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The political impact of immigration

14 December 2012

3:07 PM

14 December 2012

3:07 PM

It won’t actually come as a surprise to anyone living in London that the census results from the Office of National Statistics this week showed that ‘white British’ are down to 45 per cent in the capital. There are bits of the capital whose look and feel suggests that the percentage is much higher – well, the figures are from people who filled in the census forms, which isn’t quite the same thing as the actual population. Remember that cover story in The Spectator a couple of months back, based on the premise that London was practically a city-state, radically different from most other parts of the UK? Well, this census bears that contention out: the number of people living in England and Wales who were born abroad now amounts to 13 per cent nationally; in the capital, it’s 37 per cent. And plainly, many of the people here from non-indigenous backgrounds will now be second and third generation.

Immigration accounts for more than half of the population rise in the last decade but that doesn’t quite do justice to the scale of the influx: nearly four million people (3.8 million) arrived in England and Wales from abroad in that time, about half the total immigrant population. Their countries of origin were chiefly India, Poland and Pakistan, which rather gives the lie to Nick Clegg’s contention before the election that East Europeans accounted for most immigration. And as for Ed Miliband’s apology for Labour getting things ever so slightly wrong on immigration when it was in office – he hardly mentioned non-EU migration at all.

And can we bear in mind that this nearly four million are the people we know about? The estimated number of illegal immigrants is between half a million and a million. The numbers are normally hidden from view by virtue of the fact that ministers never talk about gross immigration, just net immigration (the number of arrivals, less the number of Brits leaving). But that net figure doesn’t quite reflect the fact that the arrivals may well place a greater strain on what we politely call social cohesion than those who leave, though this varies from community to community.

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If you think large scale migration is over under a coalition government, you’d be wrong. In July, Croatia joins the EU, and we can expect quite a number of young people from this new state of 4.3 million to make use of their right to work and travel anywhere in the EU, including the UK. And let’s pause for a moment to reflect that it’s still the policy of this government – indeed of all the major parties – to admit Turkey to the EU – after which all 75 million odd Turks will have the same right to come here as the Poles, about half a million of whom live here.

Immigration on this scale changes everything: public services, planning, religion, politics. It puts into context Nick Boles’s insistence that planning regulations be relaxed in order to create more homes; indeed it puts the entire housing crisis into perspective. The notion that immigrants pay more in taxation than they receive in benefits may be true of some groups, but it’s a canard in general, as MigrationWatch has made clear. The demands that so many arrivals place on transport, schools, the health system and social housing are enormous; that’s rarely factored into audits of costs and benefits from immigration.

It doesn’t come as a surprise either that the number of Muslims in Britain has increased by a million; neither, given the change in demography, is surprising that the number of Christians has decreased, though it’s astonishing that it’s fallen off by four million. By comparison, atheism is doing really well: the godless constitute about a quarter of the population. That, however, has a good deal more to do with the nature of schools and public discourse than with immigration: by and large, non EU migrants are significantly more religious than native Brits.

Indeed, when you think about the things that constitute a national cultural identity – not just ethnicity, but a shared religious sensibility and a shared history – it’s hard to see contemporary Britain as having anything like the same continuity with the past as it did even a generation ago. There has always been immigration, religious groups have risen and fallen, but this change in population in a decade marks radical discontinuity. There will be many people who welcome that change, but it should at least be debated – and the extraordinary thing about immigration and British politics is the extent to which it has not been debated. Indeed, as we all know, non-racist organisations such as MigrationWatch which attempted to put the issue on the public agenda were politely shuffled off to the margins until quite recently; it’s remarkable, for instance, in BBC discussions about housing, how rarely the issue of immigration features in accounting for increased demand.

The politics of immigration are complicated; many immigrants will support Labour, though as the rise of Respect shows, it’s rash for the parties to take the allegiance of any community for granted. But for the majority population, white Brits, the consequences of large scale immigration are not particularly happy for the Tories. A poll of Ukip voters during the recent by-elections suggested that immigration is a more significant issue for them than Europe. And Ukip came second in Rotherham. Go figure.


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  • http://cambriandissenters.blogspot.com/ Daniel Tekel Thomas

    It should be just as easy to reinstate border and immigration controls back to how they were in 1997 when ‘New’ Labour abolished them in order to transform Great Britain into a multi cultural country for political and electoral purposes.
    The fact that Britain is reduced to a group of mono-cultural, crime ridden ghettos is neither here nor there. Our political class are too remote and immune to the consequences of their policies to understand the damage they have done.
    For all their spin the Tory leadership have also bought into this multi-cultural nonsense as evidenced by their refusal to reinstate proper border controls and their non stop handing out of citizenship or indefinate leave to remain to anyone even though recipients are culturally incompatable and will be burden on the taxpayer.
    Further evidence is their refusal to deport anyone including terrorists, murderers rapists and serial criminals who have caused harm and misery to the British people.
    Reducing immigration from “hundreds of thousands to the tens of thousands” is a meaningless soundbite when the leadership know full well that the demographic tipping point will be reached long before that target is achieved.

