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The cowardly and hypocritical media abandons Lars Hedegaard

8 February 2013

4:01 PM

8 February 2013

4:01 PM

It is now three days since a European journalist was visited at his door by an assassin. For three days I have waited for any response to this.

The BBC reported the story in brief, as did the Mail and the Guardian posted the Associated Press story.

But where are all the free-speech defenders? Where are all those brave blogs, papers and journals who like to talk about press freedom, human rights, freedom of expression, anti-extremism and so on? Where are all the campaigners? I have been scouring the internet and apart from Mark Steyn at National Review and Bruce Bawer at Frontpage, and a few other US conservative blogs, hardly anybody seems willing even to report events in Copenhagen on Tuesday.

What explanation can there possibly be for this silence? Allow me some guesses:

Lars Hedegaard is a 70 year old white conservative male who is critical of Islamic fundamentalism. He enjoys none of the currently approved ‘minority’ statuses that might have allowed more people to leap to his defence.

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Two years ago Lars was outrageously put on trial in Denmark for discussing honour killings in his own home. Nothing he said should ever have been the subject of such a trial. As it was (and as the BBC and others were forced to correct in their reports) the charges against him were dismissed on appeal. But I know that a certain type of otherwise ‘brave’ journalist gets the heebie-jeebies thinking they might be even within a million miles of defending anyone who was once near a courtroom on speech-crime charges.

I can see the ‘liberal’ blogosphere contorting themselves over this. Yes, he was let off. Perhaps it was all fine. But isn’t it all a bit close? All rather uncomfortable? “I’m happy to defend freedom of speech, but it must be speech I absolutely agree with, otherwise it’s all off.”

Then there remains the unknown identity of the attacker. The man who appeared at Hedegaard’s door has been described as ‘foreign’ looking. It remains eminently possible (as in the case of Pim Fortuyn’s assassin) that the person trying to kill Lars was not Muslim but was somebody whipped up by the lies and misrepresentations of much of the media into thinking they were doing a good deed. I have written already about this phenomena.

But the possibility that the assassin was a Muslim would make this even harder. Surely, in the contortions which the left has got itself into over Islamic fundamentalism, even reporting the possibility that a young Muslim tried to kill a journalist for his views would risk being a hate-crime in itself. Might not even reporting such a fact (if it becomes fact), or mentioning it, let alone deprecating it, not risk causing further tensions?

But there is one other crucial part of this near-unanimous cowardice. Might it not be the case – as the media suggested through their headlines – that as an ‘Islam-critic’ Lars Hedegaard might actually have brought this on himself? Very regrettable and all that, but it has been reported that he has started a new newspaper – Dispatch International – which some reports have described as ‘anti-Islam’. From a cursory look I cannot see that it is. It looks like it is trying to do the job that any mainstream paper would do if they weren’t all so terrified. Leaving alone whether Dispatch International is ‘anti-Islam’ or not, would people be so silent if it looked like an evangelical Christian assassin had just attempted to kill a European journalist because the journalist had published disobliging words about Christianity? I cannot help thinking such a case would lead to a considerable outbreak of ‘brave’ reporting.

Well to hell with them all. We live in a culture of cowards and hypocrites. Our public squares are packed with grandstanders who talk of human rights and freedoms, but when an assassin comes to a journalist’s door they can’t even lift their fingers to their keyboards.

I am now going to take out a subscription to Dispatch International and hope people will join me in doing so here. If that is indeed why the assassin called, then let’s spread the risk around a bit. Let’s make it the most gloriously widely-read publication out there. Since the attempt on his life, Lars has invited me to write pieces for Dispatch International and I have already told him that it will be a pleasure and an honour to do so.

What has happened to Lars Hedegaard was an attempt at the ultimate form of censorship. Many people have already shown that they take these lessons to mean they should be silent.

I suggest we go the other way. Solidarity used to be a virtue of the left. In the left’s absence I suggest we simply make it a virtue of the remaining free.

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  • Martin Hanson

    Whilst I strongly agree with the thrust of the article, it is regrettable to say the least that Mr Murray demonstrates his lack of education by using the phrase ‘this phenomena’.

  • angeldust83

    If only I have the super power to wipe out all Muslims I would in a blink of an eye.

    • http://twitter.com/Foteviken Jonas

      Charming:)

  • Raymond Rose

    all wars all terror activities come from the jesuit priests from rome vatican all plots against muslim or islam or christian is proper gander to destroy cultures , nations, create wars between factions, so vatican under UN can send in its dogs called nato
    to destroy there nation, to create a NWO, one government controlling people ,taxes, the bank supplies money to buy weapons both sides , to start wars ,the vatican owns the largest shares in weaponary and supplies . making $billions from death.,then takes what ever valuables from the treasuries of that government., like a supper tanker of gold from IRAQI war ?financed by british bank via vatican loans ?IRAN has mega gold sores ,and oil reserves ,The vatican sends in UN claiming terrorists, orders USA military to destroy , take control , media prints proper gander.?lies. vatican has caused all wars for past 1800 years as world control of elite plan . the terrorist of the world are the evil vatican jesuit priests,a false church collecting tithes under name of christian god called jesus ?but does not represent god of life the vatican worship is demon from the under world satanic rituals.worshiping a god on a cross a image of the death of the living god ?if he was shot they would worship a gun like a criminal exicuted ?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Simon-Fay/1127268875 Simon Fay

    21st C Voltaire wearing a wrist-band and with an eye on his career-trajectory: “I secretly agree with what you say but I will defend to your death my right not to have to stand by you”.

  • Simon Morgan

    Le Montage in Sydney was to host a presentation by Geert Wilders on the 22nd. They have just renegged on the deal, in breach of the contract. Another case of sickening PC and cowardice for which I hope they pay dearly in the pocket.

  • Daniel Maris

    A brilliant article Douglas. Do journalists have a collective death wish? They certainly display no solidarity.

    Voltaire should rule: we don’t have to agree with Lars to want him to stay alive.

    Finally,it should be possible for people to produce anti-Islamic journals, just as they should be able to produce anti-Scientologist journals, anti-Christian, and anti-Buddhist journals…or indeed anti-any other religion you care to mention.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

      Voltaire saw Mohammed as tyrant and dictator. Rousseau (who we might regard as the founder of socialism) admired the Profit of 20%.

  • FrankS

    The attempted murder of Lars Hedegaard is the extreme end of censorship.
    But I think a more widespread form of censorship is the fear of being seen to be “out of step” with the prevailing “progressive” orthodoxy.

    • Daniel Maris

      …and also the fear of being slandered as an intolerant racist (even though your Hindu and African neighbours with whom you get on really well tell you that they agree with you about Sharia).

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

        As do my buddhist friends. Want to hear buddhists start talking positively about genocide? Get them talking about islam in Sri Lanka, Thailand, Burma.

  • MikeF

    “I know that a certain type of otherwise ‘brave’ journalist gets the
    heebie-jeebies thinking they might be even within a million miles of
    defending anyone who was once near a courtroom on speech-crime charges.” Parentheses very properly around the word ‘brave’ – and very properly because the individuals involved are self-serving cowards devoid of principle – but none around the term ‘speech-crime’. Do you believe such a concept is valid and that there should be ‘speech-crimes’? If so that would sit rather oddly with the rest of your article.If not then please don’t employ this sort of pernicious, mock-analytical drivel as if it were acceptable use of language.

