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Autumn statement 2012: as it happened

Follow Coffee House's live coverage of George Osborne's 2012 autumn statement.

5 December 2012

6:05 PM

5 December 2012

6:05 PM

Key points from the Autumn statement

  • Working-age benefits: will only rise by 1 per cent in each of the next three years rather than by inflation
  • Corporation tax cut: Extra percentage point cutdown to 21 per cent in 2014 compared to 28 per cent when George Osborne took office
  • Income tax threshold: will rise by £235 more than planned, to £9,440 in April 2013, saving basic-rate taxpayers an extra £47 next year
  • Fuel duty: the 3p per litre rise planned for January 2013 has been scrapped
  • Tax-free allowance: Reduction in tax-free allowance on pension contributions: from £50,000 a year to £40,000 and £1.5 million lifetime pot to £1.25 million.
  • Whitehall cuts: Extra cuts in Whitehall budgets to pay for £5 billion more in capital spending

1810: That’s it folks, we’re closing up this live blog. We hope you have enjoyed our coverage of 2012’s mini-budget. Come back to Coffee House as reaction continues to trickle through over the next few days.

1805: Steve Baker MP writes that the government needs to be carefulwith its  relationship with the bond markets:

‘Worse still, if the Bank loses control of inflation, bursting the bond market bubble, the game will be up. The Treasury and Bank of England would face appalling choices:  either interest rate rises and a brutal correction or more money creation in a self-defeating attempt to keep rates low.

‘There was some good news today but the real question is this: can the Government keep skating on thin bond market ice until the good times come again? ‘

1758: Lloyd Evans has sketched Osborne’s Commons appearance and was impressed with his performance:

‘From our sub-arctic chancellor this was a rip-roaring performance. Using all the arts perfected by Gordon Brown, he dazzled the house with his Autumn Statement. A chancellor should never be entirely candid. His job is to blame others for failure, to take credit for all successes, (no matter what their true origin), to engender confidence in the future and to attract cautious applause. George Osborne did all this.’

1750: Isabel reports that some Lib Dems are not openly advocating coalition unity today:

The Liberal Democrats are keen to use today to show that Coalition works, but Lord Oakeshott is in a less charitable mood. I’ve just had a chat with him about George Osborne’s explicit rejection of the mansion tax in his statement today as ‘intrusive’. The former Lib Dem Treasury spokesman in the House of Lords says:

‘I’m not withdrawing anything I have said about the Tories and the mansion tax. Intrusive is exactly what taxes on high earning tax dodgers have to be. George Osborne has performed a screeching handbrake turn on Tory donors’ orders.’

1731: Looks like today’s statement is not good news for an independent Scotland, writes Fraser:
The OBR has revised down North Sea Oil forecasts (p123) which, of course, has huge implications for the Union given that Alex Salmond’s case for independence is based on Scotland being in in surplus. Let’s look at 2012/13, the year before the referendum. North Sea revenues have crashed from £9.6 billion to £7.3 billion. And 2016/17 revenues have been downgraded from £5.3 billion to £4.6 billion. A tiny number for HM Treasury, but enough to increase Scotland’s deficit significantly. I’m not sure even Salmond can claim the OBR is cooking the books; he may blame Osborne for his 2011 tax on North Sea revenues — which led to a halving in exploration.
But there is good news for Iain Duncan Smith:
The OBR has decided that his [IDS] flagship Universal Credit scheme won’t be so expensive after all. It’s cost just £1 billion in 2015-16, its first full year, a 40 per cent reduction on earlier estimates. And just £1.8 billion after, down from £2.5 billion. Labour had used the earlier OBR forecasts to claim that Universal Credit was ‘sinking fast’. It now looks reasonably buoyant.

1700: Tracking inflation and earnings. On today’s forecasts earnings growth will continue to be below inflation until 2014 — meaning incomes will continue to fall in real-terms for another year.

1650: Tracking employment.The OBR expects more pain in the jobs market. Employment is forecast to remain flat throughout 2013 and to only start rising slowly again from the beginning of 2014.


