Hitler was a monster for making trains run on time.

      Not sure whether to laugh or cry!

  • Simon Semere

    Not speaking to someone just because they are from Israel, George Galloway has finally lost his mind!

    • Rockjaw

      I don’t believe he said he refused to speak to people because they are from israel.

      are you lot so insecure that you have to spend so much time and effort creating alternative realities for yourselves?

  • MichtyMe

    Owen Jones is a fool if he thinks learning from Galloway is the way change the world. Galloway has never in his career exercised an iota of power and his influence on those that do, negative. A ineffectual windbag.

    • OldSlaughter

      Everything after the first four words is redundant.

    • DonnaTxx

      George Galloway won’t even disclose his religion, when someone asks him he becomes incandescant with rage.

      • Rockjaw

        1- His religion is a private matter and 2-
        2- it is better not to disclose your religion than to lie about your religion the way most zionists do.

        Zionists have not taken complete control of our lives quite just yet, there remains a few rounds yet before this fight is over.

        • Stan Theman

          Yeah! Zionist hoodlums! Woo-hoo!

    • Fergus Pickering

      Owen Jones is a fool anyway

    • Porkbeast

      How many times have you been elected to anything let alone Parliament?

  • Ron Todd

    Does he have any power in ‘respect’ or is he just a figurehead?

  • darwins beard

    we need a George Galloway to keep the far left as a ridiculous annoyance and not a real political option

    • Colonel Mustard

      Unfortunately the “far” left (which seems to cover quite a lot of ground) are supported by a large number of ridiculously annoyed people. The source of their various ridiculous annoyances covers just about anything or anyone they disagree with. This ridiculous annoyance has managed to extend itself into the real political options of parties like the Conservatives. The whole political narrative now seems to be one of ridiculous annoyance with the only question being what it is that will next come under the spotlight of the ridiculously annoyed.

      • David Elkins

        twit.

  • HooksLaw

    The BBC think the sun shines out of Galloway’s backside. This rabble rousing bigot is regularly invited on to Question Time. The usual BBC QT audience lap him up.

    • David Lindsay

      He is not on it very often at all. It is just that his every appearance is memorable, even if last week he did look as if he was starting to lose his mind. That in itself sticks in everyone else’s.

      You must be thinking of Nigel Farage, who has been on it more times that anyone else apart from Vince Cable, a Cabinet Minister, since the last General Election. Or one of those Loony Right people who pretend to be think tanks but are really just too rich to need to work.

      • HooksLaw

        He is on it more often than the leader of the BNP. He is on it far more often than his standing as a leader of a minority opinion might warrant.
        Your lies are showing again.

        • David Lindsay

          He is an MP.

          • HooksLaw

            So?

            • David Lindsay

              Truly, you are the heir of Leo Strauss and Max Shachtman.

              Not that you have ever heard of them.

              • HooksLaw

                So? Does that require repeated exposure to his rabble rousing rants by the BBC?

                You do seem a bit obsessed with Jews.

                • David Lindsay

                  We’ve found the level, I see.

                  That one will never work again, after people like you, two of whom now have Spectator Blogs, took to the media every day for several years and denounced all criticism of the Iraq War as anti-Semitic, a mere charge which is now sufficient to close debate and to secure dismissal from employment in the only country about which you know anything, and that country is not Britain.

                • HooksLaw

                  No we have well and truly found you out

                • David Lindsay

                  That one will never work again. For which you warmongers have only yourselves to blame.

      • HJ777

        What has Nigel Farage said or done that qualifies your assessment of him as a bigot?

      • zakisbak

        Or one of those Loony Left people who pretend to be think tanks but are really just too rich to need to work.
        Do keep up.

  • David Lindsay

    It is inconceivable that George Galloway does not know that, for example, Archbishop Elias Chacour is an Israeli citizen.

  • http://twitter.com/JamesFirst James First

    well done George….fuck the Israelis and there thinking.

    • HooksLaw

      Well at least you can spell 4 letter words properly

      • http://twitter.com/JamesFirst James First

        who said that…………..

    • Simon Semere

      So we can say what we want on this site, the spectator’s turning into a joke.

      • http://twitter.com/ianwalkeruk Ian Walker

        While the sentiment and language used by James is deplorable, perhaps you haven’t quite grasped the meaning of ‘free’ in ‘free speech?’

        • Grrr8

          You really do win the prize for pomposity Ian. Even I must salute you.

          • Colonel Mustard

            “Even I”?

            • Wessex Man

              Well I expect he’s been reading too much of the thoughts of our resident sages David Lindsay and Hooky baby!