  • michael Burd

    Unfortunately Muslims have everyone around the world running scared. Geert Wilders is due to visit Australia in the next few weeks .Already the scare campaign from the Muslims and their left wing supporters has forced the owners of the venue to pull out last minute . and anyone else that dare criticizes the Religion of Peace. Even if you were to say it was 20 Muslims that carried out the atrocities of 9/11 you would be accused of Islmamophbia
    The left wing press headed by The Guardians Australian sister papers Fairfax”s The Age , Sydney Morning Herald and Canberra Times is running a hate campaign against Wilders. These news papers have Muslim and Palestinian activists as staff journalists, of course what they write on the Middle East and Islamic issues is completely fair and balanced. { tongue in cheek]

    The only journalist in UK with any balls is Melanie Phillips all the rest are Arabists , mostly anti- Semites who usually use Israel as their excuse to bash Jews and completely subservient to the Muslims .

    Uk Is stuffed and Australia is heading in the same direction.

    • Reborn

      the UK is stuffed alright.
      Muslims are often reasonable immigrants & ex Muslims are better still.
      If the Mafia, North Korea, Christian extremists, the Kray Gang, or whatever, openly threatened to murder any Westerner who criticised them.
      If such threats emanated from within Europe By gangs holding European citizenship.
      Would governments act as the UK one has ?
      Ie bringing very few prosections & permitting, even funding, schools where children can be inculcated with anti semitism, homophobia, misogyny, contempt for the UK.
      Would it be virtually criminal & certainly personally dangerous to tcritise such thugs ?
      I’m waiting for just one prosecution for female genital mutilation.

    • Daniel Maris

      Wrong, Melanie Phillips always claims as does Saladin that Islam is a peaceable personal belief system that has been hijacked by extremists. She’s very weak on this subject in fact. She adopts the official Israeli line on Islam. I came to the view she is much more interested in supporting Israel rather than exposing Sharia.

  • Abbar, Saladin

    The right to freedom includes the right to be free to tell the truth. ( Prophit Muhammed ) PBU

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

      How strange, then, that the Profit of 20% had so many of his critics assassinated.

      http://www.muslimhope.com/Assassinations.htm

      Or are you saying that only islam is the truth, therefore muslims should always be free to speak their hatred and supremacism, whilst the critics should be assassinated? I am reminded of Anjem Choudary saying that the non-muslims who died on 7/7 were not innocent (they had heard of islam and had not converted, therefore in islam they deserved to die). We must always be on the lookout for muslim double-speak. Mohammed encouraged his followers to lie in order to advance islam.

  • Abbar, Saladin

    The Quran says: “[005:032] On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person – it be murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.”

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

      The above is a lie and a deliberate distortion. My refutation is awaiting moderator approval.

    • madge hirsch

      Why don’t you quote the next bit -you know the bit about crucifixion and cutting off hands and feet. Afraid you’ll offend our sensibilities? Some of us HAVE read the Koran and are aware of all the nastiness that it contains so when you quote us from the few nicer bits we are not impressed.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

        NB. The misrepresentations of this muslim are worse than that. He has deliberately misquoted this verse! It should be “…slew a person – UNLESS it be murder or for spreading mischief…”

      • Daniel Maris

        You beat me to it.

        Let’s hear the next verse.

        That’s the problem for propagandists of the Prophet (PBUH and only the person who says it knows what they mean by that abbreviation, though obviously everyone knows what they would like it to mean) – we now have the internet and can look up the original texts. Too bad for them. We are now in a modern era of debate.

    • John

      Oh spare me! I fear, Mr Abbar, that you are so inculcated with Islam, that you are no longer capable of speaking the truth.

      Be honest and give us the other half of that warm,fuzzy (and quite worn-out) quote, will ya?

      It’s no longer the 90s; you’re threadbare.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Van-Grungy/100000069253213 Van Grungy

      only muslims are considered ‘people’ in islam

    • Daniel Maris

      And here’s the next lovely verse:

      “The punishment of those who wage war against God and His Apostle, and strive
      with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion,
      or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the
      land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in
      the Hereafter;”

      Nice guy.

    • Trofim

      Listen Mr Abbar, I am the final prophet! An angel just came to my front door and said “Trofim, you are Allah’s final prophet. Allah has decided that appointing that Mohammed bloke was a bad PR move. So he has asked me to let you know that you are the new final prophet”. He’s is coming back tomorrow evening. He’s going to dictate Allah’s will to me, and I’m going to record it using Windows Sound Recorder! When I’ve finished I’m going to call it The Narok and publish it in mp3 format. Oh, and the angel told me Allah’s favourite dish is a bacon sandwic, and he’s going to make bacon compulsory! Good old Allah! He’s a new Allah, a better one. The old Allah has had to take early retirement.

  • Abbar, Saladin

    {And serve Allah. Ascribe nothing as partner unto Him. (Show) kindness unto parents, and unto near kindred, and orphans, and the needy, and into the neighbor who is of kin (unto you) and the neighbor who is not of kin and the fellow traveller and the wayfarer and (the slaves) whom your right hands possess. Lo! Allah loveth not such as are proud and boastful.] (the Quran, An-Nisaa’ 4:36)

    • Overleaf

      So owning slaves is OK according to the Quran, as long as you are kind to the slave? Allah must be a racist then.

      And what makes you think Allah doesn’t have a “partner”? Any proof?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

      Charity is supposedly one of the 5 pillars of islam (Jihad is the 6th pillar). Yet charity in islam is ONLY to be given to other muslims. That is demonstrable by examining the accounts of The Red Cross (and Red Crescent). The entire muslim world donates less to the IRCRC than Singapore does. All that oil wealth in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, etc. and a country with no natural resources (and no state religion prescribing charity) manages to donate more money to help mankind.

  • Abbar, Saladin

    As a Muslim, My advise is that you go on and spend some time reading the Quran, Islam is in a war with the anti’s, the enemy of Islam would use any means possible to dis-honer this great religion and the founder, a great man. the enemy would even go to committing atrocities in the name of Islam just to create the fear of a great way of Life. don’t take my word for it research it yourself. over 1. billion people are Muslims, all walks of life, PhD holders, Doctors, engineers, artists etc, so how bad is Islam. One thing for sure the law set forth by Islam and the founder is that killing a sole is a crime equal to killing all of humanity, and god will never forgive a killer. ( Quran ). the real threat to the enemies of Islam lies in this unity of near one third of the world population, we all pray five times a day, we have one version of the Quran not lost count testaments, we all have one God, we all honor Muhammad ( Peace be upon Him ), we all honor Jesus (Peace be upon Him) and Moses (Peace be upon Him). and more important we all believe that Islam is God’s religion and God is greater than all conspirators. and all may be surprised to learn that Muslims believe that Jesus is alive and will be coming to earth to bring humanity back to its sense and bring the word of God to the lost humanity. may Allah ( God ) bless him and peace be upon him. finally just use your minds not your hate and rejection of anything that seems different from your ideologies. May Allah bless Humanity and bring his eternal peace to us all.

    • ifitquackslikeaduck

      Islam, as they say, has bloody borders. The news is full of nothing but murder and mayhem perpetrated by Muslims on Muslims and others, in the name of Islam. Lebanon, Syria, the Philippines, Mali, Tunisia, Egypt, Afghanistan, Pakistan, on and on and on, Just this morning’s news and From Our Own Correspondent will do. How you can say that such people believe “killing a sole [soul I presume] is a crime equal to killing all of humanity” is beyond me. Yes there are millions of religious and yet tolerant and well-intentioned Muslims around the world. Your time would be better spent persuading them to strike at the cancer that is among them.

      • Daniel Maris

        Very, very true.

        • Abbar, Saladin

          Spanish Inquisition,Hiroshima, Sabre and Shatila, Ghaza, Afghanistan, first and second world wars, nukes, missiles, drones, and the list goes on….
          in your view world peace is world in pieces,,,,

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

            You worship a man who beheaded 700 jewish men & boys in one day. Then he sold the women and surviving children as slaves. Do NOT give us any lectures on morality.

