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Luton is changing. But it’s still a dump

10 January 2013

4:04 PM

10 January 2013

4:04 PM

Does it matter that white Britons are now a minority in three towns or cities in this country? The latest census figures suggest that whitey is outnumbered in Leicester, Luton and Slough. I assume the reason for this is that lots of Asians have colonised these places and as a consequence many of the whites have got the hell out. They have always been fairly awful places, mind, in any case – Luton in particular.

Those who welcome more and more immigration usually wave their hands and say listen, change happens, and we should welcome it – for the white people in those towns it is a chance to meet new neighbours from a vibrant culture, an uplifting experience for them. But of course this is not always how it feels if you actually live there…

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  • Garry

    As part of that ethnic minority.. white English Lutonian.. I invite you all..come on down and have a look at your future. Luton is a microcosm of the UK in general, while it would never have won any beauty competitions, it was a prosperous(ish) industrial town, you know..making things..Vauxhall, Bedford Trucks, Electrolux,Skefco, hats etc etc… Now I believe it’s biggest employers are the Airport and the frankly rather grubby L&D Hospital..rather sums up the UK I think.
    I especially invite any of The Guardian reading types to see if they can detect any signs of vibrancy on our fly blown, litter strewn streets where the flotsam and jetsom of the 2nd and 3rd worlds pitch up and make their homes..So come on down, have a sneak preview how your town will be in 5,10 or 15 years time.

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  • John Streather

    We, the indigenous British, are neither Anglo-Saxons nor Celts. Our ancestors arrived in what are now the British Isles mainly between 15,000 and 10,000 yesra ago and adopted the languages of a small number of incomers at different times. We are basically proto-Basques and have had our islands to ourselves for all those thousands of years, gradually building up a civilized and prosperous society. Now all we have lived, worked and fought for, over that immense stretch of time, has been frivolously handed on a silver plate to foreigners that we never asked, needed or wanted to come here, by irresponsible doctrinnaire governments. This has been done without asking for our permission and without receiving our consent. It is time our wishes concerning who we allow to live in our own country were seriously considered. Retrospective legislation badly needs to be introduced so that we can be rid of all these unwelcome people, many of them criminals and terrorist sympathisers if not actual terrorists. Reciprocity should be an essential consideration also. AS many foreign citizens, mosques, etc. here as there are NAtive British citizens, Christian churches etc. in the countries from which these immigrants come.

  • Woodstockwastrel

    It will shortly be London and Birmingham and before the century is out the entire country. I have yet to meet anybody who thinks this is good news.

  • John Steadman

    I like “whitey”, Rod. It’s a pity it hasn’t so much caught on as a term of abuse, like “blackie”, then, a balance having been establihed, we could all – footballers even – offend each other in the time-honoured civilised and measured way without the hyper-escalatory dash to the cops or the courts to become martys to the cause of diversity.

    That way nice people like us…well most of us… wouldn’t be provoked into saying the (perfectly reasonable) things that impel the PC moronic tendancy to describe as “racist”; and we could all move on to discuss more important things like The X-Factor and cholesterol levels.

  • SirMortimerPosh

    Mass immigration is the consequence of our desire to hold onto the giant Ponzi Scheme called Social Security. We have so many liabilities now in terms of benefits and pensions that they can no-longer be paid for by the money invested by existing members (the original population) so, just like Bernie Maddoff, the Labour government over a period of thirteen years embarked on a huge recruiting scheme for new members, whose contributions to the great investment scheme would go someway to staving off its ultimate collapse. We received about three and a half million documented immigrants over their period in office. They dressed this up as ‘the right of family re-union’, EU law, the wonderful multicultural society etc, but underneath it all, they knew their mad tottering benefits scheme REQUIRED new recruits or it would collapse in a financial disaster of monstrous proportions.

    I wondered for years why they did it, but this is the only answer which does not require that they were all on hallucinogenic drugs.

  • HMcM

    The winds of change are blowing through Europe. Get used to it.

  • AndrewMcNeilis

    Rod, I live in E1. I am white British and have a 13 month old baby. The local primary school is 99.7% populated by children who declare English a second language. So whilst it might not matter to some that white British are descending into the minority, it certainly matters to some of us.

    I would interested to see future articles actually highlighting tangible evidence of the benefits of creating a Bangladesh colony in London, complete with mayor, mosques and reverse apartheid

    • Daniel Maris

      But language has nothing to do with colour would be my point. The issue is why we allowed people into this country to settle permanently who (a) have no command of the language and (b) no intention of ever using it at home.

    • HMcM

      The benefits for the Bangladeshi colonists are so obvious that I cannot see why any articles highlighting tangible evidence to this effect should be necessary.

  • Kevinc

    When I worked in Luton over 10 years ago, members of rival Mosques were fighting pitched battles in the streets with tyre-irons and baseball bats – does that still happen?Strangely though, they were extremely polite and helpful when faced with a white Christian, It only seemed to be other Muslims they hated. I have a theory that many UK-based Moslems (particularly females) would happily convert to Christianity if free to choose but are prevented from doing so by the thuggish behaviour of the extremists. And, yes,you’re right, it was a dump.

    • HMcM

      Perhaps some were Sunni and others were Shia. They have hated each other for nearly 1400 years.

      • Eddie

        Yes and they all hate the tolerant inclusive Sufi Muslims – and the type (which begin with an A – Akanashti? Loads in London – they have a show each year at Alexandra Palace) of Muslims who are a break-away sect and no considered Muslims at all by either the Shias (Iranians) or the Sunny side ups.

  • Tron

    Rod, you stayed in Italy recently. If when you arrived in Italy there were no Italians and no Italian food or culture, would it matter to you ?

    • Eddie

      I went to Italy recently too – there are brown faces in Italy (some of them Italians) – lots in Rome and loads of Chinese in Florence etc and black African hawkers of handbags everywhere.
      But – when you look at Italian TV channels, you do not get the news read to you by a black man or an Asian in a headscarf. Ditto in France which is 10-20% ethnic, like Britain.
      Sometimes in the UK, there is no white presenter of the new on Channel 4 or the BBC, and the weather is almost always read by a woman or an ethnic (and not the highly qualified white men who’d done 20 years at the met centre who used to read it).
      Why on earth have our TV channels and media been taken over by people with such race obsession who want to parachute blacks and Asians onto our TV screens? In fact, most ethnics in the UK are not black p0 only 1 in 4 is – and yet and yet, every single advert and news bulletin and TV drama is crammed with black people. Is this just us aping the USA (which has 12-13% black people?) or because so many actors agencies are black (very few Chinese or Indian parents would let their children have ambitions to be actors or pop stars).
      Perhaps if we had the proportions accurately shown it would be OK. So then, one in ten ethnic is about right. But it seems to me 40% of faces on TV are black now, and 80% on children’s BBC.