        • HooksLaw

          ‘People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid’ –
          — Søren Kierkegaard (that well known Danish philosopher)

          • http://twitter.com/ianwalkeruk Ian Walker

            “We have a natural right to make use of our pens as of our tongue, at our peril, risk and hazard.”
            – Voltaire (lesser-known French philosopher)

      • http://twitter.com/JamesFirst James First

        and its on you….

    • arnoldo87

      James – a tip:- Take the shades off when you are typing.

      • http://twitter.com/JamesFirst James First

        shukram cuzzie….

  • In2minds

    “The decay and decline of George Galloway”, now be fair, the accent is getting better by the day. You are too harsh.

    • HooksLaw

      And the beard and designer suits. I wonder how much he pays for his shoes.

      • Wessex Man

        Oh dear this is getting worse probably the same way you do at a shop or online.

        • HooksLaw

          What with all the proceeds from the Miriam Appeal ??
          http://www.investigatemagazine.com/PSIREPORTGallowayOct05FINAL.pdf

          The US Senate say …
          ‘Galloway personally solicited and was granted oil allocations from the Government of Iraq during the reign of Saddam Hussein.’
          ‘Galloway’s wife, Dr. Amineh Abu-Zayyad, received approximately $150,000 in connection with one of those oil allocations;’
          ‘Galloway’s political campaign, the Mariam Appeal, received at least $446,000 in connection with the oil allocations’ (thats under the UN humanitarian the Oil-for-Food Program)
          ‘The Hussein regime received improper “surcharge” payments amounting to $1,642,000.65 in connection with the oil allocations granted to Galloway’
          ‘Galloway knowingly made false or misleading statements under oath before the Subcommittee’
          ‘The Subcommittee’s evidence demonstrates that, in addition to false or misleading statements made before the Subcommittee, Galloway knowingly made false or misleading statements under oath before a British tribunal holding a trial in connection with the lawsuit brought by Galloway against The Daily Telegraph’

          This is the man slavishly supported by Mr Lindsay and others and given freedom to rant by the BBC.

          Like I say I wonder how much he pays for his shoes.

          • David Lindsay

            a British tribunal holding a trial in connection with the lawsuit brought by Galloway against The Daily Telegraph

            No such thing.

            • HooksLaw

              The Telegraph thought there was such a thing – it paid Mr Galloway £150,000
              http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1557660/George-Galloway-should-be-suspended.html

              ‘The report today by Sir Philip Mawer, the parliamentary commissioner
              who began his inquiry in 2003, was delayed because of a libel case
              brought by Mr Galloway against The Daily Telegraph.
              Mr Galloway was awarded £150,000 in libel damages.’

              We must begin to wonder what world you live in. Clearly not the same as the rest of us.
              For what it is worth the US Senate produced evidence which showed Galloway lied under oath.

              • David Lindsay

                Oh, well, it must be true, then.

                There is no such thing as “a British tribunal holding a trial in connection with the lawsuit”.

                • HooksLaw

                  But there is such a thing as lying under oath. Trust you to miss the point.

                • David Lindsay

                  And his accusers are?

                • HooksLaw

                  I have published above his accuser and their evidence.

                  Furthermore
                  ‘The Commons Standards and Privileges Committee, in one of its most damning reports against an MP, said today that Mr Galloway at best “turned a blind eye” to what was going on but was more likely to have been “complicit” in the concealment of the true source of funds for his Mariam Appeal.’
                  ‘The standards committee said that Mr Galloway should not only apologise to the Commons for failing to register donations to the fund but also to David Blair, the Daily Telegraph’s diplomatic correspondent, who discovered the documents linking the charity payments to the oil-for-food programme’
                  ‘The committee found that Mr Galloway had breached the Code of Conduct by failing to register his interest in the Mariam Appeal, did not declare his interest in it whenever he should have, and used his Parliamentary office and staff to support the appeal “to an excessive extent”.’
                  ‘The Mariam Appeal, which raised more than £1.4m, has never filed any accounts’

                  What is quite funny is that the article we are debating here is entitled ‘the delcine of George Galloway’
                  ‘Decline’!!!

                • Wessex Man

                  Oh Hooky you do make I laugh.

                • UKSteve

                  Quite right. The people posting on here are falling for exactly the same type of ‘demonisation propaganda’ that has been used against Enoch Powell, Tony Benn, Dr. David Kelly, et al ad nauseum. Basically, anyone who’s getting a bit too popular for the likes of the political elites.

                  Galloway gave the US Senate a going over because of the stupidly clumsy propaganda planted in those offices in Baghdad. He hasn’t said half of what the “Media say he has”, it’s the same with Ahmendinajad. And most of what he’s said has been childishly posted completely out of context.

