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Maria Miller survives £90,000 expenses claims, for now

17 December 2012

9:19 AM

17 December 2012

9:19 AM

Both the former Labour MP Tony McNulty and the present Culture Secretary Maria Miller claimed parliamentary second home expenses for houses in which their respective parents lived. This is in contravention of accepted procedure.  McNulty apologised, paid the money back, resigned his cabinet position and his seat. Maria Miller is somehow still the Culture Secretary and has the Prime Minister’s “full support”, as well as a still agreeably full bank account: she has paid back nowt. The only difference I can see between the two cases is that McNulty claimed £13,000 whereas Miller pocketed £90,000.  David Laws, meanwhile, is back in a quasi-cabinet role despite having diddled the taxpayer out of more than £40,000. The suspicion persists that when it comes to fiddling expenses, only the expendable MPs get the chop. The rest keep their jobs – and the money.

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  • bob widget

    yes, all very interesting

  • http://vipnews-al.info/ vipnews-al.info

    Agreed ! Thieves and liars should be arrested !

  • dino

    I do not comment much, but I read often. I do not agree with most of the things that Sarah says, she has the kind of politics that I do not really like, but seriously, Eddie, stop being such a wanker. Every time you get offensive like this she makes you look even more stupid. I get that some lady has hurt you in the past (or you have difficulty getting them) and it is hardly surprising given the way you act on here pal. Let your arguments do the talking and lay off the personal stuff. It makes you come across as a twat when you might not be.

    • Oliver

      Absolutely. Eddie is a bully, a creep, and brings sex and race into almost every discussion. He even had a go at blacks in the the thread about the Newtown shootings – his hang-ups with blacks, Asians and women are nothing short of pathological. He has the makings of another Anders Brevik, worryingly. Sarah makes an excellent point that Eddie wouldn’t dare speak to a man in the offensive way he talks to her. And as for the obscene references, they are the sign of a loser who is clearly not getting any…

      • camillapaglia

        I agree – Eddie is a disgraceful bigot. See the casual reference to ‘Sambo’ above, and how he manages to speak for the whole black and Asian community and how allegedly homophobic they are. They guy is a nutter, obsessed with “devious” women and sly blacks and Asians. In the thread about Newtown, his first observation on that tragedy, before expressing grief or horror or anything else, was: “Probably the same number of children get shot in an average week in the projects populated by black Americans. ” The guy is pathologically hung up on black people or feminists. Surely not even the most dyed-in-the-wool white supremacist or KKK member would have used Newtown as a frankly unfathomable excuse to blame blacks for gun violence. Nice one, Eddie! Keep drinking the Kool Aid. Start building up your arsenal now, for when the darkies become a majority in the UK. Those census figures must be the stuff of nightmares for you!

        • Eddie

          Your sanctimonious stuck-up twerp! My references to race are not racist – they are either humourous or they are descriptive. Most blacks and Asians are VERY backwards in their thinking and homophobic. That why California voted against gay marriage – whites were in favour; but the vote went the other way because of gay-hating blacks (who all go gay in jail anyway).
          This is a British magazine – not some forum for mad American feminist racists and sexists like you, Cammie.
          By the way, how’s that facial hair coming along? Maybe soon you could pass for the man you so desperately want to be, Ms Santa.

          • Max

            Humorous is the correct spelling, Eddie. Maybe a BNP voter would find ‘sambo’ side-splittingly funny, but nobody with a conscience. Thanks for you psephological insight into the Californian political scene. I’m sure the issue is a simple as you say it is. You should offer your services to the Republican Party – perhaps the next Karl Rove, rather than some womanhating loser in the Welsh valleys.

            • Eddie

              Oh grow you little TWERP! You are clearly such an ignorant fart-dribbler that you do not realise context is all when it comes to English usage.
              My use of words is not racist – and ANY word can be funny, and jokes about race can too (they are NOT racist jokes).
              Whaty I despise wbout cunts like you is the way you assume you have the moral high ground and the right to call anyone you dislike WAYCIST. And why? What qualifies you? NOTHING!
              You are an ignorant, self-righteous prick – and probably a racist, a rapist and a paedo too. I have no evidence for that – so am just following your lead in makin accusations againts others without evidence. Hoist by your own petard, farty pants!
              Now go away, sonny, and do your homework – otherwise you’ll never get that magical 5th GCSE.

      • Eddie

        Oli-vah- oli-vah never before has a man mattered less.

        No Sarah does not make any sensible point. If any man spoke to me like Psycho Sarah – accused me of being a rapist and a paedo – then I would respond in exactly the same correct and forceful way.
        You Oliver are obviously a racist and a paedophile. I have no evidence for saying thatm, but as Sarah accuses me of the same with no evidence, and you support her in doing that, I thought I’d call you one. Hoist by your own petard, creep.

  • terence patrick hewett

    Tyburn and the stocks. There is a useful spike at London Bridge.