      • bionde

        If you went to some of the Neapolitan suburbs, Castel Volturno for example, you would think you were in Africa. I drove for 30 minutes after leaving the autostrada without seeing a single Italian. The road was lined with men openly dealing drugs and women obviously offering sexual favours , usually in small groups and accompanied by a pimp.
        In my area of central Italy if you see a black man with a sports bag he isn’t going to the gym but is about to try to sell you a pair of cheap white socks at an exorbitant price. Most supermarket car parks are frequented by black beggars with hand outstretched telling you are beautiful and they are hungry. It always amuses me to hear the really fat woman who begs at at Lidl say this while talking on her mobile phone clamped to ear.

      • Fergus Pickering

        A woman or an ethnic? Hallelujah brothers. And sometimes (gulp!) a woman who is an ethnic.

  • FF42

    You fell for the propter hoc fallacy, I am afraid. Luton was a dump before whites became a minority.

  • Robert Taggart

    It be a sad country that allows this to happen – and then keeps voting for the same old cheats / liars who brought it about.

    That said, how much of this ‘white flight’ has come about because our Council boundaries refuse to move with the times – the indigenous / white population move just outside these towns to neighbouring villages – these thereby become an extension of these towns, but, the towns boundaries remain stuck in the past.

    Of course, many of these ’emigrants’ will not want the town to take them over – whether overtly or covertly – many of these ’emigrants’ are conservative (if only small c). Ergo, they have no wish to be run by a more than likely Liebore Council.

    You only have to look at a typical road map – Leicester – the big ‘blob’ which you may think be all Leicester be Leicester, Oadby and Wigston, Melton,Hinckley and Bosworth, Harborough, Charnwood, Blaby District Councils !

  • Sarah

    If you want to experience white Englishness, go to the East coast of Spain. You will return with a new sense of gratitude for England and to the Spanish.

    You’d absolutely love it on the East coast of Spain, Eddie.

    • William Gladstone

      Great post, Sarah. They sell the Daily Mail there too, Eddie – so you wouldn’t miss all the lies and doom-mongering about how London is lost. Daft idiot. If you actually spent any time in London rather than relying on DM articles, the Spectator talkboards and Far Right hate sites for your opinions, you’d probably notice the 300,000 French, the 100,000 Americans, the myriad Aussies, Kiwis, South Africans, Brazilians, Dutch, Germans (I could go on) – all enjoying London and making a life there. If it was the “hellhole” you say it is, why would they come? Why would Russian oligarchs settle here, Indian magnates? Why would Qatar and other sovereign wealth funds invest so heavily here? Your line of argument veers from the hysterical “native Britons despise what is happening to the country their ancestors fought and died for” (er, they fought AGAINST white supremacism, Eddie, not for it, if you’re referring to WWII) to outright lies “a leftwing hypocrite teacher trainer lecturer gave higher marks to Asian and black students than whites” to plain inaccuracy – British empire benevolent – er, OK, tell that to the Sikhs gunned down at the Amritsar massacre of the million odd Indians who died in the famine when the British exported food for troops during WWII. You’re an idiot. Any argument you have is totally undermined by the sweeping generalisations that all blacks and browns are bad for the UK, or that they are all as bigoted as you are. Sorry but you’re like a child having a tantrum. The situation on the ground is nuanced, complicated, and broadbrush generalisations that London is lost simply don’t stand up to objective analysis. Love the fact you say your dad is an immigrant. I bet some of your best friends are black, too!

      • James R

        I can’t speak for the other nationalities Mr Gladstone.I do however have considerable knowledge of Brazil & Brazilians.Too many of whom have ‘made a life here’ using their,how shall I put this politely..ingenuity.
        I like both Brazil & Brazilians [in general] but I always bear in mind Gerson’s phrase : I always like to have the advantage [vantage in Portuguese] and they don’t mind doing almost anything to get it.

        • William Gladstone

          Brilliant, James R. Making sweeping generalisations about a nation of 200 million, from anecdotal evidence at best – and I still have no idea what you’re driving at.

          • James R

            ‘300,000 French, the 100,000 Americans, the myriad Aussies, Kiwis, South Africans, Brazilians, Dutch, Germans (I could go on) – all enjoying London and making a life there.’
            What I’m getting at is your listing of nationalities making a living in any given city means nothing in itself.Have you lived in any foreign countries for any length of time ? Do you understand the cultural differences good & bad that come with mass immigration ? Or are you a metropolitan sophisticate whose idea of going to the developing world is a visit to an Afghan restaurant in Islington ? There used to be one you know.I’ve been.Possibly still there.
            ” Anecdotal evidence at best ” How do you know ? You don’t know me or my background.How can you say that ?
            I lived in Brazil for 15yrs.My wife is Brazilian.My extended family of around fifteen and countless friends are Brazilian.I speak the language and understand the culture well.So please don’t accuse me of sweeping generalisations whilst doing the self same thing.It doesn’t bode well for anything else you post.

            • Daniel Maris

              It’s an interesting question how we came by so many Brazilians in London given they are not part of the EU (though I think they have reciprocal rights with Portugal) and not part of the Commonwealth.

              I’ve nothing in particular against Brazil – in fact their team is always the team I support after enlgand have been kicked out of the World Cup. But it makes you wonder about our border control. Same goes for Koreans – how did they end up here?

              • Eddie

                Because we let anyone in. Really.
                I have known asylum seekers from even Russia and Brazil and India and China and everywhere! They come here, claim asylum – and there is such a backlog that it takes 5 years to process their claims, By which time they are given leave to remain. They know this – and that is why millions come here and we the British are a joke internationally.

                • Daniel Maris

                  Yep – I knew the answer to my own question really…

      • Eddie

        William Gladstone (I bet that’s not your real name eh? I bet your called Nigel Snivelclunge – or similar). Sarah’s post was not great – but it was greatly hysterical and dishonest.
        We do not have white supremecists in the UK (that’s the US, dumbo). People who want less immigration and fewer non-white immigrants are not racist; people who want the UK to stay majority white are not racists.
        OR if they are, then the entire populations of Africa and Asia are racist.
        YOu clearly have no empathy for the native people who suffer due to mass immigration, Of course, millionaire criminal im migrants such as Arabs, Russians, the rest, benefit hugely at the expense of British people.
        You are clearly very young. Good luck with your GCSEs. If accusing someone of reading teh Daily Mail is the best you can do, I would advise getting yourself an education so you can learhn how to debate properly.
        Racist idiot.

        • Sarah

          There are hundreds of thousands of homes on the East coast of Spain, a lot on the landscape, owned by British people who live there permanently. They have English schools, English churches, English shops wit English signs, English social clubs, English pubs and restaurants, English lawyers, dentists, doctors, hairdressers and English people in the local council. They can vote, they are entitled to free health care. Barely any of them can do more than jabber a few Spanish words.
          They are overweight, unattractive, badly dressed, rude, arrogant and uncultured.
          They read the daily mail and they complain about immigration.
          The Valencians have returned a right wing anti-immigration party. One candidate described the English in Spain as their equivalent of the Pakistani in England.

          Like I say, your mothership.

          • Eddie

            “They are overweight, unattractive, badly dressed, rude, arrogant and uncultured.”

            I think you may well have found your true family then, Sarah.

