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Why Tory MPs are reading Le Monde this morning

22 November 2012

12:28 PM

22 November 2012

12:28 PM

I’m told that we won’t get any indication of whether there’s a new EU budget proposal that will be able to command support until later this evening. Herman Van Rompuy is holding bilateral with all 27 EU leaders today and only after that will it be clear if the contours of a deal are in place. For his part, David Cameron intends to see — among other countries — the Swedes and the Dutch, who Downing Street regard as Britain’s most reliable allies in this budget negotiation.

One thing that is helping Cameron with Tory MPs is the Le Monde front-page declaring ‘Europe is Britain’s hostage’. It is reassuring them that Cameron is actually taking a proper negotiating position. But if there is deal, it needs to be, at least, a freeze in the Budget. Anything else would be very hard for Cameron to sell to his own side.


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  • Vulture

    Just so long as he doesn’t fly into Heathrow, adjusting his wing collar, fluttering a piece of paper in front of the mikes and begin : ‘Last night I had another talk with the German Chancellor Herr Hitler, ahem, sorry, Frau Merkel…..’

  • paulus

    We need to sink the french air craft carrier Charles de Gaulle, and say it was a mistake.
    The french never think we are serious unless we sink their boats, remember Oran.

    The rest of them are not worth are not worth a hill of beans, plus if the EU has kept the peace for fifty years we would have demolished that argument. Thats how you negotiate.

  • EJ

    Meanwhile those of us who live in the real world are sick to death of the lies, the spin, the sheer gymnastic contortions that go into lying to us and ensuring that the trough-snufflers who govern us can avoid doing what we, the people, want them to.

    What we’ll be told: our great Euro-sceptic leader has pulled off a clever, best of all worlds deal. No need for a referendum. Nothing to see here. Shuffle along.

    The reality: our Europhile Trojan Horse leader has caved in so let’s summon up the deceitful shyster spin machine to tell the plebs whatever they need to hear to shut them up. More champagne, anyone?

    • HooksLaw

      Real world? Don’t make me laugh. You are about as connected to the real world as the Mad Hatter.

      • EJ

        Clever boy. Go ahead and play to the gallery. You won’t change my opinions. Which seem to have a lot more support on here than yours.

    • telemachus

      So EJ what do you want?
      Your croaking bulleyed frog has no sway in the European or British corridors of power
      Why not support the efforts of Cameron on your behalf.

      • EJ

        I make it very clear what I want in every post I make on here.

        I don’t share your opinions and I certainly don’t like Ed Balls, but I don’t stoop to calling him names based on the way he looks.
        I gave Cameron my support and he has let me down on every single issue I care about as a conservative.

        • telemachus

          A very measured response and I apologise.
          However I am not surprised that people feel let down by Cameron.
          He is not a representative Tory leader such as David Davis might be . He is a patrician who feels it is his divine right to rule.
          I some ways it is similar to the Blair leadership of New Labour which worked while the economy was good and was tolerated until he became beguiled by the American Right.
          That led us to an administration with true soul which was truly Eurosceptic(and indeed had previously saved us frm the Euro under Blair)
          We will have the opportunity to vote in people in whom we believe in 2015

  • dalai guevara

    It’s about time to get a more balanced view on what is internationally thought with respect to Britain’s continued position of isolation. It baffles me that whilst attempting to get a hard grip on the cash expended, not many actually have bothered to find out for themselves…what is IN the budget.

    • HooksLaw

      The budget is not particularly large when compared to Euro GDP. But that is not the point. The EU should do more with less like all of us. it can undoubtedly make savings without materially affecting outcomes.

      • dalai guevara

        have you seen what Jacques Delors has got to say on project syndicate? I am certain he would make some of the Speccie readers’ blood boil.

        • the viceroy’s gin

          Maybe they’ve been too busy with windmills, power engineering and flyspecking the CoE’s theology, things they’re spectacularly unqualified to do, on the whole.

          • dalai guevara

            yawn

            • the viceroy’s gin

              On the other hand, it’s not at all unusual for the unqualified to delve into such matters, so why should British politicians be deprived?

              • dalai guevara

                You keep talking about qualifications. Don’t you pay taxes to assume that I am not?

                Dubya groupie
                Nuclear door salesman
                Spiritually challenged
                Not paying taxes.

                What would you know that we need to hear?

                • the viceroy’s gin

                  I mean, afterall, the Westminster dweebs have every bit as much a right to blow off and rant stupidly as anybody else, don’t they?

        • Rhoda Klapp

          We fought delors, and Delors won.

  • Jebediah

    Odd isn’t it? Most Britons think we’re Europe’s hostage. Time to vote on whether we stay in this club. If we’re lucky they’ll kick us out.

    • Robert_Eve

      If we’re very lucky it will be sooner rather than later.

      • HooksLaw

        One day if we are lucky we will realise that even out of the EU will still mean abiding by all its single market rules and paying into its restructuring funds.
        the EU is going to negotiate a closer union for its Eurozone members and we then will have to renegotiate our relationship anyway.

        • Noa

          Only to the extent that we trade with it, so that compliance then becomes a specific private sector cost of doing EU business rather than universally imposed Directive and impost.

          As to renegotiation, that’s what the useless bunch in the FCO are paid to do anyway.

          • telemachus

            So what is your solution
            The CBI president earlier this week eloquently said why we should fully re-engage
            Cum 2015 the issue will get back to growth and the eurosceptic right look foolish

            • Noa

              Precisely my point Comrade.

              As a lobbyist he’s simply objecting to the abolition of the current UK taxpayer subsidy that then becomes an extra business cost, to be added into the price, in exporting to the EU.

    • dalai guevara

      You quite rightly point to the fact that it is for the majority in the club to decide whether Scotland should leave the club. Or has that argument disappeared at the drop of a hat?

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