With the working-age population rising, that’d mean the recent drop in unemployment will be reversed in the next year – back up to 2.7 million. Even by 2018, there’ll still be around 2.2 million unemployed; pre-recession it was 1.6 million:

16:42: Fraser looks at how the forecasts for the UK economy compare to the rest of the world:

If you take the OBR’s forecast for 2015 and compare it to the IMF’s forecast for the deficits in other major Western economies, the results are not pretty (below). Rather than having abolished the deficit, as Osborne hoped to have done just two years ago, the UK will now have the biggest deficit in the Western world. The impact of this is, of course, softened by the collapsing gilt rates.
16:23: Jonathan reports that the OBR says Labour was wrong: the deficit isn’t rising this year:

Labour have been attacking the government for seeing the deficit rise this year compared to last, but the OBR now says it’ll fall this year (even when you strip out the effects of the Royal Mail transfer, the QE interest transfer and the bank interventions transfer) — albeit very, very slightly. Two main factors have helped Osborne to achieve this:

1. Departmental underspends: which the OBR reckons will save the government £7.5 billion this year.
2. The 4G spectrum sale: which the OBR expects to raise £3.5 billion.

16:10: James has blogged on how today’s statement has improved the Chancellor’s standing:

There’s a sense of satisfaction among Tories, and Osborne allies in particular, this afternoon. First, the Autumn Statement didn’t all leak out in advance. Instead, the Chancellor had some news to make on the day—notably the cancelling of the 3p fuel duty rise and a further increase in the personal allowance. Second, it has drawn political battle-lines that they believe favour them.

15:40: Fraser is still  digging through the mini-budget and finding more surprises:

Zombie banks: sold at a LOSS of £16.5 billion. When Osborne first took office, the OBR thought he’d sell the nationalized banks at a profit. Now, they forecast a £16.5 billion loss for the RBS and Lloyds (p162), more than the (unreported) £14.3 billion they forecast in March. This disposal price will not  have been helped by the government’s bank regulation plans. Quite how much this cost the taxpayer is a sum the OBR won’t be calculating. 

Another £1.5 billion to EU: The complex formula governing the UK’s contribution to the EU means we’re now liable for an extra £1.5bn in the current financial year (OBR, p148)

A £200m lottery win: Thanks to ‘improved information’ the National Lottery will be paying the government an extra £200 million (p153 OBR)

15:30: Tracking the fiscal rules. Osborne admitted today that he’s missing his ‘supplementary target’ to have the debt-to-GDP ratio falling in 2015-16. Even with the policies announced today and the various accounting changes, it won’t start falling until 2016-17, and without them it would take another year:

Osborne is sticking to his fiscal mandate — to eliminate the structural current budget deficit within five years. Indeed, even without the recent changes and today’s policies, he’d still be on track for this (just):

15:20: Sebastian has dug up an article from The Spectator’s archive, which appears to have been choice reading by the Chancellor:

In November 2011, we asked a select group to put forward a single big idea to the Chancellor to kick start the economy. It’s interesting how many of these have now been implemented by the George Osborne: chopping the 50p tax rate, cutting back on welfare spending, reducing fuel duty and liberalising planning laws. It’s a shame he didn’t listen to The Spectator a year ago.

15:12: More from Fraser on the statement’s specifics:

Memo to Carney: we’re debt addicts!  Interestingly, the Budget has a memo showing how much Osborne’s economic model depends on low gilt rates. Table 1.3 says that if the rates go up 1 percentage point, it costs the government £21.7. By 2 points, it’s £43.8 billion. By 3 points (which would take us back to normal rates) it’d be an almighty £66.4 billion. Now, the UK’s low gilt rates are not proof of UK credibility, as the government likes to say. It’s purchased by QE and Sir Mervyn’s Magic Money Machine. Given that QE is understood to have lowered UK gilts by 0.7 to 1.5 points, this implies QE has saved £15 billion to £32 billion each year. But money, of course, cannot be magicked out of thin air. That cash will have come from pension funds (via lower rates of return on investments) and savers in general. QE will have also seen the assets the richest tenth surge by a six-figure sum.

The importance of Osborne’s 4G magic trick. A friend emails to say ‘all the cash is coming from either the sale of 4G or an unspecified tax hike or spending cuts of £4.6bn after the next general election’. Here’s the table:

14:57: The Spectator’s leader this week (which has just gone to press) on the statement is entitled ‘The great creep forward’. Here’s a preview:

14:51: Tracking the recovery. On today’s OBR forecasts, it’ll be late-2014 before GDP is back to its pre-recession peak. Here’s how the current ‘recovery’ compares to previous ones:

14:44: The CBI has reacted positively to Osborne’s statement:

‘£5 billion on near-term infrastructure, like the tube to Battersea, half a billion a year tax relief for small firms, and £1.5 billion extra export support should boost investment and create jobs. The Government now has everything to prove by delivering. Businesses need to see the Chancellor’s words translated into building sites on the ground.