            The Daily Mail is read mostly by women, y’know, who in general are far more r intolerant, religious and bigoted than men.
            The British in Spain are not considered Spanish though, are they? Not even the kids born there. That is the difference. And also, these white workjing class people went to Spain because there are far more of their tribe there (the cockney one) than in their homeland of East London – which has been colonised by Asians.

      • Sarah

        He means his dad was English and commuted to Wales.

        • Eddie

          No, I didn’t. Yet more loopyloo lies from the part-time mental health charity shop operative.
          Stick to sorting knickers and nick-nacks, sister, and leave the politics to those with an education eh?

      • Eddie

        William Gladstone

        I find only thoise very childish and ill-eductaed people who have not the skill and knowledge to debate properly accuse all their opponents of being ‘Daily Mail readers’.

        For your information, The Daily Mail is mostly read by women – often housewives. It is a centre-right publication; it is not the Daily Fascist, y’know! Far more extreme and offensive views are in The Guardian every day.

        White supremicists are a US thing. You’ve been watching too much Discovery channel, mate, and swallowing the propaganda and lies of your ignorant semi-literate Brit-hating history teachers.

        My argument was never that ALL blacks and browns are bad for the UK: that delusion is all yours.

        But it is in no way wrong for white people in the UK to want their homeland to stay mostly populated by people like them – because Africans want Africa to be mostly full of black Africans too; the Chinese wouldn’t even consider that a whitie could be Chinese; and no Indian would ever think any non-brown person could posssibly be Indian. I look forward to your campie 4 billion racists in those places…

        Foreigners come to London for their own selfish reasons: the rich and corrupt and criminal (Arab, Russian) to avoid tax and keep their stash to themselves; the poor immigrants because we are too tolerant and hand out benefits like smarties – unlike other countries in the EU which make clear they don’t want immigrants there. Let’s give em work permits eh? Keep em for 5 years then we can send em back.
        The entire housing crisis in the UK has been caused by too much immigration. If our population was still 56 million, we’d all be better off – and there is no net benefit from immigration either. So why have it? For short-term electoral gain? To prove how non-racist we all are in our diverse multiculti mess of a country? To get more Labour voters? So idiots like you can have black friends?

        And yes, the British empire was the most benevolent empire in history which replaced vile dictators and chiefs in Asia and Africa and replaced them with something far better.

    • Eddie

      No I wouldn’t, Psycho Sarah, because I – a highly educated and cultured middle class man – feel alienated whenever I am surrounded by lower class uneducated persons of any colour. This is why I have nothing in common with you, love, eh?

  • undergroundman14

    “Does it matter that white Britons are now a minority in three towns or cities in this country?”
    Considering that “white” Britons, as you call the native British are the indigneous population, yes! It does matter. Or it will when Pakistanis and others demand ever more power, and ever more Islamic and black influence in the governing of the UK. It amases me how much British people are ignorant of the consequences of not only mass migration, but who will hold power in the future. It won’t be the “white” Britons the way things are going.
    British people cannot even defend their ethnic identity anymore. The British media talk about “white” Britons as if they’re referring to white Americans. Once not too long ago, Being a Briton meant being white. Now being an Afro-Caribbean or a Pakistani means being British. What a sad end for a great ethno/cultural group and history. At least the Native Americans and the Maori fought back against their colonisation. Brits simply accept it like cowards.

    • MichtyMe

      Britons and British are artificial political constructs, I suspect your real identity is English.

      • Fergus Pickering

        Oh come on mate. There is no real difference between English and Scottish. I suppose I am half Scottish but I really don’t care.

  • Eddie

    “Those who welcome more and more immigration usually wave their hands and say listen, change happens, and we should welcome it ”
    Yes, but only in the case of immigrants coming to majority Britain (especially their favourites, the black and brown ones).
    The same leftie hypocrites are vehemently opposed to white people going to live in countries with a majority a black or brown-skinned persons – now or in the past – and actually believe that no white person can ever be African, Indian, Chinese etc. Which is funny really, because at the self same time they believe that anyone dark of skin who lands at Heathrow or sneaks in at Dover can be called ‘British’ and should be welcomed as having as much right to live here as any of the indigenous population.
    Double standards eh? Doncha just love em!
    And I won’t even star about all the usual suspect suspects prattling on about how we need to build more homes (well, we wouldn;t if we like have fewer people and kicked out the illegals eh)

  • AnthonyZacharzewski

    White Britons being in a minority doesn’t mean “whitey” – nice phrase, by the way, pick it off a BNP leaflet? – is in the minority. What colour do you think Poles and Lithuanians are? Orange? Or are white Christian Europeans born in France so terribly different from white Christian Europeans born in Britain that they couidn’t possibly live alongside each other?

    But hey, gets the hit count up from all the furious racists, though doesn’t it?

    • Eddie

      I think you’ll find that Poles and Lithuanians are much bigger racists than most white Brits.
      True though – white Europeans do share much of our heritage and values – though Polish catholic bigotry leaves a lot to be desired. Religiosity is something the English have not have for centuries – saldy, immigrants such as mad Muslims, backwards African Christians, and hardcore catholics from Poland etc, and reintroducing this – much to our detriment (eg half of biology teachers now teach the lie of creationism as as valid as the fact of evolution, and do so because they don’;t want to offend the black and brown Christians and Muslims in their classes.)
      But juist think: what if a million immigrants suddenly arrived in Poland eh? I am sure you’d consider that too many – esp if it lowered wages for locals and made accommodation unaffordable, and meant foreigners getting state housing over and above locals. Learn some empathy maybe?

      • bionde

        Last time I was in Krakow, last year, there was something strange I couldn’t put my finger on and I couldn’t identify it. It wasn’t until I was waitng at the bus staion for the bus to katowice to the airport that I realised what it was. I saw a black skinned man at the bus station and realide d that he was the first black or brown face I had seen in 10 days. I felt as though I had been transported in a time capsule to 1950

  • chudsmania

    98% White Anglo Saxon in Devon……Bet the BBC And Guardian hate that stat with a passion. Never had any race riots here , nor gangsta rap gun culture….Keep it a secret though eh , otherwise everyone will move here .

    • Daniel Maris

      I very much doubt it’s 98% White Anglo Saxon. White Anglo-Celt maybe. It will be full of Welsh and Kernow genes.

      • chudsmania

        You must be getting Devon mixed up with Cornwall ! I tend to band Celts with Anglo Saxons in pure pedancy. No point going back too many hundreds of years , this expanse of time isnt Luton etc’s worry.

        • Daniel Maris

          Well if pedancy was a word (even remotely so), you might have a point. But since it is isn’t, you don’t. 🙂

          • Dogsnob

            Well, it’s near enough a word for us to know what meaning is intended. That meaning does put over a point which seems to leave your argument lacking.

            • Daniel Maris

              What’s the word? I am wondering if its expediency but given that’s only a 50% strike rate in terms of correct lettering I don’t see how on can be sure. And it would be “out of” expediency if it was.

              How much time are we supposed to take in interpretation of poorly constructed comments? A minute, 5 ten?

              • Dogsnob

                Oh dear, sorry, I hadn’t appreciated just how far up your own arsehole you had managed to get.