  • http://ajbrenchley.com/ puss-in-plimsolls

    To Rod Liddle: I think the Telegraph overdoes its ‘moderation’: no rhyme or reason, arbitrary, and too willing to pull even those posts that no one is offended by.

    But do you think it’s right that someone should make a purely offensive purely sexual and crassly disrespectful comment to Sarah, as below (I won’t repeat it: you can see it, as I know it won’t be pulled)? It has nothing to do with whose side anyone is on. It has to do with bare-minimum civility in a public forum.

    • Baron

      puss, quite, Baron seconds it, there should be no place for such language here, it’s infantile, sophomoric, profane, it doesn’t advance the argument, merely masks it, it lacks wit, and says more about those indulging in it than their opponents.

      • http://ajbrenchley.com/ puss-in-plimsolls

        Merry Christmas, Baron. Sincerely. You are one of the two people on the worldwide blogs I really wish I could meet in person. Dinner, a stroll in the countryside, a nice bottle of el vino (that’s for you: I’ll have a bottle — that’s two, and then some port). It would be a pleasure.

        • Baron

          thanks puss, and since the Mayas got it wrong, Merry Christmas to you, too. Be good and take great care.

    • Eddie

      Listen Pussy – you are criticisng me for replying in kind to a vile nasty liar like Sarah (who Rod himself fingered as a psycho, so to speak, on anyother page).

      Nothing wrong with being ‘disrespectful’ at all – you Americans are such puritans what with your anti-septic race-obsessed toytown level fo debate.

      If Sarah doesn’t want to be verbally attacked by those who can show her to be the psychotic loon she is, then shje should not accuse other posters of being sexist, racist, rapists and paedophiles.

      You are one of the many ignoramuses in the world who talks utter piffle while not knowing the full facts of the situation. Seems to be the American way, that – what with going to war on a whim without evidence.

      I can call anyone who falsely accuses me of being a rapist and a paedophile anything I damn well want.

      Civility? Look up the word, and then look back at Sarah’s posts making such disgusting allegations against innocent men. It is my right to be rude and disrespectful against such twerps. I don’t mind that her lies and posts ae allowed to remain = I believe in free speech. But to have self-righteous ignorant tits like you back up Psychotic liars and loons like Sarah who have accuses innocent men of horrible things simply because they’ve annoyed that they’ve been outargued and shown to be deranged, is really shameful.

      Sarah has not wrritten ONE single intelligent post here – she just responded to my first intelligent post with abuse. And you back her up. Idiot, Amanda.

  • HooksLaw

    Can we get at least one thing straight – as opposed to parading round la-la land with a big placard saying ‘I am a thick idiot’?

    In the case of Mcnulty, In March 2009, he admitted claiming expenses on a second home, occupied by his parents, which was 8 miles away from his primary residence.

    This was blatant fraud. I can’t think why he is not in jail.
    His parents were occupying this house alone whilst he lived elsewhere.
    Miller shares the house with her parents.

    Liddle cannot even get the fact right that McNulty claimed 60,000 (Telegraph).

    Its sad that a reporter with an alleged reputation should be so cavalier with facts in order to suit his prejudice. Its even sadder that the Spectator gives him airtime. But then with every day that goes by the Speccy’s reputation goes ever further down the tubes. I guess it figures any old rubbish can be put on the webnet.

    • Baron

      thanks God we have you, HooksLaw, you seem to be pushing the reputation of this rag in the right direction.

      Do Miller’s parents contribute?, tell us.

      • HooksLaw

        Do they? Why should they contribute. Do a politicians children contribute?

        I might have to live with my children one day.
        One day my mother in law might have to live with me.

        Its utterly pathetic that parents living with their daughter should produce these rancid comments. I see Liddel has not fessed up to the shambles of his article.

    • interested

      give us the proper facts then

  • Peter Treadwell

    Rather than getting into a lather about this dishonest woman, let’s wait and see whether her constituency’s electors forgive her. It is up to them.

  • Baron

    Isn’t that what one gets in an autocracy, a system of government that doesn’t tolerate a genuine opposition, suppresses everything that threatens its hold on power, rewards, sycophancy?

    The opposition party, here Labour, should be raising hell in the House about Miller’s expenses, Huhne’s driving discrepancy, Laws’s unfinished investigation and stuff, but don’t. They have no intention of kicking the set-up down, and why should they? They will enjoy the same unchecked powers when they get in.

    The institutions that used to be independent of the governing elite, keeping the powerful in check – the CPS, the judiciary, the police – have been shamelessly politicized, are impotent in carrying out their statutory duties unless the top honcho gives them the green light.

    That’s the 21st century hybrid of democracy of a country once regarded as the cradle of it.

    How did we get here, ha?

    • Lungfish

      completely right Baon- what the hell happened?, I was born in 66, same year as our dumb prime minister. Since that time our poor country has suffered some terrible politicians. But maybe its a deeper malaise?- a self destructive self hatred guilt complex. Maybe Eddie has the answer!? Christ knows he can type pretty quick.