            • Abbar, Saladin

              LIES, never this happened, not sure where your getting your info from.

              and we do not worship a MAN, we worship one GOD, creator of all including the MAN you mentioned. and yourself too, unfortunately, or maybe GOD did not create you, you were just an accident from an unknown nature.
              Peter, get some education, learn the true facts of Islam you may find that you were wrong, or just give the tiniest chance that I could be right and you are wrong. can you just think just for one second that this Quran has something worth reading from the heart, or millions of Muslims are stupid and dumb, I am neither stupid nor dumb, but it looks like alot of you are.

              • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

                I do not lie. I read YOUR “holy” books. Clearly you do not read them. Either you have not read Ibn Ishaq/Hisham/Tabari (in which case you are ignorant) or you have read them (in which case you are a liar). Which is it?

                You can deny it as much as you like. You worship Mohammed. You aren’t allowed to portray an image of “god”, and you don’t allow images of Mohammed.

                “can you just think just for one second that this Quran has something
                worth reading from the heart, or millions of Muslims are stupid and dumb” Even in Britain a large proportion of muslims believe that any muslim who leaves islam is to be killed. Of course this means that most muslims are incapable of criticising islam. They will be ostracised at best, or even killed for it.

    • Overleaf

      What happens to those who don’t believe in your religion and your silly God? When you kill the infidel or the apostate or the atheist, aren’t you killing the whole people?

      Or do Islamics have redder blood?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

      ” the law set forth by Islam and the founder is that killing a sole is a
      crime equal to killing all of humanity, and god will never forgive a
      killer”

      Really? The islamic calendar does not start with the birth of Mohammed (as the christian and buddhist calendars do, starting from the year of birth of their figureheads). The islamic calendar begins from the time that the Profit of 20%’s imaginary friend “allah” told him to start murdering his enemies.

      In the first 10 years when the tolerant multicultural Meccans put up with Mo denouncing their religion, he only got 150 followers. Once he began to make murder, genocide, rape, and robbery “holy”, Mohammed got 10000 followers in 10 years. It is a religion that grew by appealing to the most evil parts of human nature.

      Ibn Ishaq’s “Life of Mohammed” records he beheaded 700 jews in one day, and sold their women and children off as slaves. It shamelessly records the critics of islam who were assassinated by his henchmen. It proudly records the number of battles he fought.

      Manuals of sharia law (e.g. The Reliance of the Traveller), available in British libraries and online as a free PDF, mandate killing for many “offences”.

      You are simply lying about islam.

      • Daniel Maris

        Yep, I think that’s fair comment. The religion really appeals to the lowest common denominator all along the line.

      • Abbar, Saladin

        Spanish Inquisition,Hiroshima, Sabre and Shatila, Ghaza, Afghanistan, first and second world wars, nukes, missiles, drones, and the list goes on….
        in your view world peace is world in pieces,,,,
        why not read the whole book and see if you make it what you have been told by jews that it is like this… have a mind wake up and find facts for yourself.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

          Islam is toxic. Christianity endured 400 years of jihad, before it responded in kind with The Crusades. And our response was pathetic – a mere 9 Crusades compared with 540 islamic Crusades. Islam corrupts. Wackademics in the west say things like “it is unimaginable that Pope Urban could convert christianity into a militaristic religion”. It is not “unimaginable” when the church realised that the islamic Borg was never going to stop. It is like The Terminator. Without The Crusades, we would be hanging homosexuals from cranes, just like they do in Iran.

          The Spanish Inquisition was also the result of the islamic invasion of Spain (it was how they were rooting out who was a true christian and who was a potential muslim traitor). It took the Spanish christians 700 years to drive the islamic monsters from Spain.

          The greatest genocide in history was the islamic invasion of India. That is quite some record for “The Religion of Peace”. 70 million were massacred.

        • adamber

          I wondered how long it would be before you blamed Jews – thanks for proving the point. You are part of a racist toxic ideology.

    • jaded jade

      islam honours jesus as a prophet. over 2 billion christians honour him
      as the son of god. isalms jesus is alive and will be coming back to
      earth to convert everyone to islam and slaughter all who refuse.
      christians jesus is alive and will be coming back to earth to convert
      everyone to christianity and slaughter all who refuse. it is quite
      obvious these to jesus can not possibly be the same person

      • jaded jade

        i forgot to ask, does your over 1 billion muslims include the people who
        are afraid to say they aren’t muslims for fear of being murdered?

    • John

      But Mr Abbar, the muslim world is an abject failure on just about every front. You lag far, FAR behind the rest of the world in in every last field of human endevour, be it science, physics, astronomy, art, music, technology, quantum theory…or…or… widget-manufacturing. We can only judge islam and its founder based on that bitter fruit, that utterly unique and exceptional lack of productivity.

      Those imperialist muslim armies of occupation took what were for millenia…Egypt, The Fertile Crescent, North Africa, Persia…the wealthiest and most enlightened regions of the globe and in short order turned them into failed economic and intellectual backwaters we still see today.

      Where there are only lies, there can never be any real accomplishments.

      And where there are only lies and deceptions, honest self-examination and self- criticism, the starting point for all progress and developement, can never, ever take place.

      May Allah get lost and leave humanity in peace

      That is the truth

      • Abbar, Saladin

        when EU and the rest of the world was in the dark ages,
        setting fire to witches, and not knowing if the earth was round or square, and
        the writers of literature were killed for their thoughts, Islam was providing humanity with most of what you have mentioned, Algebra, Astronomy, medical advances used to this day, physics, chemistry, ( you did not even know anything about anything) so ignorant your ancestors were that they killed each other for any little quarrels. however, Islam did not give you Nukes, and missiles, and any means to destroy . what a comparison, who long do you thing earth will last given your advanced technological discoveries and adventures. ( Mark your own words about who should get lost ) your creator or the created.
        go worship a corss made of gold.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

          Islam created almost no new knowledge. Islam plundered and destroyed. The science and thought (from Persia and India) that was not destroyed was then passed off as “islamic”, when it was nothing of the kind. Even the famed “Arabic numerals” are in fact “Indian numerals”.

          In 1197 muslims burned to the ground the buddhist university at Nalanda. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalanda

          The library at Nalanda took 3 months to burn. That University had existed for 150 years before Mohammed was born, and when it was destroyed by muslims, you could still smell the paint drying at the very first university in Europe (at Bologna). Buddhist thought has been on life-support ever since.

    • Daniel Maris

      Er – most of us here have read the Koran and can tell either (a) you haven’t or (b) you are giving us the edited highlights to make it look good.

      Why not give us the bit where Mohammed suddenly gets the divine revelation that it’s OK to marry your nephew’s wife or whatever the amazing revelation was? That will really convince us of his prophet status.

      And no, you don’t honour Jesus. When was the last time a Muslim got upset about mockery of Jesus in the UK?

      • Abbar, Saladin

        Have you really read it, if you had, you would know
        better.
        have a life, get your own opinion of matters, do not take
        jewish media war against us. most terror so called Muslim groups are led by mosad, and enemies of Islam. just have a look who heads most media organizations and then let me know how you feel. who is the world famous movie actors, producers, directors, and then ask why we think this way. my friends we are the victims of misleading media war.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

          Doesn’t take long for the islamo-nazi to pop out does it?

          You want to get people to ONLY pay attention to the koran, thinking that most of Mohammed’s evil is concealed by that. However, islam is nothing without the sira and the hadiths. You cannot even determine when it is Ramadan based on the koran alone. So, your obsessing with the koran is another deception on your part.