‘It is no surprise that after a difficult year the economic realities dictate that austerity and debt reduction will take longer. The Chancellor has stuck to his guns on deficit reduction – avoiding deeper cuts or more borrowing in order to retain international credibility.’

14:36: Fraser is digging through the small print of the statement:

Osborne the Tax Cutter: today’s mini-Budget means small tax cuts every year until the election. In 2016-17, taxes will rise by £295 billion then £205  billion the year after. Spending is cut by £4.8bn this year, quite some figure. Then by just under £1  billion for the rest of this parliament. (Table 1, p9)

Osborne has no plans to balance budget: the forecast stretching to 2017-18 still shows state spending above receipts. UK may go two decades without ever balancing its books (Chart 1.7, p23)

14:26: Isabel writes in that the Liberal Democrats are already claiming victory over the personal tax allowance increase:

As I predicted, the tussle on tax has begun. Danny Alexander has sent out this email to Lib Dem activists (quite a feat as he’s currently on the TV, too):

‘Today it has been announced that from April more than 20 million people will be paying nearly £600 a year less in income tax than they were in 2010. That’s putting real money back in the pockets of ordinary families in tough times. Thanks to your campaigning, we’re delivering on our number one election pledge. The Autumn Statement set out the tough decisions Liberal Democrats are taking in government to build a stronger economy and fairer society. We have to fix the economic mess left by Labour and the banks, bring the deficit down, maintain our international credibility and create a platform for jobs and growth. We are asking the wealthy to pay more. We are bringing down the cost of our welfare system and cutting Whitehall waste. We’re helping small businesses too, by cutting taxes on new investments they make. And our actions to keep fuel duty down help small businesses and families alike. The road to recovery is longer than we hoped, but we are committed to finishing the job and making Britain’s economy strong again – so that everyone can get on in life. We should be proud of the role Liberal Democrats are playing in sorting out our country’s economic problems.’

Note that in the sentence before the line about ‘bringing down the cost of our welfare system’, Alexander argues that the government is making the wealthy pay more. This was the key deal that the Lib Dems were looking for in order to sign up to the welfare cuts. What will be interesting will be whether the Lib Dems give any clues about the ‘nasty’ bits that they blocked from the statement.

14:24: Tracking borrowing. What do the OBR’s borrowing figures look like when all the accounting changes are stripped out? It’s down very slightly this year — from £121.4 billion to £120.3 billion — but it’s not coming down nearly as quickly as hoped:

14:11: Isabel reports the reaction to the news that Osborne is dropping the planned rise in fuel tax:

George Osborne was keen to pitch his Autumn Statement to the ‘strivers’, and one of the key ways he did this was by scrapping the 3p rise in fuel duty that had been due for January.

This is good news for Conservative MPs in marginal seats full of commuters, and especially good for Robert Halfon, who has campaigned tirelessly on this issue. Halfon is pleased, adding his own striver pitch in his response:

‘This was a Robin Hood statement. George Osborne has put fuel in the tank of the British economy. He has not just delayed Labour’s 3p petrol tax, but scrapped it altogether. This will save an ordinary motorist in my constituency of Harlow around £80 next year. When families are hard-pressed, the Government should do everything to keep the cost of living down. That’s why I am delighted that the Chancellor has listened, and frozen fuel duty again.’

One thing to watch, on the subject of Robert Halfon, will be the tussle in the few hours between the Lib Dems and certain Tories to claim the decision to raise the personal tax allowance as a victory for their own party.

The Lib Dems have the higher claim: they had it in their manifesto, and Danny Alexander reiterated his desire to go even further with the threshold at the party’s autumn conference. But I suspect that won’t stop Tories like Halfon pointing out cutting taxes for the poor is still a Conservative policy.

14:03: Tracking growth. Even after today’s heavy downgrades, the OBR’s growth forecasts are still more optimistic than the independent average:

13:55: Fraser has found a key difference between the work of Osborne and his predecessor:

But also praises the tax rises:

13:51: Labour responds. Ed Balls’ response to Osborne was not as finessed as he might have hoped. The Shadow Chancellor managed to fluff his opening, as shown by this video from Guido:

12:37: Isabel’s files in with her thoughts on what the statement means for Labour:

Ever the strategist, Osborne included a number of announcements that are potential flashpoints for Labour in his statement. One that will be particularly effective in 2015 will be the Welfare Uprating Bill, which Labour will probably suffer from internal rows between voter-conscious (Liam Byrne) and more traditional left-wingers. They will battle over whether to back the move from increasing benefits in line with inflation as opposed to increasing benefits by 1 per cent.