      • Eddie

        My solution: pour yourself another drink and wait for the inevitable – massive overpopulation, the collapse of Western economies, the extinction of most wildlife and the invasion of our little yellow fascist friends the Chinese, to whom all Brits will have to kowtow like coolies now they’ve got all the money (thanks to our government’s treacherous policies).

        Democracy creates the problem, because all governments, instead of doing what’s right for our country long-term (eg controlled immigration, investment in infrastructure, stopping foreign aid, buying British for all state departments) they just think short-term – eg try and make property prices rise to silly levels so people feel rich and spend money on consumer crap – and pander to voters.

        Me, I would rather vote for pandas, frankly. They’re my favourite Chinkies!

        Merry Christmas – have a drinkl! (in your case (Psycho Sarah, I’d recommend the Terroire de Domestos 2009).

        • Robert Taggart

          Lupo needs no invitation to sample ‘liquid comfort’ – he be ‘swimming’ in it !

          • Eddie

            Just mind out for the ‘taste the difference’ bleach special reserve – we’re saving a case of that for Psycho Sarah!

            • Oliver

              Eddie: you are a bully, a creep, and you bring sex and race into almost every discussion. You even had a go at blacks in the the thread about the Newtown shootings – your hang-ups with blacks, Asians and women are nothing short of pathological. You have the makings of another Anders Brevik, worryingly. Sarah makes an excellent point that you wouldn’t dare speak to a man in the offensive way you talk to her. And as for the obscene references, they are the sign of a loser who is clearly not getting any…

              • Eddie

                Oli-vah oli-vah never a poster has been such a prat!
                The articles at the top of this page is abou gender – a woman MP gets off; a male MP loses his job and gets charged and sent to prison. Ergo it’s relevant.
                The shooting in the US did concern race – and if you can’t see that then you are a dumb as you sound.
                Oh and now you are accusing me of a being a sexist (for demanding gender equality in law) a racist (for pointing out that blacks do most gun crime) and that I want to murder hundreds of people like some Norweigian woodentop. Jeez.
                I respond in kind – so Psycho Sarah has accused me of being a rapist and a paedo, in vile disgusting language. If the bint can’t take it, she shouldn’t dish it out!
                I can speak to anyone any way I want, twerp.
                Yes, you are a loser who clearly isn’t getting any. Meet Sarah. Maybe you could book a therapy session together (though the boring bint would probably think the therapist was THE RAPIST).

                • Max

                  The article is about double standards and expendable MPs. To quote Rod Liddle: “The suspicion persists that when it comes to fiddling expenses, only the expendable MPs get the chop.” Rod says nothing about gender. What the expenses scandal shows is that the Tory MPs in question, who can afford better lawyers, are generally a bit more savvy about these matters, and of course benefit from being the party in power, manage to get off a lot more lightly. All the MPs who’ve served time are Labour.

                  Please do explain about how the shooting in the US had anything to do with race. It was white killing overwhelmingly white, in a lily white state. You are a headcase – a race-obsessed headcase. Please, anybody who agrees with me about “Eddie”, let’s refer to him as Breivik instead. Living in his own little white supremacist echo chamber.

                • Eddie

                  Listen Maxie – I did not bring up the US shootings on this page! Some American femibot started blagging about how anyone who dares mention that most US gun crime is done by blacks is a racist (it always makes me smile when Americans accuse others of racism…) The Americans are obsessed with race – not me.
                  Look at my first post on this article. That made intelligent points. It got a vile abusive response from Psycho Sarah, then her femi-fwends came and starting prattling on about race (I did not bring that up, you twerp!). Ergo, you should really be having a go at them, not me.
                  Rod did not mention gender – I did, and justifiably. Women MPs on the fiddle get off (I even named one!); male MPs get sent down and lose their jobs. Why does the law seemt o be treating women thieves with kid gloves eh? It is noticeable and wrong – and if it were the other way round, you can bet that the feminasties would be screaming about a sexist conspiracy against women!
                  It is an issue so I mention it. Now if you can’t understand that, go and watch Jeremy Kyle or some other show appropriate to your intellectual level.
                  You are the one who sounds like a nutjob, sonny. You racist white supremicist moron.

                • Max

                  Priceless. To be mocked about my intellectual level by somebody who mis-spells words longer than two syllables – Pyscho and supremicist, for starters. Just crawl back under your stone, Breivik, and start prepping for the day whitey is in the minority. Sleep tight, and don’t let the feminasties bite – you pathetic little man.

                • Eddie

                  Max – you are clearly a lower lifeform like Sarah.

                  Sorry, but your abusive and sick attempt to call me after a mass murderer has only one effect: making you seem sick and desperate.

                  Race hate? Not from me – I merely describe the reality of the inner cities, and not on this thread either (only twerps like you have banged on about race here).

                  Misogyny? Again not from me: I want men and women treated equally by the courts and no spcial treatment given to women.