          The Profit of 20% beheaded 700 jews in one day, then sold the women & children off as slaves. Here’s a whole list of the people killed by Mohammed. http://www.answeringinfidels.com/answering-infidels/answering-muslims/murdered-by-muhammad.html

          And good muslims are supposed to emulate Mohammed as closely as possible.

          But even if we stick to the koran, verse 9:5 says “kill the unbelievers were ever you find them”.

          Since islam ushered in 1300 years of jihad (and there are muslims all over the world killing non-muslims on a daily basis in emulation of Mohammed), islam must be banned.

          • adamber

            Petra, he thinks you’re listing Islam’s highpoints.He sees nothing wrong with what you’re saying.
            I don’t think he’s too bright – trying to tell people how Islam is all light and peace, then launching into his racist diatribes against Jewish people.

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

              Over on another debate at The Telegraph a similar islamo-nazi is accusing me of being a jew. The closest I’ve got to being jewish is eating the occasional smoked salmon beigel. I suppose I should take it as a compliment – they must think only jews are knowledgeable.

              • adamber

                Not a surprise – on the previous blog about Mr Hedegaard,Damocles is accusing me of being a Jew (I would regard it a compliment rather than the insult he seems to think it is), although I have told him I’m not. The hatred is always just under the surface – scratch a bit, and out it comes.

        • adamber

          Abbar, your antisemitism shoots down your whole argument. You are simply Jew hating scum.

          • Abbar, Saladin

            Quran 2:47 “Children of Israel! Call to mind the favor which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all other nations”

            • adamber

              Abbar, you are a Jew hater. Go to a neo-Nazi website – you’ll get a more receptive audience.

              • Daniel Maris

                Yes, remind them how the Grand Mufti was a one of the Nazis’ “blue sky” thinkers, urging them to get on with mass murder of the Jews. That’s the Grand Mufti – the nearest equivalent of the Pope – urging mass murder within living memory, not back in the Dark Ages. But, no doubt, Abbar sees nothing amiss.

                • adamber

                  No doubt, Abbar will say it’s all part of a Jewish owned media con (whilst denying he’s a racist antisemite). The Grand Mufti who spent the war in Berlin, toured the death camps and urged Hitler to speed up the genocide of the Jews, whilst setting up Muslim SS units in Yugoslavia and drawing up plans for the extermination of the Jews in the Middle East (he even had plans for a death camp in Nablus) – is the victim of Jewish misrepresentation!
                  The conspiracy theories of these loons explains it all.

          • Abbar, Saladin

            2:62 Those who believe (in the Qur’an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

            • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

              “on them shall be no fear”

              Yet Mohammed declared war on them. He massacred them or turned them into serfs. How do you explain the islamic invasion of Spain? How about the 540 wars against christian europe. You muslims bitch on and on about the Israelis as “zionist occupiers”, yet you

            • adamber

              Funny then that you are so happy to indulge in racist conspiracy theories against Jews. Utter hypocrite.

          • Abbar, Saladin

            . (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: “We are sons of God, and his
            beloved.” Say: “Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to God belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)”

        • adamber

          You epitomise eveything wrong with the Islamic world, riddled with conspiracy theories, antisemitism, and a comic lack of self awareness.

          • Abbar, Saladin

            The Quran addressing Prophet Muhammed PBU , Quran 46:9 Say: “I am no bringer of new-fangled doctrine among the apostles, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. God is the ONLY one who can judge humans”

    • Augustus

      No doubt Muslims revere Mohammed not just as a Prophet, a Messenger of God to
      humanity, but also as a beloved father-figure, greatly admired and adored. However, what you people fail to recognize is that the rest of the world does not share those opinions and has the
      right to disagree with those beliefs. At best, non-Muslims consider Mohammed a mere historical figure who laid the
      foundation of the first-ever Arab empire in the 7th and 8th centuries. At worst,
      Islam’s critics consider Mohammed to be a false prophet who introduced warfare
      as part of the practice of Islam, and whose followers conquered the lands of
      Christianity and Zoroastrianism, massacred Jews, Hindus and Sikhs. These critics
      maintain contemporary Muslims are also following the same path of armed or
      civilizational jihad. The world’s saner elements may not say so on the record, but they are left
      angered, wondering how to deal with the sheer madness that unfolds every time
      Muslims sensibilities are offended. And getting offended, it seems, is the most
      identifiable attribute of your Muslim brothers. Next time you pray to your Allah, please do us all a favour, pray for divine intervention to put your Muslim ummah in a medically induced coma so that the source of this spasmodic
      convulsion that makes you behave as the world’s most irrational people can be
      excised from your souls. For only God can help you Muslims from yourselves.

  • Sean L

    Reading this reminds me of an experience in Estonia a few years ago as part of a group of four from London. Working for a Swedish software company with an office in Tallin, we were spending a week there on a training course. One of our party was Islamic and wore the veil. I couldn’t believe how our Estonian colleagues/hosts bent to her every whim. She was consulted about our choice of restaurant every evening and no one could drink at the table in her presence, even though in a London restaurant at a company outing the previous week she never batted an eyelid at the beers and wines all over the table. But she was merely taking advantage of her privileged status as a source of fascination and you could hardly blame her given their fawning attitude. I suppose they were just being hospitable. Similarly I’ve always found Arabs to be remarkably hospitable whenever I’ve been their guest. But elsewhere native hospitality now appears to have morphed into cutural suicide. Otherwise I didn’t notice any Islamic presence in Estonia, or any immigrant population at all, the only other ethnic group there being the Russians.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

      Supremacists think that the unter-menschen fawning on them is proof of their superiority. Refusing to acknowledge their superiority is a sign you are victimising them. It is there on every other page of the koran.

  • Jillian Becker

    Apologies. I read too quickly. I now see that Douglas Murray does acknowledge Mark Steyn’s condemnation of the murder attempt.

    • ifitquackslikeaduck

      🙂

  • Jillian Becker

    As a great admirer of Douglas Murray, I gently offer one small correction. Mark Steyn HAS written with disgust about the failed murder attempt on Lars Hedegaard:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/339973/when-assassin-calls-mark-steyn

    • ifitquackslikeaduck

      He did say that above, in the third paragraph.

  • letmethink

    It’s because our sh*tbag media believes exactly what Ban Ki-Moon thinks: –

    “Freedoms of expression should be and must be guaranteed and protected, when they are used for common justice, common purpose,”

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/19/us-protests-un-idUSBRE88I1CW20120919

  • http://www.facebook.com/les.webster.71 Les Webster

    political and media cowardice are the best weapons jihadists will ever have……not that jihadists are actually muslim…….they are wahabi…..funded mainly by saudi arabia and that does suggest a way people can defend themselves against such fanatics without the apologists even noticing……i will have to read this newspaper i think……i like to make my own mind up

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

      Mohammed said “I was made victorious through terror”.

      I suggest you read Fregosi’s book “Jihad in the West” to see that there had been unbroken jihad for 1000 years before the birth of Mohammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab. The jihad against Europe had a hiatus following the siege of Vienna in 1683. Wahhabis want to return to that 1000 years of jihad. But they didn’t invent jihad. They just want to see the original project of Mohammed continued.

      The Wahhabis have extensive theological and historical grounds for their terrorism and jihad. http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes_Terrorism.Islam It is the muslims who deny the life of Mohammed who have no theological basis for their religion. They are either ignorant or they are deceivers.

  • Fergus Pickering

    Keep it up, Mr Murray. What you say matters which is more than I can say for most journalism around the place.

  • andy_gill

    I think you are right. The mainstream media are in mortal fear of Islam. With good reason actually. However, cowardly appeasement and a failure to speak out is the worst possible option. Blackmailers don’t stop when the victim pays up. On the contrary they become more and more demanding.