  • Roy

    In their home country they are sworn enemies and wish all our throats cut. Yet still we treat them as if they had a god given right to our own back yard. Along with a taxpayer paid welfare apparatus to keep them in comfort alongside a contingent of wives and relations. A commitment by the radical left and the senseless infirmity of the right to bring the ailing classes of the world to our own hearth and share what should be the resources (all be it depleted by now) for the British people in their need.

  • Kumar

    No nation ever emigrated in bigger numbers proportionately than the White Brits. So their complaining about a tad of coloured immigration is richly ironic. Did Romans complain about foreigners in Rome?

    We are here because you were there.
    to the UK

  • Daniel Maris

    We need to consider policies that will stop the “momentous influx” (copyright Fraser Nelson) and limit the damage done by the influx so far.

    1. Three year moratorium on immigration and naturalisation.

    2. Withdrawal from EU.

    3. Withdrawal from refugee treaties.

    4. Introduce new immigration policy based around Migration Watch policies e.g. time limited work placements, no automatic conveyor to naturalisation. Any people finding their way into the UK illegally to be taken to somewhere like St Helena for processing (similar to the Australian policy).

    5. Serious policy of limiting benefits on children, with the aim of ensuring no state-aided family exceeds two children. With careful planning this policy can be put into action without harm to children. For instance those families that ignored this policy, could be put into supervised accommodation where they won’t have control over their budgets and where both parents would be required to undertake work (there would be full childcare). That will act as a powerful disincentive.

    6. Encouragement of people with dual nationality who are a burden on the state to return to the other country where they enjoy nationality and relinquish their rights. This may involve them receiving a guaranteed pension from the state once they leave the country but by removing the infrastructure burden from this country I believe this policy would be economically viable. Of course, it would involve making benefit-dependent life not v. attractive. For example there is no reason why if a family wants state aid, the state in return shouldn’t require the wife in the family to undertake work. That sort of arrangement would be deeply unattractive to people from certain cultures that have values in conflict with our country’s. In those circumstances they might well be minded to emigrate.

  • John

    This is our country – when I say “our” I mean “of the indigenous British” – no one has ever asked us whether we wanted to have it colonised by millions of Blacks, Pakistanis and other Muslims, Hindus, Chinese and so on and had they done so there is no doubt that we would have said no. We have never given our consent to this and I would have thought that this very fact gives us a perfect right to say to all these people and their descendants, “You are all here without our permission or consent and you will therefore be returned whence you came”. Why should we be obliged to have millions here who we do not want here and did not invite here? The Chinese, Japanese and Koreans – for instance – would not contemplate it for one moment, so why should we? We didn’t ask them here, we don’t need them here and we don’t want them here. Let us re-establish this as the home country, exclusively, of the native British. We gave independence to our colonies and left them, now it’s time for us claim our independence and for the colonists to leave our shores.

  • jasonjapanwhite

    The really important datum is population turn over. Namely, immigration plus emigration. Pretty soon there’ll be more of them than there are of you. Oh, wait: In some areas that’s already happened.

  • Jez

    Who gives a f*ck now?
    .
    Not me. Too late.
    .
    These people have utterly sunk a nation- a leading global nation through a premeditated and underhanded policy of replacing one culture with a myriad of others.
    .
    I think that the small interest groups that have championed this will one day be confronted with a massive version of what has happened over in Egypt. A small band of elitist, cocksure / utterly deviod of common sense people that backed a revolution there. All this against blatant, on the ground factors and the legacy of ‘in your face’ historical events and these people are now faced with a Morsi (and his modern day raping equivilent of the Brownshirts, the MB), a political situation that resembles the hallmarks of a rerun of the Reichstag fire aftermath in 1933.
    .
    When all these dots over here in the UKPLC/EU.COM finally join together these crappy little over-educated career meddlars (Robbie Williams sums such people up perfectly in his new hit; “She was educated- But could not count to ten”) then these people will be as sought after as the Western backed liberal Arab tweeters in Egypt, that have incidently gone to ground since triggering the mayem over there.
    .
    And that’s the probably only positive thing out of having you country taken over by Millions upon Millions of other people from all over the planet.
    .
    But that’s just my opinion. And i’m sure i can still have one just.

  • Madame Merle

    The results of the census have been a blessing, finally the elephant in the room is being acknowledged.

    Perhaps it has to get worse before it gets better. The Croats, Romanians and Bulgarians will be here en masse. Even if there is no work they know that they will be entitled to benefits which are more lucrative than a working wage in their own countries. Of course, non-EU immigration will continue unabated.