                  FFS, you would’ve thought people would have been a bit wiser after “Operation Desert Storm” and 9/11.

                  I disagree with his politics to a large extent, but he has more principles than the entire Cabinet.

      • sarah_13

        Designer Suits? He appears to be using the same designer as president Karzai and some Pakistani politicians.

  • http://twitter.com/NyeBeverage James Stanier

    I’m sorry this attack on Owen Jones is ridiculous. As you are well aware having read the article Owen Jones covered Galloway’s support for dictators and his rape apologism.

    The point he was majing is that Galloway’s speaking style is personal whereas the speaking style of many on the left is technical.

    You condemn Galloway in this article, and rightly so, the man’s a misogynist, a liar, a Quisling and a bellend.

    He does however – like most unpleasant people – have a certain charm, most of this comes from the directness of his tone and his working-class confrontational attitude.

    The question that Jones attempted to answer was why does Galloway do so well on Question Time considering he’s so reprehensible? Owen Jones offers his own explanation for this fact. Your article wholly fails to adress it.

    • HooksLaw

      He ‘gets away with it’ by being allowed to tell lies. EG as quoted above – ‘Galloway claimed he would not engage with any Israelis because Israel is
      an ‘apartheid state’. Set aside the palpable falsity of that charge…’

      Galloway tells people what they want to hear and they are willing to suspend their credibility. Hitler did it and I do not see people suggesting we should follow his methods.

      Farrage is the same.

      Serious politicians who have a serious hope of being elected cannot give such hostages to fortune which is why such rabble rousers if elected are soon to be found out of favour as their policies fall apart.

      • Simon Semere

        But it is turning to an apartheid state, that statement is far from a ‘palpable falsity’. What is happening in Israel now you would not believe, do some research on it.

        • HooksLaw

          Tell us – and justify it. I am not a supporter of the current Israeli govt nor a supporter of the view that the there should be only one state in the area commonly regarded as either Palestine or Israel.

          • Simon Semere

            Just so surprising some of the things happening with nothing learnt from history.

            • HooksLaw

              So you care not to tell us?

              • http://twitter.com/TyKendall Ty Kendall

                So, ONE Jew says it [Israel is becoming an apartheid state] so it must be true?

          • Grrr8

            Hooky – grab last months Prospect and read the article by Henry Siegelman, the former President of the American Jewish council. He has no problem stating that Israel is on its way to becoming an apartheid state. And he’s Jewish.

            • HooksLaw

              “CAMERA (Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America) – has stated that Siegman’s writings are full of “falsehoods that distort and denigrate”, “hypocrisy and double standards”, and that “an examination of his body of work reveals his analyses to be little more than thinly veiled propaganda promoting the Palestinian perspective on the conflict with Israel.”
              (CAMERA may well be pro Israel but how many messengers do we want to shoot between us?)

              My point is he is a left wing observer with his axe to grind and should we rely on his opinions to verify facts?

              I do not wish to particularly support the current Israeli govt BTW, my main point is that the tories are not the slaves to Israeli jewish pressure and are pressing the democrat USA govt to press on with a 2 state solution.

              • Grrr8

                No disagreements on your point. Mine is that this notion of “apartheid” as an unusable word in this context needs to go away.
                Sent from my iPad

        • Ross

          I don’t need to do research – I am an Israeli citizen (slowly recovering from the disappointment that George would never debate with me!!) and there is no apartheid in Israel. There’s freedom of religion for all, state aid for mosques and churches, the right to vote and stand for the Knesset (a number of MKs are Arabs), schools for all kids (unless parents want to send them to a religious school), nurseries for all, and many people of all faiths friends together. You need to live in a country to see what really goes on, and how ppl think.

      • Wessex Man

        Hooky, you really are a little star may your little tinkle carry on for ever.

      • http://twitter.com/NyeBeverage James Stanier

        Ignoring the obligatory Hitler reference I actually think your point about Farage is quite interesting as when I read Jones’ article in the Indie my first thought of a right-wing mirror to Galloway was Farage. He’s well liked by the public as he has a sort of affable charm with his pint of English beer (a prop just as surely as Harold Wilson’s pipe was) and his moaning about the smoking ban.

        In a highly technocratic, wonkish era politicians like Galloway, Farage, Boris and Prescott tend to resinate with ordinary people. Ie people who don’t debate politics on the comments section of a Speccie article. In that I think a lot of politicians would do well to pay attention to these people as opposed to talking about “the Big Society” or “One Nation”.

        • HooksLaw

          We are talking about rabble rousers and demagogues so why not bring Herr Hitler into it?