    Only by standing up to the Islamic bully boys can we protect our liberties. ANd frankly if we can’t even do that, we don’t deserve those libertiesn

    • Overleaf

      The bully boys of Islam are generally not Muslims. They are the cultural leftwing middle class Europeans who never heard of the Enlightenment, and who hate the west, for any number of silly and deficient reasons.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

        Are you saying that the 200 muslims who marched through Manchester in 1989, promising to kill Salman Rushdie, were not muslims? The muslims convicted for the attack on the WTC in the 1990s were not muslims? That the muslims who left the video of their actions on 7/7 were not muslims? That the assassin of Theo van Gogh was not a muslim?

        • Overleaf

          Of course. But who enables Islamism in America and Europe?

          It is the socialists and “Autonomous” Left that hates the guts of liberal-democracy (because it is capitalistic) and will go to bed with Islamic reaction in order to destroy the west from within.

          Rushdie’s biggest attackers were feminists, socialists, leftists. Germaine Greer, John Le Carre, etc. This is far more dangerous than bringing down the twin towers.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

            The Left and Muslims are collectivists. But let’s not fool ourselves, the Tories (and capitalists) in Britain have been very happy to encourage the immigration of muslims (and other immigrants) in order to keep the wages of the indigenous working-class low.

            It was the Tories who ran the GLC in the 1970s, and colluded with muslims in east London to give Tower Hamlets to muslims. There was an Open University documentary about it on TV last year. The retired Tories from that era were on that programme proudly boasting of the ghetto they created in Tower Hamlets.

            • Reborn

              I agree 100% Petra Thompson.
              Our politicians, with about 10% exceptions, despise us.
              Having inflicted us with uncontrolled immigration & multiculuralism,
              short of bombing the poorer areas I don’t see how they could hurt the
              proletariat more. Now the middle classes are starting to see their futures threatened by Third World religious values, plus acute problems in housing, NHS & education.
              I have several good friends from immigrant stock, including Pakistan & India as well as the Caribbean. Most of the East Europeans I meet are charming & welcome. But, they tend to agree that things have got out of hand in the last decade, & that Islam has no place in Europe.
              The lady who feels this most strongly is a non observant muslim.

        • Abbar, Saladin

          With Hollywood, and few gadgets I can make the Pope responsible for WTC, and add another episode that the Pope was Muslim too in secrete. Ask any pilot if he could hit the second WTC tower on first go. This was the doings of much more advanced bunch than few pilot trainees.
          I am a Muslim a true one, and I and All true Muslims deplore the killing of civilians, Islam forbids this in the strongest way. And I as all Muslims are disgusted by the actions of people who claim to be Muslims, maybe they are, but who is giving them those ideas, beats me. 7/7 or any other murder, in Islam this called MURDER and nothing else.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

            “I and All true Muslims deplore the killing of civilians, Islam forbids this in the strongest way.”

            How do you explain the more than 1 million christian europeans who were taken as slaves by violent muslims? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Christian-Slaves-Muslim-Masters-Mediterranean/dp/1403945519 How do you explain the endless jihadist wars against Europe, Africa, the near east and India? Were these jihadis not muslims?

            Afghanistan used to be a Hindu/Buddhist country. Turkey was a christian country. Look at them now. Where have christians, jews, hindus or buddhists invaded muslim countries and forced them to leave islam?

            • Abbar, Saladin

              You may ask them how they became Muslims,

              one mention of a proverb in Arabic, that says, ( you can force an animal to the water, but you can never make it drink).

              Peter,
              I am stopping this senseless discussion as I think I am talking to someone who thinks he is God himself. arrogance, ignorance and fake words. Islam is Great and will remain Great no matter what you say or do. we believe that we are Muslims and God help us to bring you to understand that we are not criminals like you make us to be. we are Humans and respect humanity and most important we have great
              respect to you and your beliefs, this can not be said about your thniking about us.
              and when you mentinon Jesus Please use the Muslim words of ( Peace be Upon Him ) this is a rule in Islam RESPECT.

              • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

                “when you mentinon Jesus Please use the Muslim words of ( Peace be Upon Him ) this is a rule in Islam RESPECT”

                As far as christianity is concerned, islam is heresy. So don’t go trying to impose your rules on us. Your rules mean nothing to me. But they prove that you are not only a jew-hater, but you are an islamic supremacist.

                • Daniel Maris

                  Well done Petra. Once again we see that an apologist for Sharia eventually has to depart the debating chamber as an opponent exposes the historical and present reality of his belief system to the light of enquiry.

                  There is much more that could have been said, but you saw him off with economy.

                • http://twitter.com/WholeLottaSusie Sue Ward

                  Nicely put. Go Petra!

              • Babs

                (Typical of the Muslim bested in argument by a more intelligent kufar – scuttle away then…)

          • Daniel Maris

            How convenient: you avoid having to condemn 9/11 because it was carried out by Mossad/CIA/fill in the blank.

          • Babs

            Yet why do you not influence your whack-brained religious leaders, high on their own self-importance not to be such barbarians? It’s not enough to deplore something and do nothing to stop it.

          • adamber

            What a piece of crap you are. Your comments are offensive in the extreme.

      • John

        Excuse me, but Islam’s very founder could well be considered a bully boy.

        And he’s the model all muslims, or at least the males, are called to emulate.

        • Daniel Maris

          Killing POWs in a ditch is generally considered bully boy behaviour. 🙂

          As is having people who take the p*** out of you murdered.

        • Overleaf

          Mohammad is somewhere down there schmoozing with Hitler, Stalin, and Chengiz Khan. But his enablers in the West (and M.E.) are mostly socialists, commies, and Leftists.

      • Babs

        And are only too willing to be Islam’s useful infidels.

  • Augustus

    “Two years ago Lars was outrageously put on trial in Denmark for discussing honour killings in his own home.”

    This was the classic cry of the appeaser throughout history. Don’t talk about the bad things other people do or they’re likely to do even more bad things. People in the West feeling an antipathy to Muslims is not the moral equivalent of Muslims feeling an antipathy to Jews and gays, for example. Why? Because the first is purely defensive. It amounts to saying that we would be better off without Muslims, which, based on objective data, we undoubtedly would. The antipathy felt by the Muslims, however, is just one small aspect of the many strands of ugliness they have introduced into our society. It is like making a moral judgement about a fight you see on the street based on how hard the punches thrown by each participant are. Of course that has nothing to do with the rights or wrongs of it. Any serious moral judgement about the fight has to be based on who the aggressor is and who is the one defending himself. Muslim prejudice is aggressive, while Western hostility to Muslims (which should really be called postjudice since it is a judgement after the fact based on the evidence) is purely defensive.

    What’s missing in the accepted moral canons of the modern world is a sense of place, a sense that people acquire a special moral entitlement to a specific territory by virtue of living there for a long time and building a successful society there. The modern ideology of human rights takes no account of this. For that reason, it is unable to make a distinction between offence and defence and simply lumps them altogether under the rubric of ‘intolerance’.

    • AY
    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

      “The modern ideology of human rights takes no account of this.”

      The UN Declaration of Human Rights has been rejected by all the muslim states on earth. In its place they have endorsed the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights. The latter is nothing more than sharia law. Muslims cannot honestly endorse universal human rights, because the UN Declaration outlaws slavery, and under islamic law slavery is legal. See Sultan Tabandeh’s “A Muslim Commentary on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights”.