    Hopefully this will be the final straw and the government, whoever they are, will be forced to close the door.

    • vieuxceps2

      How can it ever get better?The strangers are here now, breeding their way to dominance.What is worst of all is that the English people(not the people of England,they are no longer English) have spinelessly permitted this catastrophe.Many of us foresaw this and warned, but who took heed? Too late now,much too late.

  • dalai guevara

    It is time for city planners, urban designers, architects and infrastructure strategists to realise that London is experiencing what Mexico City, Sao Paulo, Mumbai, Jakarta and Tokyo experienced decades ago. The city is hitting its critical maximum, a centralised organisational structure no longer brings the best results for its population.

    The way to ease the pressure of migration into the city is to decentralise the functions it presently holds. Once courts, banking, media, culture, FTSE listed HQs et al are spread over the country, we will instantly see a drop of pressure on housing in London, a reduction of the regional discrepency in pay, and reduced pressure on a bursting transport system, aviation and underground.

    Boris would get on his bike and sell that outlook? I don’t think so, and that is part of the conundrum we are currently in.

    • Daniel Maris

      I think you are probably right dalai. We should remember that for about 30 years after the war there was a national policy of relocating businesses and other functions out of London, so we have been there before.

      A mix of incentives and prohibitions would achieve the desired effect.

      Your positive suggestion could form part of a realistic damage limitation programme.

  • Daniel Maris

    Remember how, about 15 years ago, you hardly ever read about Islam in our newspapers? Now in every issue, day in day out, the Sharia movement get a mention in one way or another.

    My prediction is that from here on in we are going to hear a lot more about immigration. The reason is that its hugely negative effects now cannot be ignored, or talked away or denied. We are seeing the emerging crisis show in housing and primary education but this is going to build and build as the “momentous influx” (copyright F. Nelson 2012) continues. Our infrastructure is going to be put under extreme stress.

    • Madame Merle

      Absolutely, Daniel.

      The immigration problem is going to get so much attention from now on that it is just a matter of time before the tide begins to turn.

      The results of the census show the facts, we can no longer be accused of being alarmist and racist.

    • Tim Reed

      Absolutely agree, Mr. Maris. The era of so-called ‘Tory sleaze’ during the Major years seems quite an innocent age by comparison with today. The legacy of New Labour’s covert but deliberate plan of mass immigration is with us permanently.

      …and now we have Miliband lecturing us that ‘not enough has been done to integrate migrants’. So – let me get this straight – The Labour party dump millions of immigrants upon us without our blessing, call us racists if we raise a single concern, then blame us for not doing enough to accommodate them. It’s all OUR fault that mass, rapid, unsolicited immigration has become such a problem. According to Ed, it’s not really the immigration that’s the problem, apparently it’s the reluctant hosts who are at fault!!

      …and this is his way of pitching for our vote!!!! The hypocrisy is staggering, but I’m not entirely convinced that he will not be our next Prime Minister, and they will just continue where they left off. It’s in their DNA. Shocking – and amazing that the revelations of Mr. Neather are not more widely known, to the point where they have become electorally toxic for Labour. You’re unlikely to ever see a Panorama/Newsnight exposé of Labour’s mass deception regarding immigration. The BBC is fully onboard with the agenda, and is content to maintain the silence.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Simon-Fay/1127268875 Simon Fay


    The political impact of immigration”?

    Just short of sweet FA other than that the establishment is ever more unequivocally on-side on the project,and (tacit at the very least) support for this huge demographic Ponzi scheme is derigeur for anyone in public life. Its tame mouthpieces occasionally throw puzzled poses like this article, along the way musing on the possibility that the very lack of an elite-defenestrating crisis shows just how successful mass immigration has been, showing the resilient, pragmatic meritocratic British character at its best as Jeff Randall interviews Fraser Nelson in the Ghurkin etc etc.

  • http://twitter.com/rlpkamath Rahul Kamath

    Most telling part of this article is that Melanie has exactly zero data to prove why any of the things she is talking about are bad for Britain. The assumption seems to be that change is a bad thing.

    • TomTom

      Are you still selling your Indian private school education in New York with IBM ?

      • Wilhelm

        TomTom

        Ask Mr Kamath if he would like his daughter marrying an African ?

        ( The Indians are the most racially conscious people on the planet, they’ve got the caste system, Brahmins at the top, the untouchables and the great unwashed at the bottom. )

        • Daniel Maris

          Whilst I don’t agree with your racism advocacy Wilhelm, you are of course quite correct about Indian racism and Rahul Kamath refuses to comment upon that. He will dodge the issue again here.

          • dalai guevara

            Well, Daniel, maybe it it time to ask WILHELM whether he would like HIS daughter marrying… an African?