                  IP address? Well, seeing as Sarah has accused me of being a paedo and a rapist (just because that’s the kind of gal she is), and that I am only responding to my stalker in kind I think you’ll find any judge would be backing me.
                  Really, you are a bit of an idiot taking the side of a vile manhater who thinks all bad in the world is because of men, and accuses anyone who challenges her psycho thinking of being a paedo and a rapist.
                  I hope the victims of the man you mention will forgive you your filthy disgusting use of that name.
                  Saddo.

                • Max

                  Breivik, you referred to the government’s “treacherous” policies regarding immigration the other day. Strong language, treason – and exactly the kind of language your namesake used in his 1,500 page manifesto of hate. Who are the government committing treason against? The British population is steadily growing, through the birthrate and immigration. What is it about immigrants arriving legally in the UK that constitutes treachery? And why do you distinguish between a natural increase in the birthrate, and the increase through immigration? Is it a philosophical position, or do you just dislike brown people? The fact you throw the word “Sambo” around suggests you have a difficult relationship with ethnic minorities. Are you a fan of Bernard Manning, or Roy Chubby Brown – two people who like you think it’s just harmless fun to make racist epithets about foreigners.

                • Eddie

                  Please call Norway, mental Max – I think your hero is behind bars there. Look for a long thin phone book with fjords on the cover; that’ll be it!

                  This thread is not about race or immigration, and I have not even mentiuoned it. Why? Because I stay on topic and respond to the article above; you on the other hand are a race-obsessed nutcase.

                  Now go bang a bongo and get in touch with your roots, sonny.

                  There are lots of threads about race – post your pompous arse-dribble drivel there.

                  I am no racist because you say I am, titjob!

                  You are a racist for calling me one, actually.

                • Max

                  PS – Breivik, does your employer know you spend all day posting misogyny and race hate all day online? It surely wouldn’t be hard to trace your IP address, if somebody could be bothered! Some of the filth you’ve posted about Sarah and the female anatomy would probably go down quite poorly with HR. (Cue a torrent of abuse from Breivik about the feminisation of the workplace zzzzzzzzzzz)

              • Lungfish

                Oh, don’t be a tit Olly

            • camillapaglia

              Ad hominem attacks against women. Classy.

              • Eddie

                In response to insults and abuse against me. Justified and Classy therefore, miss moomoo.

              • Eddie

                Camilla – I assume you will also therefore condemn all ad hominem attacks by women on men here? Or is it just the women you defend – because they’re women.

                YOU UTTER SEXIST HYPOCRITE!
                But then, you probably approve of Sarah accusing any man who challenges her frankly perverted and sick thinking of being a paedophile and a rapist.
                The fact is though: most women would disagree with you and think you both sad pathetic stupid manhating feminists – you are both misandrist and misogynist, in other words.

          • Lungfish

            I am a bit of a pisshead yes- what of it?

            • Robert Taggart

              Us ‘tipplers’ should have a drink together – to put the world to rights !

              • Lungfish

                But I haven’t seen you since 77 Robert!

                • Robert Taggart

                  There be a lot to put right then !
                  There be be much need for a tipple or two, or three, or… !!!

        • Lungfish

          You have a good Christmas Baron, I’m way past caring on just about every subject you could possibly imagine- apart from Sarah taking it up the exhaust pipe, now that really is beyond the pale!

          • Baron Pippin II

            Lungfish, young sir, chin up, what is the matter with you, things change, will change, just keep calm and more importantly keep breathing, that’s the secret of longevity, keeping the lungs moving.

            And Merry Christmas to you too

  • David Ossitt

    Robbing from the tax-payer is not your normal everyday theft, mugging, burglary etcetera.

    It is pernicious, it has about it a disregard, a disdain, contempt for what is right and proper, and it smacks of ‘privilege’.

    This two tier justice system (them and the rest of us) goes from bad to worse.

    The crooked members of parliament and those bloodsucking members of the
    upper house who have escaped facing justice for their criminal misdeeds were
    just the start.

    The MP for Rotherham who confessed his dastardly crimes but will escape any form of prosecution because of parliamentary privilege.

    The husband of a labour minister, whose chicanery helped save the ‘Bunga-Bunga’ champion of Italy, gets off on technicalities.

    The stealing, scheming liar Margaret Moran escapes justice because she is
    deemed too ill to stand trial (and yet the trial went ahead in her absence),
    she was well enough to commit her crimes, she like the others should be doing
    serious time in prison.

    But this post was prompted by the article in the Mail on Sunday yesterday
    where a liberal peer has let it be known that the charge of perverting the
    course of justice against that dreadful man Christopher Murray Paul-Huhne
    (Chris Huhne) and his ugly ex-wife will be quietly dropped in the New Year.

    Perverting the course of justice is a heinous crime and the law recognises
    it as such by allowing a life sentence in extreme cases, if this couple do not
    stand trial then at every election where liberals are fielding a candidate the
    public should be reminded of this matter.

    A small point, do look closely at the photograph above, look at the eyes she
    is guilty and this will follow her for the rest of her miserable life, I hope
    that her rabbit dies and that she can’t sell the rabbit-hutch.