      • Abbar, Saladin

        I remind you of the Famous words of Omar Khattab, Ameer of all Muslims back in the EU dark ages, 1400 years ago, he said ( How do people enslave people when they were born free ). one of most common redemption acts by a Muslim back then is to free slaves. (Quran) says, ( All men are equal in the eyes of God only there deeds distinguish the good from the bad). go read and research from the Muslim books not the haters libraries and they so many those days. and ask where did all the Blacks in USA Europe come from????. other than Muslims Women had no rights until early in the 20th century. Islam gave women all rights 1400 years ago. Hijab? ask your nuns why they put on similar to Hijab dress. go read the Law of inheritances in Islam and see how women had their rights protected when in the west they only recently had their rights given to them. Islam is great and will remain great no matter what you say or do… may Allah bless you with peace and help you whiten your heart.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

          More lies and distortion. I suggest you read “Islam’s Black Slaves” where the consensus of academic opinion is that muslims enslaved as many black Africans as did the Atlantic slave trade. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Islams-Black-Slaves-History-Diaspora/dp/1903809819

          The USA has plenty of black people who are descedents of those Africans shipped there as slaves. Where are the black descendents of those Africans taken to Saudi Arabia, Turkey, etc? Nowhere to be seen. Muslims enganged not just in slavery (of blacks and whites and Indians) but also in eugenics & genocide of those slaves and their offspring.

          The academics assess that the number of black africans who died en route to the slave markets was far, far higher than those who died on the Atlantic route.

          When Britain decided to destroy the trade in black Africans in the 19th century, the muslim world massively INCREASED the number of slaves it took. A UN report on slavery in 1951 said that 1 in 20 of the population of Saudi Arabia and Yemen were still slaves. How could this be when you claim that islam was opposed to slavery?

          In “The LIfe of Mohammed”, the Profit of 20% himself sold off the wives and children of the enemies of islam who were massacred after battles. Anyone can go and read that for themselves (see p.189 of the following online book): http://www.scribd.com/doc/27156626/The-Earliest-Biography-of-Muhammad-By-Ibn-Ishaq

          It is sunnah in islam to take people as slaves and sell them. Jesus never did that. Buddha never did that. Islam is nothing like christianity or buddhism.

          • Yellowhouse

            “where are the black descendants . . .”

            Exactly. They castrated the men and killed/enslaved the children.

            • Reborn

              The excellent book White Gold gave the history of up to one million
              “Christian slaves” who worked over the 17th century in Morocco alone.
              Muslim arabs were the the supreme slavers & slave wholesalers.
              Right up to the early 20th century
              Another inconvenient truth that is steadily being erased from the history books & has not been discussed by guilt ridden Europeans in
              decades.

              • Abbar, Saladin

                what happened to American Black slaves. ? I wonder?

                • Reborn

                  They were freed in the 19th century.
                  Some of their descendants have become internationally famous entertainers & sportsmen & women.
                  Others have risen to high levels in the military & business.
                  The current president, is not a descendent of slaves, but is seen as black.
                  In the muslim world today there are plenty of de facto slaves, & of course women are treated abominably, valued at 50% of a man.
                  It would be interesting to see how many muslim women achieve similar goals.
                  In the Dark Ages, islamic civilisation had its uses & was ahead of the West.
                  For many hundreds of years the islamic civilisations have produced little of worth morally or intellectually (though they have the cheek to call Indian Hindu numerals “arabic”.
                  Apart from the worthless Peace Prize, I can think of few muslims who have achieved Nobel Laureate status.
                  There was one excellent chap, Bangladeshi I think, who devised a type of banking that would help poor women.
                  Naturally the islamic authorities were appalled & put a fatwa on the idea.

                • Abbar, Saladin

                  you think for one minute that you are right, you must be so unedcutaed in Algebra, Physics, Astronomy, Etc to understand that the fact is All of the Modern sience with very few exeptions are attributed to Muslim scholars. including your numbers.try multiplication with your latin numbers and see if you can master the sience of mathmatics in Latin.. just give credit where it belongs.

                • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

                  Even your “arabic numerals” were stolen from India. Islamic science is a contradiciton in terms.

                • Babs

                  Very true. In order to conduct scientific experiments one has to be curious about cause and effect. Since Islam believes that only its allah can affect and attribute cause, scientific enquiry for Muslims was nonsensical, because critical thinking and questioning was forbidden

                • Reborn

                  The numbers to which you refer are HINDU, taken back by Arab invaders.
                  As for algebra, it was developed by Arabs hundreds of years before Islam was invented.
                  A good comedian knows how to leave the audience wanting more.
                  Your impersonation of a simple Arab idiot is quite funny, but is getting tiresome.
                  Not all muslims are brainwashed fools & I look forward to the development of a reformed Islam in Europe.
                  Just as we developed, (at massive loss of life) a reformed Christianity.
                  Don’t ridicule muslims as idiots, point out their many errors politely.

                • http://twitter.com/Slickepelle Jonas

                  Haha, you silly thing. Science is a cumulative and joint effort. If you remember the UN-report from the previous decade saying that more books get translated to Spanish in one year than has been translated into Arabic since the 8th century, maybe you could begin to grasp the muslim backwardness. They are utterly and totally of the grid. One scientific thesis from the western world was translated in the Ottoman empire in the 1800:s, and it was a thesis about possible cures for syphilis… It continues to this day. In 2008 Israeli inventors applied to register 9591 new patents. What about the muslim entrepeneurs and scholars in Iran? Well, they applied to register……50.
                  Who knows, maybe this is all owing to structural discrimination and racism from the evil west. Or what is the politically correct explanation for this strange fact?

                  On this subject, I recommend Victor Davis Hanson`s article “The neurotic Middle East”: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/328978/neurotic-middle-east-victor-davis-hanson

                • Daniel Maris

                  Give us your list of “Muslim” scholars and we’ll show that many of them are in fact Jewish or Christian.

                  Islam was born in the desert, in a backward part of the world. It stole most of its science and art from other more advanced civilisation. For instance, its architecture was borrowed from the Eastern Roman Empire. Islam’s main contribution was to enforce relative peace over a wide area, which certainly had some benefits for scholars.

                • FrenchNewsonlin

                  But its all been downhill from there hasn’t it and perhaps that is the core of the problem — a corrosive inferiority complex has translated into fatwas and hate against the West.

                • Babs

                  Wrong again. All Arab/Muslim knowledge was derivative and ground to a halt when critical thinking was forbidden and learning by imitation alone became acceptable. The Muslim world committed intellectual suicide. What credit?

                • anotherjoeblogs

                  funny enough there are not many afro-americans queuing up at american airports to flee back to their roots in africa.

            • Abbar, Saladin

              you mean in the West, and US of A? ask Martin Luther he will tell you stories about slavery and race strugles.

              • Reborn

                I think you mean Martin Luther KIng

        • Reborn

          “where did all the Blacks in USA Europe come from??’

          They were bought from Arab/Muslim wholesalers, who, in turn, bought them from Africans who kidnapped them from other tribes.
          A straightforward business transaction, which the UK was the first to outlaw in the early 19th century.
          There are unknown hundreds of thousands of slaves in Africa & the islamic world today.
          None in Europe, save in the homes/embassies of certain African & Islamic persons.

          • Daniel Maris

            Wrong. Among the Europeans the French not only outlawed the slave trade but outlawed slavery itself c 1790. A full 40 years ahead of the Brits. Please don’t try to rewrite history. 🙂

          • Abbar, Saladin

            It takes two to tango, some sold and someone bought.

            • Reborn

              Wrong.
              It took three.
              1. Africans to catch the slaves
              2 Arabs to castrate males they wished to keep, & retain some women for their brothels. The rest they sold on to
              3 Final users in the West.

            • Babs

              Slavery is still countenanced, if not encouraged, in Islam, but the Muslims are not allowed to tango are they?