            • http://twitter.com/rlpkamath Rahul Kamath

              No need, I think Wilhelm would self-immolate if that happened.

            • Wilhelm

              Dalai

              Bit slow on the uptake, aren’t you ? By just reading my comments you would know the answer to that question.

              • dalai guevara

                Slow on the uptake of what your point is, yes.

                So whilst you are a racialist, you want others of different skin colour also to be racialist.

                Are you an arms dealer?

            • Daniel Maris

              Ha-ha. If he has a daughter I expect she long ago emigrated to somewhere far away to escape his reductionist racism.

        • http://twitter.com/rlpkamath Rahul Kamath

          Actually Wilhelm/ Eddie/ whatever your name is – that question I can and will answer.

          First, I don’t have a daughter so my answer is theoretical at best. With that caveat, would I like my daughter marrying an African? Let’s assume that this man or woman is culturally very different from myself/ my daughter. The short answer is that I probably wouldn’t like the cultural differences v. much (I would NOT care about the skin colour differences).

          That said, I’d hope I’d try to understand what draws my theoretical daughter to this person and focus more on how this person treats her and how she feels about this person vs. where he/she comes from.

          • Daniel Maris

            Fair play to you, Rahul, I apologise to you for saying you wouldn’t answer it (you appeared to avoid it previously).

            But I think the statistical evidence shows there is virtually no out marriage to African, Caribbean or Chinese communities by Indians/Pakistanis in Britain.

            And this is an important point because we have seen Asian-Caribbean riots in Birmingham and in the London riots there were plenty of examples of one ethnic community up against another. And of course there is ongoing tension between Turks and Kurds in London.

            • http://twitter.com/rlpkamath Rahul Kamath

              I was pretty clear that I wouldn’t answer generalised questions on what any community thinks, which were the questions asked of me earlier. I will answer questions on my own views.

              You are probably right on out-marriage. I’d just say give it time, it must happen. Fifty years ago there was probably no out-marriage between white and non-white communities right?

      • http://twitter.com/rlpkamath Rahul Kamath

        Why don’t u send me some personal verifiable info about you (name, age, occupation, address, NI number) and then I’ll share personal info about me w/ you. Dumbass.

        • Wilhelm

          TomTom

          Mr Kamath squeals ” Dumbass ”

          I think you’ve rattled him, in a previous comment Mr Rahul said ”If you want me to dialogue with you I’d suggest you start using some more respectful language.”

          There’s nothing like a bit of hypocrisy.

          Check out his Twiiter page, it’s very revealing, he’s a opera lover !!

          • http://twitter.com/rlpkamath Rahul Kamath

            Were’nt you not going to talk to me anymore? I suggest you stick to that commitment. We’ll all be the better for it.

    • 2trueblue

      If you drown out parts of your culture which is also part of your infrastructure ( that is what Bliar and Libore allowed and encouraged) then yes it is a bad thing. We all have pinions on which our day to day life relies and by systematically forcing it out of our education, diluting the numbers, and putting nothing cohesive in its place, it is not rocket science that it damaging to the country.

      • http://twitter.com/rlpkamath Rahul Kamath

        You think New Labour was so powerful that they were able to drown out parts of your culture during their 13 years in power, a culture which has at least 1000 years under its belt? What does that say about the strength of your culture, its ability to endure, its advocacy by its members? Sheesh.

        • Ron Todd

          No culture has a 1000 years under its belt. Culture changes over time. From what I know of the culture of my medieval Scottish ancestors I would guess that I would not want too many of them to move in next door. What the socialists have attempted to do and with some sucess is to change the culture faster than it would naturally. 13 years running the country and a lot longer than that influencing education and large parts of the media gives them a pretty hefty influence. And Gove is only making slow progress in freeing the educational establishment from their power, and the Tories don’t even seem to be trying to counter the influence of the BBC. My culture has not changed just my freedom to express it. If I talked about immigration human rights gay marriage crime and punishment and so on in the lobby of the BBC the way I can at work or in private somebody would likely have the police on me, even though I would not be saying anything I could not back up with rational argument.

          It is like the Muslim take over of new territory, the first generation are forced by threats of death to at least pretend to be faithful to the new religion, the children, the next generation believe the pretence and become true believers. At least the BBC/Guardian axis is not yet advocating death for apostates from their sect of ‘progressive’ politics.

  • ipleb

    If you want change then you have to take over the media and the education system. It is the life blood of the psychology of society. Just as religion is being de-constructed and re-constructed to replace men so it is the driving force of social change! Just ask Thatcher and Murdoch.

  • Wilhelm

    The first thing Barak Obama did when he won the election, he invited his chums into the White House, anti white, race baiters Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson.