                • Daniel Maris

                  Well you seem able to communicate your opinion. 🙂 Can’t see why others can’t communicate theirs.

            • Fergus Pickering

              Pedantry perhaps. But it’s true we all know what he means.

          • chudsmania
  • Wayne Gillespie

    Well said Maris. Colour is irrelevant. Massive cultural change is not.

    • Eddie

      Tell the Africans or Chinese or Indians that colour is irrelevant.
      I think you’ll find it’s not. No-one says it is wrong for an African for want most of his countrymen to be black, or for a Chinaman to say that anyone who does not look Chinese cannot be Chinese. Are these people all racist then? All 1 billion Chinese and almost 1 billion Africans and over 1 billion Indians? That’s a lot of racists.
      Ah I see, but they’re not called racist because they’re dark-skinned! How very, er, racist…
      But yes, cultural change is a killer – we have seen the demands of Muslims and African witchdoctor Christians already in the last few years. Religiosity is something England (as opposed to Wales, Scotland or Nutty Northern Ireland) has avoided. No more.

      • Daniel Maris

        I’ve read plenty of people say Chinese and Indians are racist. One could add that Africans certainly judge on skin colour. Racism is a strong force around the world, but there is also a strong current of anti-racism, which we see particularly in the behaviour of younger people.

        • Eddie

          Oh come off it! The young Chinese are uber-nationalist – and the definition of Chinese is racial. Ditto for the Indians.
          The hypocrisy of all this would be hilarious if it were not so pathetic.

          • Daniel Maris

            I think you have to look at these things in context and nationalism is not racism per se.

            • Eddie

              It is when it has a racial basis.

              No Chinese would ever consider any white person or black African to be Chinese – not even if they were born in China, and not even to the 10th generation.

              Your opinion displays ignorance, I am afraid. It is the typical opinion of many in the UK and Europe who do not realise that everyone in Asia and Africa most certainly has a racial bias.

              Let’s apply the same criteria to everyone eh? And using the criteria generally used to decide if a white British person is racist, one can conclude that all the black Africans, Indians, Chinese etc are racist to a man. You cannot be a white Indian/Chinese/Nigerian. And even in South Africa, despite Mandela’s brave efforts, most blacks do not see whites as being equal to them or as African.

              Moreover, the bigotry and racism of blacks and Asians in the UK is shared by most in that group; it is hidden and never talked about – but it’s there alright. How many Pakistani families would be happy for their daughter to marry a black man?

              • jewelsade

                But white women are extremly happy to quickly marry a black man, 2million mixed race people in britain, and most of them have a white mother. Just goes to show you how easy it is for an black or brown man, to bed white women.

  • Hexhamgeezer

    Could we cut the ‘vibrant’ please. The word is ‘different’ just because someone has a brwon or black skin does not mean their culture is ‘vibrant’ it is ‘different’ and usually can’t hold a candle to over a thousand years of truly vibrant European or specifically British culture.

    For example, in what sense is, say, Pakistani muslim culture ‘vibrant’? in comparison to English culture?

    • Austin Barry

      ‘Vibrant’ because it is not dull: honour killings, FGM, cousin marriage, women as chattels, animals bleeding out à la mode halal etc. etc: the kind of vibrancy the English would die for – and probably will.

      • David Lindsay

        There really isn’t anything wrong with halal meat. Lots of other things. But not that.

        • Eddie

          But it IS wrong when state employers and institutions (schools, universities, councils, hospitals) serve halal meat and don’t TELL you it’s halal meat. Ditto for big fast food chains.

          • Hexhamgeezer

            How very true – and how troublesome an honest labelling of meat would be for our rulers!

        • DazEng

          REALLY???? have a look at this http://www.stop-barbaric-slaughter.webs.com/video-1.htm, You simply are not human if you think there is nothing wrong with it.

          • David Lindsay

            The majority culture does worse. You are like the people who complain about shooting while they tuck into their broiler chicken.

            The ancient indigenous Christians of the Middle East eat halal meat. That’ll do me.

            Do you want to ban kosher meat, too? Well, do you?

            • Eddie

              The ancient Christians also had slaves, tortured and murdered innocents, killed children, and lots more fun besides.
              Do you want to emulate them in that too? Well, do you?
              By the way, no-one is suggesting banning it – but all halal meat should be labelled so the many who do not wish to eat meat slaughetered in the same of some barbaric religion can avoid it.
              Why are you against that?
              Your debating tactic is always the same: prevarication and the attempt to portray the West as worse than Islam as justification for allowing Muslims to do whatever they like. So I say: ‘Muslims kill people in terror attacks’ to which you say ‘well the West has killed people too in history’.
              Anyone would think you were programmed to defend all Muslims. What’s the score then? D’yer get free curries for it?
              Can you not see the flaw in this argument?

              • http://vitamind3info.blogspot.com/ Adrian

                I think you might find those ancient Christians were very ancient Christians of the old testament Talmudic kind,

            • DazEng

              Bloody right I’d ban Kosher.
              Do you really think Christians get a choice in the Middle East??????

        • DazEng

          BTW, to be truly halal, only Muslims can slaughter the cow, which is also discrimination in the workplace.

        • Sarah

          Tell that to the animals that suffocate on their own blood.
          According to both the RSPCA and the Farm Animals Welfare Council there is something wrong with it.

        • uberwest

          Tell it to the MPs who voted to ban it from the House of Commons canteen, but permitted halal meat to remain unidentified as such in supermarkets, denying shoppers the opportunity to boycott the practice.

          Halal slaughter houses are opening up around the country, which will take work away from British abbatoir workers and hand it to muslim abbatoir workers.

          There is no reason that we should have to put up with this blatant discrimination towards this group of people.

      • Daniel Maris

        Maybe, but they have to curb those vibrant traditions in the UK to a great degree. If you are arguing, in the spirit of Swift, that we should encourage them to be more vibrant in the UK along the lines you are talking about so that we will love them more, you may have a case…

        • Eddie

          Actually Daniel, a Muslim man can legally bring in more than one wife to the UK as an immigrant (the government’s equality inspectors simply adore diversity, you see, and want to help all Asian men bring their 4 wives and 47 cousins here). There;s one legal wife – but incredibly, the law also allows an immigrant to bring other wives here as immigrants if the husband is let in.
          One problem is that, unlike the French with their excellent integrationist model, we allow immigrants to do whatever they like – and a blind eye is usually turned to many vile practices (mad African religions, child abuse, forced marriage, anti-British Islamism, anti-white racism, incitement to hatred from anyone ethnic…)
          We are the laughing stock of the world!
          Everyone knows that the UK is a dustbin for any immigrants from anywhere, that we give everyone free healthcare, education and benefits; that no illegal immigrants if caught will be punished and most will not even be deported; that – according to the propaganda of the diversity industry, we simply adore diversity and black and brown immigrants.
          Why do you think so many travel through many European countries to get to the Shangrila of the UK?

        • ArchiePonsonby

          Hmm. Best not, eh?