          The point about Farage is that his whole prospectus is built an a lie. Plus of course there are plenty of examples of UKIPers troughing in the EU swill.

  • oakroyd

    Galloway’s ‘support for terrorist groups’. Did you paste that up from Haaretz? What a load of piffle.

    • David Lindsay

      Quite possibly. The British Right is now almost entirely a branch office of the American branch office of the Israeli Far Right. No one dare look into quite how this has happened. British Tories, or for that matter American Republicans, routinely didn’t used to like the Israelis one little bit.

      • HooksLaw

        Dunno where you get that. But then I dunno where you get anything. Its the Democrats in the USA who are the beneficiary of the Jewish vote.
        Israel is no longer a cold war proxy and mainstream western opinion does not support the Israeli religious right.

        Galloway is a con man doing very nicely out of his demagoguery.

        • David Lindsay

          The GOP and the organisation still purporting to be the Tories are completely in the pocket of the Israeli secular ultranationalists, as is UKIP (so much for the I in UKIP). This post itself illustrates that, even to those of us who disagree with Galloway’s behaviour on this occasion.

          • HooksLaw

            ‘ the Tories are completely in the pocket of the Israeli secular ultranationalists,’
            Huh??
            This is why the Tory foreign secretary is urging the Democrat US government to pull its finger out and force Israel into a 2 state solution.
            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21147811
            You are beyond parody and of course terminally thick.

            Like Galloway you are happy with any lie or fantasy that fits with your bigoted prejudice.

    • David Ossitt

      If you are going to pretend to attack a particular quote at least have the common decency to cite the sentence in full, as below.

      “Galloway’s promiscuous embrace of tyrants, support for terrorist groups, and personal nastiness, perfectly captures all that is wrong with parts of the so-called ‘revolutionary Left’”

      Galloway is a low life bully, who is enthralled and intoxicated by the sound of his own voice, his behaviour at Oxford over these past few days has been deplorable.

      • David Lindsay

        He alone asked Cameron on the floor of the House why we were simultaneously supporting the Islamists in Syria against the dictatorship and the dictatorship in Mali against the Islamists. He got nothing but a gobful of abuse.

        As, the following week, did the Father of the House, Sir Peter Tapsell, possibly the last Tory in the place and one of Galloway’s sponsors when he recently took his seat again, when he asked much the same question about Mali.

        • HooksLaw

          Elections are to be held in Mali on 7 July 2013. When are elections in Syria?
          The rebels in Syria are locals who want the democracy that is on offer in Mali. The terrorists in Mali are outsiders who want to use it as a terrorist base.
          Your example goes some way to answer the question posed in the article. You and Galloway of course are happy to misrepresent the broad brush phrase ‘islamist’ to suit your own weasel purposes.

          Oh – Why did we support Russia in its war against Hitler?

          • David Lindsay

            Why, indeed? But that is a whole other question.

            The Syrian “rebels” not not want democracy, at least not as you or I would understand the term. They are Wahhabi and Salafi, both locals and, very largely, invaders. Like the ones in Mali, in fact.

            • HooksLaw

              You know that they do not want democracy? Do you?
              http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012/09/24/syrian-rebels-said-to-seek-islamic-democracy/57826584/1

              The west needs to be cautious in that when Assad is finally overthrown we want to encourage a democratic replacement. There is a long history of revolutions falling into dictatorship (famously the French), so its a tough issue.
              One of the few places where revolution stayed as a democracy was the USA of course.

              Wherever it is anywhere in the world it should be for the locals to decide what flavour of democracy they want.

              • David Lindsay

                You people never learn.

                There are two options in Syria. What they have now. And an Islamist state. There is no Third Way.

                • HooksLaw

                  You say so? The religion of the area is Islam – you do not need to be brain of Britain to realise that.

                • David Lindsay

                  Everyone who knows anything about the subject says so. But then, they did about Iraq and you lot wouldn’t listen.

                  In Afghanistan, meanwhile, there was and is only one option, which is why the place hasn’t changed a bit and isn’t going to.

                  You ageing student union politicians and ageing student newspaper hacks need to grow up.

                • HooksLaw

                  You mean the people you listen to say so. The real world works differently and it works by not accepting the prejudices and ignorance of people like you. it works by standing up for the democratic process wherever you can.

                  Wherever you read anything about Afghanistan you read that the people hate the Taliban and also fear them and yet you wish to surrender to them. its up to the people in Afghanistan in the end and we should help them if we can.
                  When we went into Afghanistan under Labour in 2006 we made a total mess of it.

                • David Lindsay

                  You ageing student union politicians and ageing student newspaper hacks need to grow up.

                  But you won’t. So you have to be kept away from the running of anything.