    The Labour party is grooming Chuka Umunna to be the next leader and then Prime Minister, ” If you vote for him, you will get rid of racism ,” will be Labours mantra, but we will be voting for our own dispossession and displacement as the London census results prove.

    Jared Taylor looks into the future, and it’s pretty bleak for whites.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tia-vOlBFAs

    • Ron Todd

      The mantra will be ‘if you don’t vote for him you are racist’

    • TomTom

      You forgotten Paul Boateng….. ?

      • Wilhelm

        I think Boateng became the ambassador to South Africa, then he was booted into the House of Lords, what a joke.

        His son got 3 years for raping a woman, ( so what else is new ? )

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2069594/Boateng-thought-untouchable–son-privilege-away-anything.html

      • Jimmy R

        Thankfully, yes I had, until you mentioned him. Now I be waking up screaming every night for at least the next six months. Still, it could have been worse, you might have mentioned Diane Abbott and that would have kept me screaming all day as well.

  • angoisse

    Hello (from Paris, France),

    I realize that these questions well be work-related and benefits are the same in all countries. Who does what how the benefit or detriment of that? Finally, is it not rather a simp e question of goodwill beyond political divisions?

    http://www.angoisse.pro

  • Duke of Earl

    I resent you’re statement that on a whole legal immigrants are a net drain on society. Especially as non-EU migrants are not eligible for any benefits at all.
    Migrants as a whole are a lot younger than the average population and are less likely to use public services. Also, the cost of their education and early age care was borne by their parent country.

    I myself moved here from a non-EU country almost 10 years ago. I went through private school, paid 11k a year for university back in 2005 when UK nationals were paying 1.5k. I’ve never used a public service that I wasn’t charged for in my time here, except for a few GP visits and I now have private healthcare. I’m currently paying the higher tax rate. Most of my friends who are from abroad are exactly the same.

    I don’t understand this view that migrants are scroungers. I love this country and its now basically my home and I play by the rules and pay a LOT for the privilege.

    • TomTom

      The problem is that like so much in this country what was a well-earned privilege has become debased through comprehensive dilution of anything that had to be earned and respected.

      • Duke of Earl

        I’m not sure how that’s the fault of the migrant though. Unlike what Wilhem would have you think.

        • HooksLaw

          Wilhelm doesn’t need to tell these oiks what to think – for the most part they are ahead of him.

        • TomTom

          Didn’t say it as. The country is not what many legal immigrants thought they were joining…it simply slid away

          • Duke of Earl

            Well I love it here. Absolutely love it. Except for its f’cking high taxes.

            • The_Missing_Think

              What if another 350 millin people decide to ‘love it here’ as well?

              Does your love include the concept of defense?

              No = Faux love surely? ‘Indifference love’… right?

              Yes = Then Why do you deny racially white people this concept… huh?

              Huh?

              • Duke of Earl

                I’m not sure what your point is. Are you asking me if I support the UK military?
                If so, then yes! And I’m not sure what race has to do with that.

                • The_Missing_Think

                  “If so, then yes!”

                  So you agree, the defence of something you love is a good thing… so political policies of defence should also be valid… ?

                  Therefore, I ask again, why are you denying the British the right to defend their ancient homelands of ten thousand years?
                  _____

                  “There’s been a lot of arguing over the last ten years, but it’s now more or less agreed that about 80 percent of Britons’ genes come from hunter-gatherers who came in immediately after the Ice Age,” Miles said.

                  These nomadic tribespeople followed herds of reindeer and wild horses northward to Britain as the climate warmed.

                  “Numbers were probably quite small—just a few thousand people,” Miles added.
                  _____

                  http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/07/0719_050719_britishgene.html

    • Wilhelm

      Duke of Earl

      Well, you would say that, wouldn’t you ? after all, you’re an immigrant.

      Now, don’t be shy, what part of the Third World are you from ?

      • Duke of Earl

        I suppose I would wouldn’t I? And no I’m not going to post more personal stuff on the web.
        Where I might agree with you is in the share quantity of migration in such a short space of time is terrible for the country. I’d also agree that multiculturalism is a nonsense, and people should adapt to their host countries or stay at home.
        Where I strongly disagree though is on your explicit stance on eugenics and frankly racist language. I don’t make this accusation lightly by the way, it’s well noted on this board.

        • Wilhelm

          Duke of Earl

          In not telling us what country you come, have you got something to hide ?

          ” frankly ‘waaycist’ language”

          Using the ‘ waaycist ‘ line is mind numbingly tiresome, it’s just old now.

          ” it’s well noted on this board.”

          Thanks for noting !!

          • Duke of Earl

            Nothing to hide. I’m just not pasting personal info here. If you’d like to be my guest.
            And it’s pretty obvious that you’re a racist. But as you seem like an intelligent chap, I’m happy to debate. Not one to shout people down just because they disagree. As long as they are civil.