      • michael

        Every race is dying for it … the English, well, dutifully, we are patiently taking our turn. Then, like every one else cowering and fleeing from confrontation because our lords and masters find it easier to hide behind words like bigotry, intolerance and political correctness. I have come to the conclusion that our liberal elite are completely disinterested in the plight of the displaced and bullied, because much of their wealth is procured from the tax payer by arguing about this bigotry, intolerance and political correctness with both their chamber mates and particularly their continental counterparts. – And if their is no argument then a political affiliate is lobbied until a new grey area regulation is ‘yes ministered’ , furthering argument and with it the respective fees … A proper little industry.

    • Daniel Maris

      Yes, I think it’s a survival from the days of Cliff Michelmore and Tonight when Trinidadians and Jamaicans with their calypso, sharp suits and swaying good-time dancing could fairly be described as “vibrant” compared with dishwater-grey 50s England.

      As you say, Pakistani Muslim culture is not vibrant. It has very little art or dancing or music (that’s all imported from India). It’s about as vibrant as a needlework class from the Victorian era. It’s all built around family, clans and obligation. Anti-vibrant is a better description.

  • Malfleur

    Did you actually visit Luton for this blog or was it simply viewed through the wrong end of a telescope from the Spectator bubble? I had hoped when I saw the title that someone from the magazine had actually left the capital to do a little research, but it looks as though you had simply been reading the statistics and then giving your irony a bit of a hone. Of course, it is far to the north and irony can be a first step towards the truth.

    • Noa

      Malfleur.

      Luton far to the north? For me it’s far to the south! Same problem for both of s though. If not from Rod, at least, the Speccie writes from a Bubbledon perspective.

      • MichtyMe

        Yes, to reach the half way point between the north and south extremities of the UK you must pass through Perth.

        • Noa

          Windermere is midway between Land’s End
          and John O’Groats – it’s 434 miles either way.

          • MichtyMe

            The Shetlands haven’t yet been annexed by the Argentines, so it’s Muckle Flugga.

            • Noa

              From there to Port Stanley makes it Ascension.

              • Daniel Maris

                And to the South Pole?

        • Eddie

          Well, MichyMe – you seem half way up your own asre anyway…

    • AY

      OK- William Hershel, Handel, Rossetti, Joseph Konrad, Rosalind Franklin, ones like Emeric Pressburger, Phil Lynott and Mark Knopfler – and many thousands of others, who were foreigners or children of foreigners, and their achievements made Britain better and bigger. some did it without becoming very English. and it is going on now – as many talented students from every corner of civilized Europe and China/South Korea/Japan are still settling here.
      there are such things, named humanity, fair play, and collaboration. wide spread across Western world.
      I am not English, so it is up to you to decide if you like it or not.

    • Daniel Maris

      Have you ever been to Luton? It’s a rather important fact to establish.

      It was never lovely and is hardly a looker now. 🙂

      • Hexhamgeezer

        Not forgetting Kenilworth Road , the ne plus ultra of $#!te football grounds.

  • Wilhelm

    Nation comes from the latin , nasci ” to be born into,” a race of people with shared culture, traditions, history, and language, confined to one nation. So third world immigrants can not become English.

    • Daniel Maris

      As always with your “quotations” they start off with some credibility and then speedily morph into one of your rants.

      First thing to say about “nation” is it is a fairly recent idea. Most societies on the planet through history have achieved unity through cultural loyalty, not race. And the identification of “race” with nation was an even later idea only really getting a grip in the mid 19th century.

      The most successful societies on Earth have all been loyalty societies e.g. the Roman Empire which insisted to a pathological degree on a basic loyalty to the Emperor. It was a multi-racial, multi-cultural success story. The USA equally is a society built around the notion of cultural loyalty (both formal – the flag and the constitution – and the informal: the English language and the American Dream).

      One can add the Austro-Hungarian Empire – producing probably the most dazzling set of intellectuals ever.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=698573157 John Hall

        Count Czernin described the A-H Empire as a laboratory for world destruction, producing Adolf and Luger, as it did.

      • Eddie

        Yep, it is often said that the Roman Empire was multi-racial, multi-cultural – and indeed, the British Empire emulated it in this – why it was the most benevolent empire in history.

        However, Roman society was not majority black – probably a small percentage were black so they were easily absorbed into the majority white population. Those who ruled were not black either – (and Septimus Severus was not black either, no matter what that silly fabrication the 100 greatest black people in history’ says: he had a Roman father and a north African ‘Leptis Magna’ royal mother).
        They did use Ethiopians in their gladitorial games though – when they filled the Flavian Amphitheatre (Colosseum) with water and crocodiles, and had Ethiopians in tribal costume fighting them from boats. Terrible racial stereotyping, that was.

        Damn Romans… The racists…

  • Wilhelm

    Put this in your dairy. Britain will be a majority black / muslim country by 2066. Yes, it’s the decline and fall of the Roman Empire all over again.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1330734/White-Britons-outnumbered-2066-immigration-continues.html

  • Daniel Maris

    I don’t think it matters that there are cities where white Britons are in a minority. But I think it does matter that there are places where Britons are culturally in a minority, where other languages and non-British shops, places of worship, community centres etc predominate.

    • Wilhelm

      Maris

      Did you have a White Christmas ? I suspect that would be rather difficult, you living in London and all. Where I live, my neighbourhood is white as the driven snow, and that’s the way I like it, but there are dark clouds looming on the horizon.

      And Maris, you probably think in your fevered imagination that this comment is about demographics, but no, it’s about the weather, but don’t let that stop you from wittering on about ” Heinrich and cattle trucks,” although I don’t really get the connection between having a sensible immigration policy like that of Japan and Israel and ” Heinrich and cattle trucks,” but then, I don’t live in your world.

      Talking of Israel, Prime Minister Netanyahu is deporting tens of thousands of African immigrants, he said ” If we don’t deal with this flood, we”ll be washed away with it.”

      http://www.france24.com/en/20121224-netanyahu-aims-deport-tens-thousands-africans

      Netanyahu ” immigrants are a national calamity”

      http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/12/11/israeli-pm-netanyahu-illegal-immigration-national-calamity/?intcmp=trending

      • Wilhelm

        Maris

        You were babbling on dementedly about Frank Sinatra in Von Ryans Express last week, I don’t know why, but you were. A much better film is ” The Train” with Paul Scolfield.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ5CXkaOzYk&playnext=1&list=PL0A199360CEB5F404&feature=results_main

        • Daniel Maris

          The trailer looks good but I expect there are longeurs…

          Personally I prefer the big ones based on real events – The Longest Day being a favourite, although I expect you would cry at the end since it doesn’t have a happy ending (for you).

          I’d recommend the Thin Red Line as well. Great speech by Nick Nolte.

          • Wilhelm

            Maris ” I expect there are longeurs…”

            Those with an attention span of a fruit fly, like yourself, would, I suspect, prefer Tom and Jerry, lots of excitement there.

            A very good train crash, no Computer generated imagery here.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmsxtErEVrw

        • ArchiePonsonby

          Agreed, Wilhelm! von Ryan’s Express was pretty much Hollywood dross, but I hold that The Train is probably Frankenheimer’s best and certainly Lancaster’s, along with his The Swimmer. But I digress!