Whether the party supports the spending plans for 2015/16, which will include welfare cuts, is another key question for Ed Miliband as he tries to convince voters that he is ready for government.

As Ed Miliband made such a fuss about the decision to cut the 50p rate at the Prime Minister’s Questions before the Statement, he will also face questions on whether Labour would raise the rate again if it was in government.

13:30: The full Autumn Statement document is available to download here.

13:20: Osborne ends by repeating his ‘global race’ line and his support for strivers:

‘Today we’ve helped working people. But I do not want that to distract from the tough economic situation we face in the world. The public know that there are no miracle cures. Just the hard work of dealing with our deficit and ensuring that Britain wins the global race. That work is underway. The deficit is down. Borrowing is down. Jobs are being created. It is a hard road. But we are making progress. And in everything we do, we’re helping those who want to work hard and get on. ‘

13:18: Tax cuts. The Chancellor adds another 1 percentage point to his corporation tax cut. It’ll now drop to 21 per cent in April 2014 instead of 22 per cent. Yet another fuel duty freeze – even more than Labour had called for. They wanted the 3p per litre rise delayed to April. Osborne is cancelling it altogether:

‘That is real help with the cost of living for families as they fill up their cars across the country. And it will help businesses too. It means that under this Government we’ll have had no increase in petrol taxes for nearly two and a half years. In fact they have been cut.’

Osborne extends his adoption of the flagship Lib Dem policy to raise the personal income tax allowance, it’ll now rise to £9,440:

‘Because of the difficult decisions we’ve taken today, we can go even further. From next April, the personal allowance will rise by a further £235 – that means a total increase next year of £1335 – the highest cash increase ever.’
‘This is a direct boost to the incomes of people working hard to provide for their families. That’s £47 extra in cash next year. In total, that’s a £267 cash increase next year.

13:15: Shale. Osborne embraces shale gas, announcing his Gas Strategy including tax incentives and an Office for Unconventional Gas:

‘We don’t want British families and businesses to be left behind as gas prices tumble on the other side of the Atlantic.’

13:13. Global race. Osborne on the favourite Tory talking-point today:

‘Countries like ours risk being out-smarted, out-worked and out-competed by the new emerging economies.’

13:09: Benefits. Instead of going up with inflation (2.2 per cent) working-age benefits will only rise by 1 per cent. Osborne was exploring a freeze, but Clegg vetoed it, so this is a classic coalition compromise:

‘Those working in the public services, who have seen their basic pay frozen, will now see it rise by an average of 1%. A similar approach of a 1 per cent rise should apply to those in receipt of benefits. That’s fair and it will ensure that we have a welfare system that Britain can afford.’

The Chancellor says the lower-than inflation rise in benefits will save £3.7 billion a year by 2015-16. Higher-rate tax threshold will also rise by less than inflation, probably bringing more into 40 per cent rate.

13:06: Tax rises. No mansion tax. Osborne says it would be too intrusive and costly to revaluate homes. Instead the tax rise for the wealthy comes in reducing the tax-free allowance for pension contributions from £50,000 to £40,000 and the pot total from £1.5 million to £1.25 million. The Chancellor says this’ll raise £1 billion a year by 2016-17. Osborne repeats his oft-mocked line:

‘But we must show we’re all in this together. When you’re looking for savings, I think it’s fair to look at the tax relief we give to the top 2 per cent.’

13:05: 50p tax. Osborne defends cutting the 50p rate:

‘Punitive tax rates do nothing to raise money, and simply discourage enterprise and investment into Britain. Other countries on our doorstep are trying that approach and are paying the price.” Says when the 50p rate was brought in “tax revenues from the rich fell by £7 billion and the number of people declaring incomes over one million pounds fell by a half. A tax raid on the rich that raises almost no money is a con.’

13:03: Tax avoidance. £77 million more to the HMRC for cracking down:

‘Hundreds of millions of pounds of tax loopholes are being closed with immediate effect, and we are investigating abusive use of partnerships.’ ‘In total, we expect the action we announce today will increase the amount of money collected from tax evasion and avoidance by a further £2 billion a year.’