            • Wilhelm

              Duke of Earl

              ” I’m not posting personal info here.”

              Hmm, pleading the fifth Amendment on the grounds it might incriminate you ? curiouser and curiouser.

              ” I’m happy to debate. not one to shout people down as long as they are civil.”

              Yet you start off this ” civil ” debate by insulting me by using the old standard line ” YOU’RE A WAAYCIST ! ”

              How can I be ‘ waaycist ‘ if the Left ( Franz Boaz school of thought ) has told me for decades that race doesn’t exist, it’s a social construct ?

    • vieuxceps2

      “This is my home now”-Anyone who calls himself Duke of Earl cannot possibly be English. How is it your home?

  • Vulture

    irThe British people have joined the American Indians, the Aborigines and the Maoris in allowing themselves to be ethnically cleansed and displaced from their native land.

    The big difference is that they have not lifted a finger in protest or opposition to this slow ( no longer so slow) suicide. They might as well have slammed home the bolts securing the door of the cattle trucks themselves.

    • ipleb

      Very true. Karl Gustav Jung said man cannot live outside his myth. The British people are a Marxist people that is why we got to live in a welfare state and now we are drunk like all the other peoples who were replaced.

      • Wilhelm

        I’ve come to the conclusion that Britain is actually a communist country, the Russian people threw off the tyranny of the Soviet Union, yet we in the West are building a carbon copy of it, the EUSSR.

        • ipleb

          No you are wrong! What the British realised was that you had to take Karl Marx seriously and thus integrated his ideology into a fair system of governance. That is why we had no revolution. I say again the British people are a Marxist people.

          • ipleb

            Immigration was simply used as scab labour. And now we have a massive underclass of displaced British people! Why are the people who know and understand our history not allowed to speak? After all it is they who want a peaceful and fair society.

            • 2trueblue

              Because Bliars government prevented the truth being spoken.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Simon-Fay/1127268875 Simon Fay

            Which portion of the British people do you mean? Its successful entrepeneurs and PPE graduates? Certainly not the pop’n at large,surely?

            • ipleb

              The NHS?

            • the viceroy’s gin

              Everybody in Tory HQ?

          • TomTom

            You cannot be “a Marxist peoplE” it makes no sense…..go away and look at more pictures in your GCSE Politics book

            • ipleb

              Highgatefool!

              • TomTom

                Do you live in Highgate ? Or do you want to die there alongside Miliband Sr. ?

                • ipleb

                  You reside in the paradigm of delusion.

        • TomTom

          Britain became a Marxist country when it saved Josef Stalin and even supplied him with Rolls-Royce jet engines in 1946

        • ipleb

          EUSA i think is the better description. After all, it was you who mentioned the American Indians…..

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Simon-Fay/1127268875 Simon Fay

      If those protesting as noisily/actively as you could be interpreted as suggesting had been those most directly affected by it (ie nasty oiks like me) might not you, likely a refined reader of a distinguished journal such as this, have nodded in grim satisfaction as we were put back in our place by water-cannon, blacklisting, internment and all the other paraphernalia there to keep us scum in line? At least one political party tried to do something about peacefully and drew establishment ire not seen since the days of the IRA, quite possibly being terminally nobbled in the process.

    • The_Missing_Think

      … cough… “No Platform”… because?

      Are the BNP still racial aggressors in your mind?

      Or do you agree that they were racial defenders, and that the one word ‘racist’ cannot mean both opposites?

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    Review by John Derbyshire ” What’s happening, as the book makes indisputably clear is, first, black mob violence against non black persons and property, and
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    media.”

    http://www.amazon.com/White-Girl-Bleed-Lot-Edition/dp/1479299022/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1355501258&sr=8-1&keywords=white+girl+bleed+a+lot

  • Ron Todd

    If in 1997 Blair had said elect me and I will bring in 4 million economic immigrants plus an undisclosed number of illegals and asylum seekers, and by the way I will get Gordon to ruin your pension and flog our gold off cheap and use the money to invest in iffy euros how many would still have voted for him?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Simon-Fay/1127268875 Simon Fay

      Loads probably – having seen the damage that pair of cvnts wrought there’s still a big chunk ofthe pop’n supporting them,as the recent by-elections showed, people directly hit by the changes made and with more to come (ie they have no excuse for it)

      • Colonel Mustard

        Astounding isn’t it. The self-destructive urge. Another great swig from the cup of poison even though the body is wracked and dying from the previous dosage. The most ghastly, corrupt and evil government in British history – New F***ing Labour 1997-2010 – and the same duplicitous, dissembling, dangerous gang of Brownite henchpersons sitting on the opposition front benches conniving to take over again.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          …are you sure you haven’t got the benches mixed up?

          They both seem to fit your description.

        • HellforLeather

          I agree with every word of that.