          • Wilhelm

            Archie

            I didn’t have the heart to tell Maris that Von Ryans Express is a kids film, bit like Hogan’s Heroes.

            Paul Scolfield through out the entire film, has a fed up / hacked off expression on his face, his plans for the train are constantly thwarted.

            It’s so much better in black and white, as Frankenheimer said.

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Train_(1964_film)

            • Wilhelm

              Archie

              I came across this French documentary on the making of ” The Train.” It’s so strange to see the film in colour. The only downside is, it’s in French.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2pEvr32C7g

      • David Lindsay

        Netanyahu is one to talk. That is not even his real name. As if a Pakistani in England were to call himself something out of Beowulf. Seriously, as ridiculous as that.

      • Daniel Maris

        I’ve explained before Wilhelm that I like living in a cosmopolitan city. Not that I expect everyone to like that atmosphere. London is an exciting place to live in and still a pleasant one if you’ve got a decent home and avoid the tube at certain times, and don’t visit certain areas. But when it comes to the next generation, well of course the outlook is not good.

        Monocultural racist Japan (it is racist because they wouldn’t be impressed by an African who adapted to Japanese culture) seems a rather suffocating society full of a*s* lickers, which is not to say I don’t like some aspects of it (I would recommend people tune into NHK World for some interesting insights). In some respects Japan seems as you might imagine Classical Greece surviving into the modern day.

        Israel in contrast seems keen to let in Russian gangsters and American kookheads for some reason. A shame, as I like the Israel of hard working, intelligent secular Ashkenazi Jews. You see – culture again.

        • Eddie

          But ‘cosmopolitan’ is not the same as ‘multicultural’, is it?
          I also like some – and I repeat some – immigrant presence in big cities. If London were 10% ethnic we would still have the restaurants and the China Town, without whole areas now resembling Lagos or Islamabad. Maybe even 20% is OK in big cities. But 50%? No. London is lost.
          There has been far too much immigration – esp ethnic immigration – though, so much so that in London one can find onself the only white person on a street, a bus, a train etc. Why is this good in itself?
          I have come to the conclusion that the multiple pressure groups of the race relations and diversity industry have become way too powerful – they want a majority black UK and they have made diversity a new cult religion almost. They don’t yet burn heretics, apparently, but they do bully them and get them sacked.
          Many who visit London see it as a playground – but most who do (from mainland European countries) say to me they are shocked at how many black people there are and never want their country to be like that.
          Too much immigration is the reason why I and many other natives cannot afford to live in London – not decently, anyway. Add to that the crime (most muggers are black) and the overcrowding, and the quality of life in London is really low for many. Ethnics used to living in shacks consider it luxury, of course.

          • EJ

            A very accurate assessment of where London is at. F*cked.

          • Daniel Maris

            I agree – cosmopolitan is not multicultural. Multiculturalism is a political dogma that demands various minority religious and cultural groups have to be given special rights in the polity. Examples would be Sikhs being allowed not to wear motorcycle helmets, Muslims being allowed to flout school uniform rules or run their own schools unsupervised and African Churches being allowed to practise child cruelty.

            Cosmopolitan just means being a welcoming centre for people from all around the world.

          • Daniel Maris

            I’d say the quality of life is far worse on some of our God awful council estates in places like the outskirts of Glasgow, in South Wales, and in Liverpool – where the white are very much in the majority.

            • Eddie

              I think council estates in London trump any one in the places you mention – though there are definitely dreadful scummy chavvy underclass places in our country.
              But really, mugging and street crime really is a black thing isn’t it?
              No mugging at all here in Wales really, except a few druggies. When I lived in London, I used to watch muggers walk past my window every day.

              • Fergus Pickering

                But Eddie, you don’t know. Have you ever been to the outskirts of Glasgow? Have you ever been to Lochgellie in Fife. Hellholes I tell you.

            • eric45

              Rubbish, Glasgow people have a strong sense of social cohesion. I was born in one of those “awful” communities with a rock solid sense of community and society. In many ways my upbringing was infinitely more enriching than any of the southern privileged families. I wouldn’t have traded it for the world. Finally, stop comparing Glasgow with the London inner city “communities”, there is absolutely no comparison to be made.

        • ShoeOnHead

          the dualism between cosmopolitism and localism will always rage on. in fact it’s speeding up as hyperconnectivity and interaction explodes across the planet. nation states (or a cluster of institutions, including cultural) are coping with this explosion in interaction rolling across the global economy right now. this is happening at an exponential clip.

          note there is a clear distinction between cosmopolitism and nationalism – and cosmopolitism and localism.

          (shoe on head)

        • Wilhelm

          Maris

          The difference between cosmopolitan and multicultural

          Buenos Aires is cosmopolitan, London is a multicultural dump. One has to pity the white Londoners who have to endure the dystopian nightmare.

      • FrenchNewsonlin

        “The repatriation of the infiltrators”- interesting word ‘infiltrators’, might catch on.

    • EJ

      It DOES matter that there are cities where white Britons are a minority. It’s an insult to our ancestors, it degrades every aspect of existence for those who were living there long before and destroys the prospects for their children.

  • dino

    I think I just got moderated for saying fooked. OK then, I fooking relocated to Canada. How’s that?

    • James Strong

      I think I got moderated for saying that there is no problem with Asians. The problem is what the the MSM refers to as ‘Asians’ when they know full well that their race has nothing to do with it but their culture does.

      • James Strong

        And this one got through; I guess the software must be on the lookout for a word beginning with ‘I’ and another word beginning with ‘M’.

        • Eddie

          Yes, odd, ain’t it!?!

        • Eddie

          Also, don’t use capitals – that makes the post go to moderation, it seems.
          The post I posted above was deleted at first solely because I used capitals! Posted again with no capitals – and bingo no probs.
          Moddy madness…

      • Wilhelm

        The BBC used the euphemism ” men ” when covering the Bradford Pakistani Muslim, child rape, court case. And, of course, they use ” yoofs ” for ebonic speakers. It’s NUJ guidelines, don’t ever mention race.

        Yet their names and mug shots give the game away.

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17993003

        • Sarah

          They were men, Wilhelm. Overall which characteristic do you think was more influential on their behaviour – their Maleness or their Asianness?

          When writing your essay, “White men and sexual behaviour, they have nothing to be proud of, Discuss.”
          please can you compare their mating behaviour with that of the following two groups:
          Asian non-men
          Male non-Asians

          Suggested reading list:
          The release of the review of annual sexual assault and rape figures today.
          And by all means refer to the studies on American male college students.
          Toby Young’s comedy piece in the upmarket Lads’ Mag, that is the Spectator, on the merits of keeping women financially disenfranchised and of inferior social value so that he can buy teenagers to sexually service him and wait on him into retirement.
          Rod Liddle’s comedy pieces in the upmarket Lads’ Mag that is the Spectator, on the merits of not investigating sexual crimes if they happened in the past, in an entertainment setting and he thinks they were probably up for it.

          • Eddie

            The fact that they were Asian was the most important feature of them – because it is that that allowed them to abuve young people for so long. If they had been white, they would have been stopped years earlier. But because they were Asian, a blind eye was turned by the (usually white) politically correct multiculti and diversity -trained jobsworths.