    • Shakassoc

      Look into her eyes, her eyes…

    • Noa

      “… I hope that her rabbit dies and that she can’t sell the rabbit-hutch.”

      And I hope that the house she has cross-subsidised with your taxes and mine suffers from severe mining subsidence and the slates falling from the roof decapitate her prize hollyhocks.

  • Eddie

    Yep and Labour former MP Margaret Moran was certainly no moron when she put on an act of full-on weepy nuttery in court: she got let off diddling us all of £53000.

    She got no criminal conviction either – (not like those threats of society like 17 year olds who say ‘sambo’ on Facebook or anyone done from a very minor offence as a youngster) because she managed to blub and dribble her way through the mental health act loophole, despite other MPs getting sent down for less.

    Why? Well, she’s a woman, so is treated less harshly by the courts and their parties than the men, who are seen as deserving and needing punishment (and if a man had cried and tried to get off because he was depressed, he would have got a heavier sentence probably!). Ditto for Maria Miller – who should be forced (at gunpoint if necessary) to repay the money she stole from the public. I couldn’t care less if Cameron allows her to stay – so desperate is he for the women’s vote (traditionally Tory) that any female MP (however utterly useless) into a cabinet position – but I do care that she still has our dosh in her Coutts account!

    • Sarah

      “Well she’s a woman [and women etc] and if a man had cried and tried to get off because he was depressed, he would have got a heavier sentence probably!”

      Ha ha, good one. As if men just cry when they get depressed. They’d get a longer prison sentence because they would have held their wife hostage at gunpoint and shot at police through the window, or taken their kids to a quarry and stabbed them to death, or shot their girlfriend through the face with a cross bow, or hanged themselves in the garage for their family to find, or massacred a kindergarten class, probably.

      • Eddie

        Pyshco alert! Psycho alert!
        Go on, Psycho Sarah, tell us REALLY why you hate men. Did daddy fondle your front bottom? Did the boys pull your pigtails? Did all the lads laugh at sad Sarah’s tits at the school disco? Did you have your period in the showers? Mein Gott – you’re CARRIE, aincha?!
        The fact the MPs who got off scot free are female IS a MAJOR factor; and the fact that the MPs who got locked up are men is also relevant. This is one debate in which gender does seem to matter (worth any man in court putting in a frock and blubbing like a weeping wendy to try and get off eh? The judges are so fucking stupid and backwards, what with their public school education, that they assume all women are sugar and spice and fluffy wickle bunnies who never commit crimes, and if they do, must have had an attack of the vapours in order to do so!)
        I am advocating the EQUAL treatment of men and women in courts of law actually. You’d think feminists – who tell everyone they want gender equality would agree with that; the fact they don;t speaks volumes. They are and never have been interested in equality between men and women – never. That is the sheert hypocrisy of feminism: a sexist ideology which is founded on inflicting disadvantage on men.
        And let’s not forget that 1) most babies and half of children who are killed are killed by women, usually their mothers; 2) that behind every murderous psycho man is a woman who made him that way (well, I am using the same token feminists do when they claim behind every great man there’s a great woman, so how can you possibly disagree?)

        • Austin Barry

          Eddie, please don’t attack Sarah like this. She probably has enough issues going on in her pretty little head without you adding to them.

          • Geoff

            Eddie and Sarah are the same person. It’s just a game “they” play.

            • Sarah

              Now I really am insulted.

          • Sarah

            Aww shucks Austin, you think I’m perdy? I’m all embarrassed now.

            No wait, that’s not it. Embarrassed? I know, I’m embarrassed for you!

        • Hexhamgeezer

          Are yous two married?

          • Terry

            Pretty much my thought.
            Though more likely divorced.

        • Sarah

          You’ve already had your made up statistics debunked by me and others more than once, so I can’t be bothered to do it again. I invite people to refer to the NSPCC site.

          • Eddie

            Most babies who are killed are killed by their mothers. Fact.
            Around half of children who are killed are killled by women – usually their mothers.
            Much emotional and violent abuse is done by women, often mothers. Men who commit abuse are usually in the family – or have been invited into it by single mothers.
            These are the facts.
            But never let a good conspiracy theory (ie that all men are paedos and bastards and rapists and responsible for all child abuse) get in the way of the facts eh?
            Fact is, most child abuse as a whole is done by women in the home.
            YOu Sarah have never debunked anything I have ever said – au contraire, you have proven its veracity with the venom of your spitting sexism and sanctimony.

        • Sarah

          Firstly, you’ll have to provide some evidence that women and men are being treated differently. Then you’ll have to provide some evidence that this is because of gender. Finally you’ll have to address why it might be that female MPs are regarded at more valuable to the party with reference to the bias in the public school system, degree examination process, political selection process, parliamentary working practices, within the electorate and ‘free’ press. Then we can talk about equality, level playing fields and stuff like that if you like.