          But the new lot have been known to exude pretensions of being heir-to-B.

          This lot? Just as poisonous..

  • ipleb

    Blame feminism. Cheap nannies, cheap supermarket staff, cheap old age peoples carers and turn the traditional British working class into the underclass. We have been colonised……

    • Sarah

      Blame men for feminism. You had your chance to behave decently but you used women as free slaves instead. As you sow, so shall you reap.

      • TomTom

        Feminism is dead – women now want to be

      • Colonel Mustard

        It’s a funny thing Sarah. I don’t trust all men. But some I would trust with my life.

        I would never trust any woman. Ever.

      • http://www.coffeehousewall.co.uk/ Coffeehousewall

        Feminism is just another aspect of the cult of societal death which rules us.

      • ipleb

        Funny how some women want quotas to be the big boss in multi-national companies and use other women at the bottom as minimum wage slaves. As you sow, so shall you reap…

  • toco10

    Labour as a matter of policy when in government brought in circa 4 million immigrants largely from the sub continent because the majority of these incomers being reliant on welfare payments invariably vote Labour.Red(‘I never needed to find a proper job given my Marxist father’s influence and money’) Ed is of course the son of someone born outside these shores so perhaps anything he utters on the subject should be taken with a pinch of salt.What really rankles is having paid into the welfare system for decades like the majority of hard working strivers is to see millions of immigrants feasting on our contributions.The salary required by a new immigrant with a wife and two children to compensate for the benefits received is £40,000 per annum in terms of cash,housing allowances,health cover,education etc.My question is how many of the immigrants who entered the UK during the disgraced Labour Government’s term in office either have a job or earn £40,000 per annum?I suspect less than 1 per cent.
    One cannot blame these immigrants for coming to the UK to enjoy a vastly superior standard of living at the expense of all of us who have contributed by paying taxes and National Insurance for the whole of our adult lives but one can certainly point the finger at Labour’s cynical and unpatriotic policy.

  • echo34

    Someone on question time mentioned neather last night, any comment Melanie or should we wait for Fraser and his historic reply…

    • Wilhelm

      It was Peter Hitchins.

      • 2trueblue

        Denied of course by the idiot Self.

  • Hugh

    Does Melanie McDonagh really look like Angela Rippon circa 1975?

    • Ron Todd

      I am not sure if that is ment as a compliment or an insult.

      • Hugh

        Just an observation.

  • echo34

    If borders are uniformed within the EU and people all have freedom of movement, why is it that the benefits and pensions systems of all the current EU nations have not been brought into line with each other?

    We are impacted by rules on ECHR, wrong shaped bananas, farm subsidies, CAP etc. but no one in the EU bats an eyelid that we hand over benefits like its going out of fashion.

    Where’s the EU control there? and why are MPs not arguing for this in other nation states?

  • Haldane1

    A good article, but a pity there’s not a word as to why and how this influx came about……

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Simon-Fay/1127268875 Simon Fay

    “the extraordinary thing about immigration and British politics is the extent to which it has not been debated.”

    A bit like the way the Bolsheviks never satisfactorily consulted the Tsar and his family about how they might like to live out the rest of their lives. Extraordinary.

    I expect Andrew Neil would chip in that it’s just the sort of thing his late night show does so well.

  • LB

    The will be demanding their benefits.

    Look at the 140 quid a week state pension.

    1. 140 quid is the size of the MIG. Those on less that 140 a week will see no benefit.
    2. 140 quid a week will be paid by those who contributed to the state second pension. Tens of thousands of pounds being ripped off there.
    3. Arrive a week before retirement age, and you’ll be on 140 quid a week for life.

    It’s the last bit why Labour and the Lib dems are after this. Get more money to their suporters.

    However give the state pension debt of 4,700 bn, its going to go tits up.

    If you pay out as a government 11K per year per person, getting in migrants earning less that 40K per migrant (the tax on 40K is 11K), its just making the situation worse.

  • EJ

    There’s a difference between what the political impact WILL be – and what the political impact SHOULD be.

    What it should be: the “leading lights” of New Labour tried for treason and the hateful anti-British Labour Party never allowed to gain power ever again. The Conservatives punished at the polls for their total failure to get to grips with one of the most important – if not THE most important – threats this country has ever faced. The voting in to power of a new, principled, patriotic, soft-Right party that will put the interests of the indigenous English first and offer them the protection that would be automatically expected in any other country (UKIP?).

    And now I will stop day-dreaming. Within twenty or thirty years white Britons will be a minority in their own land. Every aspect of their lives is being diminished, as are their hopes for their children and grand-children. Whether it be over-crowding, crime, the collapse of public services, cultural displacement, civil strife, Islamification, social and economic competition – mass immigration on this scale has destroyed the country we grew up in and turned it into a third-rate, third world hell-hole. This is going to get very nasty indeed.