        • Daniel Maris

          So you are saying clearly that Mohammed was wrong to own slaves and to abuse them sexually? Please clarify. 🙂

          • Abbar, Saladin

            ohhhhhh, May God help you, you do not know the anger you have caused to God for your words, you will surely know. once you see him face to face.

            • Reborn

              Is Abbar Saladin serious, or is he some clown trying
              to kid us that muslims are idiots.
              I suspect he is not one person, but a couple of very funny, comedians.

              • Babs

                I have news for you. Saladin’s arguments are unoriginal and derivative. He at least is a fool. As for other Muslims, well I take as I find

            • http://twitter.com/WholeLottaSusie Sue Ward

              Bring it on!!

            • Babs

              God IS helping us! As you will see

        • Abbar, Saladin

          Ironic, Ibraham
          Lincoln in 1863, with the Emancipation Proclamation, abolished slavery, well my
          question is was there slavery before then in the wide world or just in Muslim
          lands. The answer is there were all over the world, it was an acceptable trade
          practice, we are as Muslims grateful for Abraham’s actions, as Islam could not abolish
          it 1400 years ago.

          I quote from the
          Quran : And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to
          earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if you know any
          good in them; yes, give them something yourselves out of the means which Allah
          has given to you. (24:33).

          And ´ [W]ith
          regard to those whom “one’s right hand possess,”(meaning Slaves) that they are merely brothers whom God has placed under one’s
          authority and they should all eat the same food and be equally clothed.
          Morever, they should not be required to do what would over-burden them,
          otherwise the one who has them himself/herself should help in such a case.
          (Osman 781-782)
          Ask how slaves were treated in Western Society befor abolishen.
          Note my research,, try to do the same when you try to appear as my equal in dicussion, do not just utter words that you know not the meaning of.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

            “Islam could not abolish it 1400 years ago.” Why not? Is it because your “god” allah approves of slavery? Muslims go on and on about Mohammed having stopped the (alleged) killing of children by the pagans in Arabia. If he could stop that, why could he not abolish slavery? He transformed arabian society — he wiped out polytheism, he wiped out christianity, he wiped out judaism. The Profit of 20% did not want to wipe out slavery because it was too useful as lure to encourage people to become muslims. That is why he is called the Profit of 20% — he kept 20% of all the booty (including slaves) that muslims took.

            It is all there in Ibn Ishaq. Mohammed has his imaginary friend “allah” make up the rules as he goes along.

          • Daniel Maris

            Just tell us: is the ownership and use of slaves for sexual purposes a horrible activity which all good people condemn, or not. Most people here know the answer. Simple yes or no will do.

      • Augustus

        Yes I know. The West is feeding the alligator, hoping to be the last to be eaten. We are losing the battle with Islam, and unless this is reversed we shall end up being its slaves. It consistently describes itself as “a religion of peace” when it has been the root cause of all the terrorism in the world since the latter part of the last century and marks the new century as one in which a war to destroy it is the only alternative to being destroyed by it.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

          It should come as no shock to you to learn that Breivik originally wanted to assassinate 100 journalists. When he couldn’t get to them, he chose a more vulnerable target.

  • cyllan2

    where is Massie……??????…..!!!!!whoooppsss!!!!, he is too worried about the israel lobby……..yeah……

    the hypocrisy is deafening

    • Daniel Maris

      Massie? That great defender of press liberty? He would need Tena Ladies Pants if he ever transgressed against the religion of peace.

  • Simon Morgan

    Yet more critics of the ‘Religion of Peace’ now have to be protected 24 hours a day. I assume the rotten Danish government has afforded Lars that protection. It’s the least they could do being enablers of the zombies that do this kind of thing. To call these cretins Bearded Apes is an insult to apes.

    • ifitquackslikeaduck

      With respect, the Danish government is far from perfect, but is far less tolerant of all these shenanigans than say Norway or Sweden. They did stand up for the right to publish the famous cartoons, and are often quick to clamp down on troublemakers.

      • http://twitter.com/Slickepelle Jonas

        True that. Let me tell you what happened in Sweden during the cartoon controversy. After realizing that no Swedish papers would publish the cartoons, not even to show solidarity with the Danish journalists with fatwas hanging over them, the conservative (and stigmatized and marginalized) party of the Sweden Democrats (SD) decided to publish them on their website. They also started a “draw Muhammed”-competition. This scared the Foreign Office and The Swedish Security Service to such an extent that they contacted the web hotel to have the Sweden Democrats` websites closed.. It was also revealed that the minister of foreign affairs, Laila Freivalds, was in on the whole thing. So much for free speech. Freivalds was also revealed as having written a letter to the foreign minister of Yemen, telling him that Swedish authorities indeed had shut down the website. A dhimmi if there ever was one. The shame of it all……

  • gamaa

    “For whom does the bell toll- it tolls for thee “ .
    The death knell of western civilization is heralded and we ignore this clarion call at our peril !

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

      The bell has been tolling for quite some time. The islamic empire has only ever lost a small amount of territory (Spain, Sicily, Israel). The nazi-inspired Muslim Brotherhood has made it clear: they demand their return to islam. They have been picking off Israel for the last 70 years. But they are already starting to make their demands for Spain. http://4freedoms.ning.com/group/imperialism/forum/topics/5-million-muslims-demand-spanish-nationality

  • Radford_NG

    Douglas Murray:……The web-site `gatesofvienna.net` on Tue 5 Feb reported the attempted murder of Lars Hedegaard;one of the first to do so.You may care to look-up this site.[ 1683 (11/12 Sept.) king Jan Sobieski of Poland came to the rescue of Vienna against the Terrible Turks:their last incursion into Chrisiandom.]

  • Hexhamgeezer

    Thank you Mr M,

    At least you and a few others are ensuring that these acts and the hypocrisy of the Left are kept in the public eye.

  • D notice Ralph

    Freedom of expression and thought is dying.

  • James Strong

    ‘hostile to Islam’.
    I do not know how anyone who has had a Western education and has made even the most cursory enquiries about the Koran, the Hadith, the Sunnah of Mohammed and the nature and structure of Islamic societies that we can see in the world today can fail to be hostile to Islam.
    If you are a reader here and are not hostile to Islam try 20- 30 minutes research on: dhimmi, jizyah, the relative rights of men and women under Islam, and the relative rights of muslims and non-muslims in an Islamic society.
    And also please try to find out about ‘taqqiyah’ because you’ll benefit from knowing about that when a muslim tells you it is the ‘Religion of Peace’.
    Do that and you too will be hostile to Islam.

    • http://twitter.com/Slickepelle Jonas

      If you refered to my comment: “Hostile” in Swedish has a more sinister and belligerent connotation than in English. “Islam-critic” would have been a more appropriate term in nation-wide and state-funded newspapers and TV-channels posing as “neutral and un-biased”.
      Anyway, your comment make good points! What really baffles me is why muslims are so insistent on bringing with them an ideology that failed them so miserably in ALL their native countries. It makes no sense. (Niall Ferguson brings this point home nicely in “The west and the rest”) Here they are, with a chance to a fresh start, but won´t let go of the backwardness, arrogance and violence derived from the koran. Again, why…?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

        They have been encouraged by the existing politicians (certainly in Britain) to maintain their “old cultures” (this is done as a way for politicians to create “rotten boroughs”, who they can then address on certain political issues, to get these ghettoized communities to vote for them).