          • Eddie

            The evidence is there, bint, if you can drag yourself away from your conspiracy theory victim-craving grass-is-greener femibotty pity party and look at the facts instead of the fabricated delusions you call facts.
            I gave the evidence: men accused of fiddling expenses lost their careers and/or went to prison; women accused get no real punishment at all.
            Level playing field? Well, these days men are disadvantaged in many areas – havin to suffrer a feminised education system, discrimination in the name of ‘positive action’ and much else besides.
            There is no unfair gender pay gap either – that is a lie parroted by morons who believe any Fawcett society press release. Same job, same quals, same experience and men and women earn the same. However, if you look ate the AVERAGE then yes, on average men earn more because men do high level intelligence, ambition, risktaking in private sector jobs, and genius (which women do not do according to Germane Greer). You have to know basic maths to understand how that can skew the reality by selectively using averages.
            Fact is, there is no unfair gender pay gap and women are not treated unfairly at all: anyone who claims that is a moron or a liar.
            Oh yes, and men pay way more tax than women too and women claim way more in state benefits p and most generously-paid state jobs go to women (nive risk-averse secure jobs until recently as women were coining it from the system).
            Now Sarah – go and pour yourself a glass of something (Domestos perhaps – it’s a cheeky little number with a robust bouquet) and stop being such a miserable femi-bore!
            Buy a cucumber or something – and take that femi-scowl off your bitter little face: it’s stick like that if you’re not careful, and then your face as well as your vag will look as pinched as a cat’s bottom!

      • John Mackie

        Gosh!

      • Bob Widget

        I’ll bet you love it up the shitter Sarah?

        • Terry

          Well Bob. some girls do and some girls don’t. They all prefer to be asked though, rather than have guys lay bets on them. Of course the answer they give often depends on who’s doing the asking. Do you see where I’m coming from with this Bob?

          Terry

          • Sarah

            Bobdie isn’t the asking kind.

            • Terry

              Sarah

              I disagree with you much of the time but the way that Eddie, and now Bob Widget, talk to you is unacceptable. They wouldn’t dare talk like that to a man; They know they’d get their teeth knocked out and they’re nowhere near as brave as they pretend to be. I wonder why they think they can do it to you?

              Go in peace women – I even forgive you for the “epic fail” jibe.

              Puss- Where are you? I thought you were on the side of the angels.

              Terry
              (train failure -working from home- too much to drink)

              • sarah

                Thanks for you post and for stepping up and doing the right thing. Not many do.

                But it’s water off a duck’s back. When you go toe to toe with a misogynist, you expect them to behave like a misogynist, I don’t take it as any judgement on me, this is his thing and I want him to look at it. Anyone who is interested should look up Anita Sarkeesian if you want to see this behaviour when men like him form a feral pack.

                If I were a man not only wouldn’t he dare, he wouldn’t be motivated to talk to me like that because he doesn’t hate men. I experimented once posting to him as a man and got a different kind of response, still moronic, but different moronic.

                If I were black because he’s a racist, he’d be reaching for the racist stereotypes and insults, because I’m female he’s reaching for the sexist ones and because he’s also a misogynist he’s reaching for the standard fare of sexual aggression; he’s getting rapey in other words.
                If the Spectator want to encourage and host this kind of thing that’s their look-out, I guess it’s a blow for freedom of speech or something. His at least, I expect lots of other women give the site a wide berth.

                • Eddie

                  Classic post from Sarah the Psycho:

                  “he’s getting rapey in other words”
                  So, I post that you – a nothing called Sarah who has constantly stalked me around these boards and gone off-topic all the time, who accuses me of being a paedo, rapist, racist (papist?) – are out of order and clearly deranged and mentalist in your weird sexist pervy opinions, and for that you cann me a rapist.
                  Well, you are PROOF that women lie aabout rape and sex abuse then. No women can ever really be believed when they accuse men any more – not with idiot feminasties like you fabricating ‘evidence’ and lying. Ever thought of joining the police force? Lovely truncheons eh? Some of them vibrate, apparently…

                • Eddie

                  “Thanks for you post and for stepping up and doing the right thing. Not many do.”
                  Oh HILARIOUS! Give me a break, sister! Your sleazy sanctimony is nearly melting the Christmas tree!
                  ‘The right thing’ huh? What like accusing other posters of being rapists and paedophiles when they outargue you – thereby demeaning and devaluing the REAL abuse that some suffer at the hands of men AND women.
                  You really are a sicko. And I treat you appropriately – ie responding in kind to your vile insults.
                  But those people who cry wolf (and those idiots who support them) are vicariously guilty of child abuse and rape – because they encourage it to happen with their lies and deceit.
                  Time to stop crying wolf, sisters – it is disgusting when people do that. YOu should be ashamed.

                • Bob

                  dumb arse unthinking dozy trot

                • bob

                  In fact the more I think about it Sarah- yes very annoying dipstick preacher dumbarse student

              • http://ajbrenchley.com/ puss-in-plimsolls

                Terry: Eh, honey? I defended Sarah and criticized the Spectator for allowing Bob’s bully comments (though Eddie’s are hardly better) to stand.