          • EJ

            Jesus who woke up the multi-culti bra burner?

            • Eddie

              EJ – don’t worry about Psycho Sarah – she is a regular manhating old harridan spouting hateful drivel on here. She’s got issues. Bless…

            • Sarah

              We never sleep.

              • Eddie

                See – that’ll be all the meds you take, love.

          • eric45

            If it is becoming a trend among certain cultural/religious groups then it must be clamped down on , hard and quickly. If it offends people within the wider group, then tough. Zero tolerance.

        • Eddie

          Yes indeed. The local newspaper where I used to live in north London had a policy of not mentioning the race or skin colour of muggers too. There wasn’t any need to though really: everyone knew they were almost always black.

          But I fail to understand why describing someone’s appearance is in any way discriminatory. It seemed, indeed, that certain people were trying to cover up what everyone knew but few dared point out.

        • bionde

          Don’t forget the latest case of appalling mass rape, groomimg and paedophilia in Oxford. If you find the names of the defendants you will find they all belong to the religion of peace.

  • ShoeOnHead

    as you speak Rod i can see the EDL are already getting lubed up in anticipation. nipple clamps already on. special d*ldo warming up.

    (shoe on head)

  • dino

    I fucked off to Canada!

    • Austin Barry

      Er, you have the same problem, mate. Check out Toronto and Vancouver.

      • dino

        sakatchewan

      • ArchiePonsonby

        You can say that again, squire!

    • Eddie

      Canada will be majority ethnic by 2020.

      • dino

        here is the ethnic make up of canada. i will grant you, there are too many friggin irish, but what can you do? http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/demo26a-eng.htm

        • Eddie

          That does not look like the Canada I visited in 2009 – where 1 in 7 in Vancouver are Chinese and Toronto and Ottawa will soon be majority ethnic. I suppose the stats show all the whities who lives in the boonies?

  • MichtyMe

    But, also from the census, those cities and London are the most “British” in their self identity. So Britishness is multiculturalism. More immigrants for a Greater Britain.

    • Wilhelm

      Huh ?

    • sarahsmith232

      so why exactly do you think that is? what? ’cause they are all so in awe of this country and feel such a great kinship with their white, non-Muslim citizens?
      no dear, the reason why they all say they’re British is ’cause they detest English people. saying they’re British means that they can align themselves with their own version of an identity. it’s just one that is saying that they like to live in a country which isn’t corrupt, where there are laws and it so it makes them feel safe.
      as for cultural alignment they see this as seperate from English people. they live still culturally as Asians but under Uk law, that is their version of being British.
      what on earth are you going on about dear, ‘Britishness is multiculturalism’ that’s not even a statement that makes any sense

      • ArchiePonsonby

        And it will all end in tears!

    • undergroundman14

      So Britishness is a burqa with a black African face is it? Well if thats Britishness, then what is Islamic and what is African? I use to be British, but you leftist/third world savages raped me of my ethnic identity.

    • Eddie

      Michymoo

      There speaks a parrot of the politically correct ideology of multiculturalism, which goes something like this:

      ‘Britain is a country of immigrants.

      Therefore there is no such thing as British.

      Therefore let’s have more and more and more immigrants.

      Because any immigrant is as British as anyone here already.’

      Not please:

      this odd logic is not applied to any other country – even though every nation and region in the world is just as much a ‘country of immigrants’ as Britain – Nigeria, France, Russia, India, the lot – everyone’s ancestors came from somewhere else. But we in Britian are the only ones to brainwash our children to hate our nation and our native culture.

      Immigration to the UK was minimal in the past. 1066 saw a small number of Normans – 1% of the population. Hugonauts were a few thousand. Ditto for all incomers. The Irish were more but not more. Mass immigration started after 1945.

      Why not have border controls and work permits? We are the most crowded nation in Europe. Moreover, studies have shown that there is no net benefit from immigration, None. So why have it?

      To make the indigenous population suffer and move out, so Labour MPs can get elected? Yep, maybe that’s it.

      To allow capitalist pigs to exploit workers, lower wages and make more profits? Yep thatr’s it too.

      The left and right in politics want more and more immigrants. A plague on them all, the traitors.

  • Noa

    Does it matter that white Britons are now a minority…?

    It matters to me Rod. I always wanted to go to populous exotic places with fascinating and fecund dark skinned people, who had several wives they beat to work, and who still who practiced clitorectomies or witchcraft. I didn’t think when I was younger that it would only cost me the price of a bus ride rather than an airfare, or that my taxes would be needed to keep them.

    Does it matter to you?

    • Chippie

      There are several problems with your comment. The biggest, however, is this:
      “who had several wives they beat to work, and who still who practiced clitorectomies or witchcraft. I didn’t think when I was younger that it would only cost me the price of a bus ride [to see these people]”
      I hope you have evidence that there are people in these communities that beat their wives and force their daughters to get clitorectomies. Because if you have no evidence then I would be forced to conclude that your accusations are unfounded.
      ps: If you do genuinely have evidence, then I suggest you head down to your local police station to tell them, rather than rambling about it on the internet.

      • Noa
        • Chippie

          Thank you.
          I’m sure that lots of people would have looked at my response to the original post and seen it as some kind of attempt to catch people off guard but it was a genuine point I was making that I despise people on the internet who just make sweeping generalisations about the Islamic community without any evidence. At the very least, you now have some stories which back up the view that these things do happen. There is of course, more debate to be had, six stories on the internet (well – more like four really) hardly excuse anyone labeling the entire Muslim community in the way you did in your original post. But there is a serious debate to be had about the treatment of women in Muslim communities and it isn’t to be had by talking like ‘Noa’ did on.his first post. I much prefer this new ‘Noa’. He sounds much better.

          As for your suggestion about the donation, I have made a contribution to amnesty international’s women’s right program.

          • Noa

            Six internet stories? A few minutes research on your part will give you all the reputable material you require. Migrationwatch is a good start point. And my link to the Home Office campaign against the 24,000 potential victims of FGM is hardy a story.
            But as invited by Mr Liddle, I was actually considering the changes wrought by mass immigration from the white Briton’s point of view. Rather selfish of me, but I’m of the unfashionable school that considers being British a privilege not a right, and not a free meal ticket to be abused by those who diminish and demean my country.
            All of the practices mentioned are both alien to our culture and religion and were formerly criminal. That vast, run down areas of Great Britain are now populated and controlled by immigrant majorities means that the values I share with my fellow indigenees, and possibly we ourselves, are being methodically eradicated in our own country.

            • Chippie

              I think that we actually agree on a lot of things. We both agree that violence against women, GFM, etc are real issues that we face in this country, and they are issues which, sadly, are more of a problem in Muslim communities than the rest of the population as a whole. I even think I agree with you that mass immigration causes numerous problems, and I that placing further control on immigration may be a solution – possibly the best solution – to these problems.