        But beyond that, it is rather arrogant of us as westerners to consider that islam has failed. The islamic empire is 1300 years old; almost none of the territory conquered by islam has ever been de-islamised (Spain, Sicily, Israel are the notable exceptions). That is a mark of the success of islam. Compare the failure of Hitler’s “Third Reich”; it lasted but a blink of an eye in the islamic calendar. In fact, there are many ways in which islam has marked (scarred) christian europe in the past 1300 years. It is eurocentric arrogance that stops us from seeing all the different ways in which islam has been a history of corrupting european civilisation.

        Furthermore, there is a fundamental tendency of muslims not to integrate; it commands so in the koran: “do not take the jews and christians as your friends”.

        Finally, there have been the plans of the Muslim Brotherhood and the Organisation of Islamic Conference to conduct civilisational jihad. They want muslims in the west not to integrate, because they are intent on islamising the whole world. That is the islamic project: those who do not convert are to be killed or turned into slaves/serfs. I suggest you read this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Europe-Globalization-Coming-Universal-Caliphate/dp/1611474922 She shows how the OIC says “jump”, and the EU says “how high?”

        • http://twitter.com/Slickepelle Jonas

          “do not take the jews and christians as your friends”.

          Update: Nor atheists, hindus, buddhists, gays, hecklers, unveiled women, obstinate women, representatives of secular authorities(policemen e.g), lesbians, Americans, disrespectful journalists, undisciplined cartoonists, amateur filmmakers, insensitive welfare-clerks, or anyone looking at me in an unappreciative manner.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

            Oh, among non-muslims, it is the jews and christians historically who have had the best treatment under islam. The unbelievers (atheists, buddhists, polytheists, pagans, animists) are considered to be unfit for anything other than death or slavery in islam. As dhimmis, jews and christians are supposed to be a step up from slaves – they are to be serfs.

            The irony is that the nazi-inspired Muslim Brotherhood has made it clear (in the works of Sayyid Qutb) that they despise socialists and atheists intensely. It’s no wonder that after the “Iranian revolution”, the muslims slaughtered their socialist and communist useful-idiot allies.

            • Abbar, Saladin

              why read non Muslims Books, take it from Muslims themselves what they say about Human rights : http://www.onislam.net/english/reading-islam/understanding-islam/ethics-and-values/human-rights/423508.html.

              • madge hirsch

                Perhaps because non Muslims are not likely to serve up a heap of taqqiyah bullshit- like the site you linked to does?

              • John

                The good “scholars” at onlineislam.net can’t even GRASP the concept of human rights, let alone discuss it in a rational, honest and intelligent manner.

                If the islamic world would just stop pracitising slavery, I,d be happy

              • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

                Go and read what Sultan Tabandeh says in his “Muslim Commentary on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights”. He says that under sharia law, slavery is legal.

    • Reborn

      I agree totally.
      The fact is, that in Europe in general, & the UK & Western Europe in particular, it is difficult & sometimes fatally dangerous to criticise an ideology that is as enlightened & bloodthirsty as medieval Roman Catholicism.
      I don’t believe that the European powers are in cahoots to prepare us for a Muslim takeover in a couple of generations.
      I do believe that from governmental policies, down to the liberal media, especially
      the BBC & UK TV generally, everything is being done to prepare the way for such a disaster. Presumably unintentionally.

      • Daniel Maris

        Everyone pursues their own narrative. The BBC don’t think they are facilitating Sharia. They think that by being perfectly accepting and diversity-friendly they will get the better of Islam and Muslims will become more like Guardian reading lefties. However, you can tell what they really think of Sharia by the number of Hijabs and Burkas you see on the BBC.

    • Daniel Maris

      James, how very very true – and it’s not just a question of a Western education. I have yet to come across anyone – be they Hindu, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, atheist or agnostic – who has anything positive to say about Islam (apart from the odd comment about its adherents’ calligraphy and tiling). If anyone wants to pipe up for the benefits of Sharia, they can do so here…

    • Roger Alsop

      not forgetting the Doctrine of Abrogation

    • Roger Alsop

      I agree

  • http://twitter.com/Slickepelle Jonas

    This is truly saddening. The Swedish media (my home country) has shamefully buried and misrepresented this story. Mr Hedegaard was in all papers and tv-channels, except one, portrayed as “hostile towards islam” and as an extremist. They were even smug about it. As if he brought this upon himself and had it coming! The one Swedish journalist who defended Mr Hedegaards right to free speech – and the right to walk the streets safely – was denounced by his fellow “journalists”. It makes me feel ashamed of my country – we should stand by our fellow Scandinavians. The left-wing muppets are in total control of our public discourse, and only because we are allowing them to be! But conservative winds are blowing and I think this cabal of gender-certified, multi-cultural-approved and isolated journalists know this too. Thanks to Mr Murray for taking a clear stand!

    • Simon Morgan

      Although one of course condemns Anders Breivik out of hand, his underlying message is inescapable. Islam is a direct menace to our way of life. And while the Socialists are in power the threat grows ever larger. They really need to take a cold hard look at themselves. The harm they are doing in Europe and Scandinavia is irreversible.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

        Before deciding to kill teenage socialists, Breivik’s original target group was to have been a mass gathering of journalists. It was his inability to get close enough to kill 100 of them that made him choose a more vulnerable target.

      • Reborn

        Breivik’s actions were, of course, indefensible & he should never leave prison.
        But, suppose the year was 1937 & the country was Germany.
        Suppose Breivik was a German Jew who massacred a Hitler Youth Camp.
        How would History treat him ?
        The leftists in Europe, have long since won everything they could have reasonably wanted, & they now concentrate a malignant & self destructive
        effort to appease our Oldest Enemy. An enemy whose values fit in very well with Nazism.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Van-Grungy/100000069253213 Van Grungy

          Breivik will be considered a hero within 20 years..

    • andy_gill

      Not for nothing is it called “Stockholm Syndrome”.

      • http://twitter.com/Slickepelle Jonas

        Haha, you´re quite right. But a Stockholm Syndrome on a civilizational scale is rather different than in an isolated hostage situation. I mean, there is no one on the outside to charge in like the cavalry and break the spell…

  • OldSlaughter

    Steyn has mocked the ‘bravery’ of such types as well as anyone could.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

    The news report on Danish TV makes it increasingly likely it was a Danish-born muslim. He’s described as of southern-mediterranean appearance, but speaking fluent Danish. http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/02/if-i-hadnt-done-it-i-would-been-dead/

    What is really shocking is that the TV journalist seems to think that Lars should have just allowed the assassin to kill him. She seems more shocked that Lars fought back than that someone should try to kill a journalist for an opinion.

    • http://twitter.com/Slickepelle Jonas

      On this subject: Swedish journalist Niklas Orrenius wrote “[…]The bullet missed. Maybe it was an attempt to murder him”. Yes, or maybe it was a practical joke. I think we desperately need Scandinavian Mark Steyns, Douglas Murrays and Jonah Goldbergs.

  • Hobbes 2013

    Umm, shouldn’t that be ‘would be assassin’? The atacker didn’t actually kill (or even hit) Mr Hedegaard.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

      A failed assassin is still an assassin. If Lars had been as subjugated mentally as most of our journalists are, he wouldn’t have fought back, and the assassin may well have succeeded.

      A “would be assassin” is someone who thinks they might like to assassinate someone, or even started to plan to do it (we imprison people as terrorists even though their attack was foiled).

    • don’t shoot me bro

      how would you describe the gunman then?

    • adamber

      Next we’ll hear that Mr Hedegaard’s response was “disproportionate” – after all, he wasn’t actually hurt, was he?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Petra-Thompson/100000036809170 Petra Thompson

        That is more or less how the anchorwoman on the Danish TV did respond. She was more shocked that Lars Hedegaard had attacked the assassin, rather than that in Copenhagen a prominent citizen is assassinated for having an opinion.

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