                • HooksLaw

                  More invention.

                • HJ777

                  What are you if not an “ageing student politician”?

                  What experience of the real world do you have?

                • MaxSceptic

                  Crikey! For once I agree with you. It is a pity – as the sainted Henry K said at the time of the Iran-Iraq war – that both sides can’t lose. I suppose the next best thing would be for Sunni Syrian/foreign rebels to have an all-out war with Shia Hezbollah. Inshallah, as they say there.

                • David Lindsay

                  One side of the political divide in Lebanon is always termed
                  “pro-Syrian” or “Syrian-backed”, and referred to as “Hezbollah and its
                  allies” without the slightest examination of who, what or why those
                  allies might be. Still less any examination, or even presentation, of
                  the fact that neither the President nor the Prime Minister can be a
                  member of Hezbollah, since the former has to be a Maronite Catholic
                  while the latter has to be a Sunni Muslim.

                  But the other side is never termed “pro-Saudi”, or “Saudi-backed”, or
                  “Salafi”. Yet it is the real confessional monolith, although by no means
                  representative of all Lebanese Sunnis. And it is the real threat to us,
                  as Salafi militants are. Its potential takeover of that strategically
                  vital strip which is Lebanon is an utterly terrifying prospect.

                  Yet we pretend that the confessional monolith threatening us is the
                  other side, the side already in power, the side at least politically and
                  no doubt materially supported by pluralist and anti-Salafi Syria, the
                  side made up of “Hezbollah and its allies”.

                  Funny, that.

                • MaxSceptic

                  Nice to know that we can blame the French for Lebanon’s weird constitution… Alas, the Maronites might not survive this lovely ‘Arab Spring’ (shame about the decent Chateau Musar and other fine wines….). As for the Sunnis and Shias, so long as they’re killing each other I’m pretty sanguine.

                • David Lindsay

                  The inbuilt Christian-Muslim balance in Lebanon is a masterpiece. And the Maronites regard Hezbollah as their own line of defence. Against Arab Christianity’s real enemy. To the south.

                • MaxSceptic

                  Oh, you are such a wag. Once the Maronites start to enjoy the serious attentions of their one-time compatriots, they’ll be seeking asylum from that “Arab Christianity’s real enemy. To Lebanon’s south”.

                • David Lindsay

                  You have just exposed yourself as knowing absolutely nothing about the subject. Honestly, where does one even begin?

                • MaxSceptic

                  Please don’t make an attempt. I can’t take too much satire with my cocoa.

                • David Lindsay

                  Ineducable Israeli shill. How did the Tories end up that way? You never used to be like that.

                • MaxSceptic

                  Now, now. Losing your rag will not improve the general perception of you or your opinions.

                • David Lindsay

                  Oh, no, I am quite beyond anger. I am genuinely fascinated as to how both the British Tories and the American Republicans – in even recent historical terms, one could add “of all people” – ended up where they are now.

                • HJ777

                  Exposing yourself as knowing nothing about a subject is something you do regularly and it has never stopped you commenting.

                  For example, your comments on 4G vs 3G licence revenue (ascribing the difference to George Osborne when it has nothing whatever to do with him) and your completely wrong assertion that Osborne has increased the deficit under this government (the figures – which can be verified easily – clearly show otherwise).

                  So how do you have the gaul to throw this criticism at someone else?

                • HooksLaw

                  Throughout the islamic world we see internecine strife. Not that we can sneer. We were at it up until 1945.
                  The notion that it is good for us though is false.
                  One day perhaps these people will grow up. I suggest its wise to help them if we can.

                • MaxSceptic

                  But they don’t seem to want a Reformation, an ‘Enlightenment’, or to share our values. Whether we admit it or not there is a ‘clash of civilisations’ and the only we’ll prevail is if we are honest about what is happening. As Islam does not recognise secular authority, this will take generations.

                • HooksLaw

                  English reformation was a purely selfish royal enterprise.

                  Turkey has a secular govt. But yes I would imagine any growing up of islam will take generations. It currently seems a medieval religion relying on the ignorance of its supporters for strength.
                  We should help it not hinder it.

                • Fergus Pickering

                  hen I assume we should go for what they have now. Which indeed I do.

            • Fergus Pickering

              Why indeed? Have you never heard that my enemy’s enemy is my friend? Which is the reason I support Israel.

      • oakroyd

        Surrounding the piffle about ‘terrorists’ with the rest of the piffle doesn’t make it any the less piffle. GG’s behaviour at Oxford seems considerably less deplorable than the behaviour which he articulately criticizes, and has criticised, in Iraq, Gaza and Afghanistan.

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