              My big objection to you is that your preferred method of presenting your arguments seems rather… Flawed. It’s most noticeable when you make sweeping generalisations about Muslims in this country which actually only apply to a minority of Muslims. (Unless you’re actually asserting that most Muslims beat women, engage in FGM, etc. Which would be quite an assertion.) You see, when you say that Muslims engage in wife beating, for example, and you fail to qualify your statements, then you effectively tar every Muslim with the brush of wife-beating. A better way to form your argument is to lead with statistics which show that Muslim’s are more likely to be victims of domestic violence, and then propose constructive steps we can take to address the problem.

              What I’m saying is that your points have merit, but that there is a better way of expressing your argument.

              ps: What’s wrong with witch-craft? In and of itself?

              • Noa

                Chippy, it’s a blog and you take it and possibly yourself, far too seriously.
                If CHr’s wanted a dialectic we’d read Hegel.

                • Chippie

                  We’re having a discussion involving various issues, such as multiculturalism, religion, and female genital mutilation. I take these issues very seriously – It’s the only way I know how.

                • Noa

                  Then “Does it matter that white Britons are now a minority in three towns or cities in this country?”

                  What do YOU think?

              • Fergus Pickering

                Well chopping up children because they are possessed by demons isn’t terribly nice, is it, Chippie?

            • Fergus Pickering

              We have had our disagreements about gay marriage (where you are wrong) but you are absolutely right here, Noa, and I salute you and your research. Chipppie’s faith in the police is rather sweet, buthe can’t have had many dealings with the self-serving bastards.

            • blujah

              I reckon that many of those who insist on defending the indefensible, are themselves enjoying vicarious deprivation. Guilty of being middle-class, perhaps, they seek to identify with the apparent downtrodden within our communities as some kind of atonement, or sublimated rage, at the lack of traction in their own lives. And while those apparent downtrodden, prejudiced against, are being indulged and defended, they are immune to any scrutiny whatsoever. The simple image of a woman walking behind man and he barking orders, is one example, which suggests to me that many communities descend fully formed onto British cities, slot into an allotted space and carry on as if they have not even touched the sides of another country.
              Is this a good thing?
              We are very accommodating, but would Noa allow me to enter his home, demand he make adjustments, show him utter indifference, whisper to my friends and family in his presence and then, finally, challenge his right to object. Micro, macro.

      • http://twitter.com/Harry_ca_Nab The Elderking

        Do you go around with a bag on your head Chippie? I suggest you take it off. You are, after all, only fooling yourself.

  • Jupiter

    You forgot that white Brits are also a minority in London according to the last census

    • sarahsmith232

      and only 17% in Newham.

      • Eddie

        Don’t you mean The Islamic Republic of Newham?
        I used to know someone (leftwing hypocrite teacher trainer lecturer) who worked at the college and simply adored Asian culture and the brown of face – so much so, she gave higher marks to Asian and black students than whites!
        Parts of London have been colonised and the incomers are not immigrants by colonialists with no respect for native values, traditions or culture.

        • trevor21

          Let’s not forget my lovely hometown of Rochdale,now better known as ‘Rochdalistan’ !

          • ArchiePonsonby

            Wonder what Eric Sykes thought?

            • Eddie

              He probably thought modern day Luton had become more alien and ‘other’ than the set of The Others, non?

              • ArchiePonsonby

                I meant Eric Sykes the native of Rochdale, and yes, I saw The Others.

                • Eddie

                  He’s probably think Rochdale had become ‘other’ too. Which British city hasn’t?
                  And which white native Britain really – if they are honest with themselves – is happy to see this invasion of colonisers from Africa and Asia and the utter crushing of the white working class?

                • ArchiePonsonby

                  Agree 100%!

    • Macky Dee

      Whites are the biggest ethnic group in all towns and cities in the UK. They are though, in these three places no longer the majority. Asians alone dont outnumber whites nor does any other ethnic group. It just means that as an ethnic group, whites are now outnumbered if you add all other ethnic groups together. BUT HEY! WHAT A GREAT (TABLOID-ISH) HEADLINE GRABBER!

      • DazEng

        Asians do not outnumber whites AT THE MOMENT!

        • Eddie

          Oh hoorah! Let’s crack open a bottle of ghee to celebrate!

          • DazEng

            lol

        • bionde

          Yet- look at the birthrates of the different ethnic groups. I give it 30 years at most and thankfully I will probably be dead by then

          • DazEng

            In which case, we so kindly hand the problem over to our children.

      • http://twitter.com/Harry_ca_Nab The Elderking

        Fact is that in a number of major Britiah cities indigenous Britons are now a minority – spin it how you might.

        We Never asked for this.

        • SirMortimerPosh

          It is the consequence of our desire to hold onto the giant Ponzi Scheme called Social Security. We have so many liabilities now in terms of benefits and pensions that they can nolonger be paid for by the money invested by existing members (the original population) so, just like Bernie Maddoff, the Labour government over a period of years embarked on a huge recruiting scheme for new members, whose contributions to the great investment scheme would go someway to staving off its ultimate collapse. They dressed this up as ‘the right of family re-union’, EU law, the wonderful multicultural society etc, but underneath it all, they knew their mad tottering benefits scheme REQUIRED new recruits or it would collapse in a financial disaster of monstrous proportions.

          I wondered for years why they did it, but this is the only answer which does not require that they were all on hallucinogenic drugs.

          • GentlemanPugilist

            Surely if that was the motivation for mass-immigration then the new arrivals would have to be net contributors to said scheme? The fact is many immigrants are actually a net drain on our benefits system, which is why some local authorities refused to disclose the percentage of social housing given to foreigners recently. If they take low paid work, then they will receive Tax Credits, quite possibly amounting to £100s per week.

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  • The_Savage

    Enclave city here we come.

    • Eddie

      Yep, it’s doughnut time, just like in the USA: cities are becoming dangerous black holes surrounded by doughy white suburbs.
      Not much unity in diversity in the USA, eh? Enclaves, and segregation on the ground: that is what we have too now.
      What idiot politician in this country thought that massive immigration from the Third world was such a good idea. Oh wait – they all did.
      Can we charge them with something for doing this? Or, I dunno, shoot em maybe?

  • DougS

    Come, friendly bombs and fall on Slough…………no, it’s a cheap shot and I really shouldn’t.

    On the other hand!

    • Eddie

      I have never been to Slough.
      But if it’s anything like Luton – which I was unfortunate to visit once, 20 years ago, for a job interview (the state has lots of offices there in order to recruit all those diverse, brown candidates, I think…). then I am indeed a lucky man.
      Never again…

      • ArchiePonsonby

        About right. I worked in Luton in 1969/70 and don’t remember too many brown or black faces, but it was still a dump, even then!

      • Teacher

        I lived in Luton briefly as a teenager and I can tell you it was a depressing, ugly, horrible place to live. I now live three miles from Slough and it is worse.

        • Latimer Alder

          You’re not very good at picking places to live are you?

          • Teacher

            Well…I don’t live IN Slough. I live in a drop-dead gorgeous village.

            • Eddie

              So you live in the ‘dough’ of white suburban delight…
              Not the dark hole ‘nut’ of nefarious ethnic majority doom that is Slough central?

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