                • Eddie

                  And let’s not be sexist here or forget the posts that spew out of Sarah’s gob – the vile disgusting abuse, the accusations that all men who disagree with her twisted pervy manhating world view are ergo misogynists, rapists, paedophiles etc.
                  Best to know who you’re standing up for before you play the pity party hug monitor eh?

                • Terry

                  Puss,

                  Yup,so you did – Sorry about that. I didn’t read further down the comments before barging in. You could of course always treat my mistake as suggestive of a compliment rather than of a reproach.

                  Well, I think I’ve had enough of this blog comment thing for a bit.

                  If you get to swap bottles with The Baron enjoy yourselves ( see- I can read when I want to! ) Tomorrow I’m off to spend time with a good friend – no internet – martinis – in excess – how else?
                  I hear that the Mayans predicted that tomorrow also brings the end of the world: That has got to be a coincidence, though It does bring to mind a line by a poet (Roger McGough maybe?) “Let me die a young man’s death”.

                  See you around,

                  Terry

                • http://ajbrenchley.com/ puss-in-plimsolls

                  Hi Terry,

                  Compliment taken: thanks very much. The blog comment thing: I hear you, and agree.

                  Have a lovely Christmas. See you some time in the new year, perhaps.

              • Eddie

                Errr – and so you ignore the vile disgusting posts Sarah has aimed at me and others? Then you criticise us for responding in kind? Are you a high court judge perhaps? Always with the chivalry and double standards?
                Psycho Sarah has amongst other things accuse me of being: a rapist, a racist (and probably a papist), and child abuser, a paedo and someone who encouraged child abuse. Any evidence for her opinions? Nope.
                I think anyone who makes such accusations are any innocent man deserves all they get.

                • Richard

                  No Eddie (et al). You lose the argument, or rather give it away, with your vile and base insults. I’d be prepared to listen to a sensible discussion about why these women have got away with it, but you’ve driven me, in a coach of much discomfort, into Sarah’s (women’s) corner.

                  You all strike me as men who beat their wives/girlfriends and claim that it isn’t your fault — it’s theirs.

                  God knows I’ve been around the block and I’ve had a few affairs with some women who I wish I hadn’t met, but I hope that because of these mistakes haven’t seized the chance to become an abusive, juvenile, violent prick.

                • Eddie

                  You are the ignorant prick Richard – and you are defending a psychotic poster who has stalked me around these boards and flung vile abuse and accusations at me – of being a rapist, a paedo and goodness knows what else.
                  READ my first post. That is about the only intelligent post on this thread. Sarah the Psycho replied to that post with her usual libela nd slander against me – so SHE and YOU lose the argument. I win it – as my post shows.

              • Bob

                fuck off Tel

            • Eddie

              So now you are accusing a poster here (albeit one whose post is rather near the bone, as’t were) of being a rapist because.
              Well done. Congratulations. You’ve excelled yourself again Sarah. You win the manhating loon award 2012.
              Perhaps we need some laws to protect men against the false accusations of being rapists and paedos? And full anonymity too – in the name of equality. The way some feminists have fed off child abuse stories to press their own agenda is really sick and vile.
              We need to arrest some of these spitting hissyfit feminists now. Make them see that accusing men of such things in revenge or as a weapon of hate is NOT acceptable – and in fact crying wolf like that will ultimately hurt victims of sex attacks who won’t be believed because of morons like Sarah.

            • Bob Widget

              I am – I was just being rude

              • Eddie

                Apparently, according to Sarah, you are getting ‘rapy’. Or is it ‘rapey’? So, you’re a rapist now as is anyone who disagrees with Sarah – you’re probably a paedo too in her eyes.
                I think the best thing to do is just synpathise with a mentally ill weirdo like Sarah, and be sad for all real victims of abuse (from men or women) whose accusations are devalued by those manhaters like Sarah who calle all men rapists and paedos.
                You were rude to Sarah but she deserved it! You didn’t accuse her of being a rapist or a paedo, which is what she did to you and me and others. Ergo, we have the moral high ground.

        • Sarah

          I’ll bet you do, Eddie.

        • Eddie

          The shitter? Do you mean the good ole Gary Glitter?

          Or do you mean the orifice of Sarah’s the spews shite (ie her big harriden gob-hole?).

          Pity the man who enters any orifice of ‘orribleness that belongs to Pyscho Sarah. Cobwebs and thrush are a hawful combination, guvnor!

          • Terry

            Cut it out man -you’re coming across as one hell of a creep

            • HooksLaw

              only coming across? The gobshite is a grade A creepo from creepsville in creepyland. With a toytown brain.

              • Eddie

                terry the creep – meet hooklas the creep – have fun guys!
                maybe you can have some real perty fun and rap some kids together. YOWDEE.
                The weakiling mentally ill saddo me are on their knees.