13:00: Goodbye to PFI. Osborne announces his replacement for PFI: PF2. This has been a big cause for  The Spectator’s 2012 Parliamentarian of the Year Jesse Norman.

12:58: Public investment. Osborne making a boast of his rather late conversion to extra investment for growth:

‘So despite the fiscal challenges we face, public investment as a share of GDP will be higher on average in this Parliament than it was under the last Labour government. It is exactly what a government equipping Britain to compete in the modern global economy should be doing.’

Investment will go to roads, High Speed 2 rail, extending the Northern Line to Battersea, 120,000 new homes, flood defences, ultrafast broadband for cities, £600 million for science, £270 million for education colleges and £1 billion for Michael Gove’s free schools and academies.

12:55: Departmental cuts. A spending review will be announced in the first half of 2013 for departmental spending in 2015-16. Expect this to be a big coalition battleground. Osborne announces where the money for new capital projects will come from:

‘If all departments reduced their spending on administration in line with the best performing departments like Education and Communities and Local Government, then another £1 billion could be saved. If all departments made greater provision of digital services, rationalised their property estates as some have done, then a further £1 billion could be saved. So today, we are reducing departmental resource budgets by 1% next year and 2% in the year after.’

Not all departments are in danger. Some of the protected areas from the extra cuts include the NHS, schools aid, military manpower & core defence equipment and local council budgets.

12:53: Austerity. Osborne announces a further year of austerity, extending to 2018. He also announces that he will stick to his 80:20 split between spending cuts and tax rises into 2015-16.

12:51: Cuts. Osborne decides not to implement big extra cuts to meet his debt target:

‘We have not argued we should chase down a cyclical or temporary deterioration in the economy, particularly one which our own independent body says is largely driven by problems abroad.’
This means no net tax rises or spending cuts today:

‘Overall, we are not going faster or slower with those plans; the measures I will announce in this Autumn Statement are fiscally neutral across this Parliament.’

12:50: Debt. ‘The point at which debt starts to fall has been delayed by one year, to 2016-17’. That means Osborne is missing his supplementary target. But the Chancellor says he will meet the main fiscal mandate to eliminate the structural current deficit in five years, helped by the rolling target.

12:49: Borrowing. Osborne says we are borrowing £108 billion this year (less than the £122 billion last year) but stripping out the tricks gives more like £120 billion.

12:48: QE. ‘With or without’ the QE transfer the deficit as a % of GDP will fall this year. ‘It is falling and will continue to fall each year’, says Osborne.

12:46: Unemployment. Osborne boasts ‘Britain now has a greater proportion of its people in work than either the eurozone or the United States ‘ and says OBR has revised down its unemployment estimates — a small nugget of good news against the growth downgrades.

12:41: OBR downgrades. Osborne announces that the Office of Budget Responsibility has downgraded growth forecast for 2012 to -0.1 per cent, from +0.8 per cent in March — in line with other economists. The OBR is also downgrading growth to: 1.2 per cent in 2013, 2 per cent in 2014, 2.3 per cent in 2015, 2.7 per cent in 2016 and 2.8 per cent in 2017.

12:38: Jobs. Osborne says there are 1.2 million new private sector jobs, but that must include new definitions and start in Q1 of 2010. He also boasts of low gilt yields, but part of the reason for that is Bank of England’s rock-bottom interest rates and QE in response to weak recovery.

12:35: George Osborne has stood up to begin delivering his autumn statement. The Chancellor claims economy is healing: but get set for OBR downgrades. A nod for US fiscal cliff, to join Eurozone as a main source of worry for the future?

11:55: Prime Minister’s Question Time is about to begin. We’ll be tweeting from the chamber through the Coffee House Twitter account:

11:45: Although the announcement from Osborne is 45 minutes away, ‘global race’ is already emerging as the key message from this year’s statement. Isabel blogged earlier on a leaked document intended for Tory ministers with the following lines to follow:

‘Today the Chancellor and Chief Secretary have told Cabinet that they will announce at the Autumn Statement over £5 billion of capital investment to invest in the economy and equip Britain for the global race.

They also informed Cabinet this will be achieved within the Government’s fiscal plans and, in part, be funded by some Government Department’s resource budgets being reduced by 1 per cent in 2013-14 and 2 per cent (£2.5 billion) in 2014-15. Health and Schools remain protected from these reductions.