    • ArchiePonsonby

      Please remind me again who voted for the political parties who allowed this to happen and why is everyone surprised? I worked on a building site in Aylesbury, of all places, in 1962 where 70 per cent of the workforce was West Indian. The proverbial tip of the iceberg, and that was 50 years ago, ladies and gentlemen. 50 years ago! How many governments have we had since then?

      • The_Missing_Think

        They can’t own up and admit they were wrong with a physical vote, that’s why 19/20 voted LibLabCon in May 2010.

        It’s a… wrong?, me? never? fudge it, full blown nervy thing.

    • Wilhelm

      If you want to know the future for whites in this country, look to Zimbabwe and South Africa.

      A Warning from South Africa

      http://www.manews.org/0105sawarning.html

      • TomTom

        They have power cuts on a regular basis and massive police corruption

  • Jebediah

    Massive social change by stealth. Nobody voted for it. Nobody would have voted for it if they’d been given a choice. They’ve changed parts of Britain forever. With this colonisation and the massive debt, it feels like we fought a global war, and lost. Thanks Labour.

    • the viceroy’s gin

      Be fair.

      We must give due credit to the Cameroons, for supporting, enabling and carrying forth with that agenda.

      • telemachus

        We must thank successive governments for farsightedness
        *
        Hear wise words from the Evening Standard:-

        “Ed Miliband’s speech on immigration today … emphasises that he is proud of “multi-ethnic, diverse Britain” and says “we are stronger for it. It gives us access to new ideas, new perspectives, new energies.

        ”And of course he is right. London in particular has benefited from the influx of people from abroad who come here to work and to contribute to society. Indeed, we need to attract more of some groups: investors and entrepreneurs, particularly from China, highly skilled high-income workers and the brightest students.

        This paper is in favour of encouraging the brightest and best people to come here; as a global capital we need to recruit the very best and most entrepreneurial talent. We have successfully campaigned for the visa regime for Chinese arrivals to be easier. London has, in fact, made a remarkable success of integrating the huge numbers who have come here, and the buoyant London economy owes much to the creativity and work ethic of immigrants.

        • Jebediah

          I wonder when you’d turn up. Tacked on to the first comment as usual. You odious lick spittle.

        • http://georgeigler.com/ George Igler

          “Every country must have firm control over immigration and Britain is no exception.”

          New Labour manifesto, 1997.

          • telemachus

            I cannot believe anyone is so naive as to believe the manifesto promises are achievable

            • http://georgeigler.com/ George Igler

              “I cannot believe anyone is so naive as to believe the manifesto promises are achievable”

              Quite the contrary I think this the most extraordinary thing about the immigration debate, the extent to which the political and media establishments have successfully conspired to give the entirely wrong impression that immigration was something that just nothing could be done about, and was thus nobody’s fault.

              As if it all just happened, to an island. As if 4-5 million just swarmed across one rainy afternoon in Dover, while the Customs and Excise people were all out the back having a cup of tea.

              Ask anyone pre-1990 what the top three jobs of the state were, most nearly everyone would have said “protect the borders” as being one of them.

              We have a social contract, we agree to be governed in exchange for those who govern us fulfilling certain obligations; yet now one of the foundational responsibilities of the state has been completely abrogated by politicians who, still claiming the same salaries and privileges, shrug resignedly as if to say, “nowt to do with us, mate.”

              This is bullshit. More people come to the UK every 18 months, chiefly to England, than have come to the British Isles combined from the Mesolithic Period right up until 1960.

              The only way this “just happens” to an island nation, is deliberate policy. Anyone who is moronic enough to think otherwise is smoking some pretty funky weed.

        • TomTom

          Evening Standard Russian-owned given away free on street corners across London

          • telemachus

            But nonetheless is a serious journal

        • Marinus

          Miliband’s words are plain old empty rhetoric, attempting to put a positive spin upon his very late admission that modern, multi-ethnic Britain is basically yet another monstrous Labour f**k-up.

          Of course, many immigrants do genuinely contribute, assimilate and integrate into British culture. I’d gladly trade more of them for the large proportion that contribute little or nothing, simply taking up space at the taxpayer’s expense without bothering to learn the language. Away with them.

          For immigration policy to be sustainable, I’d suggest we become way more selective and uncompromising in the type of candidates we allow in.

        • jasonjapanwhite

          Britisher pals. You’ve let the wrong people in and kept the right people out.

          • Karla

            What are “the right people”? Why do we e.g. need Japanese labourers with little English and no capital to invest?

      • Aardvark

        Agreed.

      • Aardvark

        Agreed.

    • jasonjapanwhite

      “Thanks, Labour.” Experimenting with irony?
      Make that, FU, Labour.

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