            • Eddie

              Not nearly as much as you are, boy, every time you defend a well-known psychotic hate-spitting manhating bint aho has accused me and others of being a paedo and a rapist (just for disagreeing with her weird sexist views).
              A little learning is a dangerous thing. QED.

              • Bob Widget

                I was only asking a simple question- no need to take it seriously

                • Eddie

                  I know – I thought it was hilarious BECAUSE IT WAS TRUE.

                  But feministas are not known for thise jolly sense of humour, brother – and thus you will be called a rapist, a paedo, a misogynist and a stooge of the patriarchy who should be castrated – all for telling a joke!

                  Jeez the New Puritans are here alright – little moralistic finger-wagging nanny nazis in dungerees with shaven heads and pierced poppycock dangling down!

                • Eddie

                  I know – I thought it was hilarious BECAUSE IT WAS TRUE.

                  But feministas are not known for thise jolly sense of humour, brother – and thus you will be called a rapist, a paedo, a misogynist and a stooge of the patriarchy who should be castrated – all for telling a joke!

                  Jeez the New Puritans are here alright – little moralistic finger-wagging nanny nazis in dungerees with shaven heads and pierced poppycock dangling down!

      • Eddie

        So, according to Sarah, all men are rapists and criminals who only get longer prison sentences because they:

        “held their wife hostage at gunpoint and shot at police through the window, or taken their kids to a quarry and stabbed them to death, or shot their girlfriend through the face with a cross bow, or hanged themselves in the garage for their family to find, or massacred a kindergarten class, probably”

        Typical feminist trick, that: choose the exceptionally bad behaviour of a tiny percentage of men, and try to promote that as being typical make behaviour. Particularly vile, considering the tragedies you cite – which are mostly 6 of one and half a dozen of the other, between mother and father, or are due to mental illness (which you suffer from yourself, clearly, so one would think you’d show some empathy).

        And let’s not forget eh that most babies who are killed are killed by women and about half of children are killed by females too – usually their mothers. If I were a psycho like you Sarah, I would say that is typical female behaviour; I would never argue that because unlike you I am not a twisted bitter hissing spitting hater of one gender.
        Impartial evidence shows that courts treat men and women differenty: females are seen as perpetual victims deserving of sympathy (cf the female MP who got off scott free for stealing money whne compared to the male MPs who were sent down), whereas men are seen as deserving of harsher sentences. Research also shows that many women who commit crimes are not arrested, whereas men who commit the same crimes are. And I won’t even mention all the women who live off their men’s criminal activities and never get done for being aware of that.
        I support equal treatment of men and women in law and by the courts. Unsurprisingly, feminists do not agree with thaqt and instead campaign to stop the sending of ANY women to prison (cf the Fawcett feminist campaign).
        Me, I’d lock ANY MP who stole money up – and I do not care if they are depressed, pregnant, ill etc.

      • Bob Widget

        OK. I’m sorry for being a bit rude |Sarah

    • jemspilsbury

      She probably learned the `ga-ga` routine from Vin `the Chin` Gigante. But he was a decent ordinary gangster.

    • http://ajbrenchley.com/ puss-in-plimsolls

      All this about women ‘treated less harshly’: I’ll remind the readers that the billionaire, Martha Stewart, was sent to jail for supposed insider trading (in my view it probably wasn’t, and even if it could be construed as such, it wasn’t worth the penalty of her freedom). No one said: ‘Hey, don’t do it: she’s a woman and what’s more a Democrat!’ I personally am a Republican, and I was entirely on her side in that one.

      • Eddie

        Who gives a monkey’s about some American TV cook?
        This is not the USA and the Speccie is not a US magazine – we do not have Republicans here (way too nutty right wing for all but a tiny minority of Brits)
        The UK legal system is different from yours. Your post then is utterly pointless and off topic.
        I have shown that male MPs who diddled their expenses have lost their jobs and careers, and been sent to prison; I have cited the female MP who got let off for blubbing and pretending to be mental (who won’t even get a record)and Rod has mentioned in his article a female MP who has not even paid the money back!
        My comments are not sexist: I mere;y note the discrepancy. And surely TRUE feminists should support men and women being treated the same in law? Oh no, but of course – most professional feminists don’t support gender equality. But shhh – it’s a secret! Don’t tell anyone now!

        • Bruce, UK

          And do not forget |Citizen Uddin.

  • Sir Graphus

    I thought it was the opposition’s job to make an appropriate level of fuss about things like this. They simply haven’t bothered.

    • C Cole

      Now why might that be?

  • Jack Dawson

    I wouldn’t mind all these politicians bending rules and scheming for their own benefit half so much if they’d indulge in the same kind of legalistic gymnastics on our country’s behalf. But they seem to kowtow to every externally imposed regulation from the EU and others and oblige us to do the same by enforcing the rules ruthlessly. Your Sunday Times piece on the jobsworths was good, Rod.

  • Bluesman

    Agreed. Thieves and liars. Having installed gangsterism as a substitute for government in Northern Ireland, the Nomenklatura seem intent on the same for the rest of us.

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