Funds will be channelled into transport, skills and science. This capital investment will also allow the expansion of existing good schools and the construction of up to 100 new Academies and Free Schools.

The switch at this Autumn Statement follows a similar switch of £5 billion at the last Autumn Statement and an additional £2 billion a year of capital spending announced in the Spending Review.

This means that capital investment as a percentage of GDP in this Parliament will be higher than the average of the Parliaments under Labour.’

Isabel also reports that at the ‘global race’ message was handed out to the lobby:

I’ve just come back from the morning lobby briefing, where we were told that Cabinet met for an hour this morning for the Chancellor to brief his colleagues on the Autumn Statement. Apparently, there was no banging of desks at the end, which is hardly a surprise. Osborne told ministers at the meeting that ‘Britain is on the right track and that we are dealing with our deficit and our debt in a fair way. That means everyone must make a contribution, and that we are equipping Britain to succeed in the global race.’

11:30: Welcome to Coffee House’s live blog for George Osborne’s 2012 Autumn statement. Sebastian Payne and Jonathan Jones will be reporting on the Chancellor’s key announcements as he delivers his speech, while James Forsyth, Isabel Hardman, David Blackburn and Fraser Nelson will be filing live reaction. The schedule for today is roughly as follows:

  • 12:00: Prime Minister’s Question Time with David Cameron
  • 12:30: George Osborne will deliver his autumn statement
  • 13:25: Ed Balls will respond to Osborne’s statement

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  • Compassionate Conservative.

    Good to see the proposed rise in fuel duty is scrapped. Any increase would have fuelled inflationary pressure. Corporation tax cut is also a worthwhile measure – however, it will be interesting to see if this has any impact on unemployment. Too often we have heard the cry that by assisting companies by reducing government imposed costs will stimulate employment to find this has been a ‘furphy’ with no appreciable rise in job creation. Income tax threshold should be raised with every Budget until the economy shows definite signs of improvement. All in all, not a bad effort, Mr. Osborne but I fear Labour will return to Government at the next election given their current popularity (people have such short memories) so what you propose may not last too long once they get their hands on the nation’s finances. I also predict longer queues at Australia House.

  • JamesG

    Can you do a graph showing Osborne’s actual spending tracked against Darling’s plan pre-May2010?

  • FirstPassThePostStinks

    No mention, then, about the British Bullshit Corporation of right on Propaganda poll tax licence fee. Stop the poll Tax now. Disband the BBC. Pay no poll tax now.

  • David Lindsay

    The real economic story today is that borrowing is up far beyond the projections of Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband and Ed Balls. We are up to eight years, and counting, when it comes to doing anything at all about this.

    There was no recession on the day of the 2010 General Election. It was over. That is a fact. Yet look at this country now.

  • Silverghost

    It’s only taken two and a half years, but finally little George has worked out that it is more efficient to clamp down on waste and ditch the overpaid public sector tossers who spend all day talking about work instead of doing any, and find the savings there rather than cancelling capital projects. And that PFI contracts were poorly negotiated.
    One other thing I have noticed with the page going back to the top every 30 seconds – does that Eastern Airways stewardess have a bladder problem?

  • tomdaylight

    The auto-refresh thing is a bit of a nightmare. I’m halfway through reading any given paragraph then BAM! It’s gone. Could use improvement.

  • HooksLaw

    ‘UK may go two decades without ever balancing its books’ – whats new or clever about pointing that out?
    Brown bequeathed a year on year deficit of 150 billion and an economy 7% smaller than in 2007.

    I’ll stop now as your page refresh makes reading an impossibility.

  • WIlliam Blakes Ghost

    how the hell are you supposed to watch the imbedded video or post anythingwhen every few minutes the page automatically refreshes. What techno idiot designed this page?

  • WIlliam Blakes Ghost

    Isabel writes in that the Liberal Democrats are already claiming victory over the personal tax allowance increase:

    Well they can claim what they like but it sounds to me that Osborne is now trying to compete with UKIPs pledge (which they first made in 2006 long before the Libdems even dreamt of doing it). Not only that but like UKIP’s pledge Osborne now seems to be going beyond the Libdems paltry £10k ceiling and coming closer to the UKIP proposal (over £11k).

    • Davey12

      The Tax Threshold should be set at the average wage. Setting it at that level means no one below 23K will pay tax or NI. Also removes the poor pay more tax than the rich argument. You can tell people to get a job as working will pay. The tax system has been so badly distorted by the left that it is now a joke.

      Sounds like UKIP have a good tax policy.

  • FirstPassThePostStinks

    Britain will end up a country full of slaves, their economic worthlessness equal to some Tunisian peasant.

  • HooksLaw

    By all means let the libdems claim credit for the tax allowance rise. But please let them claim responsibility for the tax rises that are needed to pay for it.

  • dalai guevara

    The key point of the autumn statement:

    1- Working-age benefits: 1%, whilst transport cost rise 3% abouve inflation. Social mobility will surely take a hit. score: —

    2- Corporation tax cut: good news for SME which compete with big multi-nationals. score: +

    3- Income tax threshold. way below inflation, see 1. score: —

    4- Fuel duty: just abolish the time table, will you? score: +

    5- Tax-free allowance: pension investments will see a capital flight into other forms of investment, but nonetheless good news in the sense that it reduces (not eliminates) the one-sided benefit for those on higher tax rates and has the potential to reduce the unquantifiable levels of profiteering of the investment industry. score: +

    6- Whitehall cuts: without details it is hard to comment on the sensibilty of this proposal. Will HMRC return to the size it was, or remain the same? score: undecided

  • HooksLaw

    ‘Osborne’s budget is the opposite to Brown’s: it looks better on closer inspection’… what the March budget? That one that everybody lied about afterwards?

  • Davey12

    Tax Thresholds raise them and keep raising them, make it pay to work.

    Sadly Dave and his mates are not Tories all they do is keep talking about the rich. At the bottom I am seeing many people who are seriously feeling the pinch. No wage increases or even cuts and rising prices.

    Cut all employer taxes. Make it cheap as chips to employ someone.

    Slash benefits, role out the DLA medical checks, with a 30% no show that means you can cut DLA by 30% with out doing anything other than posting a letter.

    Still voting UKIP, I mean windmills in Africa.

    • HooksLaw

      You miserable xenophobe. ‘Stop the world I want to get off’

      The ‘windmills’ are a LibDem policy. Its cost is 100 million over 3 years.

      G7 countries have signed up to increase their climate aid 10-fold to
      around £60 billion per year by 2020

      • Archimedes

        Xenophobe? Do expand on that…

      • davey12

        Windmills, coalition policy.

        60 billion, 2020. Do what the other memebers do, forget about it.

        Cameron and Hague should have let Brown and Clegg form a coalition. It would have failed by now as no one can work with Brown. That would mean the first cuts being done by a LabourLiberal coalition. It would have mean lots of hatred for Labour and the LibDems. Instead Cameron and Hague wanted the trappings of power.

        Still voting UKIP.

        Cameron will not want xenophobes voting for him him.

  • HooksLaw

    ‘Instead of going up with inflation (2.2 per cent) working-age benefits will only rise by 1 per cent.’ – is Fraser deaf?

    • Davey12

      Learn to read. Faster than earnings.

      • HooksLaw

        BBC says earnings rising by 1.4% last year.. ‘working-age benefits will only rise by 1 per cent.’

  • Archimedes

    On credibility it was good. Admitting the failure on his second rule, and moving NR onto the public accounts was a good move.

  • HooksLaw

    ‘We have not argued we should chase down a cyclical or temporary
    deterioration in the economy, particularly one which our own independent
    body says is largely driven by problems abroad.’
    In other words the cyclical deficit is still with us. Its the cyclical deficit that growth will remove and eventually start to pay back debt. It will take 20 years of surpluses to remove the debt Brown bequeathed us. Does the nation have the stomach for that?

  • telemachus

    Folks save yourselves for 1.35pm

    • Colonel Mustard

      Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth, reaction from political pundits to complete Balls:-

      “Ed Balls fluffs autumn statement”

      “Ed Balls struggling”

      “Balls repeatedly stumbling over still-falling deficit sounds like he cant actually believe it. Whole line of attack was re-rise of deficit”

      “Ed Balls is finding this tough going – and he appears more shaken than usual”

      “Not Ed Balls finest performance so far.”

      “Balls is normally bravura on these occasions but this is very flat”

      Andrew Neil: “Ed Balls taking 20mins to reply to George Osborne’s 15 minute statement”

      Yep, worth saving ourselves for. Best laugh of the week.

      • RealTory

        What an omnishamballs